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| Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300250] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 18:54 |
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When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts to
apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody lasted
more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why DD was
allowing Snape to take such a risk?
Harry's self-focused and mediocre.
Andrea
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300251 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 19:05 |
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andrea baker wrote:
> When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts
> to apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody
> lasted more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why
> DD was allowing Snape to take such a risk?
Why would he care? Last I checked, he and Snape weren't on the best of
terms...
Catherine Johnson.
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fenm at cox dot net
"The more steps we take forward, the longer we see the path is ahead."
-Shou Tucker, _FullMetal Alchemist_
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300265 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 23:57 |
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Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> andrea baker wrote:
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>> When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts
>> to apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody
>> lasted more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why
>> DD was allowing Snape to take such a risk?
>
> Why would he care? Last I checked, he and Snape weren't on the best
> of terms...
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Yes; in fact his reaction was...
"Well, there's one good thing, he said savagely. Snape'll be gone by the end
of the year. <snip> "That job's jinxed. No one's lasted more than a year.
Quirrell actually died doing it. Personally, I'm going to keep my fingers
crossed for another death."
Ken
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300278 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 01:47 |
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Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> andrea baker wrote:
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>> When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts
>> to apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody
>> lasted more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why
>> DD was allowing Snape to take such a risk?
>
> Why would he care? Last I checked, he and Snape weren't on the best of
> terms...
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Didn't he say aloud, at the start of the school year, that he was in
fact waiting for another "accident" to happen?
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300293 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 08:33 |
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On 15 Jul 2006 09:54:18 -0700, "andrea baker"
<andreabaker2 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts to
>apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody lasted
>more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why DD was
>allowing Snape to take such a risk?
First, Harry hates Snape, so he certainly wouldn't be concerned about
Snape being harmed by the position.
But second, let's not forget that this is not a death curse. If it
were, everyone who had held the position would be dead. And they are
not. Lupin, for instance, lost the job, but otherwise emerged
unscathed from the position.
Dumbledore simply said it was cursed. The curse might be only that no
one can hold the position for over one year.
The real Moody also lived (although he was locked up in a trunk for a
while). Umbridge survived (albeit after a discomforting run-in with
the centaurs). Even Snape survived (albeit, as a murderer).
It seems that most of the time, those who have suffered the most
serious consequences from the job have brought the problems on
themselves through their evil actions.. Quirrel was trying to kill
Harry when he perished. Lockhart was trying to wipe out their
memories when his spell backfired. And Snape is now on the run because
he killed the only man who ever tried to help him.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300303 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 09:48 |
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On 15 Jul 2006 09:54:18 -0700, "andrea baker"
<andreabaker2 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts to
>apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody lasted
>more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why DD was
>allowing Snape to take such a risk?
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>Harry's self-focused and mediocre.
>
>Andrea
Harry doesn't like Snape. Boo Hoo Hoo if the curse removes him from
the school.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300304 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 09:49 |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:47:10 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>> andrea baker wrote:
>>
>>> When DD told Harry that, ever after Tom Riddle's visit to Hogwarts
>>> to apply for the DADA position, the position was cursed and nobody
>>> lasted more than a year, why didn't Harry press DD to tell him why
>>> DD was allowing Snape to take such a risk?
>>
>> Why would he care? Last I checked, he and Snape weren't on the best of
>> terms...
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
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>Didn't he say aloud, at the start of the school year, that he was in
>fact waiting for another "accident" to happen?
HMM, perhaps he's involved in foul play?
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300306 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 09:53 |
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gjw wrote:
<snip>
> But second, let's not forget that this is not a death curse. If it
> were, everyone who had held the position would be dead.
> And they are not. Lupin, for instance, lost the job, but
> otherwise emerged unscathed from the position.
His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
no, not "unscathed".
<snip>
> It seems that most of the time, those who have suffered the most
> serious consequences from the job have brought the problems on
> themselves through their evil actions.. Quirrel was trying to kill
> Harry when he perished. Lockhart was trying to wipe out their
> memories when his spell backfired.
....Umbridge's own arrogance, ignorance, and prejudice led to her
downfall...
> And Snape is now on the run because he killed the only man who
> ever tried to help him.
Indeed. That's a good point. ^_^
Catherine Johnson.
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fenm at cox dot net
"At least some oboe player got a paycheck out of all this horse hockey..."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300344 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 06:57 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:53:51 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>gjw wrote:
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><snip>
>> But second, let's not forget that this is not a death curse. If it
>> were, everyone who had held the position would be dead.
