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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter"
| Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291503] |
Mo, 26 Juni 2006 22:50 |
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Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
J=2EK Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
book in the young magician's chronicles.
The writer, who has become one of Britain's richest women thanks to the
popularity of the boy wizard, has also hinted that at least one other
major character will die.
Miss Rowling, 40, who is putting the finishing touches on the final
book, said she could understand why authors kill off their main
characters to stop imitators from writing sequels without their
permission.
"I've never been tempted to kill him off before the end of the book
because I've always planned seven books, and I want to finish on seven
books," she said in a rare interview with Richard and Judy on Channel
4=2E
"I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who
thinks, 'well, I'm gonna kill them off because that means there can be
no non-author written sequels' as they call them.'
"So it will end with me and after I'd dead and gone they won't be able
to bring back the character.
"Agatha Christie did that with Poirot didn't she? She wanted to finish
him off herself."
Asked why she would not commit herself to saying exactly whether or not
she was going to kill him, she added: 'I'm not going to commit myself
because I don't want the hate mail!'
The author also said that the final chapter, which she wrote before
even finishing the first Harry Potter book in 1990, had changed very
slightly.
While one character will now get a reprieve, "two die that I didn't
intend to die". Asked by Judy if it will be any of the much loved
characters, she said: "A price has to be paid, we are dealing with pure
evil here. They don't target extras do they? They go for the main
characters...well I do. This is a world where some pretty nasty things
can happen."
Miss Rowling was a penniless single mother when she came up with the
concept of the Harry Potter books while on a train journey. She has
already shown that she is not afraid of killing off her best loved
characters with the death of Dumbledore, the Hogwarts head wizard and
Harry's father figure in her last book. But she admitted it as going to
be 'tough' to live without Harry.
"I'm going to have to learn. It's going to be tough. I admire people
who go out when people still want more."
Harry Potter has made Miss Rowling into one of Britain's wealthiest
women with a =A3650million fortune. But it has made her into a virtual
recluse and she has admitted that she feels guilty about the money
Harry has earned her.
"I was like a rabbit caught in the headlights," she said of her early
fame. "It was weird and mind warping when I was used to counting every
penny."
She gave an indication about what it was like for her family to live in
Harry's shadow, saying of her eldest daughter Jessica, 13, from her
first marriage: "It hasn't always been easy for her. You can
imagine...your mother being J K Rowling. At one point she was up
against the school railings by other children trying to get titles out
of her."
But as well as her wealth she has found personal happiness with a
second marriage, to doctor Andrew Murray, who she has had two more
children with. Miss Rowling, whose first name is Joanne, has already
indicated that once she has finished with Harry she plans to write
another children's book, and she also wants to channel her energies
into helping sick and disadvantaged children.
But she admits she finds it unlikely she will ever be as popular again.
"I don't think I'm going to get another Harry again, it only happens
once."
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291511 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:08 |
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eggplant wrote:
> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
> By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
>
> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
> yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
> book in the young magician's chronicles.
>
I resent the fact that an author that has become wealthy writing
enjoyable books has to kill off the heros for her own convenience. These
are purportedly childrens books that have been embraced by a very wide
audience. My family alone has purchased a dozen or more in the HP
series. I will wait for post publication spoilers to determine whether
or not I want to ivest any more in Rowling's wealth.
I for one did not like the end of HBP.
fos....
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291525 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:00 |
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J. Greer wrote:
> eggplant wrote:
>> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>>
>> By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
>>
>> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
>> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
>> yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
>> book in the young magician's chronicles.
>>
>
> I resent the fact that an author that has become wealthy writing
> enjoyable books has to kill off the heros for her own convenience. These
> are purportedly childrens books that have been embraced by a very wide
> audience. My family alone has purchased a dozen or more in the HP
> series. I will wait for post publication spoilers to determine whether
> or not I want to ivest any more in Rowling's wealth.
>
> I for one did not like the end of HBP.
Ok, is already time to unsubscribe? This JKR person could have her mouth
shut. So now she's gonna kill two characters. Come on, if she were
realistic (whatever that means in a magical universe), everybody should end
dying in book 7. The negligent aiming of the bad guys and his choosing of
spells is just unbearable. Hermione shouldn't have escaped the MoM, neither
Neville; the battle in Hogwarts in HBP should have caused some more
casualties and for sure Hagrid, half giant and all, should have kicked the
bucket via AK.
I have already manifested my discontent with this cheap trick of "uh uh I'm
gonna kill someone... guess who?". We don't even have a release date, she
could start addressing that instead of spoiling the last book.
--
Take the Snape polls: http://snape.mosteo.com [Updated 16/Aug/05]
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291539 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 02:09 |
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> bucket via AK.
>
> I have already manifested my discontent with this cheap trick of "uh uh I'm
> gonna kill someone... guess who?". We don't even have a release date, she
> could start addressing that instead of spoiling the last book.
>
>
no such thing as bad publicity
the hp universe can survive without harry i havent been sympathetic
since book 4
i'd love a fred and george prank storys book or a diary of hermione
my guess was that lupin was going to die and now he wont
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291545 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 15:01 |
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Jano wrote:
> Ok, is already time to unsubscribe? This JKR person could
> have her mouth shut. So now she's gonna kill two characters.
At least two.
> Come on, if she were realistic (whatever that means in a magical
> universe), everybody should end dying in book 7. The negligent
> aiming of the bad guys and his choosing of spells is just unbearable.
> Hermione shouldn't have escaped the MoM, neither Neville;
Well, I like Neville too much to kill him off, but I see what you're
saying.
> the battle in Hogwarts in HBP should have caused some more casualties
Didn't all the particpants take the fidelus potion?
> I have already manifested my discontent with this cheap trick of
> "uh uh I'm gonna kill someone... guess who?". We don't even have
> a release date, she could start addressing that instead of spoiling
> the last book.
Yeah, that is really annoying..
