| Re: Best books about Tolkien / Middle-Earth [message #282915] |
Sa, 17 Juni 2006 17:42 |
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"Steuard Jensen" <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> skrev i meddelandet
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> A notable book whose status is ambiguous is /The Atlas of
> Middle-earth/, by Karen Wynn Fonstad. It is the best general Tolkien
> atlas available, covering the full history of Middle-earth, and in
> most cases Fonstad has done well in extrapolating detailed topographic
> maps from Tolkien's texts and rougher originals. However, there are a
> fair number of minor errors in her research, and it can sometimes be
> difficult to tell what level of justification exists for each of her
> maps' details.
Would you give some examples, please?
Incidentally, what do you think of her depiction of and statements about
Minas Tirith? As described by her, the place seems awfully constricted and
cramped, perhaps able to accommodate less than 2,000 people, which can't be
right. I prefer to believe that Tolkien didn't really think things through
when he drew the city or gave measurements for it.
Öjevind
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| Re: Best books about Tolkien / Middle-Earth [message #282919 ] |
Sa, 17 Juni 2006 19:32 |
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"Öjevind Lång" <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> writes:
> Incidentally, what do you think of her depiction of and statements about
> Minas Tirith? As described by her, the place seems awfully constricted and
> cramped, perhaps able to accommodate less than 2,000 people, which can't be
> right. I prefer to believe that Tolkien didn't really think things through
> when he drew the city or gave measurements for it.
The town where I live[1] is a kind of micro-Minas-Tirith - it's built against
and around a small spur of the local hills, and it had a single city wall
in the Middle Ages (now almost entirely gone). Many streets and buildings
are still original (dating back to the 17th century).
The streets are quite cramped, with steep stairs connecting streets at
different heights. I can well believe that Minas Tirith had a similar
feeling.
As for the number of inhabitants, Herrenberg had about 1800 in 1622,
according to Wikipedia. I think that Minas Tirith would have room for
at least ten times that.
Bye,
Jens.
[1] http://www.herrenberg.de/
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrenberg
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.596592,8.870902&spn=0. 003143,0.006394&t=k
http://www.alder-digital.de/earth.php?long=8.8711&lat=48 .5968
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| Re: Best books about Tolkien / Middle-Earth [message #282932 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 21:20 |
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"Jens Kilian" <jjk [at] acm.org> skrev i meddelandet
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> The town where I live[1] is a kind of micro-Minas-Tirith - it's built
> against
> and around a small spur of the local hills, and it had a single city wall
> in the Middle Ages (now almost entirely gone). Many streets and buildings
> are still original (dating back to the 17th century).
> The streets are quite cramped, with steep stairs connecting streets at
> different heights. I can well believe that Minas Tirith had a similar
> feeling.
>
> As for the number of inhabitants, Herrenberg had about 1800 in 1622,
> according to Wikipedia. I think that Minas Tirith would have room for
> at least ten times that.
18,000 sounds more like the figure I had in mind.
Öjevind
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| Re: Best books about Tolkien / Middle-Earth [message #282947 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 07:40 |
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Ï "Jens Kilian" <jjk [at] acm.org> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
news:87irmz1ydb.fsf [at] gondolin.bb.bawue.de...
> "Ojevind Lang" <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> writes:
> > Incidentally, what do you think of her depiction of and statements
about
> > Minas Tirith? As described by her, the place seems awfully constricted
and
> > cramped, perhaps able to accommodate less than 2,000 people, which can't
be
> > right. I prefer to believe that Tolkien didn't really think things
through
> > when he drew the city or gave measurements for it.
>
> The town where I live[1] is a kind of micro-Minas-Tirith - it's built
against
> and around a small spur of the local hills, and it had a single city wall
> in the Middle Ages (now almost entirely gone). Many streets and buildings
> are still original (dating back to the 17th century).
> The streets are quite cramped, with steep stairs connecting streets at
> different heights. I can well believe that Minas Tirith had a similar
> feeling.
>
> As for the number of inhabitants, Herrenberg had about 1800 in 1622,
> according to Wikipedia. I think that Minas Tirith would have room for
> at least ten times that.
>
> Bye,
> Jens.
Sehr schone Stadt, obwohl ich noch nicht da war:-)Bei Stuttgart bin ich
gewesen, aber das war schon 10 Jahre her.Deine Stadt sieht schoner als Minas
Tirith aus, aber wo sind die Gebirge?
Very nice city, although I have not been there:-)I have been in Stuttgart,
but this was 10 years ago.Your city looks better than Minas Tirith, but
where are the hills?
--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering,freelance electrician
542nd mechanized infantry batallion
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
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