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| Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303315] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 00:34 |
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http://www.moviehole.net/gossipmonkey/20060715_gossip_monkey _15706.html
Monkey's preview of "Casino Royale"
As for Bond. I've been fortunate to have seen some footage and the
stuff looks good. It ain't Bond in the sense we all know and er..
love? It's different . The one thing I will say though, or rather do,
is eat some of my words. I've said before that it wasn't going to
be much chop and that Daniel Craig isn't much of a Bond.... I'm
wrong. Well, kinda. The few scenes I was treated to were superb -
there's an awesome car chase that tops "Ronin" - and it looks
slick, but Craig still looks a little uneasy in the role. Maybe he just
needs a couple of sequels to ease into it, but he just looks a little
out of his depth. But, his presence, and the slight change of tone
(seems to be rooted more in reality) gives it a really different feel.
Generally, I think it's going to be a good movie.... But won't hit
one out of the park like, say, "Goldeneye" did.
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I was right all along. Craig is miscast. He hasn't got the arrogance of
Bond, nor the sexual confidence. This film will not be a big hit. 100
percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
MMS
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303316 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 00:47 |
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> This film will not be a big hit. 100
> percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
Dunno about that. Haven't they already shot the pre-credit sequence
(with Craig) for the next film?
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303318 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 01:36 |
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Simon Brown wrote:
> > This film will not be a big hit. 100
> > percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
>
> Dunno about that. Haven't they already shot the pre-credit sequence
> (with Craig) for the next film?
Seems unlikely because Sony doesn't know how much CR will take at the
box office. If it underperforms it will need retail DVD sales and CR's
DVD release date is May (I think). That would make an April Bond 22
shooting date impossible. Besides, no other Bond film started filming
while the previous one was still in production. It would seem
unprecedented.
MMS
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303319 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 01:45 |
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Moo Moo Sandwich wrote:
> http://www.moviehole.net/gossipmonkey/20060715_gossip_monkey _15706.html
>
> Monkey's preview of "Casino Royale"
> As for Bond. I've been fortunate to have seen some footage and the
> stuff looks good. It ain't Bond in the sense we all know and er..
> love? It's different . The one thing I will say though, or rather do,
> is eat some of my words. I've said before that it wasn't going to
> be much chop and that Daniel Craig isn't much of a Bond.... I'm
> wrong. Well, kinda. The few scenes I was treated to were superb -
> there's an awesome car chase that tops "Ronin" - and it looks
> slick, but Craig still looks a little uneasy in the role. Maybe he just
> needs a couple of sequels to ease into it, but he just looks a little
> out of his depth. But, his presence, and the slight change of tone
> (seems to be rooted more in reality) gives it a really different feel.
> Generally, I think it's going to be a good movie.... But won't hit
> one out of the park like, say, "Goldeneye" did.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------
>
> I was right all along. Craig is miscast. He hasn't got the arrogance of
> Bond, nor the sexual confidence. This film will not be a big hit. 100
> percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
>
> MMS
>
The man is only 38 I'm 59 and my eyes don't look nearly
as bad as his. I still say DC is wrong, wrong, and lastly, I'm not going
I'll wait for the DVD
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303320 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 01:56 |
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Moo Moo Sandwich wrote:
> Simon Brown wrote:
> > > This film will not be a big hit. 100
> > > percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
> >
> > Dunno about that. Haven't they already shot the pre-credit sequence
> > (with Craig) for the next film?
>
> Seems unlikely because Sony doesn't know how much CR will take at the
> box office. If it underperforms it will need retail DVD sales and CR's
> DVD release date is May (I think). That would make an April Bond 22
> shooting date impossible. Besides, no other Bond film started filming
> while the previous one was still in production. It would seem
> unprecedented.
--- Well, Craig is unprecedented. And starting over from the beginning
but with the same M is unprecedented. They're on an unprecedented kick
right now, so anything's possible with the shooting schedule the way
things have been going with CR so far.
