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| "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295050] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 02:00 |
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From Mugglenet:
"A few weeks ago we told you about the mother from Georgia, Laura
Mallory, who campaigned to have the Harry Potter books removed from her
children's school library, because - put short - they "promote and
glorify witchcraft." After the Gwinnett Board of Education dismissed the
case, Mallory appealed the decision, and... ugh, the Board has announced
it will hold another hearing on October 3rd. If you're in the vicinity
and can attend, please let the Board know how we feel about the situation".
The previous news about was:
"A few months ago, mother-of-four Laura Mallory filed several complaints
against all six Harry Potter books, saying they included "evil themes,
witchcraft, demonic activity, murder, evil blood sacrifice, spells and
teaching children all of this." Even though *she hasn't read any of the
books because they're "too long,"* she noted that it would be difficult
for children to distinguish between the fantastical events in the books
and real life, and attempted to have them removed from school libraries
in Gwinnett County. Although this is true to an extent, the dark side of
the books are portrayed in a bad light; no one thinks Voldemort's the
hero. More importantly, Harry Potter teaches kids (and adults alike) how
good can overcome evil.
On April 20th, scores of educators, parents and students showed their
support for the books in a public hearing, and both the local school and
system media committees concurred. In fact, the support for the books
remaining in school libraries was so strong that hearing officer Su
Ellen Bray offered ten reasons why they shouldn't be removed and on May
11th, the Gwinnett Board of Education voted that the novels should stay.
Mallory appealed this decision on Friday, and the legal services
division of the Georgia Department of Education will now determine the
next step in this debate"
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295053 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 02:12 |
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drusilla schrieb:
[BS]
There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
crazy are only them.
Greetz,
MK
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295058 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 04:54 |
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"Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
> drusilla schrieb:
> [BS]
>
> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
> are only them.
>
>
> Greetz,
> MK
We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them, and
then at a time when we'd like to show off our power to some up-and-
coming country that is rattling sabers, we nuke the island.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Eventually both groups of people will get the message - to the
idiots, get a clue and stop wasting our oxygen. To other groups who
think they can bully the world and threaten war or terrorism - think
again.
Sorry.. people who bash books because it supposedly promotes
one thing over another really torque me. I can understand and
appreciate not wanting to read the books because you don't like
fantasy or can't understand magic, or even think that because they're
'children's' books they're beneath them. But to say they're something
they're not is just idiotic.
TME
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295061 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 05:16 |
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The Magic Engineer escribió:
> "Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
> news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
>> drusilla schrieb:
>> [BS]
>>
>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
>> are only them.
>>
>>
>> Greetz,
>> MK
>
> We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
> away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
> set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them, and
> then at a time when we'd like to show off our power to some up-and-
> coming country that is rattling sabers, we nuke the island.
>
> Wash, rinse, repeat.
>
> Eventually both groups of people will get the message - to the
> idiots, get a clue and stop wasting our oxygen. To other groups who
> think they can bully the world and threaten war or terrorism - think
> again.
>
> Sorry.. people who bash books because it supposedly promotes
> one thing over another really torque me. I can understand and
> appreciate not wanting to read the books because you don't like
> fantasy or can't understand magic, or even think that because they're
> 'children's' books they're beneath them. But to say they're something
> they're not is just idiotic.
>
>
> TME
I've seen this case (or many like this) mostly or perhaps only in USA.
And I think the problem is that these people want other to raise their
children and save them from the job to do it themselves. See, I don't
like mostly of the shows that Cartoon Network airs neither my kid to
watch them for several reasons. How do I know? Because I've SEEN THEM.
Then, I order my son to not to watch him or I watch them with him, while
I explain him what's he is seeing. I don't go around saying "Teen Titans
are evil and should be cancelled*" or so, because other people like it.
If this mother doesn't want their kids to read them, then she should
forbid their kids to do it and explain them her motivations. I suppose
she might think their wont' listen to her and try to get them by other
ways: then she have more serious problems than Harry Potter... She's not
capable to make their kids to get her message nor have any authority as
a mother. It takes job to do it, but IT IS OUR JOB, not the State's job.
(Yes, I am lightly mad...)
_ _ _
* I don't think TT are evil: it's not that bad. I don't watch it, but my
son's dad likes it and sometime, they watch it together. :S
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295062 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 05:38 |
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"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e8a1nj$v2d$1 [at] nntp.aioe.org...
> The Magic Engineer escribió:
>> "Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
>> news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
>>> drusilla schrieb:
>>> [BS]
>>>
>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>>> crazy are only them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetz,
>>> MK
>>
>> We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
>> away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
>> set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them, and
>> then at a time when we'd like to show off our power to some up-and-
>> coming country that is rattling sabers, we nuke the island.
>>
>> Wash, rinse, repeat.
>>
>> Eventually both groups of people will get the message - to the
>> idiots, get a clue and stop wasting our oxygen. To other groups who
>> think they can bully the world and threaten war or terrorism - think
>> again.
>>
>> Sorry.. people who bash books because it supposedly promotes
>> one thing over another really torque me. I can understand and
>> appreciate not wanting to read the books because you don't like
>> fantasy or can't understand magic, or even think that because they're
>> 'children's' books they're beneath them. But to say they're something
>> they're not is just idiotic.
>>
>>
>> TME
>
> I've seen this case (or many like this) mostly or perhaps only in USA.
> And I think the problem is that these people want other to raise their
> children and save them from the job to do it themselves. See, I don't
> like mostly of the shows that Cartoon Network airs neither my kid to
> watch them for several reasons. How do I know? Because I've SEEN THEM.