Catherine Johnson.
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fenm at cox dot net
"We're watching animal porn! _Mary Had a Little Lamb_ will be right back
in just a second."
-Colin Mochrie, _Whose Line is it, Anyway?_.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291547 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 03:21 |
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Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>> the battle in Hogwarts in HBP should have caused some more casualties
>
> Didn't all the particpants take the fidelus potion?
You mean that their whereabouts was hidden from anyone else except the
secret-keeping-bottle? And thus the death-eaters couldn't aim at them :D
Yep, I know you meant Felix Felicis, but as soon as I read "Fidelus
potion", some insanely strange pictures started going through my head 8p
--
Markku Uttula
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291549 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 03:44 |
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J. Greer wrote:
> eggplant wrote:
> > Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
> >
> > By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
> >
> > J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
> > kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
> > yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
> > book in the young magician's chronicles.
> >
>
> I resent the fact that an author that has become wealthy writing
> enjoyable books has to kill off the heros for her own convenience. These
> are purportedly childrens books that have been embraced by a very wide
> audience. My family alone has purchased a dozen or more in the HP
> series. I will wait for post publication spoilers to determine whether
> or not I want to ivest any more in Rowling's wealth.
>
> I for one did not like the end of HBP.
>
> fos....
I understand where JKR is coming from. An author is debating several
ways to end the series. She does not want to use this set of
characters again because she feels she has gotten everything out of
them that she can. She would be tempted to kill off one or more of
the main characters at the end so she won't be tempted to write more
books that are nowhere near as good as the originals just to make a few
bucks. Also, it prevents hack writers from using her characters after
she's dead. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
Some stories write themselves. If the story demands that Harry must
die then he should die rather than find some way he could live just to
keep a lot of people happy.
Everyone says that she's writing a childrens book. I don't really think
she is writing for 5 year olds. I think she's writing for children
about the age of her characters, teens. Do children have to be
protected from everything bad and every book be Disneyafied?
Childrens books used to have more meat to them. Not everyone lived
though them and there wasn't always a "They lived happily ever after"
at the end. Read some of the original Brothers Grimm fairy tales. And
they were written for young children, not teens.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291550 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:11 |
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In article <1151355038.364286.100310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
eggplant <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
>By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
<snip>
>Miss Rowling, 40, who is putting the finishing touches on the final
>book, said she could understand why authors kill off their main
>characters to stop imitators from writing sequels without their
>permission.
>
>"I've never been tempted to kill him off before the end of the book
>because I've always planned seven books, and I want to finish on seven
>books," she said in a rare interview with Richard and Judy on Channel
>4.
>
>"I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who
>thinks, 'well, I'm gonna kill them off because that means there can be
>no non-author written sequels' as they call them.'
>"So it will end with me and after I'd dead and gone they won't be able
>to bring back the character.
>
>"Agatha Christie did that with Poirot didn't she? She wanted to finish
>him off herself."
How naive of her. They killed Frankenstein's monster on screen in the
first movie, but they still managed to bring him back for many sequels.
And fanfic goes on forever.
=Tamar
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291551 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:15 |
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In article <9z%ng.485$Mz3.177 [at] fed1read07>,
Fish Eye no Miko <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>Jano wrote:
<snip>
>> Come on, if she were realistic (whatever that means in a magical
>> universe), everybody should end dying in book 7. The negligent
>> aiming of the bad guys and his choosing of spells is just unbearable.
>> Hermione shouldn't have escaped the MoM, neither Neville;
>
>Well, I like Neville too much to kill him off, but I see what you're
>saying.
>
>> the battle in Hogwarts in HBP should have caused some more casualties
>
>Didn't all the particpants take the fidelus potion?
Felix, no, only a few of Harry's friends. There were adults in the
fighting and quite a few innocent bystanders.
>> I have already manifested my discontent with this cheap trick of
>> "uh uh I'm gonna kill someone... guess who?". We don't even have
>> a release date, she could start addressing that instead of spoiling
>> the last book.
>
>Yeah, that is really annoying..
I agree. I find that I don't care very much. I'll be disappointed if
she kills off my favorites, but after books 4,5,and 6 I don't have nearly
the attachment to them that I used to have.
=Tamar
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291553 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:19 |
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In article <1151372659.907199.196990 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
scenario_dave <scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
>I understand where JKR is coming from. An author is debating several
>ways to end the series.
She already knows how it ends. There's no debating.
>She does not want to use this set of
>characters again because she feels she has gotten everything out of
>them that she can. She would be tempted to kill off one or more of
>the main characters at the end so she won't be tempted to write more
>books that are nowhere near as good as the originals just to make a few
>bucks. Also, it prevents hack writers from using her characters after
>she's dead. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
That didn't stop anyone from writing new stories. Until Jeremy Brett
did them for television, _nobody_ had ever filmed any of the original
Holmes stories (except for the Hound of the Baskervilles); they always
wrote a new story. There are new stories about Holmes all the time.
<snip>
>Childrens books used to have more meat to them. Not everyone lived
>though them and there wasn't always a "They lived happily ever after"
>at the end. Read some of the original Brothers Grimm fairy tales. And
>they were written for young children, not teens.
Actually, most of them were written for the adults of the French court
of the 18th century, and reached the nursery by a trickle-down process.
There was almost nothing written specifically for children until
the nineteenth century.
=Tamar
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| No Harry, No more reads [message #291556 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:35 |
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I have to say that killing off Harry, Ron, or Hermione would be a
horrible mistake. As it is, its shaping up to be a wonderful "You are
who you choose to be" morality tale, an excellent resource for kids in
an age when evil is indiscriminate, like Voldemort. However, if any of
these three die by the end of the series, it will not be a series I
will have my children read. I don't care how they die. I don't care how
"realistic" it might be. It would completely kill the message for
children. It would remove motivation for fighting evil. Yes, people die
in the fight- but in a book, where the message to fight and choose to
do the right thing is so central, children need to see some reward for
that; and death would not be seen as a reward, but rather, a punishment
for trying to uphold what was right.