>
> MMS
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303323 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 02:21 |
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WQ wrote:
> --- Well, Craig is unprecedented. And starting over from the
> beginning but with the same M is unprecedented. They're on an
> unprecedented kick right now, so anything's possible with the
> shooting schedule the way things have been going with CR so far.
The more I read, the more I am tempted to ask you if I could
please have a copy of the script....
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--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303327 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 02:32 |
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Mac wrote:
> The more I read, the more I am tempted to ask you if I could
> please have a copy of the script....
Mac! This is 'se7en' - you're Brad Pitt, I'm Morgan Freeman, and WQ is
Kevin Spacey.
He wants this! He wants you to do it!
Best
Phil
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303332 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 02:46 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Mac wrote:
>
>> The more I read, the more I am tempted to ask you if I could
>> please have a copy of the script....
>
> Mac! This is 'se7en' - you're Brad Pitt, I'm Morgan Freeman, and WQ
> is Kevin Spacey.
>
> He wants this! He wants you to do it!
You know, this is the first and probably LAST time in my life I'm ever
gonna be compared to Brad Pitt.
Sniff.
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--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303335 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 02:57 |
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> It would seem
> unprecedented.
Indeed. But they've never had the chance (and never will again) to have
the "007 in 007" marketing campaign.
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303337 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 03:05 |
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Simon Brown wrote:
>> It would seem
>> unprecedented.
>
> Indeed. But they've never had the chance (and never will again) to
> have the "007 in 007" marketing campaign.
I'm beginning to think that the plan all along was to have a Bond in 2007
and that there will *be* a Bond in 2007 and Daniel Craig will be in it.
If Bond 22 is designed to follow on exactly from where CASINO ROYALE
finishes, it only makes sense to shoot the pre-credit now - if that indeed
is the case. The film would have been budgeted accordingly and it
would be cheaper to shoot it now than re-build next year.
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--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303338 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 03:18 |
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Mac wrote:
> You know, this is the first and probably LAST time in my life I'm ever
> gonna be compared to Brad Pitt.
I get compared to Brad Pitt all the time, although never in a positive
sense.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303353 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 05:46 |
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Simon Brown wrote:
>>It would seem
>>unprecedented.
>
>
> Indeed. But they've never had the chance (and never will again) to have
> the "007 in 007" marketing campaign.
>
I can see the reviews now:
"Are they kidding", "Who the moron(s) who casted this guy". "How can
they do this to the fans", "Has Wilson taken leave of his senses"
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303354 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 05:48 |
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Mac wrote:
> Simon Brown wrote:
>
>
>>>It would seem
>>>unprecedented.
>>
>>Indeed. But they've never had the chance (and never will again) to
>>have the "007 in 007" marketing campaign.
>
>
> I'm beginning to think that the plan all along was to have a Bond in 2007
> and that there will *be* a Bond in 2007 and Daniel Craig will be in it.
> If Bond 22 is designed to follow on exactly from where CASINO ROYALE
> finishes, it only makes sense to shoot the pre-credit now - if that indeed
> is the case. The film would have been budgeted accordingly and it
> would be cheaper to shoot it now than re-build next year.
Under normal conditions I would be cheering from the rooftops having
a Bond film two years in a row for the first time since 1973-74.
MOORE so that next year is 2007, BUT with this guy, YAWN!
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303355 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 08:40 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Mac wrote:
>
> > The more I read, the more I am tempted to ask you if I could
> > please have a copy of the script....
>
> Mac! This is 'se7en' - you're Brad Pitt, I'm Morgan Freeman, and WQ is
> Kevin Spacey.
>
> He wants this! He wants you to do it!
--- Good one. I like that. Though I look nothing like Kevin Spacey.
