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Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293043] Do, 29 Juni 2006 12:43
Deevo  
Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
death bed surrounded by his decendants.

Just a thought anyway.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293046 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 13:49
DM  
Deevo wrote:
> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>
> Just a thought anyway.

Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.

BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.

<ducks pooter's cavil>

He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
self-sacrifice.

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Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293061 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 16:06
Magic_mom  
"DM" <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote in message
news:B7Pog.3926$4c7.2323 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> Deevo wrote:
>> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>
>> Just a thought anyway.
>
> Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
> going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
>
> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>
> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>
> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
> self-sacrifice.
>
> --
> DM

But ONLY AFTER he gets to kill Bellatrix or turn her into a pile of
whimpering blobbering mush!! We cannot take that away from Neville!

M_m
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293097 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 21:14
PersonX99  
Neville or Luna could possibly die, but I hope it is neither. At least
not before Neville transfigures Bellatrix into a heap of boobertuber
puss.

Magic_Mom wrote:
> "DM" <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:B7Pog.3926$4c7.2323 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> > Deevo wrote:
> >> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> >> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> >> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
> >>
> >> Just a thought anyway.
> >
> > Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
> > going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
> >
> > BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
> >
> > <ducks pooter's cavil>
> >
> > He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
> > self-sacrifice.
> >
> > --
> > DM
>
> But ONLY AFTER he gets to kill Bellatrix or turn her into a pile of
> whimpering blobbering mush!! We cannot take that away from Neville!
>
> M_m
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293103 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 22:32
DUH  
DM wrote:
> Deevo wrote:
> > Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> > epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> > death bed surrounded by his decendants.
> >
> > Just a thought anyway.
>
> Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
> going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
>
> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>
> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>
> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
> self-sacrifice.

I think Nearly Headless Nick and the Bloody Baron will be the ones to
die. Or is that the prequel.
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293125 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 02:11
morbiusatwork  
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:06:56 -0600, "Magic_Mom"
<nofreakinway [at] yeahright.com> wrote:
>"DM" <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:B7Pog.3926$4c7.2323 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>> Deevo wrote:
>>> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>>> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>>> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>>
>>> Just a thought anyway.
>>
>> Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
>> going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
>>
>> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>>
>> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>>
>> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>> self-sacrifice.

>
>But ONLY AFTER he gets to kill Bellatrix or turn her into a pile of
>whimpering blobbering mush!! We cannot take that away from Neville!

I feel that there are two important tasks for Neville in the next
book. One, of course, is that he should get to take out dear Ms
Bella. My hope for the other task being Neville's saving Snape's
worthless ass. Snape with a life-debt to Neville makes me chuckle.
>
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Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293132 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 03:34
Magic_mom  
"Pip R. Lagenta" <morbiusatwork [at] comcast.net> wrote in message !
>
> I feel that there are two important tasks for Neville in the next
> book. One, of course, is that he should get to take out dear Ms
> Bella. My hope for the other task being Neville's saving Snape's
> worthless ass. Snape with a life-debt to Neville makes me chuckle.
>>
> --
> ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø ,
> Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta
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>

Hmmm.. that is one I hadn't thought of but would be worth a laugh. But I
think, it should be Harry who saves him... just think: Snape gets to spend
the rest of his life in debt to TWO Potters for saving his life.

M_m
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293150 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 07:35
dicconf  
In article <1151613144.641065.65750 [at] d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
duh <nodamnspamok [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>DM wrote:

>> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>>
>> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>>
>> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>> self-sacrifice.
>
>I think Nearly Headless Nick and the Bloody Baron will be the ones to
>die. Or is that the prequel.

NHN ought to die, but would that make it too much like the
Canterville Ghost? It's exactly the same theme.

Maybe instead of dying: since we know some kinds of magic can affect
ghosts, maybe NHN will finally be beheaded, and he'l be able to join
the Headless Hunt - or snub them, having realized they're a bunch of
snobs.

=Tamar
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293157 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 09:39
Toon  
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:49:53 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:

>BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.

>He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>self-sacrifice.

