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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR
An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #286411] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 23:53
hengels  
It was found in an attic in Oxford and bore the title "A Long-expected
Orgy". It began: "When Mr Quacko Duckin of Duck's Behind announced that
he would shortly don a pair of trousers, there was much talk and
excitement in Duckburg." However, I talked him into changing the
subject matter a little. Descriptions of the obscene behaviour of the
eroquackers are not for the fainthearted.

Horus Engels
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #286412 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 00:11
pseudonimofaqhater  
hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:
> It was found in an attic in Oxford and bore the title "A Long-expected
> Orgy". It began: "When Mr Quacko Duckin of Duck's Behind announced that
> he would shortly don a pair of trousers, there was much talk and
> excitement in Duckburg." However, I talked him into changing the
> subject matter a little. Descriptions of the obscene behaviour of the
> eroquackers are not for the fainthearted.

Yes, Tolkien did censor that part out; but fortunately, FATS has the
videos. FREE if you join us at 1-900-KILLFAQ!
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #286413 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 01:00
hengels  
Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:
> > It was found in an attic in Oxford and bore the title "A Long-expected
> > Orgy". It began: "When Mr Quacko Duckin of Duck's Behind announced that
> > he would shortly don a pair of trousers, there was much talk and
> > excitement in Duckburg." However, I talked him into changing the
> > subject matter a little. Descriptions of the obscene behaviour of the
> > eroquackers are not for the fainthearted.
>
> Yes, Tolkien did censor that part out; but fortunately, FATS has the
> videos. FREE if you join us at 1-900-KILLFAQ!

With panting ducks? Or a hippo ballet, as in that Disney film,
"Fatarsia"? Whatever the truth of this matter, I'm shocked. Deeply
shocked. And we still have not learned whether Dick the Duck was
related to Duck the Dick. It's infamous!

Horus Engels
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #286429 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 23:45
Count Menelvagor  
hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:
> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> > hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:

> With panting ducks? Or a hippo ballet, as in that Disney film,
> "Fatarsia"? Whatever the truth of this matter, I'm shocked. Deeply
> shocked. And we still have not learned whether Dick the Duck was
> related to Duck the Dick. It's infamous!

i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's well-known
that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #290797 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 07:01
OMeallyMD  
Count Menelvagor wrote:

> i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's well-known
> that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?

The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this in
his analysis.

--
Bill

"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #290879 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 12:09
nanderson  
Bill O'Meally wrote:
> Count Menelvagor wrote:
>
> > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's well-known
> > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
>
> The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
> the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
> Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
> apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
> Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this in
> his analysis.
>
I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
"wings"......

Neil Anderson
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #291716 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 20:59
onq  
nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:
>
> Bill O'Meally wrote:
> > Count Menelvagor wrote:
> >
> > > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's well-known
> > > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
> >
> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this in
> > his analysis.
> >
> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
> "wings"......
>
> Neil Anderson

Heresy!

It was a wingless duck!

That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.

<ouch>

M.
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #291723 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:19
pseudonimofaqhater  
Bill O'Meally wrote:
> Count Menelvagor wrote:
>
> > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's well-known
> > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
>
> The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
> the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
> Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
> apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
> Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this in
> his analysis.

Do you think CT left out the ducks by accident? I don't. I think it's
all part of his vile game of suppressing the truth.
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #291758 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 22:02
Michael Hellman  
"Michael O'Neill" <onq [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:44A02EA0.78BF88F4 [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie...
> nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:
>>
>> Bill O'Meally wrote:
>> > Count Menelvagor wrote:
>> >
>> > > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's
>> > > well-known
>> > > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
>> >
>> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
>> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
>> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
>> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
>> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this
>> > in
>> > his analysis.
>> >
>> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
>> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
>> "wings"......
>>
>> Neil Anderson
>
> Heresy!
>
> It was a wingless duck!
>
> That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.
>
> <ouch>
>
> M.

Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time to kill
the orc?
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #292217 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 02:01
bredband.net  
"Michael Hellman" <grimgard [at] cavtel.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:F9gog.14$Zk5.583 [at] news.uswest.net...
>
> "Michael O'Neill" <onq [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:44A02EA0.78BF88F4 [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie...
>> nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:

[snip]

>>> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
>>> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
>>> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
>>> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
>>> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this
>>> > in
>>> > his analysis.
>>> >
>>> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
>>> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
>>> "wings"......
>>>
>>> Neil Anderson
>>
>> Heresy!
>>
>> It was a wingless duck!
>>
>> That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.
>>
>> <ouch>
>>
>> M.
>
> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time to kill
> the orc?

It got his goat, all right.

Öjevind
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #293173 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 15:00
nanderson  
Michael Hellman wrote:
> "Michael O'Neill" <onq [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:44A02EA0.78BF88F4 [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie...
> > nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill O'Meally wrote:
> >> > Count Menelvagor wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's
> >> > > well-known
> >> > > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
> >> >
> >> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
> >> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
> >> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
> >> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
> >> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this
> >> > in
> >> > his analysis.
> >> >
> >> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
> >> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
> >> "wings"......
> >>
> >> Neil Anderson
> >
> > Heresy!
> >
> > It was a wingless duck!
> >
> > That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.
> >
> > <ouch>
> >
> > M.
>
> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time to kill
> the orc?

The same one that was at Erebor? Obviously he was one of those who
listened to Balin and decided to return to Moria.