Some say I look more like Jack "Heeere's Johnny!" Nicholson in The
Shining. But seriously, folk... Mac, if you really want all the CR
spoilers, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the script. Just make a
deal here: read the script, then read my review of it which I posted up
here sometime ago. Then we can really bash it around. You on? And
what about you, Phil?
>
> Best
>
> Phil
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303356 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 09:37 |
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On 17 Jul 2006 18:18:09 -0700, "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com"
<phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Mac wrote:
>
>> You know, this is the first and probably LAST time in my life I'm ever
>> gonna be compared to Brad Pitt.
>
>I get compared to Brad Pitt all the time, although never in a positive
>sense.
>
>Best
>
>Phil
Doesn't the surname usually have an "S" on the end when that happens?
;)
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303358 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 11:04 |
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Rhino wrote:
> On 17 Jul 2006 18:18:09 -0700, "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com"
> <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >Mac wrote:
> >
> >> You know, this is the first and probably LAST time in my life I'm ever
> >> gonna be compared to Brad Pitt.
> >
> >I get compared to Brad Pitt all the time, although never in a positive
> >sense.
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Phil
>
> Doesn't the surname usually have an "S" on the end when that happens?
> ;)
I'm no expert in film box office but I think it goes something like
this...
Films need to take two and half time their production and marketing
budget to break even. Any more revenue after that brings in profit.
Cinema chains tend to take about half of the total revenue earned and
the studio takes a big bulk of the first week's gross. This is what
I've read.
If Casino Royale fails to break even (that is, is unable to make back
its production and marketing cost on worldwide theatrical release) -
which is very common with big budget films - then it has to rely on DVD
sales. DVD sales can account for around 60% of extra revenue (although
I have read that piracy - such as internet downloads and East European
manufactured copies - has taken a significiant chunk out of that).
In theory, Casino Royale could make, say, $100 million from DVD sales
and be profitable. But Sony won't know that until the film is released
on DVD and that won't be until May of next year. In theory, Casino
Royale could underperform on DVD and not make a profit for Sony and
Eon. That would make starting Bond 22 in April of 2007 financially
untenable. It would prove Craig was not a big enough attraction to
justify his starring in a second Bond film. But this is all 'what if'.
Realistically, it makes sense to wait until all DVD sales can be
accounted for before making Bond 22. But I'm not an accountant nor do I
work for Sony or Eon, so they have to do what they think is for the
best.:)
MMS
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303360 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 12:10 |
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WQ wrote:
> phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
>> Mac wrote:
>>
>>> The more I read, the more I am tempted to ask you if I could
>>> please have a copy of the script....
>>
>> Mac! This is 'se7en' - you're Brad Pitt, I'm Morgan Freeman, and WQ
>> is Kevin Spacey.
>>
>> He wants this! He wants you to do it!
>
> --- Good one. I like that. Though I look nothing like Kevin Spacey.
> Some say I look more like Jack "Heeere's Johnny!" Nicholson in The
> Shining. But seriously, folk... Mac, if you really want all the CR
> spoilers, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the script. Just make a
> deal here: read the script, then read my review of it which I posted
> up here sometime ago. Then we can really bash it around. You on?
> And what about you, Phil?
*Send me a copy and I will think about it.
--
--Mac
* Brian Cox's superior Lektor (sic) in MANHUNTER
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303365 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 12:45 |
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In article <1153175694.784252.193840 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Moo
Moo Sandwich <booby [at] myself.com> writes
> http://www.moviehole.net/gossipmonkey/20060715_gossip_monkey _15706.html
>
>Monkey's preview of "Casino Royale"
>As for Bond. I've been fortunate to have seen some footage and the
>stuff looks good. It ain't Bond in the sense we all know and er..