He'd better take out Bellatrix with him.
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293158 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 09:40
Toon  
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:06:56 -0600, "Magic_Mom"
<nofreakinway [at] yeahright.com> wrote:

>
>But ONLY AFTER he gets to kill Bellatrix or turn her into a pile of
>whimpering blobbering mush!! We cannot take that away from Neville!
>
>M_m
>

Darn tooting. he doesn't have to kill her, just inspire fear and
great pain in her. So she's always looking over he shoulder in fear
that Neville will be there.
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #293159 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 09:41
Toon  
On 29 Jun 2006 13:32:24 -0700, "duh" <nodamnspamok [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>DM wrote:
>> Deevo wrote:
>> > Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>> > epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>> > death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>> >
>> > Just a thought anyway.
>>
>> Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
>> going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
>>
>> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>>
>> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>>
>> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>> self-sacrifice.
>
>I think Nearly Headless Nick and the Bloody Baron will be the ones to
>die. Or is that the prequel.

I hear Nick almost gets his head chopped off.
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #294917 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 21:49
aaron  
DM wrote:
> Deevo wrote:
> > Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> > epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> > death bed surrounded by his decendants.
> >
> > Just a thought anyway.
>
> Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
> going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.

You mean, "if he's going to die in the book" right? Because, he's going
to die, right? You just don't want to read about it if it is from old
age, right?

I'm with you there.

I think Harry should NOT die, but if he IS a Horcrux, then 1. JKR
better explain how he became one well and 2. She better explain how he
doesn't die well, too.

> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.

But there are only two deaths now in book 7! Will his be significant
enough? =)

> <ducks pooter's cavil>

*hides behind overturned table*

> DM

-Aaron
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #294927 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 23:17
drusilla  
Richard Eney escribió:
> In article <1151613144.641065.65750 [at] d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> duh <nodamnspamok [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> DM wrote:
>
>>> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>>>
>>> <ducks pooter's cavil>
>>>
>>> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>>> self-sacrifice.
>> I think Nearly Headless Nick and the Bloody Baron will be the ones to
>> die. Or is that the prequel.
>
> NHN ought to die, but would that make it too much like the
> Canterville Ghost? It's exactly the same theme.
>
> Maybe instead of dying: since we know some kinds of magic can affect
> ghosts, maybe NHN will finally be beheaded, and he'l be able to join
> the Headless Hunt - or snub them, having realized they're a bunch of
> snobs.
>
> =Tamar

I hope is the second one: he's way better than them :P
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #294931 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 23:26
drusilla  
Toon escribió:
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:49:53 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>
>> He is going to have to prove his Gryffindor worth and does so with
>> self-sacrifice.
>
> He'd better take out Bellatrix with him.

I don't see Neville killing her. Perhaps he might somehow, some way use
some herbs to brew a potion that would include her as an ingredient, in
order to get sanity back to his parents, which will let Bella crazy(er)
for the rest of her life.
(What? At least I'm not saying she's a Horcrux...)
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #294946 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 00:20
Thomas Madura  
Aaron wrote:
> DM wrote:
>
>>Deevo wrote:
>>
>>>Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>>>epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>>>death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>>
>>>Just a thought anyway.
>>
>>Gawd, I hope not. That sounds like the "Raising Arizona" ending. If he's
>>going to die, let him die young and courageously, in the midst of battle.
>
>
> You mean, "if he's going to die in the book" right? Because, he's going
> to die, right? You just don't want to read about it if it is from old
> age, right?

I even posted the same "epilogue" here almost 4 years ago with Harry
dying after a long life. I don't think that is a problem at all as long
as the Battle with V is written well and interesting. When Harry
survives the Battle and Vanquishes V - a simple paragraph with some idea
of what the main characters left did with their lives will close off the
story somewhat.

While Killing Harry would be the best way to assure that Book 7 is the
last Harry Potter Book - I still do not believe it will be done this way.


>
> I'm with you there.
>
> I think Harry should NOT die, but if he IS a Horcrux, then 1. JKR
> better explain how he became one well and 2. She better explain how he
> doesn't die well, too.
>
>
>>BTW, I've decide Neville is one of the two who dies.
>
>
> But there are only two deaths now in book 7!

You will need more than an overturned table to protect you from this one.


Will his be significant
> enough? =)
>

However - JKR has already said(For the most part) that Neville would
become a teacher at Hogwarts AFTERWARDS so Neville isn't the one.


