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HP movies [message #300239] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 15:19
JM  
Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
approached JKR about this.
Re: HP movies [message #300242 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 15:39
pooter  
JM [nospam [at] ev1.net] said
> Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
> thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
> will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
> Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
> approached JKR about this.
>
>
>

LOL!

Where do these twits come from?
Re: HP movies [message #300246 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 18:15
Kish  
JM wrote:
> Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
> thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
> will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
> Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
> approached JKR about this.

....I doubt very much the "movie industry" has been stupid enough to
think it would be worthwhile to even try to get JKR to alter the plot of
her books for them.
Re: HP movies [message #300252 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:09
Fish Eye no Miko  
JM wrote:

> Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry?

You think a bad ending to one movie will hurt the *industry*?

> I know there will be thousands going to see the last one, but there
> will also be many fans who will not want to see it knowing Harry
> will be killed.

And there will be plenty who will.

> I wouldn't go see it. Reading it will be bad enough. The
> movie industry has probably already approached JKR about this.

The WHOLE industry? Wow, that's a lot of people.
I think you mean, "the people from Warner Brothers, the ones who actually
make the HP films". And if they have approached her about this, I hope
she's told them to go take a flying leap.

Catherine Johnson.
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in just a second."
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Re: HP movies [message #300292 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 08:08
gjw  
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:19:13 -0500, "JM" <nospam [at] ev1.net> wrote:

>Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
>thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
>will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
>Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
>approached JKR about this.


They don't have much influence with JKR, I fear.

But I think it can be safely assumed that if Harry dies in the final
book, it will make the actual headlines - probably before the book is
released. It's hard to keep a secret that big, and the media would
probably run with it (unlike previous books, where the press has
played along with the secrecy). The early release of that info would
probably hurt sales numbers for the 7th book (there would be a certain
percentage of the readers who wouldn't want the book if they knew
Harry died in the end). And in the long run, it would probably hurt
the future sales of the entire book series, as well as attendance at
the remaining movies, and subsequent DVD sales. But JKR is a
billionaire. Sales numbers probably don't mean much to her now.
Re: HP movies [message #300301 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 09:44
Toon  
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:19:13 -0500, "JM" <nospam [at] ev1.net> wrote:

>Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
>thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
>will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
>Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
>approached JKR about this.
>

You know how any people don't even know HP is a book? Despite it
saying so in the credits? There's no chance of Book Harry dying
affecting movie profits.
Re: HP movies [message #300302 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 09:46
Toon  
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:15:25 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>JM wrote:
>> Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
>> thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
>> will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
>> Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
>> approached JKR about this.
>
>...I doubt very much the "movie industry" has been stupid enough to
>think it would be worthwhile to even try to get JKR to alter the plot of
>her books for them.

Especially since WB's been buying rights in increments. And they can
be denied if they get too preachy/demanding. And when they buy the
rights to Book 7, they're stuck with the general plot and major
moments, because to change that drastically will destroy movie
continuity (everything's been leading up to JK's finale), and the fans
will refuse to watch. Then they lose money like no one ever has
before.
Re: HP movies [message #300321 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 18:18
Mauro  
"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
news:8jrjb21bpfc2k50ch2k55g233br3oklibf [at] 4ax.com...

> Especially since WB's been buying rights in increments. And they can
> be denied if they get too preachy/demanding. And when they buy the
> rights to Book 7, they're stuck with the general plot and major
> moments, because to change that drastically will destroy movie
> continuity (everything's been leading up to JK's finale), and the fans
> will refuse to watch. Then they lose money like no one ever has
> before.

That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
plot and/or major moments. Just look at what they did to the book The Lost
World (Jurassic Park 2). The movie only had a couple of minor things in
common with the book. The book was far superior, and had a lot of fans.
That didn't stop the movie version of The Lost World from making huge
amounts of money, nor did it prevent there being more sequels.

Both with Jurassic Park and with Harry Potter, there are a lot of people who
went to see the movies but haven't read the books. I remember HP fans in
this very news group predicting that the changes made for the movie version
of Prisoner of Azkaban would make it so that no HP book fan would want to
see any more of the HP movies, and therefore the movie series would "cease
to be." That didn't happen.

If Harry dies in the seventh book, that is no guarantee that he will die in
the seventh movie. I personally doubt that the movie makers would make a
change like that in this case, but that is certainly no guarantee. Movie
companies, WB included, have made far worse decisions.
Re: HP movies [message #300338 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 04:51
Benjamin Esham  
Mauro wrote:

> Toon wrote:
>
> > [if Harry dies in Book 7,] the fans will refuse to watch. Then they
> > lose money like no one ever has before.