>love? It's different . The one thing I will say though, or rather do,
>is eat some of my words. I've said before that it wasn't going to
>be much chop and that Daniel Craig isn't much of a Bond.... I'm
>wrong. Well, kinda. The few scenes I was treated to were superb -
>there's an awesome car chase that tops "Ronin" - and it looks
>slick, but Craig still looks a little uneasy in the role. Maybe he just
>needs a couple of sequels to ease into it, but he just looks a little
>out of his depth. But, his presence, and the slight change of tone
>(seems to be rooted more in reality) gives it a really different feel.
>Generally, I think it's going to be a good movie.... But won't hit
>one out of the park like, say, "Goldeneye" did.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------
>
>I was right all along. Craig is miscast. He hasn't got the arrogance of
>Bond, nor the sexual confidence. This film will not be a big hit. 100
>percent Craig will be replaced after CR.
>
As it's about how he becomes a 00, shouldn't he look a bit out of his
depth and uneasy anyway?
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Sean Black
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303366 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 12:48 |
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In article <1153213479.616041.80200 [at] i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Moo
Moo Sandwich <booby [at] myself.com> writes
>Rhino wrote:
>
>I'm no expert in film box office but I think it goes something like
>this...
>
>Films need to take two and half time their production and marketing
>budget to break even. Any more revenue after that brings in profit.
>Cinema chains tend to take about half of the total revenue earned and
>the studio takes a big bulk of the first week's gross. This is what
>I've read.
>
>If Casino Royale fails to break even (that is, is unable to make back
>its production and marketing cost on worldwide theatrical release) -
>which is very common with big budget films - then it has to rely on DVD
>sales. DVD sales can account for around 60% of extra revenue (although
>I have read that piracy - such as internet downloads and East European
>manufactured copies - has taken a significiant chunk out of that).
>
If you listen to the studios, they'll tell you that *every* pirated copy
is a lost sale, which is quite obviously complete bollocks :-)
--
Sean Black
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303367 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 12:53 |
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WQ wrote:
> But seriously, folk... Mac, if you really want all the CR
> spoilers, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the script. Just make a
> deal here: read the script, then read my review of it which I posted up
> here sometime ago. Then we can really bash it around. You on? And
> what about you, Phil?
Ah heck, why not? The movie will have been spoilered (sic) to death by
November, and it'll be interesting to compare this version to what
eventually appears on screen. Thanks for the offer.
Best
Phil
(*Nicolas Cage, pre-hair-transplant)
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303370 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 15:41 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> WQ wrote:
>
>> But seriously, folk... Mac, if you really want all the CR
>> spoilers, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the script. Just make
>> a deal here: read the script, then read my review of it which I
>> posted up here sometime ago. Then we can really bash it around.
>> You on? And what about you, Phil?
>
> Ah heck, why not? The movie will have been spoilered (sic) to death
> by November, and it'll be interesting to compare this version to what
> eventually appears on screen. Thanks for the offer.
Indeed. Just remove the spam block from my addy.
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--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303372 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 16:19 |
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VINCE wrote:
> Simon Brown wrote:
>
>>> It would seem
>>> unprecedented.
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed. But they've never had the chance (and never will again) to have
>> the "007 in 007" marketing campaign.
>>
>
>
> I can see the reviews now:
>
> "Are they kidding", "Who the moron(s) who casted this guy". "How can
> they do this to the fans", "Has Wilson taken leave of his senses"
>
Glad to see a Bond fan who's so open minded.
--
==007===
“My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
That's as bad as putting a secret agent in a gorilla suit.”
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303373 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 17:40 |
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VINCE wrote:
> The man is only 38 I'm 59 and my eyes don't look nearly
> as bad as his.
Yes, but perhaps your life has been sheltered compared to his life of
debauchery.
> I still say DC is wrong, wrong, and lastly, I'm not going
> I'll wait for the DVD
That is certainly your right.
However, back in the bad old days of Moore-onic Bonds, I still went to
see them. Ususally more than once. And I did not wear earmuffs,
although I distinctly recall wincing quite a bit.
I will be there for the first showing. This Bond is going to by
wonderful.