>
>><ducks pooter's cavil>
>
>
> *hides behind overturned table*
>
>
>>DM
>
>
> -Aaron
>
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #295041 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 22:42
eggplant107  
Deevo wrote:
> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> death bed surrounded by his decendants.

I once had a rather similar thought and wrote a little story about it.
By the way I notice you are in western Australia, I've looked on the
globe and that means you and I are as far apart as it's possible to
be and still reman on planet Earth. The internet is great!
====

I thought it was a joke at first and almost tossed the note into the
fire. It claimed that Harry Potter, a man notorious for not talking a
reporter in well over a century, wanted to be interviewed and even more
ridiculous it said he wanted me, just another failed author who drank a
bit too much, to do it. Writers like me are a dime a dozen, I figured
there was no way a great man like Harry Potter would single me out. For
the fun of it I made a few inquires to find out which of my friends was
playing a silly prank on me when I discovered with shock that it was no
joke. Professor Potter really did want an interview and he specifically
requested me, of all people, to do it.

At first my thoughts were joyful; this could restart my declining
career as an old fashioned hard news journalist and war correspondent
in a world that preferred sensationalism and celebrity gossip. My
feeling of ecstasy didn't last long however, when the reality of the
situation started to sink in I felt nothing but pure blind mindless
panic. It wasn't as though I hadn't interviewed important people
before, you might not think so today but at one time I was a pretty
successful reporter, I'd done religious leaders and political leaders,
generals, artists, terrorists, movie stars, mass murderers, two
ministers of magic and even the richest wizard in the world and none of
them had intimidated me in the slightest. But this was different, this
was Harry Potter, THE Harry Potter, the most powerful wizard who ever
lived, the man who defined an age, the father figure for a nation, the
man on the five galleon coin in my pocket, the very man who killed
Vold****t for heaven sake, and I'm supposed to interview him? God help
me!

When I actually met Professor Potter at his modest house in Hogsmeade I
was surprised at how small he was, I shouldn't have been because I knew
intellectually he was only of normal height, but somehow when I think
of Harry Potter I think of a giant. Instead I found I was actually
taller than the elderly wizard who stood before me. He was so thin that
if his movements hadn't been so fast and agile I might almost have
called him frail. The old man's trademark hair was as thick and unruly
as it was when he was a boy, but it had turned quite gray. The years
had worn deep lines into his haggard face but you could still see the
lightning shaped scar on his forehead. It was only when you came to the
eyes that you realized this was not an ordinary wizard, there was
something about the twinkle in those brilliant green eyes that was
reassuring; my feeling of apprehension went away. Mostly.

Old as he was I noticed his hand was rock steady as he pored tea for me
when we sat down in his small living room. The only scary moment was
when I took out my notebook and quill, the twinkle seemed to go out of
his eye for just an instant and I got a glimpse of some of the immense
power lurking in the man. I thought of Ostric Lestrange, the greatest
dark wizard since you know who and his grab for power just last year.
He thought Potter was too old and weak to confront him. The late
Mr.Lestrange soon learned he was very much mistaken about that, but not
quite soon enough.

"Mr.Laflamme, that's not a Quick Quotes Quill is it?" Potter's voice
had just a slight edge but it but it was more than enough to send a
chill up my spine, for a moment I felt like I was back in the trenches
under heavy artillery attack.
"N no, no sir," I stammered, "those things are garbage, no responsible
journalist would use one, it's just a regular quill."

He smiled and I relaxed again.
"You'll have to forgive me," he said, "I've gotten a bit paranoid in my
old age, especially with journalists. I've had some bad experiences
with members of your profession. The last time I was interviewed it
didn't turn out well, it was so unpleasant that I vowed never to give
another. But that was, let's see, 152 years ago and I think it's time
to give it another try. There are some things I'd like to get off my
chest and if I'm ever going to do it I've got to do it now."