>> And they are not. Lupin, for instance, lost the job, but
>> otherwise emerged unscathed from the position.
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>His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
>no, not "unscathed".
Given his shabby appearance on the Hogwarts Express when he first
arrived, I suspect that he wasn't exactly overflowing with job
opportunities when Dumbledore offered him the position. Dumbledore
kept his secret, but other employers would probably have checked his
background and never hired him to begin with. Lupin tells Harry: "The
news would have leaked out anyway." My take is that his "outing" by
Snape merely informed the Hogwarts students and their parents, making
it impossible for Lupin to continue teaching at that school - which
was probably his only real hope for a teaching position to begin with.
The shack incident also reminded him of how dangerous he could be
around children, and that seems to have convinced him not to pursue
teaching in the future.
><snip>
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>> It seems that most of the time, those who have suffered the most
>> serious consequences from the job have brought the problems on
>> themselves through their evil actions.. Quirrel was trying to kill
>> Harry when he perished. Lockhart was trying to wipe out their
>> memories when his spell backfired.
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>...Umbridge's own arrogance, ignorance, and prejudice led to her
>downfall...
True. I didn't mention her in the same breath as the other three
because she didn't seem to suffer any permanent damage - she's still
working for the Ministry...
>> And Snape is now on the run because he killed the only man who
>> ever tried to help him.
>
>Indeed. That's a good point. ^_^
>
>Catherine Johnson.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300352 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 09:39 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:33:26 GMT, gjw <gjw [at] example.net> wrote:
>Even Snape survived (albeit, as a murderer).
Or an Euthenasiaer.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #300353 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 09:40 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:53:51 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
>no, not "unscathed".
Yeah, but he wasn't exactly well off before with unlimited options and
job security.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302624 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 03:14 |
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gjw escribió:
> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
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>> ...Umbridge's own arrogance, ignorance, and prejudice led to her
>> downfall...
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> True. I didn't mention her in the same breath as the other three
> because she didn't seem to suffer any permanent damage - she's still
> working for the Ministry...
Yet, she looks she has now a trauma with anything that might merely
look/sound/smell like a horse (not that we care...)
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302626 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 03:16 |
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Toon escribió:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:53:51 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
>> His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
>> no, not "unscathed".
>
> Yeah, but he wasn't exactly well off before with unlimited options and
> job security.
But he had a chance to do a job that he seemed to really enjoy. Students
did like him and who know that in some years, even knowing the truth,
they wouldn't care. He completely lost the chance to prove everyone how
worthy he is.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302639 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 04:57 |
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In article <e9hcpe$bf6$1 [at] nntp.aioe.org>, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Toon escribió:
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:53:51 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
>> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>>
>>> His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
>>> no, not "unscathed".
>>
>> Yeah, but he wasn't exactly well off before with unlimited options and
>> job security.
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>But he had a chance to do a job that he seemed to really enjoy. Students
>did like him and who know that in some years, even knowing the truth,
>they wouldn't care. He completely lost the chance to prove everyone how
>worthy he is.
The new Werewolf Registration law made that happen anyway.
=Tamar
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302648 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 07:00 |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:16:49 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Toon escribió:
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:53:51 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
>> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>>
>>> His status as a werewolf was made public, making jobs hard to find. So,
>>> no, not "unscathed".
>>
>> Yeah, but he wasn't exactly well off before with unlimited options and
>> job security.
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>But he had a chance to do a job that he seemed to really enjoy. Students
>did like him and who know that in some years, even knowing the truth,
>they wouldn't care. He completely lost the chance to prove everyone how
>worthy he is.
If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on Snape
doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt) isn't
enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him tame as a
pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302694 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 21:11 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:00:12 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on Snape
>doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt) isn't
>enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him tame as a
>pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after they
left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the possibility
for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely unfounded.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302708 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 21:56 |
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gjw wrote:
> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
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>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>> teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on
>> Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt)
>> isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him
>> tame as a pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>
> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
> intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely
> unfounded.
Not to mention the incident with Snape.
And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How many times
did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even mentions how stupidly
dangerous it was for him to go out with the guys they way they did.
Catherine Johnson.
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fenm at cox dot net
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302725 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 05:02 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:56:29 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>gjw wrote:
>
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>>> teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on
>>> Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt)
>>> isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him
>>> tame as a pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>>
>> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
>> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
>> intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
>> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely
>> unfounded.
>
>Not to mention the incident with Snape.
>And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How many times
>did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even mentions how stupidly
>dangerous it was for him to go out with the guys they way they did.
Yes, he does:
"That was still really dangerous! Running around in the dark with a
werewolf! What if you'd given the others the slip, and bitten
somebody?"