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303376 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 18:47 |
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Mark wrote:
> VINCE wrote:
>
>
>
>>The man is only 38 I'm 59 and my eyes don't look nearly
>>as bad as his.
>
>
> Yes, but perhaps your life has been sheltered compared to his life of
> debauchery.
>
>
>>I still say DC is wrong, wrong, and lastly, I'm not going
>>I'll wait for the DVD
>
>
> That is certainly your right.
>
> However, back in the bad old days of Moore-onic Bonds, I still went to
> see them. Ususally more than once. And I did not wear earmuffs,
> although I distinctly recall wincing quite a bit.
>
> I will be there for the first showing. This Bond is going to by
> wonderful.
>
I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
--
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303383 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 20:18 |
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Exactly, Sean. Moo Moo and WQ are basically idiots. If you read the
script he's not SUPPOSED to be at ease. He's never even seen himself in
a tux before! That's the POINT of the whole friggin' movie!!! Don't
worry about it.
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303397 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 21:48 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:59 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
wrote:
>I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
>he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
>True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
>DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
Frankly. I don't really you're the demographic they're aiming for.
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303399 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 22:00 |
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Rhino wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:59 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
>>he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
>>True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
>>DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
>
>
> Frankly. I don't really you're the demographic they're aiming for.
You mean you don't really think etc?!
Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
HANDSOME. To put it in your own words Joe Smo or whoever never read
Fleming or Gardner or Benson, they only know actors like Sean, Roger,
Pierce etc in the role of James Bond 007 period. Case in point
many folks I know never read a 007 novel and yet love the films and
expect Bond to look a certain way.
--
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303402 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 22:26 |
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VINCE wrote:
> Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
> If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
> Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
> HANDSOME.
That's your opinion that Craig is ugly. Not everyone shares it or
is shallow enough to let it colour their judgement.
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--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303406 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 22:45 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:00:01 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
wrote:
>Rhino wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:59 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
>>>he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
>>>True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
>>>DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
>>
>>
>> Frankly. I don't really you're the demographic they're aiming for.
>
>You mean you don't really think etc?!
Whatever.
>Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
>If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
>Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
>HANDSOME. To put it in your own words Joe Smo or whoever never read
>Fleming or Gardner or Benson, they only know actors like Sean, Roger,
>Pierce etc in the role of James Bond 007 period. Case in point
>many folks I know never read a 007 novel and yet love the films and
>expect Bond to look a certain way.
I meant you. That you don't think he's handsome will not alter the
fact that millions will see the film.
(And it wasn't me who posted the Joe Smo comment.)
Bond films sell whether the hardcore fans go see them or not. It's not
those of us on this forum who dictate what type of film we get to see
(although I admit it would be nice to have that power). It'll be the
late teens and the 20-somethings who'll see the trailer during
Superman Returns and such that'll think, "Oh, the guy from Layer Cake.
Could be cool."
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303408 ] |
Di, 18 Juli 2006 23:05 |
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Rhino wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:00:01 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
> wrote:
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> >Rhino wrote:
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> >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:59 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
> >>>he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
> >>>True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
> >>>DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
> >>
> >>
> >> Frankly. I don't really you're the demographic they're aiming for.
> >
> >You mean you don't really think etc?!
>
> Whatever.
>
> >Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
> >If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
> >Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
> >HANDSOME. To put it in your own words Joe Smo or whoever never read
> >Fleming or Gardner or Benson, they only know actors like Sean, Roger,
> >Pierce etc in the role of James Bond 007 period. Case in point
> >many folks I know never read a 007 novel and yet love the films and
> >expect Bond to look a certain way.
>
> I meant you. That you don't think he's handsome will not alter the
> fact that millions will see the film.
>
> (And it wasn't me who posted the Joe Smo comment.)