At first the discussion was mostly small talk, perhaps he was trying to
get me to relax, or maybe he was sizing me up, or maybe he just liked
to talk about Quidditch because when he found out I was Gryffindor's
(mediocre) keeper in my seventh year at school he seemed positively
delighted. We had an enjoyable talk about the sport for a while and
then curiosity got the better of me.
"If you don't mind me asking sir," I said, "why did you pick me? I
hope it's not because we're related."
"Are we?"
"Yes sir distantly related. I never met the man but Dudley Dursley was
my grandfather. But I understand the two of you were not close."
"Interesting! I had no idea, you look nothing like him," he said, "and
you're correct we, ah, we were not, ah, close. No, the reason I picked
you was your book, the biography of Rita Skeeter, you did an excellent
job exposing the venom inherent in that woman. I figured anybody who
disliked her methods as much as you obviously did can't be all bad.
Dudley's grandson, hmm, well it's still a first rate book".
"I've learned to hate that book," I heard myself confess, "it
cost me nine years and three marriages to write the damn thing."
I don't know what made me blurt that out but he must have sensed my
embarrassment because he said with it must be admitted some
exaggeration, "Well I thought you were brilliant describing that vile
woman and the times she lived in, and the book got very good reviews
too."
"Thanks," I said, "but reviews don't pay the bills, it turned
out to be a big commercial flop. Nobody wanted to read about a yellow
journalist from the last century. I should have written a book about
you".
"I'm very glad you did not!" he laughed.
I thought I saw a brief spasm of pain cross his face but then I figured
I must have been mistaken because he continued talking with no change
in the tone of his voice.
"There are already about nineteen dozen books about me and the world
can get along just fine without another one."
As he continued to speak he brought a small box from his pocket opened
it with one hand and put a pill into his cupped hand. He moved his hand
casually toward his mouth and then took a sip of tea. But then he saw
me looking at the box.
"Vitamins." He said a little sheepishly. Then he got more serious.
"I wanted to get on the record something I did as a young man."
"Yes sir." I said getting down to business, "When you battled The Dark
Lord how did you..." but he held up his hand and I stopped.
"I don't want to talk about that twit, everybody assumes my defeat of
Voldemort was the defining moment in my life but I can assure you it
was not. It was something that happened three months before that
changed me forever; it was almost like the old Harry Potter died, I
never liked the new version quite as much. Three months before
Voldemort was defeated the two best friends I ever had in my life, Ron
Weasley and Hermione Granger were murdered. I was the one who
discovered their poor mangled bodies; I had never felt grief like that
before, or since. They would never have been killed if their friendship
for me hadn't made them prime targets; that thought nearly unhinged me,
perhaps for a time it did."

He hesitated for a long time before continuing.
"I wanted to give this interview because I wanted to tell people what I
was doing about that in the two years immediately after Voldemort's
defeat."
"A lot of people have wondered about that," I said, "that's the only
part of your biography that seems to be a complete blank, Potter
scholars call them "The Lost Years", nobody knew where you were or what
you were doing."
"Oh some people knew," he said, "but not many. You see, not long after
Tom Riddle Junior assumed room temperature I learned that although he
had ordered the murders of Ron and Hermione, Voldemort was not the one
who actually committed the butchery. Well, I couldn't live with that, I
could not rest until I found out who the killer was. It took me a year
and a lot of undercover investigation but finally I knew who the fiend
was, it turned out to be a traitor and a spy, a high official in the
Ministry Of Magic by the name of Jason Calendar."

"I've heard of him," I said, "he was an Auror a long time ago, in fact
he was the chief hit wizard at the ministry and one day he just
disappeared. It was all very mysterious."
"Yes," he said, "one of Voldemort's top lieutenants was also a high
official in The Ministry Of Magic. Calendar could be charming when he
needed to be, he could converse brilliantly about art science
philosophy music politics you name it. It embarrasses me today but I
must confess I rather liked the man the first time I met him and
thought of him as a friend. It took me time, too much time for me to
realize it was just a facade and pure evil lay underneath. If I'd
been a little faster in recognizing him for what he was Ron and
Hermione might not have..."
He stopped and took a long sip of tea.

"Well, no point in rehashing that. As I was saying our Mr. Calendar
was not a pleasant man. I think he enjoyed making people suffer even
more than Voldemort did; Voldemort was most interested in power,
Calendar was interested in pain. In retrospect it's obvious our side
didn't have any secrets from Tom Junior, there's no telling how many
deaths that spy was responsible for; but it was two murders committed
by his own hand that most concerned me. Unfortunately he was tipped off
that I was after him so he abandoned his job and went into hiding. My
fault, even then I didn't fully appreciate how corrupt and incompetent
the ministry was, I should never have hinted of my suspicions to
anybody there. Calendar did a very good job at covering his tracks, the
man may have been a monster but he was not stupid. But I wasn't stupid
either. It took me another year of research, much of it revolting,
dealing with death eaters and wading through the pain and misery and
decay left in their wake, but one happy day I discovered where he was
hiding and that same day I paid my former friend a visit."

