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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Archer's career - SPOILERS
| Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22493] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 16:54 |
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Spoilers for In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II
From Archer's biography on the Defiant's computer. This is Our
Archer, not the mirror one :
Ranks at Retirement : Admiral, Chief of Starfleet Command.
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169 - 2175.
Federation councilman, 2175 - 2183.
President of the United Federation of Planets, 2184 - 2192.
So he stayed on for eight years after the founding of the
Federation, rising in rank to the very top of Starfleet.
Then he left to become an Ambassador to Andoria, kinda makes
sense given his relationship with Shran.
Then he went into politics! Eight years on the Federation Council,
then eight more as President! I'd never have pegged him as a
politician.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22500 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 20:44 |
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> Graham Kennedy wrote
>
> From Archer's biography on the Defiant's computer.
Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22501 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 20:48 |
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Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>Graham Kennedy wrote
>>
>> From Archer's biography on the Defiant's computer.
>
>
> Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
Only the bits at the top.
Serial Number : SA-337-8195-CL (I think)
Rank ar retirement was Lieutenant Commander.
Birthplace : Kyoto, Japan.
I think the DVD might make these screens fully legible, when
it comes out eventually.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22512 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 21:47 |
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Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>Graham Kennedy wrote
>>
>> From Archer's biography on the Defiant's computer.
>
>
> Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
Aha! Mike Susman, the ep writer, has posted the full text on the net :
STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: Archer, Jonathan
Serial Number: SA-022-9237-CY
Rank at retirement: Admiral, Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Former Assignments:
Commanding officer, Enterprise NX-01, 2150-2160
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169-2175
Federation Councilman, 2175-2183
President, UFP 2184-2192
Birthplace: Upstate New York, North America, Earth
Parents: Henry and Sally Archer
Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan Archer was
appointed captain of Starfleet’s first warp five starship,
Enterprise NX-01. As an explorer and peacemaker, his name is
among the most recognized in the Federation, and his pioneering
voyages aboard the Enterprise are known to school children on
dozens of worlds, many of which were unknown to humans in
Archer’s lifetime. Historian John Gill called Archer the
"greatest explorer of the 22nd Century." Archer earned an
impressive list of commendations during his career, including
a Medal of Valor, with clusters, the Star Cross, the Preantares
Ribbon of Commendation, and the Federation Citation of Honor.
Archer was also appointed an honorary member of the Andorian
Guard by General Thy'lek Shran in 2164. He’s the only human
to have two planets named in his honor: Archer's Planet in
the Gamma Trianguli sector, and Archer IV, which orbits
61 Ursae Majoris. Archer IV was the first M-Class world
charted by the famous explorer. Although the planet was
uninhabitable throughout the 22nd Century due to toxic pollen
in the atmosphere, an antidote to the pollen was discovered
early in the 2200’s. Today, the population of Archer IV
numbers more than seven hundred million.
So the "Strange New World" planet ended up named Archer IV!
And they came up with a cure for the pollen and it's a
thriving world nowdays.
He then says there is a section which does not appear on
screen :
Archer died peacefully in his home in upstate New York in the
year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening
ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise,
NCC-1701.
We don't have a date of birth for Archer, but if he was about
35 when he took command of the NX-01 this would mean he died
at age 129.
Hoshi's Bio :
STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
Serial Number: SA-037-0198-CL
Rank at retirement: Lieutenant Commander
Former Assignment: Communications and Protocol officer, Enterprise NX-01
Birthplace: Kyoto, Japan, Earth
Hoshi Sato served as translator, and protocol and communications
officer on Starfleet’s first warp five starship, Enterprise
NX-01. Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129, she was the
second child in a family of three. After leaving Starfleet in
her late thirties, Sato created the linguacode translation
matrix, which is still in use aboard Federation starships today.
And the section not shown on screen :
Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand
people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage
caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony’s population.
Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in
order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto
with her husband, Takashi Kimura.
Again, we don't have a date of birth for Hoshi but if she were
30 when the NX-01 launched this would make her 125 when she
died.
Personally, I think it was probably a bad move to do the deaths
like that. I love that he wanted to link them in to TOS, but
the ages just stretch things a little far for comfort. And yes
McCoy lived to 134+, but that was with medical technology one
to two centuries advanced over the Enterprise era, and even then
McCoy was unusually old.
He had this to say regarding the bios :
I wouldn't really consider any of this "hard canon," so take
it all with a grain of salt. Both bios were slapped together
hastily and weren't approved by the exec producers. Some
trivia - the name of Hoshi's "husband" was cobbled together
from actors in some favorite Japanese films - Hoshi and
Linda Park share the same birthday.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22515 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 22:22 |
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> Graham Kennedy wrote
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
> >
> > Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
>
> STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
> Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129
>
> Again, we don't have a date of birth for Hoshi but if she were
> 30 when the NX-01 launched this would make her 125 when she
> died.
Her birthday is in the text above so Hoshi would have been
117 years old when she was killed, which is still pretty old.
> After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created
> the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use
> aboard Federation starships today.
Didn't Hoshi develop the translation matrix _before_ Archer
chose her to be in his crew?
IIRC, in the first episode Archer goes down to Earth to convince
her to join him on Enterprise and she shows him a gizmo that she
invented that translates alien speech.
> Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand
> people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage
> caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony's population.
> Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in
> order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto
> with her husband, Takashi Kimura.
So was she was executed (WTF?!) by the planetary governor
because of the food shortage or because of the fungus? Am
I missing some info here, is Kodos a Klingon or something?
