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Violence towards tiny things [message #23607]

Sa, 30 April 2005 18:09

klaatu42

I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that HHG
has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
whatever-it-was in one of the books). These are clearly results of
Hangnail and Thong's influence. Was it really necessary to make the
crabs extremely cute, and then crush them? Was it necessary to then
show the crushed crab's body falling to pieces off of the pod when it
took off later? How about crushing the mice? Sure, they were going to
cut his head open, but crushing mice with a teapot is just not
something I like to see...

I don't think I'm a big softy, but I didn't find these scenes had any
purpose other than to make you uncomfortable. The people around me in
the theatre seemed to feel the same way.

BTW, did anybody else bring 3D glasses? I did, but it didn't really
work... plus I took them off really fast so that I didn't look like a
dork.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23610 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 18:45

Fat Sam

klaatu42 wrote:
> I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that HHG
> has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
> whatever-it-was in one of the books).

How about the death of the Sperm Whale, a few minutes after it was
called into existence, several miles above the surface of the planet
Magrathea?

Or if you don't regard it's death as disturbing, how about the mass
murder of every single living creature on the Planet Earth right at the
start?....

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23611 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 18:48

dkotschess

klaatu42 wrote:
> I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that
HHG
> has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
> whatever-it-was in one of the books). These are clearly results of
> Hangnail and Thong's influence. Was it really necessary to make the
> crabs extremely cute, and then crush them? Was it necessary to then
> show the crushed crab's body falling to pieces off of the pod when it
> took off later? How about crushing the mice? Sure, they were going
to
> cut his head open, but crushing mice with a teapot is just not
> something I like to see...
>
> I don't think I'm a big softy, but I didn't find these scenes had any
> purpose other than to make you uncomfortable. The people around me
in
> the theatre seemed to feel the same way.

I am a big softy and I didn't like those scenes at all.

> BTW, did anybody else bring 3D glasses? I did, but it didn't really
> work... plus I took them off really fast so that I didn't look like a
> dork.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23612 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 18:53

dkotschess

Fat Sam wrote:
> klaatu42 wrote:
> > I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that
HHG
> > has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
> > whatever-it-was in one of the books).
>
> How about the death of the Sperm Whale, a few minutes after it was
> called into existence, several miles above the surface of the planet
> Magrathea?

Illustration of the bizarre effects of infinite improbability drive.

> Or if you don't regard it's death as disturbing, how about the mass
> murder of every single living creature on the Planet Earth right at
the
> start?....

pfft. Not cute, certainly not innocent. Who gives a shit about human
beings? ;-)

>
> --
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> for photographic restorations

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23615 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 19:23

Fat Sam

dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Fat Sam wrote:
>
>>klaatu42 wrote:
>>
>>>I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that
>
> HHG
>
>>>has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
>>>whatever-it-was in one of the books).
>>
>>How about the death of the Sperm Whale, a few minutes after it was
>>called into existence, several miles above the surface of the planet
>>Magrathea?
>
>
> Illustration of the bizarre effects of infinite improbability drive.
>
>
>>Or if you don't regard it's death as disturbing, how about the mass
>>murder of every single living creature on the Planet Earth right at
>
> the
>
>>start?....
>
>
> pfft. Not cute, certainly not innocent. Who gives a shit about human
> beings? ;-)

Okay, point taken there, but what about all the millions of other
creatures which inhabit the planet?....Many of them small, cute and
cuddly....

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23619 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 20:12

dkotschess

Fat Sam wrote:

> Okay, point taken there, but what about all the millions of other
> creatures which inhabit the planet?....Many of them small, cute and
> cuddly....

Sam,

Bless you for being so incredibly rational. You are of course totally
right.

.....BUT.... I think we are talking more about the sort of cinematic
emphasis which played on very specific emotions. I mean the camera was
pointing specifically towards a cute little creature, hopping about,
saying "weee! weee! heehee!!" and making cute little noises and
generally acting totally adorable and making you (ok, me) think "awww,
what a cute wittle thing" and winning over your (my) easily gained
affection. And as soon at his has done this within that 15 second
window of time, and you are completely smitten, and can't wait to see
what other adorable adventures it is going to get into now, it gets
smooshed for no good reason.