He paused for such a long time that it didn't seem like he was going to
finish the story without prodding so I said, "What happened?"
"Oh, we dueled, he lost," he said simply. "I disarmed him, conjured
some ropes and tied him from head to foot. At that point I still planed
to do the legal thing, to turn him over to the Ministry, the same
corrupt organization he had helped lead until a year before. And that's
undoubtedly exactly what the old Harry Potter would have done."
He paused yet again, I said, "But that's not what you did this time is
it?"
"No, it's not," he said, "I started to think about Ron and Hermione,
and I thought about Wormtail too and how my interference had prevented
Sirius and Lupin from doing what needed to be done. History would not
repeat itself I decided, so I took measures to ensure that nothing like
that could ever happen this time."
"What did you do?" I asked, afraid I already knew.

"I didn't torture him or anything if that's what you're thinking," he
said, "I didn't quite sink to Calendar's level. He had a far easier
death than Ron and Hermione had. I just sliced off his head, he never
felt a thing. I used Godric Gryffindor's sword and did it with one
blow, a former headmaster at Hogwarts left it to me in his will and I'd
used that sword before. It's no secret I've killed men since then but
all those times I never had a choice, this time I did. I had a decision
to make and I made it."
"You,.. you just executed him?" I said stupidly.
"You could put it that way if you like, "he said, "or you could say I
relived him of his commission as Chief Auror with extreme prejudice,
but there's no point in euphemisms at this late date. A prosecutor
could say it more simply, he would say this is not a gray area and the
law is clear. I murdered Jason Calendar."

The silence stretched on and I knew I should say something but my brain
felt numb. I stared at a tiny model of a horntailed dragon in a glass
china cabinet; it was marching around something that looked like a
large golden egg. I opened my mouth and said,
"Did...Why...Is it,"
I seemed to have lost the ability to form a coherent sentence. I took a
deep breath and tried again.
"After all these years do you ever regret your decision?"
He thought a long time before he responded.
"Oh, sometimes I wonder if I did the right thing, but not often. I'd
probably do it again, but who can really say, you can't relive a life."
He got up, walked to the window and stared out.
"You know life is a funny thing, with all the powerful enemies I'd
somehow managed to make I always figured I'd die young, it really never
occurred to me as a boy that I'd be an old man some day. Yet as it
turned out I outlived all my old friends."
His voice dropped almost to a whisper, so much so that I had to
struggle to hear him.
"Ginny was the last, she died two years ago on July 2, it was our 146
wedding anniversary."
He hesitated and I didn't know what to say, but then he continued.
"I even outlived my son, not that he was worth much. Oh I shouldn't
have said that, James had a good heart, but he just didn't work well
under pressure, and if truth be told he wasn't the sharpest pencil in
the box. That wasn't his fault. Everybody was always comparing him to
me too and that couldn't have been easy for him. I never told James of
course but I was very disappointed when he was chosen for Hufflepuff
not Gryffindor. Privately I thought the sorting hat must have made a
mistake but it's obvious now that it did not. Poor James was just
gullible, I think that's how he got involved in that junk bond scandal,
his partners were just using him as a figurehead, using the Potter name
to give their swindle an air of legitimacy.
He almost ended up in Azkaban and he would have if I hadn't
interfered. I suppose it was wrong of me to do so but that's the only
time I used my influence for personal reasons, it's just that James
wasn't strong like Sirius and would have been dead or insane within a
month. I kept thinking of the sweet little boy who liked to sit on my
knee while I read him stories and how he always asked me to skip over
the scary parts. The thought of my little James being in such a
horrible place was more than I could stand. And I really don't think he
knew it was a scam. Well, that's what he told me anyway and I'd like to
think it's true."