Even hinting that Harry might die, for me, is a real turn-off. Why
waste my time and money on a series that may turn out to be completely
worthless and totally commercial?
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| Re: No Harry, No more reads [message #291560 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:56 |
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In article <1151375730.846980.195930 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
LadySri <amanda [at] devi.org> wrote:
>I have to say that killing off Harry, Ron, or Hermione would be a
>horrible mistake.
<snip>
> Yes, people die
>in the fight- but in a book, where the message to fight and choose to
>do the right thing is so central, children need to see some reward for
>that; and death would not be seen as a reward, but rather, a punishment
>for trying to uphold what was right.
I agree totally.
OTOH if she does, an entrepreneur could probably build a house by
gluing together millions of discarded copies of books 4-6.
Books 1-3 make a nice trilogy by themselves.
=Tamar
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291562 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:29 |
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> And fanfic goes on forever.
>
> =Tamar
>
I started reading fanfics just after book five was released and I have read
at least a good dozen that were written better than book six. To me, it
seems that JK did book six with a bigger eye on the deadlines than on the
content. The whole thing seems very rushed and under-developed.
--
UVB
A.K.A
Ulric Van Bergen
ulric_van_bergen [at] hotmail.com
to email me, remove underscores.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291568 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:54 |
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eggplant wrote:
> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
> By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
>
> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
> yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
> book in the young magician's chronicles.
>
This article has no credatibality
> Harry Potter has made Miss Rowling into one of Britain's wealthiest
> women with a =A3650million fortune. But it has made her into a virtual
> recluse and she has admitted that she feels guilty about the money
> Harry has earned her.
Rowlings has stated she and her family live a normal, ordianay life in
Scotland. And, she has given a lot of money and time to charity.
>
> Andrew Murray, who she has had two more
> children with.=20
Her husband's name is Neal.
RC
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291569 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:27 |
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>
>>I have already manifested my discontent with this cheap trick of
>>"uh uh I'm gonna kill someone... guess who?".
Ok, just rephrase it and maybe it will be better: "uh uh, I'm going to
let someone live. Guess who?"
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291571 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:37 |
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You could try *spellcheck* and give yourself a little more *credibility* in
this group...
And yes, the article DOES have it... it was an intervire WITH Ms. Rowling
HERSELF, if I am not mistaken.
M_m
"rc" <rclovely [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151380450.230409.96730 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
eggplant wrote:
> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
> By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
>
> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
> yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
> book in the young magician's chronicles.
>
This article has no credatibality
> Harry Potter has made Miss Rowling into one of Britain's wealthiest
> women with a £650million fortune. But it has made her into a virtual
> recluse and she has admitted that she feels guilty about the money
> Harry has earned her.
Rowlings has stated she and her family live a normal, ordianay life in
Scotland. And, she has given a lot of money and time to charity.
>
> Andrew Murray, who she has had two more
> children with.
Her husband's name is Neal.
RC
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291584 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:50 |
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eggplant wrote:
> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
(..)
Didn't the prophecy clearly say that Harry was going to snuff it? So
what is new? :-)
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291591 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 09:33 |
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Hoshisato wrote:
> eggplant wrote:
>
>>Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>>
>
> (..)
> Didn't the prophecy clearly say that Harry was going to snuff it?
No. Whatever gave you that idea?
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291593 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 09:36 |
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Kish wrote:
> Hoshisato wrote:
> > eggplant wrote:
> >
> >>Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
> >>
> >
> > (..)
> > Didn't the prophecy clearly say that Harry was going to snuff it?
>
> No. Whatever gave you that idea?
"(..) and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
while the other survives"
What else could this part mean?
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291597 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 09:59 |
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On 26 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0700, "eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
>kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire.
Nothing said was stronger than anything previously said. In fact, her
interviews online are stronger indications.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291598 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:01 |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:08:08 GMT, "J. Greer" <jlgreer1 [at] excite.com>
wrote:
>eggplant wrote:
>> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>>
>> By NICOLE LAMPERT, Daily Mail 19:48pm 26th June 2006
>>
>> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
>> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire. Speaking
>> yesterday, she suggested Harry Potter may die in the seventh and final
>> book in the young magician's chronicles.
>>
>
>I resent the fact that an author that has become wealthy writing
>enjoyable books has to kill off the heros for her own convenience.
But JK didn't say she's doing that.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291599 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:07 |
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:01:40 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>> Ok, is already time to unsubscribe? This JKR person could
>> have her mouth shut. So now she's gonna kill two characters.
>
>At least two.
Definitley more than two. She's talking about changes, where she
discovered she had to kill off two character snot originally planned.
That means in addition to those we know must die, because she said her
final chapter details the post V lives of the survivors. So, at least
one person (Not including V) must die. and now two more do. a
guaranteed second death was undone with the reprieve. So, we can
conclude accurately JK planned bare minimum 2 deaths (V being a given
from the get go), and now she has confirmed 3 deaths (spared one,
offed 2. 2-1=1, 1+2=3.)
And there are hints V might not die (worse than death), so, even he's
not a given. But 3 people are a given. And there can easily be more
on the way. Maybe even ore surprise deaths. Maybe even another saved
life.
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Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:09 |
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:19:52 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>She already knows how it ends. There's no debating.
But she's changed it a bit. About all we know is she's not changing
Harry's fate one way or the other.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #291601 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:46 |
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scenario_dave wrote
> Also, it prevents hack writers from using her characters after
> she's dead. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
But Conan Doyle killed Sherlock Holmes because because he thought that
Holmes' popularity was eclipsing his other work (which he considered
superior, though that is pretty much a minority view). And he killed Holmes
in a rather open ended way - no body - and brought him back again (almost as
if the whole death thing was a publicity stunt of some sort).