Think about Arthur's contemplation of his situation... The destruction
of the entire Earth... He couldn't get emotional about it. It's too
big. Cinematically it doesn't do much for us. We LOVE watching the
earth get blown up, hit by comets (two movies devoted to this),
flooded, destroyed by massively bad weather on a large scale, etc.
When hollywood makes a movie where something terrible happens to the
planet, we're THERE. But it inspires awe rather than sympathy.

So, in short. Blowing up planets and all it's inhabitants - cool.
killing tiny little creatures - Not cool - distrubing and distasteful
to say the least.

Anyway, stay rational Sam, you're probably better off than most of
us...

>
>
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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23625 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 21:05

Kaare Fiedler Christi

dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Fat Sam wrote:
>
>>klaatu42 wrote:
>>
>>>I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that
>
> HHG
>
>>>has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
>>>whatever-it-was in one of the books).
>>
>>How about the death of the Sperm Whale, a few minutes after it was
>>called into existence, several miles above the surface of the planet
>>Magrathea?
>
>
> Illustration of the bizarre effects of infinite improbability drive.

Actually, this was Douglas Adams having a go at the tendency to
introduce characters with the sole purpose to kill them off immediately,
which was dominant in some TV series at the time.

He would make a character to be killed off, and bloody well make people
_care_ about it. He made it a whale.

He was then bombarded with mail about cruelty to animals, which he found
funny, because he was sure he would have received no mail had the Sperm
Whale been human instead.

I forget the source of this information, maybe someone can step in?

My guess would be either DNA [at] BBC, Don't Panic, The Guide to the Guide,
or The Salmon of Doubt. Or possibly the 25th anniversary show.

Best
Kåre

Best
Kåre

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23628 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 21:12

Kaare Fiedler Christi

Kaare Fiedler Christiansen wrote:

<snip>

> Best
> Kåre
>
> Best
> Kåre

Oh, eh, oops.

I guess the will make it my second best?

Best
Kåre

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23632 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 21:40

Fat Sam

dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Fat Sam wrote:
>
>
>>Okay, point taken there, but what about all the millions of other
>>creatures which inhabit the planet?....Many of them small, cute and
>>cuddly....
>
>
> Sam,
>
> Bless you for being so incredibly rational. You are of course totally
> right.

Indeed, as are you (absolutely right that is)....I was trying
(unsuccessfully) to be humourous....However, my efforts turned out
looking more like pedantism than humour....

To be honest, I can't even remember what the main thrust of my humour
was now....

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23633 ]

Sa, 30 April 2005 21:55

dkotschess

Fat Sam wrote:
> dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > Fat Sam wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Okay, point taken there, but what about all the millions of other
> >>creatures which inhabit the planet?....Many of them small, cute and
> >>cuddly....
> >
> >
> > Sam,
> >
> > Bless you for being so incredibly rational. You are of course
totally
> > right.
>
> Indeed, as are you (absolutely right that is)....I was trying
> (unsuccessfully) to be humourous....However, my efforts turned out
> looking more like pedantism than humour....

> To be honest, I can't even remember what the main thrust of my humour

> was now....

Well you know it's entirely possible that I went and ruined it by
accusing you of being rational. I bet that's considered rude on some
planets.

> --
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> for photographic restorations

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23644 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 01:05

Pink Freud

<dkotschess [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114884731.668686.289040 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Fat Sam wrote:
>
>> Okay, point taken there, but what about all the millions of other
>> creatures which inhabit the planet?....Many of them small, cute and
>> cuddly....
>
> Sam,
>
> Bless you for being so incredibly rational. You are of course totally
> right.
>
> ....BUT.... I think we are talking more about the sort of cinematic
> emphasis which played on very specific emotions. I mean the camera was
> pointing specifically towards a cute little creature, hopping about,
> saying "weee! weee! heehee!!" and making cute little noises and
> generally acting totally adorable and making you (ok, me) think "awww,
> what a cute wittle thing" and winning over your (my) easily gained
> affection. And as soon at his has done this within that 15 second
> window of time, and you are completely smitten, and can't wait to see
> what other adorable adventures it is going to get into now, it gets
> smooshed for no good reason.
>

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I haven't yet seen the movie (but I will, I will!).... and I have to say I
am already looking forward to this bit!