> Then, I order my son to not to watch him or I watch them with him, while
> I explain him what's he is seeing. I don't go around saying "Teen Titans
> are evil and should be cancelled*" or so, because other people like it.
>
> If this mother doesn't want their kids to read them, then she should
> forbid their kids to do it and explain them her motivations. I suppose
> she might think their wont' listen to her and try to get them by other
> ways: then she have more serious problems than Harry Potter... She's not
> capable to make their kids to get her message nor have any authority as a
> mother. It takes job to do it, but IT IS OUR JOB, not the State's job.
>
> (Yes, I am lightly mad...)
Exactly, Drusilla. Don't go forcing your opinions on some matter onto
me when you're clearly in the minority. Take some responsibility
for raising your child instead of trying to change the state's laws or
the country's laws just to benefit your little 'cause'. It torques me to
no end to see a handful of people bitch and moan about something
and then try to get the gov't to change it when they are so alone on
the subject that it's not even funny. It's a waste of time, money and
our precious oxygen!! Have some responsibility too - is your kid
fat? Tell him to stop eating the snacks and go run around outside,
percolate some of that lard off dammit. Did your kid fall off his bike
and get hurt? Don't lobby for rubberized sidewalks, get the kid
a helmet and kneepads, and give him some time behind a bike
with 6 training wheels or something.
If this country was split on 'witchcraft' then I would pause and say,
"hmm". But this woman is clearly in the minority and should be
locked up for mental incompetence, and her kids allowed to be
adopted by HP loving, decent folk.
Heehehe..
TME
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295063 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 06:34 |
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Maik Koenig wrote:
> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
> crazy are only them.
From:
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
"A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
"An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
"Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
Catherine Johnson.
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Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295064 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 06:42 |
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The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
> Exactly, Drusilla. Don't go forcing your opinions on some matter onto
> me when you're clearly in the minority. Take some responsibility
> for raising your child instead of trying to change the state's laws or
> the country's laws just to benefit your little 'cause'. It torques me to
> no end to see a handful of people bitch and moan about something
> and then try to get the gov't to change it when they are so alone on
> the subject that it's not even funny. It's a waste of time, money and
> our precious oxygen!! Have some responsibility too - is your kid
> fat? Tell him to stop eating the snacks and go run around outside,
> percolate some of that lard off dammit.
Parents have a right to input on which books are chosen for school
libraries, and a right to object if junk food is provided in schools,
or if safety standards in schools are not met. You rattle on about
being a responsible parent -- but that is PART of what makes a
responsible parent. Getting involved in that sort of thing.
The only issue any of us can or should have with this woman is that she
doesn't like Harry Potter -- and is therefore clearly insane. But
since she DOES, for whatever reason, think the books are HARMFUL to
children, then getting involved in the school system to try to remove
them is her right and her duty.
If _I_ thought that the schools were including pornography in their
libraries, or Mad Cow Beef in their school lunches, or hadn't paved
their pavements in several decades leading to several bad accidents, I
too would have the obligation to get involved. And so would you. As
long as this Majority you speak of takes their jobs as parents as
seriously as the minority nutcases do, they won't have a problem.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295067 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 07:39 |
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Karnak17 wrote:
> Parents have a right to input on which books are chosen for school
> libraries, and a right to object if junk food is provided in schools,
> or if safety standards in schools are not met. You rattle on about
> being a responsible parent -- but that is PART of what makes a
> responsible parent. Getting involved in that sort of thing.
>
> The only issue any of us can or should have with this woman is that she
> doesn't like Harry Potter -- and is therefore clearly insane. But
> since she DOES, for whatever reason, think the books are HARMFUL to
> children, then getting involved in the school system to try to remove
> them is her right and her duty.
Except that "for whatever reason" *ought* to include that her reason is
an informed one, based on actually reading the books. By her own
admission, she hasn't read them. So, regardless of whether we like her
or not based on disliking Harry Potter, her position isn't tenable.
It would be like my saying I don't want Invisible Man in my child's
school library, even though (let's suppose) I haven't read it, just
because it was written by a black man. I mean, for crying out loud, it
might actually make people associate with black folks!
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295068 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 07:40 |
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Catherine Johnson wrote:
> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
> fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
> pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
> they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
>
> Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
Heh, thanks. The notion that this kind of personal idiocy knows
geographical, national, or ideological boundaries is divisive nonsense.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295069 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 07:54 |
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Brian Tung wrote:
> Karnak17 wrote:
> > Parents have a right to input on which books are chosen for school
> > libraries, and a right to object if junk food is provided in schools,
> > or if safety standards in schools are not met. You rattle on about
> > being a responsible parent -- but that is PART of what makes a
> > responsible parent. Getting involved in that sort of thing.
> >
> > The only issue any of us can or should have with this woman is that she
> > doesn't like Harry Potter -- and is therefore clearly insane. But
> > since she DOES, for whatever reason, think the books are HARMFUL to
> > children, then getting involved in the school system to try to remove
> > them is her right and her duty.
>
> Except that "for whatever reason" *ought* to include that her reason is
> an informed one, based on actually reading the books. By her own
> admission, she hasn't read them. So, regardless of whether we like her
> or not based on disliking Harry Potter, her position isn't tenable.
Well, no offense, but she is clearly stupid. That's not the point.
Stupid people cannot be expected to know that they are stupid. That is
part of what makes them stupid.
SHE thinks her opinion is reasonable. AND she is using legal
democratic means to convince other people that her position is
reasonable. That is what people in a democracy do. When other people
respond with the "joke" that such people don't deserve to take up
oxygen because they have the NERVE to say what they think even though
they are clearly in the minority -- THEN I start getting nervous.