Holmes being dead or retired - coupled with the number of references to
other cases littered around the Holmes stories - hasn't stopped numerous
people, from Doyles son (or grandson?) & John Dickson Carr down, writing
Holmes stories ranging from interesting explorations of the character to
fairly poor fan-fics (which actually get published, and bought by readers).
To a great extent this is possible due to Holmes long career, which wouldn't
apply in a Harry-Potter-dies-before-his-seventh-year-at-school situation.
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Di, 27 Juni 2006 11:12 |
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"eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in news:1151355038.364286.100310
[at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> Miss Rowling, 40
Strange way to refer to a married woman, don't you think?
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Di, 27 Juni 2006 13:18 |
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Hoshisato wrote:
> Kish wrote:
>> Hoshisato wrote:
>>> eggplant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>>>>
>>>
>>> (..)
>>> Didn't the prophecy clearly say that Harry was going to snuff it?
>>
>> No. Whatever gave you that idea?
>
> "(..) and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can
> live while the other survives"
>
> What else could this part mean?
It means whatever she wants it to mean when it's re-twisted in bk 7.
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Hoshisato wrote:
> Kish wrote:
>
>>Hoshisato wrote:
>>>Didn't the prophecy clearly say that Harry was going to snuff it?
>>
>>No. Whatever gave you that idea?
>
>
> "(..) and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
> while the other survives"
>
> What else could this part mean?
>
That either Harry will kill Voldemort, or Voldemort will kill Harry.
Not both.
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Eric Bohlman [ebohlman [at] omsdev.com] said
> "eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in news:1151355038.364286.100310
> [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Miss Rowling, 40
>
> Strange way to refer to a married woman, don't you think?
>
Not if that is her choice as she can call herself any she wants.
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Di, 27 Juni 2006 21:23 |
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Toon wrote:
>> J.K Rowling has given her strongest hint yet that she is planning to
>> kill off the young wizard who has made her a multimillionaire.
>
> Nothing said was stronger than anything previously said. In fact, her
> interviews online are stronger indications.
I must (once again) point out that I'm not a native english speaker...
none the less, from what I saw in the interview (for those who haven't
seen it themselves, it's available for download on a multitude of Potter
fansites, http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8791 for example,
all unbelievable 172 megabytes of it) I didn't see too much to suggest
that Harry'll be the one to die. On the contrary, Jo's body language,
tones of words, choice of wording suggested more to the exact opposite.
But that's just my view, foreigner and one living in total denial of the
possibility of Harry being the one to die.
All in all, I was waiting for much more (in sense of non-verbal magic:)
based on the comments the interview has risen in the audiences. There
were comments on long silences she had before answering the questions,
which were "a good pointer to what's going to happen", but what the heck
can you do when the interviewer just seemed to love his own voice a tad
bit too much :)
Oh, and I loved the comment from Judy; "I would want Harry to marry
Ginny and... no, no I don't... oh, I don't know" :) That quote was
paraphrased from memory, so don't sue me for inaccuracies. It was just
sort of... sweet.
--
Markku Uttula
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Magic_Mom wrote:
> You could try *spellcheck* and give yourself a little more *credibility* in
> this group...
> And yes, the article DOES have it... it was an intervire WITH Ms. Rowling
> HERSELF, if I am not mistaken.
>
> M_m
My, My, My, how perfect you must be never to make a mistake or a typo.
I have no faith in the author of any article who does not know Joanne
Rowling's husband's correct name.
RC
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I think that if she kills off Harry, Ron or Hermione, she may lose some
future readers for her first six books. What parent would let their child
get attached to these characters just to see them killed off? What child
would want to read them when they know that there is no hope for a happy
ending? I know, I know, life is all about death and loss, but the wonderful
thing about the HP stories is the hope that good can triumph over evil even
with overwhelming odds. I hope Rowlings does not give in to the temptation
of dramatic deaths just to sell a few books.
"Moor" <moorNOSPAM [at] freemail.it> wrote in message
news:m473a2ht6m97q8tqfg0vang1pqo68id2gd [at] 4ax.com...
> On 26 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0700, "eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not writing about the deaths and so on till I have a transcript of
> the interview, but...
>
>>Rowling: 'I may kill off Harry Potter'
>
> Newspapers need good headlines, and this is much more than good !
>
>>The writer, who has become one of Britain's richest women thanks to the
>>popularity of the boy wizard, has also hinted that at least one other
>>major character will die.
>
> Where's the news, here ???
> It's the 7th and *final* book, there will be the last clash between
> Harry & Voldemort... it's very, very likely than one of the major
> character will die ! ^_^;;;
>
>>Miss Rowling, 40, who is putting the finishing touches on the final
>>book
>
> I wanna read the transcript ! Has she really said she's "putting the
> finishing touches on the final book" ???
> Did it take only 6-7 months to write ???
>
>>"So it will end with me and after I'd dead and gone they won't be able
>>to bring back the character.
>
> Sorry, JK... are you kidding ?
> I firstly think you have the rights over the HP world... if I wake up
> one morning and start writing "Harry Potter & the red blooded dragon",
> I don't think I will have the rights to publish it ! : >
> Secondly, it's the magic word and it's fiction ! There are billion
> ways to make Harry Potter get back, if one wants... starting from
> cloning him, finishing to write a prequel about his younger years... I
> can even think about a Joe Black who speaks with the ghost of Harry...
>
>>"Agatha Christie did that with Poirot didn't she? She wanted to finish
>>him off herself."
>
> Ask the Gone With The Wind author ! ; >
>
>>Asked why she would not commit herself to saying exactly whether or not
>
> Oh yes, she's gonna say it during a tv show one year before publishing
> the book ! ^_^;;;
>
> Cheers
> Moor, waiting
> --
>
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"rc" <rclovely [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151443997.027903.288060 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Magic_Mom wrote:
>> You could try *spellcheck* and give yourself a little more *credibility*
>> in
>> this group...
