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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World
| Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #294976] |
Sa, 01 Juli 2006 07:44 |
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>From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor. Yet it
seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards would fail to
actually check for parentage. But then again, the biggest muggle
hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so I guess they just
overlook certain cases?
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #294977 ] |
Sa, 01 Juli 2006 08:05 |
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In article <1151732680.196417.39220 [at] h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<SuperNerdGirl [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
>wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
>a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
>the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
>inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
I think it could be done.
There have been a few runaways, such as Andromeda and even Eileen Prince,
who married muggles. Sirius moved out at sixteen. It could conceivably
happen that a rebellious pureblood married another rebellious pureblood
and neither of them ever bothered to notify their parents. If they also
moved to France, their offspring might have attended Beauxbatons - but
if they were killed by a random DE, the orphan might have been raised by
muggles. From what little we know, the magic quill doesn't record the
parentage, just the name and location. Now suppose someone who is
muggle-born wants to fake magical background. Find the records of such
a pair of runaways, who perhaps never met or had a child, use a spell
to shapechange until you resemble them, fake a birth certificate and a
story of their meeting, and there you are: muggle-raised offspring of
a pair of purebloods.
It would be harder to do without the shapechanging to prevent people
from recognizing you.
> For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
>purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
>surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
>never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
>aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
>therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor.
Generally I think the polite standard is 'Don't ask, don't tell'.
How pure is 'pure enough' probably depends on exactly who else is in
the room at the time. If there's a Malfoy (or a Longbottom), then
it's nine generations or better. If the purest-blooded person in
the room is only third-generation, then that's the unspoken standard.
For all practical purposes, if you have magic, that's enough. It
probably only matters to the kind of people who choose who gets
served tea first according to social ranking of their career.
> Yet it seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards
>would fail to actually check for parentage. But then again, the
>biggest muggle hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so
>I guess they just overlook certain cases?
Yes. I think JKR said something of the kind. IIRC she even implied
that in certain cases, a muggle-born might be allowed to be a DE,
but I'm not absolutely certain.
Among DEs, the final arbiter is always Voldemort. If he says you're
in, you're in, and nobody brings up ancestry, at least not in front
of the boss.
=Tamar
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #294985 ] |
Sa, 01 Juli 2006 13:35 |
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In article <12ac45pll7qcr5a [at] corp.supernews.com>, dicconf [at] radix.net
(Richard Eney) wrote:
>In article <1151732680.196417.39220 [at] h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> <SuperNerdGirl [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>>From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
>>wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
>>a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
>>the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
>>inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
>
>I think it could be done.
>
>There have been a few runaways, such as Andromeda and even Eileen Prince,
>who married muggles. Sirius moved out at sixteen. It could conceivably
>happen that a rebellious pureblood married another rebellious pureblood
>and neither of them ever bothered to notify their parents. If they also
>moved to France, their offspring might have attended Beauxbatons - but
>if they were killed by a random DE, the orphan might have been raised by
>muggles. From what little we know, the magic quill doesn't record the
>parentage, just the name and location. Now suppose someone who is
>muggle-born wants to fake magical background. Find the records of such
>a pair of runaways, who perhaps never met or had a child, use a spell
>to shapechange until you resemble them, fake a birth certificate and a
>story of their meeting, and there you are: muggle-raised offspring of
>a pair of purebloods.
>
>It would be harder to do without the shapechanging to prevent people
>from recognizing you.
>
>> For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
>>purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
>>surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
>>never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
>>aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
>>therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor.
>
>Generally I think the polite standard is 'Don't ask, don't tell'.
>
>How pure is 'pure enough' probably depends on exactly who else is in
>the room at the time. If there's a Malfoy (or a Longbottom), then
>it's nine generations or better. If the purest-blooded person in
>the room is only third-generation, then that's the unspoken standard.
>For all practical purposes, if you have magic, that's enough. It
>probably only matters to the kind of people who choose who gets
>served tea first according to social ranking of their career.