> It would be like my saying I don't want Invisible Man in my child's
> school library, even though (let's suppose) I haven't read it, just
> because it was written by a black man. I mean, for crying out loud, it
> might actually make people associate with black folks!
Well, that would be stupid too, of course.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295070 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 07:59 |
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Brian Tung wrote:
> Catherine Johnson wrote:
> > "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
> > fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
> > "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
> > pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
> > "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
> > they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
> >
> > Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>
> Heh, thanks.
Yeah! Thanks.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295071 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 08:21 |
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Well, first of all, you cannot compare a book in a school library to
poor pavement at the school, or a lunch program with poor nutrition. A
child has little choice but to walk on the pavement that exists, or eat
the hot lunch that is served that day in school. Unless a book is
assigned in class, a child does have a *choice* whether or not to check
it out of the school library and read it. In which case, a parent who
does not want their child to read a particular book merely need
instruct them *not* to do so. If the child disobeys them, perhaps they
should look into disciplining the child better, rather than telling
other parents how to raise their children.
Secondly, banning books is clearly contrary to the 1st amendment of the
constitution. The only way in which she would have a legal leg to stand
on, is if she were to claim that since *Wicca* is a religion practiced
by some people, including books which promote it in the library of a
public school is a violation of seperation of church and state. In
which case, the Potter books should be removed. Also, any books which
could possibly be construed as promoting *other* religions, such as
Christianity, should ALSO be removed. This will probably include most
fiction books in existence. Ei, Tom Sawyer features an obviously
Christian funeral scene. Out it goes!
Thirdly, the issue would not exist at all, were it not for the fact
that the government is vastly overstepping the authority given to it by
the constitution by creating public schools in the first place, and
pretty much financially forcing parents to send their children there by
making them pay for the public schools regardless of whether they use
them or not. Very few parents can afford to pay twice for their
children's education, once for the property taxes for the public
schools, and another time for a private school they might prefer. Were
all schools private, and non-compulsory as they should be (and as they
were early in this country's history when the literacy rate was much
HIGHER than it is now), the issue would not exist. The woman could send
her children to the *I hate Potter* school, or no school at all, and
let other parents send their children to different schools.
Fourthly, she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. Since by her own
admission, she has not read the Harry Potter books, she cannot make ANY
statement about them, good or bad, without perjuring herself. Should
she do so, she should immediately be put on trial for perjury. The fact
that any given statement she makes *might* be true in an objective
sense is irrelevent. The fact is that since she knows nothing about the
books, any definitive statement she makes is therefore necessarily
FALSE from her point of view, and she is therefore committing
deliberate perjury.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295072 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 08:47 |
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The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
> "Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
> news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
> > drusilla schrieb:
> > [BS]
> >
> > There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
> > are only them.
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> > MK
>
> We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
> away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
> set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them (..)
That is what the Europeans did when they shipped the puritans to the
colony that is now the USA :-)
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295073 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 08:46 |
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Karnak17 wrote:
> Well, no offense, but she is clearly stupid. That's not the point.
> Stupid people cannot be expected to know that they are stupid. That is
> part of what makes them stupid.
No offense taken. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to have taken offense
at. But I think you missed my point. You said that she was doing her
duty and her right. In my opinion, the duty of taking action subsumes
taking *informed* action. It is no one's duty to take uninformed action,
which is what she's doing. So although I think it is her right to do so,
I disagree that it is her duty. As long as she doesn't know what she's
talking about (by not having read the books), I'd just as soon she shut
up (and read something besides religious texts, for a change).
> SHE thinks her opinion is reasonable. AND she is using legal
> democratic means to convince other people that her position is
> reasonable. That is what people in a democracy do. When other people
> respond with the "joke" that such people don't deserve to take up
> oxygen because they have the NERVE to say what they think even though
> they are clearly in the minority -- THEN I start getting nervous.
It's called gallows humor. You may not enjoy it, but I don't think
it's much to get nervous over. It's a common response to frustration
over something that you have little control over--such as someone's
flagrant stupidity.
Besides, the (joke) claim isn't that they don't deserve the oxygen
because they have the nerve to speak their mind; it's that they have
the nerve to decide what others should be able to read, even though
they haven't read it themselves.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295074 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 08:49 |
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drusilla wrote:
> From Mugglenet:
>
> "A few weeks ago we told you about the mother from Georgia, Laura
> Mallory, who campaigned to have the Harry Potter books removed from her
> children's school library, because - put short - they "promote and
> glorify witchcraft." After the Gwinnett Board of Education dismissed the
> case, Mallory appealed the decision, and... ugh, the Board has announced
> it will hold another hearing on October 3rd. If you're in the vicinity
> and can attend, please let the Board know how we feel about the situation".
On what basis is she appealing the decision? She didn't like it? I'd
like to think that the board would only hear the appeal if it was based
on some kind of procedural or interpretation error in the previous
hearing.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295075 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:02 |
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septithol wrote:
> Secondly, banning books is clearly contrary to the 1st amendment of the
> constitution.
But it's not. One can ban a book because it's obscene. No one would
think it stupid if someone wanted to ban a pornographic book from a
school library.
> The only way in which she would have a legal leg to stand
> on, is if she were to claim that since *Wicca* is a religion practiced
> by some people, including books which promote it in the library of a
> public school is a violation of seperation of church and state. In
> which case, the Potter books should be removed. Also, any books which
> could possibly be construed as promoting *other* religions, such as
> Christianity, should ALSO be removed. This will probably include most
> fiction books in existence. Ei, Tom Sawyer features an obviously
> Christian funeral scene. Out it goes!