>> And yes, the article DOES have it... it was an intervire WITH Ms. Rowling
>> HERSELF, if I am not mistaken.
>>
>> M_m
> My, My, My, how perfect you must be never to make a mistake or a typo.
>
> I have no faith in the author of any article who does not know Joanne
> Rowling's husband's correct name.
>
> RC
>
There was no *author* as it was an interview on television, I believe. And I
never said I didn't make mistakes. I made one in that last comment as a
matter of fact and didn't catch it in time. But sheesh.. chill dude.. or go
have DM share a few of her tequila shots!!
M_m
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Moor <moorNOSPAM [at] freemail.it> wrote in
news:m473a2ht6m97q8tqfg0vang1pqo68id2gd [at] 4ax.com:
> On 26 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0700, "eggplant"
> <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not writing about the deaths and so on till I have a
> transcript of the interview, but...
>
> ....lots clipped
>
> Cheers
> Moor, waiting
Here you go.
The Leaky Cauldron Reader Roonwit has come through yet again, this time with a transcript for Part One of
the interview with Jo on the Richard & Judy show, which you can read below. Enjoy! Thanks very much to
Roonwit!
Richard: And Jo joins us now. And I love that clip because it epitomises for me what is really good about
the later of your books. We just left this valley of pain and distress which is bringing up adolescents, you're
about to enter it.
Jo: Oh Good. Something to look forward to then.
Richard: It is just as bad as you think its going to be, I can tell you. But that's what's lovely about the
sequence of books. You can see Harry turning into a grumpy adolescent and all those around him going
through those adolescent pains. You draw it very accurately, and you don't have adolescent kids yourself. Is
that just based on friends and conversations with friends who have got them?
Jo: Well I taught teenagers for a while. They were my favourite age group to teach in fact. So I think I drew
a bit on that, and I drew on memories of how grumpy we all were when we were teenagers. We weren't the ...
My sister's here to watch this and she was very grumpy so I drew a lot on her.
Judy: Is she older than you?
Jo: She's two years younger than me.
Judy: I know what I want to happen at the end of the whole Harry Potter thing, I want Harry to marry Ginny
Weasley and I want Ron to marry Hermione - no I don't - yes I do, I want Ron to marry Hermione and I will be
so upset if it doesn't happen. But of course the last one at the moment is residing in your safe?
Jo: The final chapter is hidden away, although it has now changed very sightly. One character got a
reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die ...
Judy: Two much loved ones?
Jo: Well, you know. A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil. They don't target the extras do
they? They go for the main characters, or I do.
Richard: We don't care about the extras. You told your husband, obviously you confide in him all things ...
Jo: Well, not everything. That would be reckless.
Richard: That would be stupid, lets be honest. You did tell him which ones were for the chop and
apparently he shuddered and said "No, not that one"
Jo: He did on one of them, yeah.
Richard: All the papers that have been promoting this interview today clearlywant us to ask you do you kill
off Harry Potter, which is a ridiculous question because are you likely to say yes or no? Obviously not. You
couldn't possibly answer that, but have you ever been tempted to do him a little more harm than he has
suffered
Judy: He's suffered enough, he's been though the mill.
Jo: How could I? Every year of his adolescence and childhood he saved the wizarding world and then no-
one believes him - he spends his entire life saving the world, and next term he is back at school being
bullied.
Judy: There is this great Harry Potter who has just saved your entire school and all your skins ...
Jo: And everyone just thinks he is a bit annoying.
Richard: I was dodging around the death bit, because I know you can't answer that queestion, But you
know how Conan-Doyle got sick up to there of Sherlock Holmes ...
Jo: Yeah Richard: so pushed him off the cliff at the Reichenbech falls, I'm not asking if you have done that
obviously, but have you ever been tempted to bump him off because it is such a huge thing in your life.
Jo: I've never been tempted to kill him off before the end of book 7. I have always planned seven books
and that is where I want to go, where I want to finish on seven books. But I can completely understand the
mentality of an author who thinks well I am going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-
author written sequels as they call them, so it will end with me and after I am dead and gone, they would be
able to bring back the character and right a load of ...
Richard: That never stuck me before. I thought it would free you up.
Jo: Agatha Christe did that with Poirot, didn't she, she wanted to finish him off herself.
Judy: Well you say you can completely understand it, but you are not going to commit yourself to whether
....
Jo: No, I am not going to commit myself. I don't what the hate mail, apart from anything else.
Judy: When you started off, when you first thought about Harry, what came first, was it the idea of the
magic or the character Harry, or the boarding school, were you a big keen reader of boarding school stories?
Jo: I read a few when I was younger.
Judy: Angela Brazil?
Jo: I never read Angela Brazil, I read some Mallory towers and they don't bear re-reading but when I was
six I really liked them. But I think Harry and magic came together so the essential idea was a boy who was a
wizard without knowing he was a wizard, that was it, that was the premise, and then I worked backwards from
there - how could he not know, so that is where all the back story came and there is a lot of back story as you
know, and in fact now I am in book seven, I realise just how much back story there is because there is still a
lot to explain and a lot find out.
Richard: You must have had to invent the back story further, further down the line, you couldn't possibly
have started with this massive ...
Jo: Oh no, of course I didn't. I've got I don't know how many characters in play, but I've got a lot of 200 or
something ridiculous
Richard: But did you think as you were writing the subsequent books - Oh why did I write that ...
Jo: Yes.
Richard: ... in Book 2 that screwed me and I can't write such and such now ...
Jo: Yeah. Never - I don't think I have ever done that on a really major plot point, but certainly a couple of
things I have hit a snag, and I have thought well I have boxed myself in - if only I had left something open
earlier then there would be an easier way to wriggle through that hole, but I have always found a way
Richard: Like chess.