>
>> Yet it seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards
>>would fail to actually check for parentage. But then again, the
>>biggest muggle hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so
>>I guess they just overlook certain cases?
>
>Yes. I think JKR said something of the kind. IIRC she even implied
>that in certain cases, a muggle-born might be allowed to be a DE,
>but I'm not absolutely certain.
>
>Among DEs, the final arbiter is always Voldemort. If he says you're
>in, you're in, and nobody brings up ancestry, at least not in front
>of the boss.
Even Hitler protected a few people with Jewish blood saying something like
"I decide who is a Jew or not.".
--
Chris
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #295013 ] |
So, 02 Juli 2006 07:05 |
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On 30 Jun 2006 22:44:40 -0700, SuperNerdGirl [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
>wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
>a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
>the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
>inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
> For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
>purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
>surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
>never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
>aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
>therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor. Yet it
>seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards would fail to
>actually check for parentage. But then again, the biggest muggle
>hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so I guess they just
>overlook certain cases?
I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
far away land, and claim he's from there.
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #297741 ] |
Sa, 08 Juli 2006 13:08 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> SuperNerdGirl wrote:
>> From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
>> wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
>> a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
>> the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
>> inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
>> For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
>> purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
>> surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
>> never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
>> aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
>> therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor. Yet it
>> seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards would fail to
>> actually check for parentage. But then again, the biggest muggle
>> hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so I guess they just
>> overlook certain cases?
> I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
> far away land, and claim he's from there.
I think the purebloods know a few people in Scotland, too...
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #297770 ] |
Sa, 08 Juli 2006 21:30 |
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Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
> Car Toon wrote:
>
>> I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
>> far away land, and claim he's from there.
>
> I think the purebloods know a few people in Scotland, too...
As well as Wales and Ireland, maybe even a good part of the rest
of Europe.
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #297802 ] |
So, 09 Juli 2006 10:09 |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:08:13 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>Car Toon wrote:
>
>> SuperNerdGirl wrote:
>
>>> From the books and previous threads we've ascertained that the
>>> wizarding population of Britain is very small--only a few thousand--and
>>> a significant number of wizarding families have intermarried through
>>> the generations. This makes me wonder: how then, in such a small,
>>> inbred population, can someone get away with faking pureblood heritage?
>>> For example, it was Snape's father who was a muggle; surely one of the
>>> purebloods must have recognized that Snape wasn't an old, pureblood
>>> surname and questioned Severus' heritage, or pointed out that they've
>>> never met Severus' family. As Hermione pointed out in HBP, there
>>> aren't enough pure wizards left to keep the wizarding world going,
>>> therefore a lot of people would have a recent muggle ancestor. Yet it
>>> seems unlikely in this situation that the purity wizards would fail to
>>> actually check for parentage. But then again, the biggest muggle
>>> hating baddy of the serious is a half-blood, so I guess they just
>>> overlook certain cases?
>
>> I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
>> far away land, and claim he's from there.
>
>I think the purebloods know a few people in Scotland, too...
>
He can be from Hareebakistan.
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #297803 ] |
So, 09 Juli 2006 10:10 |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:30:06 GMT, Mark Evans
<mpe [at] anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>> Car Toon wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
>>> far away land, and claim he's from there.
>>
>> I think the purebloods know a few people in Scotland, too...
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>As well as Wales and Ireland, maybe even a good part of the rest
>of Europe.
Not grasping the concept of far away, are you guys?
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| Re: Faking Heritage in the Wizarding World [message #300138 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:43 |
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Mark Evans wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>> Car Toon wrote:
>>> I doubt they know anyone outside of England. All snape needs is some
>>> far away land, and claim he's from there.
>> I think the purebloods know a few people in Scotland, too...
> As well as Wales and Ireland, maybe even a good part of the rest
> of Europe.
Absolutely, but I was making a point about the location of Hogwarts.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
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