Generally speaking, it is very difficult to get a *fiction* ban to stick
these days, based on religious content. It would have to be very
obviously promotional--much more promotional than Harry Potter is with
magic, even were magic real. (It's not?) The situation is different
with non-fiction; I think you could probably get a ban of a book that
promoted as the literal truth the religious fundamentalist point of
view.
> Thirdly, the issue would not exist at all, were it not for the fact
> that the government is vastly overstepping the authority given to it by
> the constitution by creating public schools in the first place, and
> pretty much financially forcing parents to send their children there by
> making them pay for the public schools regardless of whether they use
> them or not.
I'm not sure why this point is here, but it's not true. Public schools
are essentially funded by the states, not by the federal government, and
the states are not forbidden from establishing public schools, of
course. True, there are federal incentive programs that apply to public
schools, but that is true of just about every state program under the
sun, and it's not clear that it's unconstitutional unless you attend the
Strict Constructionist Ball each year. And if you do, you surely know
that the tenth amendment is only slowly being pulled back from the brink
where it's been for over a century--right? And the words "interstate
trade" surely strike terror into your heart, doesn't it? :-o
However, I don't want to get into a constitutional debate here. Clearly
you don't relish the thought of paying taxes into your public school
(wherever you are). Fine. But the point really isn't relevant here.
> Fourthly, she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. Since by her own
> admission, she has not read the Harry Potter books, she cannot make ANY
> statement about them, good or bad, without perjuring herself.
?!?!
She can make any statement she likes about them without perjuring
herself, unless she's under oath. And why would she put herself in that
position by testifying? Just let some other voice talk for you; it
seems she's only too ready to let other people read for her...
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295076 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:19 |
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Hoshisato schrieb:
> The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
>> We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
>> away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
>> set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them (..)
>
> That is what the Europeans did when they shipped the puritans to the
> colony that is now the USA :-)
I ve read that reasoning once before. I have to say: your are right.
Not that that makes it any better. The pope (right word? "Papst" in
German) isnt any better with his bullshit. Perhaps I simple dont
understand anybody who lets his religion get in the way of thinking
because I am too stupid, who knows.
And Bush isnt helping matters either. But I am getting offtopic so I
will stop my rant now :).
Greetz,
MK
--
Die eMail funzt, kann aber manchmal spinnen. Dann das Ganze an gmx.de
'kill me, that's just annoying, look at my friend oddly, I'll wear
your guts for garters.'
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295079 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:47 |
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:00:28 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
> From Mugglenet:
>
>"A few weeks ago we told you about the mother from Georgia, Laura
>Mallory,
I can't believe she was allowed to reproduce.
>who campaigned to have the Harry Potter books removed from her
>children's school library, because - put short - they "promote and
>glorify witchcraft."
No, they don't.
>After the Gwinnett Board of Education dismissed the
>case, Mallory appealed the decision, and... ugh, the Board has announced
>it will hold another hearing on October 3rd. If you're in the vicinity
>and can attend, please let the Board know how we feel about the situation".
A pointless waste of time.
>"A few months ago, mother-of-four Laura Mallory filed several complaints
>against all six Harry Potter books
Several per book? 4 kids and she has this much free time on her
hands?
>, saying they included "evil themes,
Trolerance, non prejudice, a hero who risks life and limb for others,
loves despite abuse, doesn't want to kill, and the books promote
reading and exercise through real life Quiddithc games. Darn that JK
Rowling. Darn, Darn her.
>witchcraft, demonic activity, murder, evil blood sacrifice, spells and
>teaching children all of this."
I defy her to define teaching.
>Even though *she hasn't read any of the
>books because they're "too long,"
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Guess anything longer than the back of the
cereal box confuses her.
>* she noted that it would be difficult
>for children to distinguish between the fantastical events in the books
>and real life,
Again, she was allowed to reproduce 4 times? Only she is too stupid
to know the difference. On an unrelated note, my Crucio Curse seems
to have no effect on her.
>and attempted to have them removed from school libraries
Will someone through the book at her? Preferably GOF or OOTP.
>in Gwinnett County. Although this is true to an extent,
Define true.
>the dark side of
>the books are portrayed in a bad light;
Dscrimination, people.
>no one thinks Voldemort's the
>hero.
Except the DE's. Oh wait, that's fantasy, not real life. I forgot.
Dang books are just too much like real life for any intelligent person
to tell the two apart.
>More importantly, Harry Potter teaches kids (and adults alike) how
>good can overcome evil.
NOOOOOO!
>Mallory appealed this decision on Friday, and the legal services
>division of the Georgia Department of Education will now determine the
>next step in this debate"
Institutionalization for Loser Girl Moron?
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295080 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:49 |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:54:59 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:
>"Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
>news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
>> drusilla schrieb:
>> [BS]
>>
>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
>> are only them.
>>
>>
>> Greetz,
>> MK
>
>We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
>away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
>set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them, and
>then at a time when we'd like to show off our power to some up-and-
>coming country that is rattling sabers, we nuke the island.
>
>Wash, rinse, repeat.
>
>Eventually both groups of people will get the message - to the
>idiots, get a clue and stop wasting our oxygen. To other groups who
>think they can bully the world and threaten war or terrorism - think
>again.
>
>Sorry.. people who bash books because it supposedly promotes
>one thing over another really torque me. I can understand and
>appreciate not wanting to read the books because you don't like
>fantasy or can't understand magic, or even think that because they're
>'children's' books they're beneath them. But to say they're something
>they're not is just idiotic.