I think the portion of the population that would refuse to watch such a
movie would be insignificantly small; the revenue wouldn't be affected
enough to make the movie industry lose money to that extent. OTOH I could
be massively wrong about that.

> That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
> last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
> plot and/or major moments. [...] If Harry dies in the seventh book, that
> is no guarantee that he will die in the seventh movie.

Unless JKR has any artistic integrity at all, in which case she won't allow
the studio to botch the story like that. The HP movies (and related
merchandise) are a huge franchise, and WB wouldn't risk losing the rights to
the seventh movie by violating the author's wishes by changing what is
possibly the most important detail of the ending of the series.

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Re: HP movies [message #300341 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 06:35
Mauro  
"Benjamin Esham" <bdesham [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:RWCug.5471$oa1.1914 [at] news02.roc.ny...
> Mauro wrote:
> > Since they know HP7 is the
> > last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the
general
> > plot and/or major moments. [...] If Harry dies in the seventh book,
that
> > is no guarantee that he will die in the seventh movie.
>
> Unless JKR has any artistic integrity at all, in which case she won't
allow
> the studio to botch the story like that. The HP movies (and related
> merchandise) are a huge franchise, and WB wouldn't risk losing the rights
to
> the seventh movie by violating the author's wishes by changing what is
> possibly the most important detail of the ending of the series.

But by the time they would be making the decision, it would be too late.
JKR would have already sold the rights. They have consulted with her on the
scripts for the movies, but I don't think I've seen from any reliable source
that JKR has any kind of veto rights. Once WB has purchased the movie
rights for the seventh book, they would be able to do whatever they wanted
with it -- even make it a musical, if that's what struck their fancy -- and
JKR wouldn't be able to do a think to stop it.

I don't think WB would do this, but JKR certainly wouldn't be able to stop
them.

And if it *has* been published in some reliable source that JKR has veto
authority over the script, I'd love to see a link to that, because that
would be an extremely rare event in the film industry. In fact, just off
the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who has been given that kind of
authority. It's rare enough that they're keeping her as involved as they
have. Usually, it's more like the situation with the movie The Postman.
The movie rights were purchased in the middle 1980s, and the script went
through many revisions with David Brin, the original author, never seeing a
copy. In fact, once a final script was settled on and filmed, I don't even
think Brin was invited to the premiere. If the story I heard was correct,
he wrote the book, sold the rights, and then his next involvement was paying
to see the movie.
Re: HP movies [message #300343 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 06:45
gjw  
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:51:29 GMT, Benjamin Esham <bdesham [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Mauro wrote:
>
>> That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
>> last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
>> plot and/or major moments. [...] If Harry dies in the seventh book, that
>> is no guarantee that he will die in the seventh movie.
>
>Unless JKR has any artistic integrity at all, in which case she won't allow
>the studio to botch the story like that. The HP movies (and related
>merchandise) are a huge franchise, and WB wouldn't risk losing the rights to
>the seventh movie by violating the author's wishes by changing what is
>possibly the most important detail of the ending of the series.


Alas, the reality is that once the studio buys the rights to the last
book, JKR won't have anything to say about how the final movie turns
out (unless she writes it into the contract). Until now, Warner Bros
has been trying to keep her happy because they need her permission to
do the future films. But once they get her signature on the contract
for the last film, they won't need her anymore. And if the studio
decides that they will make more money by changing the ending - I
wouldn't necessarily put it past them.

It has been done on countless occasions in the past. Compare, for
instance, the happy ending to the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's" with
the original ending of Capote's novel. Or the ending of the film "My
Fair Lady" with the ending of Shaw's original play "Pygmalion".
Hollywood is rarely afraid to re-write a well-known ending if they
think it will improve the bottom line. In fact, they often have early
test screenings of films to measure audience reaction to exactly that
sort of thing. Their only concern in this instance would be the
possible wrath of fans of the books; they would have to determine what
percentage of the movie goers have also read the books, and then
determine whether those book fans would prefer a happier ending.