Sorry ;O)

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23651 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 01:46

Forrest

dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Blowing up planets and all it's inhabitants - cool.

Some parts of my brain have no sense of humor. A few mornings ago one
of them woke the rest of me up with the news that blowing up the Earth
is a *terrible* thing. The consensus was "Well, yes, but...um..."

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23653 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 01:49

pris200

klaatu42 wrote:
> I don't think I'm a big softy, but I didn't find these scenes had any
> purpose other than to make you uncomfortable. The people around me
in
> the theatre seemed to feel the same way.
>

You should have been in our cinema. We all laughed.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23683 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 13:14

Kaare Fiedler Christi

Forrest wrote:
> dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Blowing up planets and all it's inhabitants - cool.
>
>
> Some parts of my brain have no sense of humor. A few mornings ago one
> of them woke the rest of me up with the news that blowing up the Earth
> is a *terrible* thing. The consensus was "Well, yes, but...um..."

"...but there are some things you have to do, even if you are an
enlightened liberal cop who knows all about sensitivity and everything"

Best
Kåre

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23687 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 13:39

John Coxon

In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Kaare Fiedler Christiansen's
voice said the following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with
distortion levels so low as to make a man weep:

> I forget the source of this information, maybe someone can step in?
>
> My guess would be either DNA [at] BBC, Don't Panic, The Guide to the Guide,
> or The Salmon of Doubt. Or possibly the 25th anniversary show.

25th Anniversary Scripts. He goes on to talk about Starsky and Hutch being
the inspiration for Shooty and Bang-Bang in the notes for a later episode.

--
John Coxon

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then
used against you.

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23688 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 13:45

John Coxon

In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Alice Clar's voice said the
following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with distortion levels so
low as to make a man weep:

> klaatu42 wrote:
>
>>I don't think I'm a big softy, but I didn't find these scenes had any
>>purpose other than to make you uncomfortable. The people around me
>>in the theatre seemed to feel the same way.
>
> You should have been in our cinema. We all laughed.

I laughed, I thought it was great!

--
John Coxon

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then
used against you.

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Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23694 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 13:54

John Coxon

In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Kaare Fiedler Christiansen's
voice said the following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with
distortion levels so low as to make a man weep:

> Forrest wrote:
>
>> dkotschess [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Blowing up planets and all it's inhabitants - cool.
>>
>> Some parts of my brain have no sense of humor. A few mornings ago one
>> of them woke the rest of me up with the news that blowing up the Earth
>> is a *terrible* thing. The consensus was "Well, yes, but...um..."
>
> "...but there are some things you have to do, even if you are an
> enlightened liberal cop who knows all about sensitivity and everything"

Yeah, that's true!

--
John Coxon

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then
used against you.

Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
ZZ9 - the official HHGG appreciation society: http://www.zz9.org/

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23723 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 16:31

afda

On 30 Apr 2005 09:09:19 -0700, "klaatu42" <lists [at] andrewgrantham.com>
wrote:

>I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that HHG
>has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
>whatever-it-was in one of the books). These are clearly results of
>Hangnail and Thong's influence. Was it really necessary to make the
>crabs extremely cute, and then crush them?

From the book (chapter 5):

-->Meanwhile, the natural forces on the planet Vogsphere had been
-->working overtime to make up for their earlier blunder. They
-->brought forth scintillating jewelled scuttling crabs, which the
-->Vogons ate, smashing their shells with iron mallets; tall
-->aspiring trees with breathtaking slenderness and colour which the
-->Vogons cut down and burned the crab meat with; elegant gazelle-
-->like creatures with silken coats and dewy eyes which the Vogons
-->would catch and sit on. They were no use as transport because
-->their backs would snap instantly, but the Vogons sat on them
-->anyway.

>Was it necessary to then
>show the crushed crab's body falling to pieces off of the pod when it
>took off later? How about crushing the mice? Sure, they were going to
>cut his head open, but crushing mice with a teapot is just not
>something I like to see...
>
>I don't think I'm a big softy, but I didn't find these scenes had any
>purpose other than to make you uncomfortable. The people around me in
>the theatre seemed to feel the same way.