>
>
>TME
>
Seriously, why support a book that tells you to destroy a book that
promotes literacy, exercise, and good values?
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295081 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:50 |
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:16:00 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Teen Titans
>are evil and should be cancelled*" or so, because other people like it.
Some did. They cancelled it :(
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295082 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:51 |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:38:17 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:
>If this country was split on 'witchcraft' then I would pause and say,
>"hmm". But this woman is clearly in the minority and should be
>locked up for mental incompetence, and her kids allowed to be
>adopted by HP loving, decent folk.
>
She's a Dursely. Get her kids to a Weasley, STAT!
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295083 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 09:53 |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:34:48 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>Maik Koenig wrote:
>
>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>> crazy are only them.
>
>From:
> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>
>"A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
>fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>"An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
>pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>"Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
>they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
>
>Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>
>Catherine Johnson.
Gee, maybe teach the kids why the Occult's bad would be more effective
than shielding them from a possibility they'll seek it out on their
own. No wait, that'd actually work.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295085 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 12:44 |
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On 2006-07-02 22:54:59 -0400, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at] comcastic!> said:
> "Maik Koenig" <mkngs [at] usenet.cnntp.org> wrote in message
> news:e89udi.2qk.1 [at] news.daufahnder.gmxhome.de...
>> drusilla schrieb:
>> [BS]
>>
>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>> crazy are only them.
>>
>>
>> Greetz,
>> MK
>
> We here in the States really wish people like this would go the hell
> away and leave the rest of us with common sense alone. We can
> set up a nice island somewhere where noone will bother them, and
> then at a time when we'd like to show off our power to some up-and-
> coming country that is rattling sabers, we nuke the island.
>
> Wash, rinse, repeat.
>
> Eventually both groups of people will get the message - to the
> idiots, get a clue and stop wasting our oxygen. To other groups who
> think they can bully the world and threaten war or terrorism - think
> again.
>
> Sorry.. people who bash books because it supposedly promotes
> one thing over another really torque me. I can understand and
> appreciate not wanting to read the books because you don't like
> fantasy or can't understand magic, or even think that because they're
> 'children's' books they're beneath them. But to say they're something
> they're not is just idiotic.
>
>
> TME
I don't think we have anything to worry about. There are nuts
in just about every corner of the world.
Just because the appeal is being considered doesn't mean
it's going anywhere. I think she will lose.
--
Enjoy,
Zolak of Twylo
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother. . .the ten reasons? ? [message #295086 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 13:21 |
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drusilla wrote:
", , the support for the books remaining in school libraries was so
strong that hearing officer Su Ellen Bray offered ten reasons why they
shouldn't be removed. . ."
Does anybody have a copy of the ten reasons?
-J
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295099 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 19:55 |
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Toon escribió:
> On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:16:00 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>
>> Teen Titans
>> are evil and should be cancelled*" or so, because other people like it.
>
> Some did. They cancelled it :(
really? LOL, it was just a random guess :)
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295100 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 19:52 |
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Here we go again.
Some loving and caring mother doesn't want her kids exposed to HP. She's
just the latest in a very long line of people who've been down this road.
According to the American Library Association (ALA), the Harry Potter series
has pretty much topped the list for the most challenged books since the late
1990's. In 2002, there were 515 challenges filed to the ALA. It has been
challenged in over a dozen state courts, and countless schools and
libraries. Those issuing the challenges believe that the books promotes
witchcraft and the occult and goes against Christian values. I guess part of
that is accurate because I've wanted to know how to cast spells ever since I
was eight and playing Dungeons and Dragons. My personal favourite excuse
for banning books comes from Berit Kjos, a Christian author who says books
like Harry Potter confuse kids because, and I quote, "noting that children
today are more vulnerable to fantasy stories such as Harry Potter because
they may view the imaginary world as much more fun compared with the real
world."
The imaginary world is more fun that the real world...hmmm. Go figure. This
argument has been going on for decades. The same group of people tried to
get Dungeons and Dragons pulled from store shelves in the late 70s (gawd, I'm
old) for the exact same reasons as the HP series. And after J.K. Rowling is
done, they'll focus their attention on something else. The only thing we
can do is stand up for ourselves and show that people who want to ban books
like this are seriously out of touch with reality.
Ken
"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e89m91$fds$1 [at] nntp.aioe.org...
> From Mugglenet:
>
> "A few weeks ago we told you about the mother from Georgia, Laura Mallory,
> who campaigned to have the Harry Potter books removed from her children's
> school library, because - put short - they "promote and glorify
> witchcraft." After the Gwinnett Board of Education dismissed the case,
> Mallory appealed the decision, and... ugh, the Board has announced it will
> hold another hearing on October 3rd. If you're in the vicinity and can
> attend, please let the Board know how we feel about the situation".
>
> The previous news about was:
>
> "A few months ago, mother-of-four Laura Mallory filed several complaints
> against all six Harry Potter books, saying they included "evil themes,
> witchcraft, demonic activity, murder, evil blood sacrifice, spells and
> teaching children all of this." Even though *she hasn't read any of the
> books because they're "too long,"* she noted that it would be difficult
> for children to distinguish between the fantastical events in the books
> and real life, and attempted to have them removed from school libraries in
> Gwinnett County. Although this is true to an extent, the dark side of the
> books are portrayed in a bad light; no one thinks Voldemort's the hero.
> More importantly, Harry Potter teaches kids (and adults alike) how good
> can overcome evil.
>
> On April 20th, scores of educators, parents and students showed their
> support for the books in a public hearing, and both the local school and
> system media committees concurred. In fact, the support for the books
> remaining in school libraries was so strong that hearing officer Su Ellen
> Bray offered ten reasons why they shouldn't be removed and on May 11th,
> the Gwinnett Board of Education voted that the novels should stay.