(Of course, I think this is a moot point, because I don't think JKR
has any intention of killing Harry. She's just jerking us around.)
Re: HP movies [message #302604 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 16:37
wadkin2000  
gjw wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:51:29 GMT, Benjamin Esham <bdesham [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Mauro wrote:
> >
> >> That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
> >> last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
> >> plot and/or major moments. [...] If Harry dies in the seventh book, that
> >> is no guarantee that he will die in the seventh movie.
> >
> >Unless JKR has any artistic integrity at all, in which case she won't allow
> >the studio to botch the story like that. The HP movies (and related
> >merchandise) are a huge franchise, and WB wouldn't risk losing the rights to
> >the seventh movie by violating the author's wishes by changing what is
> >possibly the most important detail of the ending of the series.
>
>
> Alas, the reality is that once the studio buys the rights to the last
> book, JKR won't have anything to say about how the final movie turns
> out (unless she writes it into the contract). Until now, Warner Bros
> has been trying to keep her happy because they need her permission to
> do the future films. But once they get her signature on the contract
> for the last film, they won't need her anymore. And if the studio
> decides that they will make more money by changing the ending - I
> wouldn't necessarily put it past them.
>
> It has been done on countless occasions in the past. Compare, for
> instance, the happy ending to the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's" with
> the original ending of Capote's novel. Or the ending of the film "My
> Fair Lady" with the ending of Shaw's original play "Pygmalion".
> Hollywood is rarely afraid to re-write a well-known ending if they
> think it will improve the bottom line. In fact, they often have early
> test screenings of films to measure audience reaction to exactly that
> sort of thing. Their only concern in this instance would be the
> possible wrath of fans of the books; they would have to determine what
> percentage of the movie goers have also read the books, and then
> determine whether those book fans would prefer a happier ending.
>
> (Of course, I think this is a moot point, because I don't think JKR
> has any intention of killing Harry. She's just jerking us around.)


JK has no legal "artistic say" in the movies at all. WB originally
purchased the first four books as a package deal and, IIRC, each
subsequent book has its own contract. Perhaps they have a "gentlemen's
agreement" with Jo, as she has said that WB and David Heyman assured
her they would try and be as faithful to the books as possible.

That being said, however, IMO, I really don't think that WB would
attempt to take any "artistic license" with the ending of book seven
if, in fact, Harry does die. I could envisage numerous changes in the
movie perhaps, but considering the size of the all-encompassing HP
franchise, I seriously doubt it.
Re: HP movies [message #302614 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 00:22
gjw  
On 17 Jul 2006 07:37:55 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>gjw wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:51:29 GMT, Benjamin Esham <bdesham [at] gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Mauro wrote:
>> >
>> >> That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
>> >> last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
>> >> plot and/or major moments. [...] If Harry dies in the seventh book, that
>> >> is no guarantee that he will die in the seventh movie.
>> >
>> >Unless JKR has any artistic integrity at all, in which case she won't allow
>> >the studio to botch the story like that. The HP movies (and related
>> >merchandise) are a huge franchise, and WB wouldn't risk losing the rights to
>> >the seventh movie by violating the author's wishes by changing what is
>> >possibly the most important detail of the ending of the series.
>>
>>
>> Alas, the reality is that once the studio buys the rights to the last
>> book, JKR won't have anything to say about how the final movie turns
>> out (unless she writes it into the contract). Until now, Warner Bros
>> has been trying to keep her happy because they need her permission to
>> do the future films. But once they get her signature on the contract
>> for the last film, they won't need her anymore. And if the studio
>> decides that they will make more money by changing the ending - I
>> wouldn't necessarily put it past them.
>>
>> It has been done on countless occasions in the past. Compare, for
>> instance, the happy ending to the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's" with
>> the original ending of Capote's novel. Or the ending of the film "My
>> Fair Lady" with the ending of Shaw's original play "Pygmalion".
>> Hollywood is rarely afraid to re-write a well-known ending if they
>> think it will improve the bottom line. In fact, they often have early
>> test screenings of films to measure audience reaction to exactly that
>> sort of thing. Their only concern in this instance would be the
>> possible wrath of fans of the books; they would have to determine what
>> percentage of the movie goers have also read the books, and then
>> determine whether those book fans would prefer a happier ending.
>>
>> (Of course, I think this is a moot point, because I don't think JKR
>> has any intention of killing Harry. She's just jerking us around.)
>
>
>JK has no legal "artistic say" in the movies at all. WB originally
>purchased the first four books as a package deal and, IIRC, each
>subsequent book has its own contract. Perhaps they have a "gentlemen's
>agreement" with Jo, as she has said that WB and David Heyman assured
>her they would try and be as faithful to the books as possible.

Note what I wrote above: "Until now, Warner Bros has been trying to
keep her happy because they need her permission to do the future
films."

In other words, they didn't dare cross her too much on the early films
because they needed her permission to do the latter films. But once
she has signed away the movie rights to the last film, any bargaining
power that she may have had (beyond a gentleman's agreement) will
vanish. The studio will only consider what will make them the most
money, not what JKR wants (or doesn't want).