Jo: Well it is a complicated plot, and the resolution is ...
Judy: Yeah, keeping it all in your mind ...
Richard: But is the last book finished now? Judy says it was in your safe, I know the last chapter ...
Jo: No, the last book is not finished, though I am well into it now
Richard: But you have written the finale already ..
Jo: I wrote the final chapter in something like 1990? oh hang on, I wrote the final chapter in something like
1990
Judy: really, so you knew exactly how the series was going to end
Jo: Well pretty much yeah.
Judy: Gosh
Jo: I've been lambasted for that by a couple of people. I think they thought it was very arrogant of me to
write the ending of my seven book series when I didn't have a publisher and no-one had ever heard of me,
but when you have got absolutely nothing you can plan whatever you like can't you, who cares?
Judy: Absolutely, and before we ask how you started writing the other thing that stuck all of us including our
son who is a megafan was when the books started to get darker, the whole evil-good thing started to get
much stronger and I think that was - well it was a bit darker with the mudbloodsin the second book, but in the
Prisoner of Azkaban that's when it got really heavy ...
Jo: The dementors
Judy: With the dementors, yeah, all of that, and was that something you intended all along, or did it just
develop?
Jo: I did intend it all along, because as Harry grows up, these parallel things are happening aren't they,
Harry's getting older and older and more and more skilled, and simultaneously Voldemort is getting more
and more powerful and he is returning to a physical form, because of couse in the first book he isn't a
physical entity really, but people have always said that to me, and I agree that the books have got a lot
darker. The imagery in the first book where Voldemort appears in the back of Quirrell's head, I still think is
one of the creepiest things I have ever written - I really do - and also the image of the cloaked figure drinking
the unicorn blood this thing slithering across the ground which they did very well in the film of Philosopher's
Stone, I think those are very macabre images so I don't think that you could say from the first book that I
wasn't setting out my stall really, I was saying that this is a world were some pretty nasty things happen.
Judy: Yes I know that but what I am saying is that what I started to see was parallels with things like racism
and
Jo: Yes, definitely
Judy: aparteid and genocide and all that sort of stuff.
Jo: That was very conscious, that Harry entered this world that a lot of us would fanticize would be
wonderful, I've got a magic wand and everything will be fabulous, and the point being that human nature is
human nature, whatever special powers and talents you have, so he walks though, well you could say the
looking glass couldn't you, he walks into this amazing world, and it is amazing, and he immediately
encounters all the problems you think he would have left behind and they are in an even more extravagent
form because everything is exacerbated by magic.
Richard: You can run but you can't hide.
Jo: Definitely yes. Richard: You have talked about having a game plan of seven books from the word go,
before you even had a publisher, and you must have been doing back-handsprings of delight when the
Philosopher's Stone got published.
Jo: Yes, I was.
Richard: any author, to have their first book published,br> Jo: an unbelievable moment yeah
Richard: What pleasure, and optimisism
Jo: You could pretty much say that nothing since has come close, but that is testimony to what a moment
of euphoria that was.
Richard: When did the euphoria change to something ...
Jo: to terror?
Richard: Well maybe it was terror, but at what point in the books did you think, well hold on, this isn't just a
best seller, this isn't just quite a nice series where I am enjoying and the readers are, this is unprecedented.
It has been said that if you put all the books that have been bought, that you have written about Harry Potter,
end to end they go around the world, around the equator nearly one and a half times, and we ain't finished
yet. When did you wake up and think this is historic? Because it is historic, you will go down in publishing
history, over probably the next three centuries
Jo: I honestly don't think of it in those terms, although for the first books I was in real denial, about, I really
lived in denial for a long time.
Judy: about the fame?
Jo: Yeah, totally. And I think that is where my reputation for being somewhat
Richard: recluse?
Jo: Po-faced came from, because I was like a rabbit caught in the headlights, and the only way I could
cope was it's small not really that big a deal, you know, and things keep on happening, journalists start
doorstepping you and you pick up a paper and there are causal references to Harry Potter, that's the
freakiest thing, is that it permiates odd stories and it becomes - that's more of an indication to me how big it
has become than anything else, I remember there was a phase where I didn't buy the papers, because it
was becoming a bit strange to me, and normally I devour newspapers, and then, it was Wimbledon - this was
a few years back - and I thought, it is safe to read Wimbledon, stop being so ... get over yourself, so I picked
up this paper andI turn to this account of a match with Venus Williams and they said, I just saw Harry Potter
staring up at me, and they were talking about bludgers, you know the balls in Quidditch, and they were saying
that her serve was so powerful, it was being compared to a bludger, with not much explanation, but that was
very cool - things like that are wonderful.
Richard: But that's the fame thing. That's entering the lexicon of ordinarydialogue, what they call water
cooler conversation, and that's not just to do with reading the latest book, its a continuous thing with you now.
What about the wealth? And I don't mean to be prurient about that because it is just want it is, but you are
unbelievably wealthy, beyond the dreams of avarice, really. How has that changed life for you?
Jo: Well, it's great!
Richard: Thank you for saying that.
Jo: Frankly, not to crack out the violins or anything, but if you have been through a few years where things
have been very tough and they were very tough, and it's not so much romanticised, but it is dismissed in half
a sentence, oh starving in a garret, and occasionally I have thought well you try it pal, you go there and see, it
wasn't a publicity stunt, it was my life, and at that time I didn't know there was going to be this amazing
resolution, I thought this would be life for twenty years.
Richard: But did you ever fell guilty about the amount of money, because ...
Jo: Yeah, I did, I absolutely did. There came a point where, because initially I have to say that initially
people were reporting, and they still do frequently report much more than I have got - I am not pretending I
am not hugely wealthy because I am - but sometimes they print figures that certainly my accountant wouldn't
recognize. But in the early days they were saying I was a millionaire and I was nowhere near a millionaire. So
that's weird and mind-warping when you are used to counting every penny Richard: Seventy quid a week you
were on?