>
> Bond films sell whether the hardcore fans go see them or not. It's not
> those of us on this forum who dictate what type of film we get to see
> (although I admit it would be nice to have that power). It'll be the
> late teens and the 20-somethings who'll see the trailer during
> Superman Returns and such that'll think, "Oh, the guy from Layer Cake.
> Could be cool."
--- Yeah, that's a great big audience right there for Craig as Bond.
Layer Cake took in only $11 million worldwide in its release. That
adds up to how many people? At an average ticket price of $5 [and I'm
being purposely low with that], that amounts to only 22,000 theater
goers who have seen the movie, with, let's say, two-thirds of that
being teens and 20somethings. So, about 14,000 teens and 20somethings
watching the CR trailer during Superman Returns, if those same 14,000
end up seeing Superman Returns at all, will think "Oh, the guy from
Layer Cake. Could be cool." Yep, that's boffo box office for CR right
there, alright.
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303416 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 00:11 |
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"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:4i4uh1F25cfkU1 [at] individual.net...
> VINCE wrote:
>
>> Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
>> If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
>> Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
>> HANDSOME.
>
> That's your opinion that Craig is ugly. Not everyone shares it or
> is shallow enough to let it colour their judgement.
Although... I will admit to being that shallow when it comes to women...
;)
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that men are visually stimulated..."
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303417 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 00:16 |
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"Rhino" <rh1n0 [at] %blueyonder%.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3rhqb21kc6tn5v0qugb33au2r7bfn4e1qv [at] 4ax.com...
> Bond films sell whether the hardcore fans go see them or not. It's not
> those of us on this forum who dictate what type of film we get to see
> (although I admit it would be nice to have that power). It'll be the
> late teens and the 20-somethings who'll see the trailer during
> Superman Returns and such that'll think, "Oh, the guy from Layer Cake.
> Could be cool."
Saw SR and no Bond trailer. Big disappointment.
Then the film was a disappointment as well. Shoulda stayed home and rented
"The Bird with the Crystal Plumage."
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that he wished his foresight as sharp as his hindsight ..."
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303424 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 01:25 |
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Tom Zielinski wrote:
> Then the film was a disappointment as well. Shoulda stayed home and
> rented "The Bird with the Crystal Plumage."
Indeed. Rent Argento's other titles too, including PROFUNDO ROSSO (DEEP
RED).
--
--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303427 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 01:43 |
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Mac wrote:
> > Then the film was a disappointment as well. Shoulda stayed home and
> > rented "The Bird with the Crystal Plumage."
>
> Indeed. Rent Argento's other titles too, including PROFUNDO ROSSO (DEEP
> RED).
Both superb. I haven't seen the former for a long while, but often
thought a key element of 'Profondo Rosso' - what did the protagonist
*really* see? - was much misinterpreted by some critics as a tribute to
or rip-off of 'Blow Up', when Argento had dealt with the idea superbly
in 'L'Uccello Dalle Piume Di Cristallo', a film which to me seemed to
have nothing in common with 'Blow Up' at all. I suspect David
Hemmings' presence in 'Profondo Rosso' was the only real reason people
drew this comparison.
'Profondo Rosso' contains one of those painful art / life ironies which
crop up in films from time to time, in the scene where Hemmings takes
Gabriele Lavia to task for his excessive drinking.
Best
Phil
"This young Italian guy is starting to worry me" - quote attributed to
Hitchcock after having seen 'Profondo Rosso'
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303429 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 01:50 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> "This young Italian guy is starting to worry me" - quote attributed to
> Hitchcock after having seen 'Profondo Rosso'
It's a pity Argento's TI PIACE HITCHCOCK? is being seen largely as
another disappointment. Fingers crossed for the final instalment in
the "Three Mothers" trilogy.
--
--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303431 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 02:04 |
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Mac wrote:
> It's a pity Argento's TI PIACE HITCHCOCK? is being seen largely as
> another disappointment. Fingers crossed for the final instalment in
> the "Three Mothers" trilogy.