>That being said, however, IMO, I really don't think that WB would
>attempt to take any "artistic license" with the ending of book seven
>if, in fact, Harry does die. I could envisage numerous changes in the
>movie perhaps, but considering the size of the all-encompassing HP
>franchise, I seriously doubt it.

It will depend upon what the studio's research tells them. All things
being equal, they will continue to produce the last movies as they
have in the past, sticking reasonably close to the original plots of
the books. But if there is a great uproar over the death of Harry in
the final book (under the unlikely scenario that JKR kills Harry), if
people are literally burning the books in the streets, and especially
if they see a major fall-off in attendance for the 6th film, I can
imagine the studio deciding to give the people what they want and
producing a final HP film with a happy ending - regardless of what JKR
writes.

Of course, it's theoretically possible for Rowling to write a "happy
ending" which includes the death of Harry. In which case the readers
would be satisfied and the movie makers wouldn't have to fret about
it. But the way the plot has developed over the last six books (and
since she isn't in the habit of resurrecting the dead), I can't really
imagine what that would be. The best we could hope for, it would
seem, would be some type of "noble" sacrifice by Harry to kill
Voldemort. But since everyone knows that Voldemort is a certain goner
in book 7 anyway, killing Harry in the process would just be seen as
unnecessarily cruel.
Re: HP movies [message #302625 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 03:13
Sky Rider  
On 17 Jul 2006 07:37:55 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com looked at Ron with
an evil Grint in his eye and said :
>gjw wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:51:29 GMT, Benjamin Esham <bdesham [at] gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Mauro wrote:

<snip>

>JK has no legal "artistic say" in the movies at all.

I think this is clear when you look at the appalling way they hacked
GoF. The film is good yes... but it *isn't* the book... and changes...
oy vey... dire.
--

Where real Aussies go to tell it like it is!
http://www.australianopinion.com
Re: HP movies [message #302687 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 19:03
tbarry22  
Toon wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:19:13 -0500, "JM" <nospam [at] ev1.net> wrote:
>
> >Wouldn't killing Harry Potter hurt the movie industry? I know there will be
> >thousands going to see the last one, but there will also be many fans who
> >will not want to see it knowing Harry will be killed. I wouldn't go see it.
> >Reading it will be bad enough. The movie industry has probably already
> >approached JKR about this.
> >
>
> You know how any people don't even know HP is a book? Despite it
> saying so in the credits? There's no chance of Book Harry dying
> affecting movie profits.

As someone else stated above, if she kills him off it will be in all
the media. There is no way WB would get away with changing it.
whether or not an audience member read the book would be moot, everyone
would know he dies. That said, I was pretty sure that JKR had
script-approval...she has been given too much "courtesy" to not have
it. And even if she didn't, she probably does now.
Re: HP movies [message #302692 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 20:56
David  
Mauro wrote:

> That has never stopped a film company before. Since they know HP7 is the
> last book, they would probably have no problem at all changing the general
> plot and/or major moments. Just look at what they did to the book The Lost
> World (Jurassic Park 2). The movie only had a couple of minor things in
> common with the book. The book was far superior, and had a lot of fans.
> That didn't stop the movie version of The Lost World from making huge
> amounts of money, nor did it prevent there being more sequels.

No, but what will stop the film company is simple. At this time, WB
does not have the rights to make the movie. All rights belong to JKR.
And if JKR negotiates a contract that says they cannot change major
plot points, then they cannot change major plot points. (Yeah, the
contract would be a great deal more specific than my above
generalization.)

Michael Crichton is a big-name author. J.K. Rowling is, at this
moment, probably the most powerful author in the world. Any given HP
book has probably outsold any given Jurassic Park book by a factor of
20 to 1. Crichton probably makes a great deal more from E.R. than
from J.P., so I can't ever see him getting the level of control over
his properties that JKR has.

> Both with Jurassic Park and with Harry Potter, there are a lot of people who
> went to see the movies but haven't read the books. I remember HP fans in
> this very news group predicting that the changes made for the movie version
> of Prisoner of Azkaban would make it so that no HP book fan would want to
> see any more of the HP movies, and therefore the movie series would "cease
> to be." That didn't happen.
>
> If Harry dies in the seventh book, that is no guarantee that he will die in
> the seventh movie. I personally doubt that the movie makers would make a
> change like that in this case, but that is certainly no guarantee. Movie
> companies, WB included, have made far worse decisions.

You used the key word there yourself - IF. I have no idea if Harry
will die in Book 7, and neither does anyone else who isn't a confidante
of JKR. IF it happens, it might indeed change the plans for a seventh
movie, but I kinda doubt it. Harry wouldn't be the first hero who died
in his movie - nor would he be the last.
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