>
> Mallory appealed this decision on Friday, and the legal services division
> of the Georgia Department of Education will now determine the next step in
> this debate"
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295102 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 20:08 |
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Maik Koenig wrote:
> drusilla schrieb:
> [BS]
>
> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
> are only them.
>
>
> Greetz,
> MK
1 - Crazy wasn't invented in the US. There are LOTS of examples of
craziness in Europe that date back long before they (The Europeans)
brought some of it here.
2 - Just the fact that such a subject can get a PUBLIC hearing - where
people from both sides can express their opinions and come to a
reasonable conclusion is what the US is. It is not a place where ONE
person can force her misguided opinions on others unopposed.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295103 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 20:31 |
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Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> Maik Koenig wrote:
>
>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>> crazy are only them.
>
> From:
> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>
> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
> fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
> pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
> they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
>
> Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Calm down. See, those are good examples, but as I said, mostly of them I
read about or that get more press come from USA. As a person who doesn't
live there, I often hear other people that did laugh about this
situations that apparently, only happens in the 'crazy USA' (although
thankfully I know quote good parents). It's not only the image that 'USA
wants to control the world', now it's also the place where 'parents want
their governments to raise their children instead of them' and want the
job of being a parent to get easier by it.
IICR, there was an episode of Desperate Housewives (I think) when a
mother want to change the end of a tale because it was too dark for
kids. My friends who have children found it hilarious and completely
unbelievable. For instance, my kid have a tale books who shows a naked
couple in bed (I think is the LiIttle mermaid); I suppose this mother
had sued the whole editorial for showing 'pornography'. I think this is
in fact a case of overprotection: kids can manage darkness and mature
situations better than people think.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295105 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 20:37 |
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Karnak17 escribió:
> The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
>
>> Exactly, Drusilla. Don't go forcing your opinions on some matter onto
>> me when you're clearly in the minority. Take some responsibility
>> for raising your child instead of trying to change the state's laws or
>> the country's laws just to benefit your little 'cause'. It torques me to
>> no end to see a handful of people bitch and moan about something
>> and then try to get the gov't to change it when they are so alone on
>> the subject that it's not even funny. It's a waste of time, money and
>> our precious oxygen!! Have some responsibility too - is your kid
>> fat? Tell him to stop eating the snacks and go run around outside,
>> percolate some of that lard off dammit.
>
> Parents have a right to input on which books are chosen for school
> libraries, and a right to object if junk food is provided in schools,
> or if safety standards in schools are not met. You rattle on about
> being a responsible parent -- but that is PART of what makes a
> responsible parent. Getting involved in that sort of thing.
>
> The only issue any of us can or should have with this woman is that she
> doesn't like Harry Potter -- and is therefore clearly insane. But
> since she DOES, for whatever reason, think the books are HARMFUL to
> children, then getting involved in the school system to try to remove
> them is her right and her duty.
But wouldn't be more responsible to try to illustrate their children
about why their are 'dangerous'? What about the other kids who do have
sane parents and want to read HP? Get involved is not saying 'ban
everything that is against my beliefs', it's to get her job to get easier.
>
> If _I_ thought that the schools were including pornography in their
> libraries, or Mad Cow Beef in their school lunches, or hadn't paved
> their pavements in several decades leading to several bad accidents, I
> too would have the obligation to get involved. And so would you. As
> long as this Majority you speak of takes their jobs as parents as
> seriously as the minority nutcases do, they won't have a problem.
Agree.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295107 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 20:39 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>> Maik Koenig wrote:
>>
>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>>> crazy are only them.
>>
>> From:
>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>>
>> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise
>> over fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it
>> could draw pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms
>> for fear that they may encourage children to experiment with the
>> occult." Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>
> Calm down.
Why? Maik insulted 300 million people with his little comment. I should
just shut up and let him get away with it?
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"At least some oboe player got a paycheck out of all this horse hockey..."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295111 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 21:04 |
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Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>
>> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>>> Maik Koenig wrote:
>>>
>>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>>>> crazy are only them.
>>> From:
>>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>>>
>>> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise
>>> over fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>>> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it
>>> could draw pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>>> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms
>>> for fear that they may encourage children to experiment with the
>>> occult." Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>> Calm down.
>
> Why? Maik insulted 300 million people with his little comment. I should
> just shut up and let him get away with it?
Nope. And I understand what you feel, as peruvians are treated like all
of them are thieves in countries like Chile and Argentina just because
some of them are thieves and kidnappers.. Whatsoever, I am not, and I am
sure that if you got kids, you wouldn't be like this mother we are
talkign about.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295112 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 21:16 |
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"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e89m91$fds$1 [at] nntp.aioe.org...
> From Mugglenet:
>
> "A few months ago, mother-of-four Laura Mallory filed several complaints
> against all six Harry Potter books, saying they included "evil themes,
> witchcraft, demonic activity, murder, evil blood sacrifice, spells and
> teaching children all of this." Even though *she hasn't read any of the
> books because they're "too long,"*
She hasn't read them because they're too long??!! Thas says so much about
her right there. Maybe someone should send her the Clif Notes.
Kenny
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295113 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 21:29 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Karnak17 escribi=F3:
> > The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
> >
> >> Exactly, Drusilla. Don't go forcing your opinions on some matter onto
> >> me when you're clearly in the minority. Take some responsibility
> >> for raising your child instead of trying to change the state's laws or
> >> the country's laws just to benefit your little 'cause'. It torques me =
to
> >> no end to see a handful of people bitch and moan about something
> >> and then try to get the gov't to change it when they are so alone on
> >> the subject that it's not even funny. It's a waste of time, money and
> >> our precious oxygen!! Have some responsibility too - is your kid
> >> fat? Tell him to stop eating the snacks and go run around outside,
> >> percolate some of that lard off dammit.