I have this feeling that Argento has become a bit like John Carpenter
or George Romero - despite their immense early talent and influence
they didn't quite break through, and their later films have become of
serious interest only to aficionados who sift through a lot of
unsatisfactory material in order to find the few moments which remind
them of the glory days.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303433 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 02:55 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Mac wrote:
>
>> It's a pity Argento's TI PIACE HITCHCOCK? is being seen largely as
>> another disappointment. Fingers crossed for the final instalment in
>> the "Three Mothers" trilogy.
>
> I have this feeling that Argento has become a bit like John Carpenter
> or George Romero - despite their immense early talent and influence
> they didn't quite break through, and their later films have become of
> serious interest only to aficionados who sift through a lot of
> unsatisfactory material in order to find the few moments which remind
> them of the glory days.
Walter Hill, John Frankenheimer, William Friedkin et al. They're not alone.
--
--Mac
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303435 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 03:18 |
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Mac wrote:
> Walter Hill, John Frankenheimer, William Friedkin et al. They're not alone.
Apropos of nothing, my favourite Frankenheimer quote, after his
experiences on the 'Dr Moreau' project: "If I were filming 'The Val
Kilmer Story' I wouldn't cast Val Kilmer."
Still, at least a lot of people still remember those guys' early
promise and potential, and that they made a few good movies way back
when. Some people have even their best work unfairly ignored or almost
forgotten in the light of what they did subsequently, whether
professionally or personally (fill in your own list of examples
here...)
Best
Phil
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303441 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 05:43 |
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Mac wrote:
> VINCE wrote:
>
>
>>Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
>>If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
>>Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
>>HANDSOME.
>
>
> That's your opinion that Craig is ugly. Not everyone shares it or
> is shallow enough to let it colour their judgement.
Not everyione thinks he handsome either, I'm not the only one
who thinks hes UGLY!
--
Check out my new BLOG
Its a work in progress
http://computerpast.blogspot.com/
Also check out our sales page(s)
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| Re: Preview of CR - "Craig uneasy as Bond" [message #303442 ] |
Mi, 19 Juli 2006 05:45 |
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Rhino wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:00:01 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Rhino wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:59 -0400, VINCE <Holvbphoto [at] optonline.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I went to see Roger since first off I was a fan of his, and second
>>>>he had something that it looked like he make a good if not great 007.
>>>>True some of the humor was over the top, BUT for that matter so was DAF.
>>>>DC is UGLY, too OLD looking, too WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
>>>
>>>
>>>Frankly. I don't really you're the demographic they're aiming for.
>>
>>You mean you don't really think etc?!
>
>
> Whatever.
>
>
>>Me or the Bond fans overall who are they going after?
>>If they lose the fans, they lose a big part of the audience.
>>Face facts the public expects 007 to have a certain look you know
>>HANDSOME. To put it in your own words Joe Smo or whoever never read
>>Fleming or Gardner or Benson, they only know actors like Sean, Roger,
>>Pierce etc in the role of James Bond 007 period. Case in point
>>many folks I know never read a 007 novel and yet love the films and
>>expect Bond to look a certain way.
>
>
> I meant you. That you don't think he's handsome will not alter the
> fact that millions will see the film.
>
> (And it wasn't me who posted the Joe Smo comment.)
>
> Bond films sell whether the hardcore fans go see them or not. It's not
> those of us on this forum who dictate what type of film we get to see
> (although I admit it would be nice to have that power). It'll be the
> late teens and the 20-somethings who'll see the trailer during
> Superman Returns and such that'll think, "Oh, the guy from Layer Cake.
> Could be cool."
Everyone I've talked to in the last few months CAN'T believe DC got the
part and for that matter never heard of him.
--
Check out my new BLOG
Its a work in progress
http://computerpast.blogspot.com/
Also check out our sales page(s)
http://bondtime.tripod.com/
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