Then he turned around and smiled at me, the twinkle in his eye in full
force.
"For the record I should add that I've outlived all my old enemies too.
But I'm rambling; old fossils like me tend to do that."
He walked from the window and sat back into his chair.
"Professor," I said, "did anybody else know what you did to Calendar?"
"Ginny knew," he said, "and I told Ron and Hermione's parents, they had
a right to know, I told the Weasley brothers too."
"Weren't you afraid one of them would reveal your secret?" I asked.
"The thought did occur to me, but I wasn't bothered by it. I don't know
I guess I sort of thought of them as my judges, if they found me guilty
and turned me in then that's the way things should be and I'd accept
any punishment that came my way. Actually Percy did want to turn me in,
I think he would have too if his parents hadn't threatened to disown
him and Bill said he could get Gringotts to audit his taxes for the
last five years, and Charlie said he'd wake up some night with a
Hungarian horntail in his bed, and as for Fred and George," he laughed,
"Well, if you planed to have any dignity in life you didn't want to get
on their bad side." He stopped and looked a little wistful.
"They're all dead now of course, as far as I'm aware nobody now living
knows." Then he looked me straight in the eye and said, "But that's
about to change isn't it."
"Sir," I said, "I'm honored you chose me to interview you but I'm
starting to think this whole thing is not a good idea. I'm sure nobody
would dare try to put you in Azkaban or anything, the public would
never stand for it, but there's bound to be negative consequences for
you of some sort when this is printed, and I'd hate to think anything I
wrote would cause you pain. Give me the word and I'll burn my notes and
forget the entire thing."
He grinned and said, "Dudley's grandson hmm, I never would have guessed
it in a million years. Don't worry, there is no way it can cause me the
slightest problem."
"With all due respect sir," I insisted, "I think you're wrong about
that. It won't be for murder but somewhere some ambitious wizard trying
to make a name for himself is going to try to prosecute you for
something, or a relative of Calendar's will sue you for damages."
He laughed, "Nobody can sue me because the house is rented and I've
already given away all my money; and if the ministry plans to prosecute
me they're going to have to be mighty damn quick about it I can tell
you that, but the ministry is incapable of doing anything fast."
"Why is that sir?" I asked thinking I already knew the answer and
hoping I was wrong.
"Because," he said, "The ministry may be less corrupt than it once was
but it's still full of unimaginative paper shufflers unwilling to stick
their neck out. I remember one time..."
"No Sir!" I said, "Ah, I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt you but I meant
why do they have to prosecute you quickly?"
"Oh that," he said slowly, "well, you'll know the truth shortly anyway
so I might as well level with you. There is no way your article will
cause me the slightest problem because very soon now, probably before
it even makes it into print, I will be dead."
He must have seen a look of horror on my face.
"Oh come now, you can't be that surprised," he said with an exasperated
smile, "I mean, do you know of any wizard older than me?"
"No sir but..." I couldn't put it into words, I knew he was very old
but he was our powerful protector too, things couldn't get too bad as
long as we had him. Everybody knew he was old but nobody thought of him
as an old man.
"Well there you go, nobody lives forever. I won't say I'm delighted
with the idea but I really don't mind, at least not much. I am a little
sorry I won't be going to the Quidditch World Cup next month because
I'm curious if Scotland or Nigeria has the better team. I'll never
know, oh well, it's not a big deal. You won't believe it but I bought
tickets three years ago, I knew the good seats would go fast."
He laughed.
"For a man of my age I guess that proves basically I'm an optimist. And
I almost made it too!"
I did not feel like laughing with him.
"Hey, cheer up," he said, "It's not like I've been shortchanged, I've
had a longer life than most and one not lacking in incident. Things
haven't been much fun the last couple of years anyway, not since Ginny
died. It's time to go I know it. And there's something else."
A big grin spread across his wise and ancient face as he said,
"An old friend of mine once told me that to the well organized mind
death is but the next great adventure. Only recently have I started to
understand what he meant."
Then he stood up, shook my hand, thanked me for coming and I realized
the interview was over.

Two days later just as the article was about to be printed an owl I
didn't recognize flew into my office, she was carrying two tickets to
the top box at the Quidditch World Cup and a unsigned note that just
said "Raymond, I won't be needing these, enjoy the game." I try not to
drink this early in the day but I had a feeling I knew what that note
meant, I pulled out a bottle of whiskey from my desk drawer and poured
myself a stiff drink. I'm glad I did because twenty minutes later the
news broke and the reaction all over the world was like a punch to the
stomach. The wizard stock market dived, classes were canceled at
Hogwarts and people could be seen crying in the street. Like everybody
else I was saddened and frightened but unlike most I was not surprised
to hear that Harry Potter, the man who had been inexhaustibly defending
our world for longer than most of us had been alive, was dead. Harry
Potter died peacefully in his sleep at his home in Hogsmeade; it was
his 166 birthday.