Jo: Yeah
Judy: So, What was happening to you was that basically, there was you the same as you had ever been,
writing this book that you were thinking about andwriting for ages.
Jo: for donkeys years
Judy: and suddenly it took off, just this one book, and the next book, and you suddenly realised that this
person, you, actually had taken on a life of her own, which wasn't you at all, and you were completely
Jo: I think that is completely accurate and think that you sit there thinking but I am still the same idiot I was
yesterday, but suddenly people are interested in what I have got to say and my response to that was to clam
up a lot because I felt that suddenly this light had been shone on me, underneath my stone, and it was a time
of real turmoil when I first became subjected to that kind of scuntiny, because I felt a loyalty to the person I
had been yesterday, and I didn't want to say oh it was dreadful because it really hadn't been dreadful and
we'd been doing okay and I'd been teaching and my daughter would still say, said to me yesterday in fact,
that we were happy, so I didn't want to sit there and say oh it was all dreadful, and now it is fabulous darling
because I have got a bit of money
Judy: And is your daughter - your two new ones are still too little but Jessicawho has been with you right
from the beginning really and she adapted to it okay?
Jo: She's been phenomenal, and it hasn't always been easy for her because, well you can imagine, your
mother being J.K. Rowling. At one point I can remember her being pretty, metaphorically speaking, up
against the school railings, tell us what the title of the next book is, isn't not terribly easy
Judy: Up against the school railing by?
Jo: By other children, trying to get titles out of her and things, but she was amazing, she was very cool.
Richard: And what about - its not so much to do with the weatlh, though it might have been actually, but
certainly the fame thing - before you met your lovely husband, your incredibly lovely husband
Jo: Yes he is a lovely husband
Richard: Rock star looks, before that the dating
Judy: [picture] There he is
Richard: between the relationship that led to your lovely daughter, and him, there was a period where you
found this immense weatlh and success, and you have said that dating was really tricky, really hard, was that
because you expected guys to be coming on to you because of who you were
Jo: It wasn't so much that. To be perfectly honest with you, dating is just tricky if you are a single mother.
That's it. And the other business was a vaguely complicating factor, but by the time you have got a baby
sitter, the reality of life was, and I didn't have a nanny for quite a long time, I didn't have properly organised
child care because I think I was just - again I was in denial about it, that I needed it, and then there came a
point where I clearly needed it, I couldn't cover all my professional obligations, even though I was trying to
keep them minimal
Richard: You wanted to say I can cope, I can handle this.
Jo: Yeah, I did which is very much in my personality to pretend I can cope with things, and not ask for help,
until I've cracked up a bit.
Richard: Well we are all like that
Judy: So coming back, looking to where you are now personally as well as career wise professionally and
all that, you are in a very good place, touch wood
Jo: Yeah
Judy: Not that there is any wood around he to touch but - You are very happy, you have a lovely family ...
Jo: I am really lucky and I think that every day, I swear, every day I think how lucky I am,
Richard: Just looking at the constant theme - we will take a break in a couple minutesbut then you're back
and we've got some children in with questions but before they arrive - as you've said yourself, the theme of
the books is death isn't it,
Jo: Largely Richard: It is a hugely powerful theme, and you were writing the first one when your mother
died, she was 45, and you were very close to her and had you invisaged that death would be such a powerful
theme before her death, or did it inform that sense of loss
Jo: Definitely informed it. In the first draft - I had only been writing Harry for 6 months bfore she died - and
in the first draft I finished off his parents in a rather flippant way - and then mum died, and I just couldn't finish
off his parents in that flippant way, I couldn't, not now knowing what it felt like to lose a parent. That's very,
very different.
Judy: So that is why Harry's parents maintain this presence
Jo: They do maintain, yeah.
Judy: In the photographs
Richard: And in the mirror, of course
Jo: And in the mirror, yeah
Richard: And when you wrote that, I would be surprised if you were say that perhaps you shed a few tears,
when you wrote those sequences, when Harry sits there lost in reflections
Jo: That is my favourite chapter of the first book
Richard: It's a lovely chapter
Jo: It's one of my favourite chapters in the whole series.
Judy: That's what so reassuring about the books, they do deal with straight forward evil and death, you
always seem to leave a thread somewhere, even though they're inside ... I love all the headmasters, the past
headmasters and teachers in their little frames ... Just to end this particular section: I always loved that - what
was his name - the one who was always putting his hair in curlers, the Professor
Jo: Gilderoy
Judy: I love that idea of him, in the evenings sitting in that thing, taking his curlers out, putting them in and
everything. There is a great deal of humour in the book as well, and presumably that is just part of your
character?
Jo: Yeah, I think so, though you wouldn't always imagine it from the way I am described, would you, the old
curmudgeon, But yes, I think so.
Richard: Well, as you say, the last chapter is in the safe, you are tidying up the rest of the manuscript, but
this is the last of the books, that's it?
Jo: Yeah, well I have always said I might do a kind of encyclopaedia of the world for charity, just to round it
off.
Richard: But that's not the same as the creative ...
Jo: No, absolutely not. It is not the same as a story.
Richard: Can you live without Harry?
Jo: Well, I am going to have to learn, its going to be tough.
Richard: Why not extend it to nine then, seriously why stick to the seven? Is it too much to ask to do ...
Jo: Because I think you have got to go out, when you've
Richard: when you have done it?
Jo: Yeah, I think you have. I admire the people who go out when people still want more. And that's what I
want to do.
Richard: But I am also told, well actually I read this in Tatler, maybe it is an ungaurded comment you made,
that you have already completed another children's book for younger children.
Jo: Oh yeah. Its not completed, but its pretty far on, about half way
Richard: How long has that been in your mind for?
Jo: Not nearly as long as Harry. A few years.
Richard: And are you happy with it?