I don't think you're a big softy. But for me, the initial crab
smashing on the Vogon ship was a "hey, that's from the book" moment.
The second crab smashing on Vogsphere raised a chuckle because of the
"hey, it's a cute crab, and [squish] I wasn't expecting that!". My
wife was giggling to herself just about the cute crab bounding its
happy way across Vogsphere, and she laughed at the surprise factor of
it being squished.

As to the mice, well the "Bollocks!" line brought a laugh, but I think
if I was in Arthur's place and was about to have my head seriously
drilled into by a couple of mice, then if I had the chance I'd exert
my bigger mass and put a Final Stop to things. The mice were a clear
and present danger.

>BTW, did anybody else bring 3D glasses? I did, but it didn't really
>work... plus I took them off really fast so that I didn't look like a
>dork.

I considered it, but couldn't find any in the short time I had spare
to look about.

Lloyd
--
"In fact, everything between 'herring' and 'marmalade'
appears to be missing" -- Svlad Cjelli

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23725 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 16:59

Gusty

Reason not withstanding the universe continued unabated and Lloyd
Gilbert spoke forth:

>>BTW, did anybody else bring 3D glasses? I did, but it didn't really
>>work... plus I took them off really fast so that I didn't look like a
>>dork.
>
>I considered it, but couldn't find any in the short time I had spare
>to look about.
>
You have to be sure you get the right ones. The firts time I saw it I
had polarised ones I nicked from Legoland but they didn't work. Second
time I had red/green ones from SpyKids 3D and they worked fine.
Simon looked great and the missles lept out at you!

--
D.

"The Sphynx of the Caverns is the deadliest of all.
It possesses the head of a snake,
the body of a snake
and the feet of a snake."

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23731 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 17:51

afda

On Sun, 1 May 2005 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC), Gusty
<gustywinds [at] btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Reason not withstanding the universe continued unabated and Lloyd
>Gilbert spoke forth:
>
>
>>>BTW, did anybody else bring 3D glasses? I did, but it didn't really
>>>work... plus I took them off really fast so that I didn't look like a
>>>dork.
>>
>>I considered it, but couldn't find any in the short time I had spare
>>to look about.
>>
>You have to be sure you get the right ones. The firts time I saw it I
>had polarised ones I nicked from Legoland but they didn't work. Second
>time I had red/green ones from SpyKids 3D and they worked fine.
>Simon looked great and the missles lept out at you!

The only 3D specs I've got are red/blue anyway, so I dunno whether
they'd work sufficiently for the red/green effect. They might.

Polarised ones aren't going to work unless you're at some swanky
cinema with two sychronised projectors each with a polarising filter
over the projection lenses.

Lloyd
--
"In fact, everything between 'herring' and 'marmalade'
appears to be missing" -- Svlad Cjelli

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23733 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 18:05

klaatu42

I brought red-blue glasses, which said Spy Kids on them...? Perhaps
there were two different versions of the Spy Kids 3D movie -- a
red/green and a red/blue. In any case, the red blue didn't work.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23734 ]

So, 01 Mai 2005 18:19

klaatu42

I instantly made the jeweled crab connection, as well as the crushed
gazelle statue the captain was sitting on, but I found that there's
quite a difference between establishing the character of a species by
its embarassing, cruel habits and actually showing a cute creature's
life taken and its guts splattered full-screen.

I thought the crabs were supposed to be magnificent and beautiful (not
necessarily cute), a testiment to the evolutionary forces of Vogsphere,
attempting to "make up for their previous blunder," No matter how much
it tried, it couldn't create anything its earlier mistake couldn't
pig-headedly destroy.

What made that concept funny to me is the progression it took, which
was that the Vogons would actually eat them, which although unpleasant,
is fair enough because it's a fact of life that animals eat other
animals. Then we hear of the gazelle-like creatures which the Vogons
would "catch and sit on". This sounds fairly acceptable as well until
you hear that they were no use as transport "as their backs would snap
instantly, but the Vogons sat on them anyway". This is the instant
that you realize that they are actually being big ugly jerks.