> >
> > Parents have a right to input on which books are chosen for school
> > libraries, and a right to object if junk food is provided in schools,
> > or if safety standards in schools are not met. You rattle on about
> > being a responsible parent -- but that is PART of what makes a
> > responsible parent. Getting involved in that sort of thing.
> >
> > The only issue any of us can or should have with this woman is that she
> > doesn't like Harry Potter -- and is therefore clearly insane. But
> > since she DOES, for whatever reason, think the books are HARMFUL to
> > children, then getting involved in the school system to try to remove
> > them is her right and her duty.
>
> But wouldn't be more responsible to try to illustrate their children
> about why their are 'dangerous'? What about the other kids who do have
> sane parents and want to read HP? Get involved is not saying 'ban
> everything that is against my beliefs', it's to get her job to get easier.
> >
> > If _I_ thought that the schools were including pornography in their
> > libraries, or Mad Cow Beef in their school lunches, or hadn't paved
> > their pavements in several decades leading to several bad accidents, I
> > too would have the obligation to get involved. And so would you. As
> > long as this Majority you speak of takes their jobs as parents as
> > seriously as the minority nutcases do, they won't have a problem.
> Agree.
Unfortunately, there are times when the vocal minority severely
overshadows the silent majority, with the result being a hurricane
instead of a tropical depression, depending on who's the "flavor of the
month" or what's the "cause celeb" at the time. There will always be
people who try and use the legal system to their personal advantage
which is their absolute right to invoke in America.
This whole fiasco is wrong on so many levels. Even though I am 100%
opposed to Laura Mallory's actions, I would at least have a small
amount of respect for her if she had read the books, and what is sad,
is that many of the objections raised in the past over HP have
originated with people who again, did not read the books.
It's the age old problem of people thinking that they know what's best
for you, and it's also a newer problem of parents' abdication of their
responsibilities. In today's society it's so much easier to stroke
one's conscience by placing the blame and burden on others.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295115 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 21:44 |
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Fish Eye no Miko [fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus] said
> Maik Koenig wrote:
>
> > There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
> > crazy are only them.
>
> From:
> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>
> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
> fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
Difference here is that it is about a person choosing what they do or
don't want to sell in their own private shop, and a singular incident
reported 5 years ago is hardly an affront to British democracy. :-)
And of course some shops won't sell toy guns or Action Man (GI Joe?).
> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
> pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
This attempt to ban the book was from a "Slavic cultural organisation";
they lost.
> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
> they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
And this one is about a ban in a religious school. The school in the
article says they have received no complaints from children or parents
and it goes on to say that the other schools who have banned the book
are the 60 Australian Seventh-Day Adventist schools of the headline.
A bunch of religious zealots the lot of them, and they are
indoctrinating their children and there is nothing any one else can do
about it - a good example this one of what many people in the USA are
fighting against. :-(
> Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
So, the woman in the USA in contrast is trying to ban a book from a
_library_, in a country where religion is banned from the school system,
because it is at odds with *her* personal belief and you think people
should "shut the fuck up"?
Trying to get a book banned for everyone because it is against an
individual personal belief is simply wrong and is akin to a Jew trying
to ban the New Testament or a Catholic, the Koran or a Muslim, The
Satanic Verses.
It is indefensible.... as is your suggestion.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295116 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 21:47 |
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Thom Madura [Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net] said
> Maik Koenig wrote:
>
> > drusilla schrieb:
> > [BS]
> >
> > There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So crazy
> > are only them.
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> > MK
>
> 1 - Crazy wasn't invented in the US. There are LOTS of examples of
> craziness in Europe that date back long before they (The Europeans)
> brought some of it here.
>
> 2 - Just the fact that such a subject can get a PUBLIC hearing - where
> people from both sides can express their opinions and come to a
> reasonable conclusion is what the US is. It is not a place where ONE
> person can force her misguided opinions on others unopposed.
>
Unless your name is George W Bush....
But we have that problem here too. :-(
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295118 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 22:37 |
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drusilla [me [at] me.net] said
> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> > Maik Koenig wrote:
> >
> >> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
> >> crazy are only them.
> >
> > From:
> > http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
> >
> > "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
> > fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
> > "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
> > pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
> > "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
> > they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
> >
> > Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
> >
> > Catherine Johnson.
>
> Calm down. See, those are good examples, but as I said, mostly of them I
> read about or that get more press come from USA. As a person who doesn't
> live there, I often hear other people that did laugh about this
> situations that apparently, only happens in the 'crazy USA' (although
> thankfully I know quote good parents). It's not only the image that 'USA
> wants to control the world', now it's also the place where 'parents want
> their governments to raise their children instead of them' and want the
> job of being a parent to get easier by it.
Actually I think some of us see the USA as a place were fundamental
Christianity wants to raise your children, and is already in some states
it seems, so that they can then march along behind the USA war machine
as it liberates the world and "educates" it to accept its own particular
flavour of democracy and freedom and religion.
And what with fundamental Islam wanting to teach the world the exact
same lesson, it is all a bit unnerving. :-/
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295119 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 22:44 |
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Fish Eye no Miko [fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus] said
> drusilla wrote:
>
> > Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> >> Maik Koenig wrote:
> >>
> >>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
> >>> crazy are only them.