Jo: I really like it. It's for younger children, it's a kind of a fairy tale, it's a much smaller book, so that would
probably be a nice thing to go to after Harry, not another huge tome.
Richard: Is that the future then, can you envisage yourself picking up another huge idea like Harry Potter
and running it over ...
Jo: If I liked the idea enough I definitely would, but I don't think that I'm ever going to have anything like
Harry again, I think you just get one, like Harry.
Judy: Well, I think most people are hoping that in some point in your life that you will come back to him in
some way, shape or form there will be something, you will have generations ...
Jo: Harry Potter's mid-life crisis?
Richard: Should he survive to see one?
Jo: Should he survive to see one.
Judy: We'll take a break here ...
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Rik Shepherd wrote:
> scenario_dave wrote
>
> > Also, it prevents hack writers from using her characters after
> > she's dead. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
>
> But Conan Doyle killed Sherlock Holmes because because he thought that
> Holmes' popularity was eclipsing his other work (which he considered
> superior, though that is pretty much a minority view). And he killed Holmes
> in a rather open ended way - no body - and brought him back again (almost as
> if the whole death thing was a publicity stunt of some sort).
>
I only meantioned Sherlock to point out that writers do occasionally
try to kill off their most popular character.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #292158 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 03:25 |
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Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <1151372659.907199.196990 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> scenario_dave <scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >I understand where JKR is coming from. An author is debating several
> >ways to end the series.
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> She already knows how it ends. There's no debating.
>
An Author is refering to a generic author not JKR in specific. I guess
I didn't make this clear enough.
That didn't stop anyone from writing new stories. Until Jeremy Brett
> did them for television, _nobody_ had ever filmed any of the original
> Holmes stories (except for the Hound of the Baskervilles); they always
> wrote a new story. There are new stories about Holmes all the time.
It's a lot easier with Sherlock than with Harry. In Sherlock, each book
is a case for a detective that lived for many years. Writers just need
to create a new case. Writing a long book about the Harry would be
tough if he dies at age 17. Short stories, short novels, yes but not
a 7 book series.
>
> Actually, most of them were written for the adults of the French court
> of the 18th century, and reached the nursery by a trickle-down process.
> There was almost nothing written specifically for children until
> the nineteenth century.
>
> =Tamar
Very good point. I just don't understand why a lot of people think
that all children should be allowed to read has no real drama or danger
and is basically mindless. They seem to want to do to books and movies
what Disney has done to many classic children's stories.
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| Re: No Harry, No more reads [message #292159 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 03:40 |
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LadySri wrote:
> I have to say that killing off Harry, Ron, or Hermione would be a
> horrible mistake. As it is, its shaping up to be a wonderful "You are
> who you choose to be" morality tale, an excellent resource for kids in
> an age when evil is indiscriminate, like Voldemort. However, if any of
> these three die by the end of the series, it will not be a series I
> will have my children read. I don't care how they die. I don't care how
> "realistic" it might be. It would completely kill the message for
> children. It would remove motivation for fighting evil. Yes, people die
> in the fight- but in a book, where the message to fight and choose to
> do the right thing is so central, children need to see some reward for
> that; and death would not be seen as a reward, but rather, a punishment
> for trying to uphold what was right.
>
> Even hinting that Harry might die, for me, is a real turn-off. Why
> waste my time and money on a series that may turn out to be completely
> worthless and totally commercial?
I always felt that the message, All acts have consequences and
sometimes people have to make great sacrifices to do what's right is a
good message to give my children. I don't want my children in a
Disneyfied world, where every story has a Happy Ending and Good never
has to pay a price for defeating Evil.
Books that show consequences and self sacrifice are usually not
commerical. A book where Harry dies would be much less commercial in
the long run than one where everyone lives happily ever after.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #292190 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 06:56 |
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:23:36 +0300, "Markku Uttula"
<markku.uttula [at] disconova.com> wrote:
> I didn't see too much to suggest
>that Harry'll be the one to die. On the contrary, Jo's body language,
>tones of words, choice of wording suggested more to the exact opposite.
>But that's just my view, foreigner and one living in total denial of the
>possibility of Harry being the one to die.
Jo loves to hint she'll kill him off without saying it's a firm
possibility. Just to keep us guessing. This is what started the
whole Harry will die camp. she hinted she might kill him off by
registering surprise that we all expected him to live. It was never
enough to say she's being serious. The only thing going is why world
she want us to think Harry might die, just to surprise us with the
expected when he lives? II's not her style.
But now that we know she likes us to speculate, it might just be a
game to see if we could find plausible death scenarios. and gave us
something to think about and discuss between books. Almsot a see if
you've got the writing powers like I do thingie.
Or else she's admitted she's killing him and wants to see if we'll
notice how serious she was all along.
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| Re: Rowling: "I may kill off Harry Potter" [message #292195 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 08:13 |
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scenario_dave wrote:
> Rik Shepherd wrote:
>
>>scenario_dave wrote
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>>
>>>Also, it prevents hack writers from using her characters after
>>>she's dead. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
>>
>>But Conan Doyle killed Sherlock Holmes because because he thought that
>>Holmes' popularity was eclipsing his other work (which he considered
>>superior, though that is pretty much a minority view). And he killed Holmes
>>in a rather open ended way - no body - and brought him back again (almost as
>>if the whole death thing was a publicity stunt of some sort).
>>
>
>
> I only meantioned Sherlock to point out that writers do occasionally
> try to kill off their most popular character.
>
Anyone see the movie "Misery"?
*MYSTIC*
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| Re: No Harry, No more reads [message #292921 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 13:44 |
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On 27 Jun 2006 18:40:51 -0700, "scenario_dave"
<scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>I don't want my children in a
>Disneyfied world, where every story has a Happy Ending and Good never
>has to pay a price for defeating Evil.
I do, but in my Disneyfied world, animals are anthropomorphized and
wear clothes.
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