"A thought that still haunts me," said Lupin heavily. "And there
were near misses, many of them. We laughed about them afterwards. We
were young, thoughtless -- carried away with our own cleverness."
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302731 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 06:54 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:11:02 GMT, gjw <gjw [at] example.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:00:12 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>>teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on Snape
>>doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt) isn't
>>enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him tame as a
>>pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>
>
>On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after they
>left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
>intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the possibility
>for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely unfounded.
>
Well, he is a werewolf, and there is a reason people fear them. But
the Trio shouldn't have been out of the castle that late. Lupin
normally wouldn't have his map back, nor would he be seeing dead
wizards alive and well on it, and therefore would be taking his
potion.
At most, he'd have to agree to continue using the Shrieking Shack,
just to remove any possibility of being near someone. And as far as
anyone would know, he spent 7 years there before, and never once
ventured out with 3 animal friends.
But isn't it equally bad to have a former D E who's quite abusive,
even non physically to students teaching? Yes most people trust DD's
word, but not every parent would. Leats of all in a subject where he
can make poisons, and has threatened to use them on students to test
antidotes.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302732 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 06:58 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:56:29 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>gjw wrote:
>
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>>> teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on
>>> Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt)
>>> isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him
>>> tame as a pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>>
>> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
>> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
>> intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
>> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely
>> unfounded.
>
>Not to mention the incident with Snape.
>And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How many times
>did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even mentions how stupidly
>dangerous it was for him to go out with the guys they way they did.
>
>Catherine Johnson.
True, but remember, there's a limit to what a giant dog,a stag, and a
rat can do. Humans might have better control when not currently being
attacked. Lupin's close calls might have been avoidable had 3 fully
trained wizards been monitoring him. We unfortunately don't know just
how dangerous a werewolf is when being guarded. Could be the animals
were the best idea.
But there was enough evidence to support Lupin isn't an immediate
dagger, and that precautions can be made and executed.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302793 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 02:10 |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:54:51 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>But isn't it equally bad to have a former D E who's quite abusive,
>even non physically to students teaching? Yes most people trust DD's
>word, but not every parent would. Leats of all in a subject where he
>can make poisons, and has threatened to use them on students to test
>antidotes.
Well, I've always thought that Snape being a teacher at Hogwarts is
one of the most unbelievable elements of the story.
There is no way, in real life, that a compassionate man like
Dumbledore would let a miserable, sadistic SOB like Snape abuse his
students on a daily basis.
Granted JKR has come up with a good reason for Snape to be living at
Hogwarts (a "repentant" Death Eater, a spy in the war against
Voldemort, etc), but no real reason why he should be turned loose on
the student body. He could just as easily be doing research down in
his dungeon.
But, alas, it was necessary for JKR's storyline. She was borrowing a
lot from the "Tom Brown" style of boarding school stories, and as such
you must have a sadistic teacher (as well a student bully, filled by
Draco) to make things interesting. And you must admit, Snape makes a
fine villain. The stories would be much less colorful without him.
Granted, she had Voldemort, but the Dark Lord is too distant a villain
(he doesn't even have a body to call his own until the 4th book) to
fill the bill. Harry spends most of his time at Hogwarts, far from LV,
so there had to be a local Hogwarts villain. Not necessarily someone
who would try to kill Harry, just someone who would make life
difficult for him. So we have one of those writer compromises where
Dumbledore has to act out of character and tolerate Snape's antics...
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302817 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 06:29 |
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gjw escribió:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:56:29 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
>> gjw wrote:
>>
>>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>>>> teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on
>>>> Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt)
>>>> isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him
>>>> tame as a pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>>> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
>>> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
>>> intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
>>> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely
>>> unfounded.
>> Not to mention the incident with Snape.
>> And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How many times
>> did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even mentions how stupidly
>> dangerous it was for him to go out with the guys they way they did.
>
> Yes, he does:
>
> "That was still really dangerous! Running around in the dark with a
> werewolf! What if you'd given the others the slip, and bitten
> somebody?"
>
> "A thought that still haunts me," said Lupin heavily. "And there
> were near misses, many of them. We laughed about them afterwards. We
> were young, thoughtless -- carried away with our own cleverness."
>
>
But no one knows this except the marauders. Not even DD knew about. For
one year, Lupin did his job, better than the two previous DADA teachers
and the students managed to learn important stuff. If he had stayed at
Hogwarts for a couple of years, *perhaps* he could have the chance to
prove he was capable enough. Some students also had somehow convinced
his families he was a nice man.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302831 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 09:52 |
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:10:37 GMT, gjw <gjw [at] example.net> wrote:
>But, alas, it was necessary for JKR's storyline. She was borrowing a
>lot from the "Tom Brown" style of boarding school stories, and as such
>you must have a sadistic teacher (as well a student bully, filled by
>Draco) to make things interesting. And you must admit, Snape makes a
>fine villain. The stories would be much less colorful without him.