> >>
> >> From:
> >> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
> >>
> >> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise
> >> over fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
> >> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it
> >> could draw pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
> >> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms
> >> for fear that they may encourage children to experiment with the
> >> occult." Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
> >
> > Calm down.
>
> Why? Maik insulted 300 million people with his little comment. I should
> just shut up and let him get away with it?
But Europe *does* laugh at America - that is a plain fact.
It is scared shitless of it too of course but, if you can put that to
the back of your mind for a minute, the USA is pretty damn funny and the
reason you, as an example American, has a problem with that might go
some way to explain both the hilarity *and* our fear.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295121 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 22:57 |
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pooter escribió:
> drusilla [me [at] me.net] said
>> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>>> Maik Koenig wrote:
>>>
>>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US. So
>>>> crazy are only them.
>>> From:
>>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>>>
>>> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise over
>>> fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>>> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it could draw
>>> pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>>> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms for fear that
>>> they may encourage children to experiment with the occult."
>>>
>>> Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>>>
>>> Catherine Johnson.
>> Calm down. See, those are good examples, but as I said, mostly of them I
>> read about or that get more press come from USA. As a person who doesn't
>> live there, I often hear other people that did laugh about this
>> situations that apparently, only happens in the 'crazy USA' (although
>> thankfully I know quote good parents). It's not only the image that 'USA
>> wants to control the world', now it's also the place where 'parents want
>> their governments to raise their children instead of them' and want the
>> job of being a parent to get easier by it.
>
> Actually I think some of us see the USA as a place were fundamental
> Christianity wants to raise your children, and is already in some states
> it seems, so that they can then march along behind the USA war machine
> as it liberates the world and "educates" it to accept its own particular
> flavour of democracy and freedom and religion.
Which is in some way weird, as Peru is, AFAIK, 90% religious and 75%
catolic. Yet, no one here has tried to impose their religious ideas over
the rest since centuries ago. Those who have tried, we laugh at them.
Even when the Catholic Church is closest to the Government than any
other country, they have their opinions, those are respected but can't
be an influence. The same about schools, which all of them have Religion
as a basic subject since Pre-School.
I've been in catholic school and we were allowed to read what we wanted
by oir final year, as a project. I read Dracula and the nuns liked my
poster, because it had a real silver cross glued at it :) (it was very
very cool!)
> And what with fundamental Islam wanting to teach the world the exact
> same lesson, it is all a bit unnerving. :-/
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295124 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 23:20 |
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pooter wrote:
> Fish Eye no Miko [fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus] said
>> drusilla wrote:
>>> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>>>> Maik Koenig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US.
>>>>> So crazy are only them.
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>>>>
>>>> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise
>>>> over fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>>>> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it
>>>> could draw pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>>>> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms
>>>> for fear that they may encourage children to experiment with the
>>>> occult." Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>>>
>>> Calm down.
>>
>> Why? Maik insulted 300 million people with his little comment. I
>> should just shut up and let him get away with it?
>
> But Europe *does* laugh at America - that is a plain fact.
And if that was the specific comment I was replying to, you'd have a point.
What I was replying to specifically was, "So crazy are only them."
BTW, a lot of AMERICANS laugh at America, too. Possibly as much as, if not
more than, anyone else.
> It is scared shitless of it too of course but, if you can put that
> to the back of your mind for a minute, the USA is pretty damn
> funny
True, we are. But then, every country has its "WTF?" aspect. Ever seen
some of the stuff coming out of Japan?
> and the reason you, as an example American, has a problem with that
Again, that's not the part I have a problem with.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
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| Re: "Anti-Potter mother's appeal considered" [message #295125 ] |
Mon, 03 July 2006 23:13 |
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Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> pooter wrote:
>
>> Fish Eye no Miko [fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus] said
>>> drusilla wrote:
>>>> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>>>>> Maik Koenig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There you see why europeans often laugh about people in the US.
>>>>>> So crazy are only them.
>>>>> From:
>>>>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=Harry+Po tter+ban&x=0&y=0&scope=all&edition=i&tab =all&recipe=all
>>>>>
>>>>> "A UK toy shop chain is refusing to sell Harry Potter merchandise
>>>>> over fears it could lead children to explore the occult."
>>>>> "An attempt to ban the Harry Potter novels in Russia, because it
>>>>> could draw pupils to the occult, has been rejected."
>>>>> "Harry Potter books are banned from 60 Australian classrooms
>>>>> for fear that they may encourage children to experiment with the
>>>>> occult." Now, how about a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?
>>>> Calm down.
>>> Why? Maik insulted 300 million people with his little comment. I
>>> should just shut up and let him get away with it?
>> But Europe *does* laugh at America - that is a plain fact.
>
> And if that was the specific comment I was replying to, you'd have a point.
> What I was replying to specifically was, "So crazy are only them."
> BTW, a lot of AMERICANS laugh at America, too. Possibly as much as, if not
> more than, anyone else.
>
>> It is scared shitless of it too of course but, if you can put that
>> to the back of your mind for a minute, the USA is pretty damn
>> funny
>
> True, we are. But then, every country has its "WTF?" aspect. Ever seen
> some of the stuff coming out of Japan?
>
>> and the reason you, as an example American, has a problem with that
>
> Again, that's not the part I have a problem with.
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Ok, Ok... before another funny/not-funny situation starts... we the
world do laugh at *some* aspects of USA, like this lovely mother who is
nuts and their president (which provide more entertainment that your
sit-coms). Not only in Europe: down here do as well. Yet, there still
people who is in their senses, many afh-p are a good example of it,
because they are open minded and TOLERANT.
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