Neil Anderson
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #293186 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 18:34
onq  
Michael Hellman wrote:
>
> "Michael O'Neill" <onq [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:44A02EA0.78BF88F4 [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie...
> > nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill O'Meally wrote:
> >> > Count Menelvagor wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's
> >> > > well-known
> >> > > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
> >> >
> >> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
> >> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
> >> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
> >> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
> >> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this
> >> > in
> >> > his analysis.
> >> >
> >> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
> >> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
> >> "wings"......
> >>
> >> Neil Anderson
> >
> > Heresy!
> >
> > It was a wingless duck!
> >
> > That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.
> >
> > <ouch>
> >
> > M.
>
> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush
> that showed up just in time to kill
> the orc?

Mouldy crotch syndrome in Orcs?

If that's all an Orc dies from in Middle Earth, he'll be doing well.

Usually its a nasty sword swipe or gash with an axe.

M.
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #293230 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 02:43
Michael Hellman  
"Michael Hellman" <grimgard [at] cavtel.net> wrote in message
news:F9gog.14$Zk5.583 [at] news.uswest.net...
>
> "Michael O'Neill" <onq [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:44A02EA0.78BF88F4 [at] bwahahaha.indigo.ie...
>> nanderson [at] transact.bm wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill O'Meally wrote:
>>> > Count Menelvagor wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > i think this duck business is a bit of a hoax, even if it's
>>> > > well-known
>>> > > that Orcs had webbed feet. what does christopher tolkien say?
>>> >
>>> > The only duck reference that made it into the final draft was that of
>>> > the 'quick duck' that saved Sam in the battle of the Chamber of
>>> > Mazarbul. The significance of this duck suddenly appearing, in an
>>> > apparent deux ex machina moment, is lost after all the editing that
>>> > Tolkien had done for the final draft. Pity CT did not pick up on this
>>> > in
>>> > his analysis.
>>> >
>>> I understood there was more detail about the duck in prioir drafts, but
>>> they were deleted on the galley-proofs because of a reference to its
>>> "wings"......
>>>
>>> Neil Anderson
>>
>> Heresy!
>>
>> It was a wingless duck!
>>
>> That's why it was so quack on its feet to save Sam.
>>
>> <ouch>
>>
>> M.
>
> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time to kill
> the orc?
>
>
Wow, I just realized that my e-mail program is signing my posts with my name
rather than my handle. I'll have to see if I can't fix that.

grimgard
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #293233 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 04:39
OMeallyMD  
Michael Hellman wrote:
> Wow, I just realized that my e-mail program is signing my posts with
> my name rather than my handle. I'll have to see if I can't fix that.
>
> grimgard

Good God. O'Neill was right!

Welcome back!!

--
Bill

"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295333 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 20:03
Harold Marx Brzeznski  
Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:

> Do you think CT left out the ducks by accident? I don't. I think it's
> all part of his vile game of suppressing the truth.

But wouldn't even *he* have had to quail at the thought of suppressing
the role of the glorious ducks?

Yours in faith,

HM Brzeznski
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295334 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 20:05
TT Arvind  
Wes =F0u =D6jevind L=E5ng hal!
> > Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time to ki=
ll=20
> > the orc?
>=20
> It got his goat, all right.

*and* it left him utterly cowed.

--=20
Arvind
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295336 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 23:23
Christopher Kreuzer  
TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wes ðu Öjevind Lång hal!
>>> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time
>>> to kill the orc?
>>
>> It got his goat, all right.
>
> *and* it left him utterly cowed.

Don't you mean udderly cowed?
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295337 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 23:59
TT Arvind  
Wes =F0u Christopher Kreuzer hal!
> TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Wes =F0u =D6jevind L=E5ng hal!
> >>> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time
> >>> to kill the orc?
> >>
> >> It got his goat, all right.
> >
> > *and* it left him utterly cowed.
>=20
> Don't you mean udderly cowed?

Yes, but I thought it behooved me not to milk the puns dry.

--=20
Arvind
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295341 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 02:54
pseudonimofaqhater  
Harold Marx Brzeznski wrote:
> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
>
> > Do you think CT left out the ducks by accident? I don't. I think it's
> > all part of his vile game of suppressing the truth.
>
> But wouldn't even *he* have had to quail at the thought of suppressing
> the role of the glorious ducks?
>

Of what evil is he not capable?
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295343 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 04:44
OMeallyMD  
Harold Marx Brzeznski wrote:
> But wouldn't even *he* have had to quail at the thought of suppressing
> the role of the glorious ducks?

No. Quail are right out of the question. Tolkien rejected the idea early
on in favor of ducks.
--
Bill

"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295350 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 12:57
Christopher Kreuzer  
TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wes ðu Christopher Kreuzer hal!
>> TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wes ðu Öjevind Lång hal!
>>>>> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time
>>>>> to kill the orc?
>>>>
>>>> It got his goat, all right.
>>>
>>> *and* it left him utterly cowed.
>>
>> Don't you mean udderly cowed?
>
> Yes, but I thought it behooved me not to milk the puns dry.

This thread will go all cheesey soon with all this milk sloshing about.
We need a punnet to put the milk in.
Re: An Old Draft of the First Chapter of LotR [message #295352 ] So, 02 Juli 2006 13:03
bredband.net  
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:KENpg.94769

[snip]

>>>>>> Okay, so what about the sturdy thrush that showed up just in time
>>>>>> to kill the orc?
>>>>>
>>>>> It got his goat, all right.
>>>>
>>>> *and* it left him utterly cowed.
>>>
>>> Don't you mean udderly cowed?
>>
>> Yes, but I thought it behooved me not to milk the puns dry.
>
> This thread will go all cheesey soon with all this milk sloshing about.
> We need a punnet to put the milk in.

I like milk. If permitted, I'll simply wolf it down. Or "warg it down",as
they say in Middle-earth.

Öjevind
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