Eggplant
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #295043 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 23:58
Deevo  
"eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151872929.853838.260140 [at] j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Deevo wrote:
>> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>
> I once had a rather similar thought and wrote a little story about it.
> By the way I notice you are in western Australia, I've looked on the
> globe and that means you and I are as far apart as it's possible to
> be and still reman on planet Earth. The internet is great!

Isn't it just. Good story by the way, you should submit it to Checkmated or
someone like that.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #295292 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 05:41
Jean Lamb  
>Harry
Potter died peacefully in his sleep at his home in Hogsmeade; it was
his 166 birthday.

>Eggplant

--Oh, bravo! Truly excellent.

I shall, if it is not too impertinent, add one last line:

"I want to hex the idiot who prepared the body; after all it meant, after
all its wearer meant, the mortician who oversaw the lying-in-state covered
up the scar."


--
Jean Lamb, tlambs1138 [at] charter.net
"Research is hard. Torturing heroes is fun."--Mary Jo Putney
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #295293 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 06:11
nospamcm_anon76  
"Deevo" <mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
news:44a3aedc [at] quokka.wn.com.au...
> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>
> Just a thought anyway.

I kind of thought Harry would follow in Dumbledore's footsteps. At least
that's the impression I got from the first few books.

JKR says that she was first thought of Harry on a train ride. She said
something like she could see his ghost (implying that he is now dead). Maybe
this is the point where she first decided that Harry would die. But then she
says that its the two that she never intended to die. Hermione and Ron will
get bumped off. I bet JKR never intended for them to die.

Maybe that's why she's added Luna Lovegood--to be kind of a replacement for
Hermione. And I guess Neville Longbottom might be a replacement for Ron.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #297692 ] Fr, 07 Juli 2006 12:13
Deevo  
"Christopher M." <nospamcm_anon76 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:D30rg.6164$J47.4290 [at] trndny02...
> "Deevo" <mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
> news:44a3aedc [at] quokka.wn.com.au...
>> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>
>> Just a thought anyway.
>
> I kind of thought Harry would follow in Dumbledore's footsteps. At least
> that's the impression I got from the first few books.

A bit of a hard call to make as we don't really know that much about
Dumbledore's past. I do get the impression we might learn something of it
in book seven though.

> JKR says that she was first thought of Harry on a train ride. She said
> something like she could see his ghost (implying that he is now dead).
> Maybe this is the point where she first decided that Harry would die. But
> then she says that its the two that she never intended to die. Hermione
> and Ron will get bumped off. I bet JKR never intended for them to die.

Could be though I hope not. I really doubt she'll kill Harry, at least to
resolve the conflict with Voldemort, and while we might yet lose a Weasley I
don'd think Ron or Ginny will be for the chop either. The way I see it, and
this may be at least partially wishful thinking on my part, is that the core
foursome of Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione will survive the war, not
necessarily unscarred but intact for the most part. These three will IMO
provide the reason for Harry to want to live, to want to beat Voldemort.
We've already seen him prepared to accept death in both GOF and OOTP but
he's yet to really accept the other option.

> Maybe that's why she's added Luna Lovegood--to be kind of a replacement
> for Hermione. And I guess Neville Longbottom might be a replacement for
> Ron.

Actually I think Neville is a genuine candidate for the chop, maybe Luna too
but she already strikes me as too obviously fatalistic for it.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #297736 ] Sa, 08 Juli 2006 09:44
Toon  
On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:13:11 +0800, "Deevo"
<mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:

>"Christopher M." <nospamcm_anon76 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:D30rg.6164$J47.4290 [at] trndny02...
>> "Deevo" <mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:44a3aedc [at] quokka.wn.com.au...
>>> Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>>> epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>>> death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>>
>>> Just a thought anyway.
>>
>> I kind of thought Harry would follow in Dumbledore's footsteps. At least
>> that's the impression I got from the first few books.
>
>A bit of a hard call to make as we don't really know that much about
>Dumbledore's past. I do get the impression we might learn something of it
>in book seven though.
>
>> JKR says that she was first thought of Harry on a train ride. She said
>> something like she could see his ghost (implying that he is now dead).
>> Maybe this is the point where she first decided that Harry would die. But
>> then she says that its the two that she never intended to die. Hermione
>> and Ron will get bumped off. I bet JKR never intended for them to die.
>
>Could be though I hope not. I really doubt she'll kill Harry, at least to
>resolve the conflict with Voldemort, and while we might yet lose a Weasley I
>don'd think Ron or Ginny will be for the chop either. The way I see it, and
>this may be at least partially wishful thinking on my part, is that the core
>foursome of Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione will survive the war, not
>necessarily unscarred but intact for the most part. These three will IMO
>provide the reason for Harry to want to live, to want to beat Voldemort.
>We've already seen him prepared to accept death in both GOF and OOTP but
>he's yet to really accept the other option.
>
>> Maybe that's why she's added Luna Lovegood--to be kind of a replacement
>> for Hermione. And I guess Neville Longbottom might be a replacement for
>> Ron.
>
>Actually I think Neville is a genuine candidate for the chop, maybe Luna too
>but she already strikes me as too obviously fatalistic for it.

Neveille was set up as the other Chosen One. That's a good sign he'll
be sacrificed to stop Voldemort. A fake prophecy clearly naming
Neville as the One is all it'd take. And a distracted V is an easier
to defeat V. Without the brother Wand Effect activating.
Re: Another thought on the 'Harry will die in book seven' theoy. [message #297773 ] Sa, 08 Juli 2006 21:43
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:13:11 +0800, "Deevo"
> <mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>"Christopher M." <nospamcm_anon76 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:D30rg.6164$J47.4290 [at] trndny02...
>>
>>>"Deevo" <mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:44a3aedc [at] quokka.wn.com.au...
>>>
>>>>Jo could quite easily get around the whole death theorys by having the
>>>>epilogue a long way in the future and have Harry, as an old man, in his
>>>>death bed surrounded by his decendants.
>>>>
>>>>Just a thought anyway.
>>>
>>>I kind of thought Harry would follow in Dumbledore's footsteps. At least
>>>that's the impression I got from the first few books.
>>
>>A bit of a hard call to make as we don't really know that much about
>>Dumbledore's past. I do get the impression we might learn something of it
>>in book seven though.
>>
>>
>>>JKR says that she was first thought of Harry on a train ride. She said
>>>something like she could see his ghost (implying that he is now dead).
>>>Maybe this is the point where she first decided that Harry would die. But
>>>then she says that its the two that she never intended to die. Hermione
>>>and Ron will get bumped off. I bet JKR never intended for them to die.
>>
>>Could be though I hope not. I really doubt she'll kill Harry, at least to
>>resolve the conflict with Voldemort, and while we might yet lose a Weasley I
>>don'd think Ron or Ginny will be for the chop either. The way I see it, and
>>this may be at least partially wishful thinking on my part, is that the core
>>foursome of Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione will survive the war, not
>>necessarily unscarred but intact for the most part. These three will IMO
>>provide the reason for Harry to want to live, to want to beat Voldemort.
>>We've already seen him prepared to accept death in both GOF and OOTP but
>>he's yet to really accept the other option.
>>
>>
>>>Maybe that's why she's added Luna Lovegood--to be kind of a replacement
>>>for Hermione. And I guess Neville Longbottom might be a replacement for
>>>Ron.
>>
>>Actually I think Neville is a genuine candidate for the chop, maybe Luna too
>>but she already strikes me as too obviously fatalistic for it.
>
>
> Neveille was set up as the other Chosen One. That's a good sign he'll
> be sacrificed to stop Voldemort. A fake prophecy clearly naming
> Neville as the One is all it'd take. And a distracted V is an easier
> to defeat V. Without the brother Wand Effect activating.

I don't agree about Neville

Neville has been clearly set up as the student who will end up teaching
at Hogwarts - something JKR has said in the past. He would likely take
over Herbology. Since that is unlikely to happen before V is killed - I
would suggest that it would be part of the epilogue - but that means
that Neville will survive.

I have always thought that a Wedding in Book 7 would be a ripe time for
something bad to happen - so I expect a death among the two getting married.
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