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22518 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 22:46 |
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"Ed Stasiak" <estasiak [at] att.net> wrote in message
news:1114892572.476862.196230 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> So was she was executed (WTF?!) by the planetary governor
> because of the food shortage or because of the fungus? Am
> I missing some info here, is Kodos a Klingon or something?
The TOS ep: The Conscience of the King
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/686 86.html
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22519 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 22:53 |
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> Kweeg wrote
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
> >
> > Am I missing some info here, is Kodos a Klingon or something?
>
> The TOS ep: The Conscience of the King
Ah, that explains it. Thanks.
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22520 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 22:57 |
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"Ed Stasiak" <estasiak [at] att.net> wrote in message
news:1114892572.476862.196230 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Graham Kennedy wrote
> > > Ed Stasiak wrote
> > >
> > > Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
> >
> > STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
> > Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129
> >
> > Again, we don't have a date of birth for Hoshi but if she were
> > 30 when the NX-01 launched this would make her 125 when she
> > died.
>
> Her birthday is in the text above so Hoshi would have been
> 117 years old when she was killed, which is still pretty old.
>
> > After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created
> > the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use
> > aboard Federation starships today.
>
> Didn't Hoshi develop the translation matrix _before_ Archer
> chose her to be in his crew?
>
> IIRC, in the first episode Archer goes down to Earth to convince
> her to join him on Enterprise and she shows him a gizmo that she
> invented that translates alien speech.
>
> > Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand
> > people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage
> > caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony's population.
> > Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in
> > order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto
> > with her husband, Takashi Kimura.
>
> So was she was executed (WTF?!) by the planetary governor
> because of the food shortage or because of the fungus? Am
> I missing some info here, is Kodos a Klingon or something?
>
Kodos appears in the rather overwrought (and implausible, truth be told)
first season TOS episode "The Conscience of the King". A group of travelling
actors turns up, and Kirk is convinced that the troupe's leader, Anton
Karidian (I think, can't be bothered to watch it as I hate this episode) is
actually Kodos the Executioner, who was governer of Tarsus IV when Kirk, for
a reason never explained, was living there. The food shipments didn't turn
up, so Kodos had half the colonists executed so the supplies would sustain
the remainder. Then, bad luck, the supply ships turned up. For this he's
considered an evil man. He was thought dead. Kirk and only a few others are
still alive to remember him, and they're getting bumped off. By a remarkable
Trek Coincidence(TM) one of the others is Kevin Riley, who serves aboard the
Enterprise. He gets killed. Anyway, in the end they find that Karidian is
indeed the former Kodos, and his daughter was doing the murders to protect
him.
It's a strange episode. The man's set up as a mass murdering monster, but
then treated rather sympathetically. Nobody disputes that if he hadn't
executed half the colonists, and had the supply ships not turned up, the
whole colony would have starved to death- so in a sense he made a very
difficult decision that was horrible but right. And after all, the man doing
all the "Kodos the Executioner" stuff is the same Kirk who threatened to
destroy an entire world (A Taste Of Armaggedon) and nearly destroyed an
entire colony (Operation: Annihilate!) so he's hardly one to talk.
Apparently it's all in a days work to kill millions for the greater good if
you're a starship captain, but if you're the governor of an isolated colony,
it isn't. Frankly, Kirk's reasons for killing millions of people have seemed
considerably less convincing ("I'll lay waste your planet unless you release
my starship", "I'll kill all the colonists because after thinking very hard
for about a day, the officers on my one starship can't think of a way to get
rid of the parasites infecting the colonists").
I get the feeling that during script rewrites, Kodos' character got kind of
blurred.
Anyway, that's Kodos. In a nutshell. :)
Can anybody else think of great Trek moments when a starship captain thinks
themself sufficiently competent to decide whether millions should live or
die, without even phoning home to Starfleet?
Ian
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| Re: Archer's career - SPOILERS [message #22522 ] |
Sa, 30 April 2005 23:15 |
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Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>Graham Kennedy wrote
>>
>>>Ed Stasiak wrote
>>>
>>>Were you able to read Hoshi's file also?
>>
>>STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
>>Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129
>>
>>Again, we don't have a date of birth for Hoshi but if she were
>>30 when the NX-01 launched this would make her 125 when she
>>died.
>
>
> Her birthday is in the text above so Hoshi would have been
> 117 years old when she was killed, which is still pretty old.
Doh, should have read it more carefully.
>>After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created
>>the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use
>>aboard Federation starships today.
>
>
> Didn't Hoshi develop the translation matrix _before_ Archer
> chose her to be in his crew?
They do have a universal translator already, yeah.
I can only guess that the linguacode thing is some
sort of improvement.
> IIRC, in the first episode Archer goes down to Earth to convince
> her to join him on Enterprise and she shows him a gizmo that she
> invented that translates alien speech.
No, he shows her a recording of Klingon. But the
UT is already aboard Enterprise.
>>Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand
>>people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage
>>caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony's population.
>>Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in
>>order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto
>>with her husband, Takashi Kimura.
>
>
> So was she was executed (WTF?!) by the planetary governor
> because of the food shortage or because of the fungus? Am
> I missing some info here, is Kodos a Klingon or something?
This is from the TOS episode "Conscience of the King".
Kodos the Executioner was the governor of a Human colony.
Because of some disaster they ran low on food, and help
wasn't going to reach them in time. He decided to save
half by executing the other half to make the food stocks
last twice as long.
In the event the help got there early, and everybody
could have been saved after all.
Kodos was thought to have died, but Kirk turned him up
many years later.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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