Sometimes real life too. A school bully everybody hates. A teacher
who calls herself The Witch (OK, not technically evil, but a hard
ass.) Even the one teacher everybody hates and tells you to hope you
never get.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302948 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 08:03 |
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In article <eohtb2lnlhdbmp6khrm8j13prodpd6n6ge [at] 4ax.com>,
gjw <gjw [at] example.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:54:51 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>
>>But isn't it equally bad to have a former D E who's quite abusive,
>>even non physically to students teaching? Yes most people trust DD's
>>word, but not every parent would. Leats of all in a subject where he
>>can make poisons, and has threatened to use them on students to test
>>antidotes.
>
>
>Well, I've always thought that Snape being a teacher at Hogwarts is
>one of the most unbelievable elements of the story.
>
>There is no way, in real life, that a compassionate man like
>Dumbledore would let a miserable, sadistic SOB like Snape abuse his
>students on a daily basis.
Or maybe the "evil Dumbledore" theory has some support...
=Tamar
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #302954 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 09:04 |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:29:27 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>gjw escribió:
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:56:29 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
>> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>>
>>> gjw wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year as a
>>>>> teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus' prank on
>>>>> Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody actually got hurt)
>>>>> isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a potion that renders him
>>>>> tame as a pup, nothing would prove to those yahoo's he's safe.
>>>> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
>>>> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only the
>>>> intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
>>>> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't completely
>>>> unfounded.
>>> Not to mention the incident with Snape.
>>> And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How many times
>>> did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even mentions how stupidly
>>> dangerous it was for him to go out with the guys they way they did.
>>
>> Yes, he does:
>>
>> "That was still really dangerous! Running around in the dark with a
>> werewolf! What if you'd given the others the slip, and bitten
>> somebody?"
>>
>> "A thought that still haunts me," said Lupin heavily. "And there
>> were near misses, many of them. We laughed about them afterwards. We
>> were young, thoughtless -- carried away with our own cleverness."
>>
>>
>But no one knows this except the marauders. Not even DD knew about.
But my point was that the people were not entirely wrong when they
assumed that it would be dangerous to have a werewolf around a school.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #303031 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 03:18 |
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gjw wrote:
> drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>> gjw escribió:
>>>"Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>>>> gjw wrote:
>>>>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If knowledge that for 7 ears he was a student, plus one year
>>>>>> as a teacher, without incident of harming a student (Sirus'
>>>>>> prank on Snape doesn't count against Lupin, plus nobody
>>>>>> actually got hurt) isn't enough proof he's harmless, plus a
>>>>>> potion that renders him tame as a pup, nothing would prove to
>>>>>> those yahoo's he's safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, he came very close to killing the trio (after
>>>>> they left the Shack) when he neglected to take the potion. Only
>>>>> the intervention of Sirius (in dog form) stopped him. So the
>>>>> possibility for tragedy was real... the concerns weren't
>>>>> completely unfounded.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the incident with Snape.
>>>> And, really, do we know if he was always completely safe? How
>>>> many times did the guys have close calls? I think Lupin even
>>>> mentions how stupidly dangerous it was for him to go out with
>>>> the guys they way they did.
>>>
>>> Yes, he does:
>>> "That was still really dangerous! Running around in the dark
>>> with a werewolf! What if you'd given the others the slip, and
>>> bitten somebody?"
>>> "A thought that still haunts me," said Lupin heavily. "And
>>> there were near misses, many of them. We laughed about them
>>> afterwards. We were young, thoughtless -- carried away with our
>>> own cleverness."
>>
>> But no one knows this except the marauders. Not even DD knew
>> about.
>
> But my point was that the people were not entirely wrong when they
> assumed that it would be dangerous to have a werewolf around a
> school.
Exactly. That was the point my examples were intended to support. Whether
anyone knows about these incidents or not doesn't change the fact that they
happened, and could have led to real tragedy.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
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| Re: Harry's incuriousness about Snape's DADA position [message #303051 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 09:44 |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:04:48 GMT, gjw <gjw [at] example.net> wrote:
>
>But my point was that the people were not entirely wrong when they
>assumed that it would be dangerous to have a werewolf around a school.
>
Only if 3 twits let him out once a month, fully knowing the danger he
possessed.
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