On screen, to the uninitiated, all of the meaning is missing, and it's
just a big ugly prick crushing a cute crab. No meaning behind it, and
no real point. Shouldn't they be eating Hagrol Biscuit or something
anyway?

Anyway, not to harp on about the crabs. Just bugged me a bit.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23775 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 00:05

Dave Adalian

"klaatu42" <lists [at] andrewgrantham.com> wrote in message
news:1114877359.630620.156670 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that HHG
> has NEVER had before

Adams wrote the sperm whale into the story just for the purpose of killing
it. He wanted something like that in, and he got the nasty letters he was
looking for out of it. The jeweled scuttling crabs are another little bit
thrown in for long-time fans that folks who don't get it can laugh at, too,
because doesn't everyone like to see cute, hyperkinetic, overly happy things
get smashed? I know I do.

Chiggy.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23789 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 01:48

treeleaf7

At my theater small children in the audience made sounds of displeasure
then the crab was smashed by the humphlump leader. The children were
really disturbed by the killing.

The whole audience kind of groaned when the happy happy crab went
"wheeee" then was smashed by the ships dooor.

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23790 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 01:48

treeleaf7

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23791 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 01:49

treeleaf7

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23792 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 02:06

Dave Adalian

Humphlump?

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23798 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 03:45

Frankymole

treeleaf7 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> At my theater small children in the audience made sounds of
> displeasure then the crab was smashed by the humphlump leader. The
> children were really disturbed by the killing.
>
> The whole audience kind of groaned when the happy happy crab went
> "wheeee" then was smashed by the ships dooor.

Heard ya the first time. And the second.
--
Frank
"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much
fraternizing with the enemy." - Henry Kissinger

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #23834 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 09:07

afda

On 1 May 2005 09:19:16 -0700, "klaatu42" <lists [at] andrewgrantham.com>
wrote:

<snip>

>On screen, to the uninitiated, all of the meaning is missing, and it's
>just a big ugly prick crushing a cute crab. No meaning behind it, and
>no real point. Shouldn't they be eating Hagrol Biscuit or something
>anyway?

Ah, I see.

>Anyway, not to harp on about the crabs. Just bugged me a bit.

Fair enough. Tea?

Lloyd
--
"In fact, everything between 'herring' and 'marmalade'
appears to be missing" -- Svlad Cjelli

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #26835 ]

Mo, 02 Mai 2005 18:19

nacey

Fat Sam wrote:

> klaatu42 wrote:
>
>> I found the movie had several disturbing sequences, something that HHG
>> has NEVER had before (except maybe when Arthur kills that
>> whatever-it-was in one of the books).
>
>
> How about the death of the Sperm Whale, a few minutes after it was
> called into existence, several miles above the surface of the planet
> Magrathea?
>
> Or if you don't regard it's death as disturbing, how about the mass
> murder of every single living creature on the Planet Earth right at the
> start?....

That was shown for the tragedy it was. It wasn't played for cheap
laughs. I sure as shite never laughed at the Earth being blown up in
any incarnation of the tale.

Nancy.

>

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #29267 ]

Mi, 04 Mai 2005 14:14

Peter

treeleaf7 [at] yahoo.com wrote in
news:1114991331.461349.151350 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> At my theater small children in the audience made sounds of
> displeasure then the crab was smashed by the humphlump leader.
> The children were really disturbed by the killing.
>
> The whole audience kind of groaned when the happy happy crab went
> "wheeee" then was smashed by the ships dooor.
>
Yes, well, I don't think hitchhiker's was written as a warm fluffy
kid's story that they'd dream happily about that night then forget. It
said a number of times that the universe was staggeringly unfair, being
a cute little thing that bounces around making strange noises doesn't
save you from random acts of door opening very much.

peter

Re: Violence towards tiny things [message #29406 ]

Do, 05 Mai 2005 22:54

John Coxon

In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, treeleaf7 [at] yahoo.com's voice said
the following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with distortion
levels so low as to make a man weep:

> At my theater small children in the audience made sounds of displeasure
> then the crab was smashed by the humphlump leader. The children were
> really disturbed by the killing.
>
> The whole audience kind of groaned when the happy happy crab went
> "wheeee" then was smashed by the ships dooor.

Ah, me and all my friends laughed at that bit.

--
John Coxon

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