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| The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282695] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 23:07 |
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One of the things that Tolkien's admirers refrain from mentioning is the
shameless way in which he advertised various products in his works. No doubt
he was bribed by commercial intersts. Let me give a few examples:
1. From "The Uruk-hai": "Uglúk thrust a flask between his teeth and poured
some liquid down his throat: he felt a hot fierce glow go through him." And
a bit later on: "An Orc stooped over him, and flung him some bread and a
strip of raw dried flesh. He ate the stale grey bred hungrily, but not the
meat."
This clearly refers to the coffee and hamburgers served at McDonald's. I
wonder how much they paid Tolkien to include this shameless piece of
marketing in his book. Mind you, even Tolkien clearly baulked at openly
advising anyone to eat the meat served at McDonald's.
2. From "Three is Company": "A fox passing through the wood on business of
his own stopped several minutes and sniffed. "'Hobbits!' he thought. 'Well,
what next? I have heard of strange doings in this land, but I have seldom
heard of a hobbit sleeping out of doors under a tree. There is something
mighty queer behind this.' He was quite right."
This is the most blatant propaganda for the "fair and balanced" reporting
of Fox News. "He was quite right", forsooth! Moreover, notice the
underhanded queer-bashing going on here.
3. And then there is this exhortation from "The Passage of the Marshes":
"Eat fish every day, three times a day, fresh from the sea." This siren call
was no doubt inspired by a hefty bribe from the fishing industry - perhaps
even from Norwegian or Swedish processed food companies. I suspect the slimy
fin of Findus.
Shame on them!
4. From "A Long-expected Party": "Old Gaffer Gamgee got a bottle of ointment
for his creaking joints." I believe that in HoME VI, p. 29, footnote 8,
there is a statement that Tolkien originally wrote "Bengay" instead of
"ointment" but then felt slightly embarrassed at being so obvious.
5. From "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit": "I'll cook you some taters one of
these days. I will: fried fish and chips served by S. Gamgee."
This is the work of the British tourist industry, luring unsuspecting
foreigners into the tourist traps serving such delicacies.
6. From "The Field of Cormallen": "There came Gwaihir the Windlord, and
Landroval his brother, greatest of all the Eagles of the North, mightiest of
the descendants of old Thorondor, who built his eyries in the inaccessible
peaks of the Encircling Mountains when Middle-earth was young."
Don't the people at Ryanair have any shame at all? Invoking the legendary
past of the North to sell their substandard flying services!
I am affronted.
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282699 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 23:59 |
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=D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> One of the things that Tolkien's admirers refrain from mentioning is the
> shameless way in which he advertised various products in his works. No do=
ubt
> he was bribed by commercial intersts. Let me give a few examples:
you're lying and flaming, as is your wont. how much did pseudonymus
pay you to compose this screed?
all the advertisements were clearly interpolations by that sellout,
christopher tolkien, who falsified tolkien's truth with such
abominations as coffee ads on mount doom. there's even a bit where he
portrays faramir as the marlboro man.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282700 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 01:01 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
> I am affronted.
Actually you are an arrears.
Bob Kolekr
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282703 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 00:24 |
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"Öjevind Lång" <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> wrote in message
news:4f3f0vF1gmbecU1 [at] individual.net...
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> 1. From "The Uruk-hai": "Uglúk thrust a flask between his teeth and poured
> some liquid down his throat: he felt a hot fierce glow go through him."
> And a bit later on: "An Orc stooped over him, and flung him some bread and
> a strip of raw dried flesh. He ate the stale grey bred hungrily, but not
> the meat."
> This clearly refers to the coffee and hamburgers served at McDonald's...
> Mind you, even Tolkien clearly baulked at openly advising anyone to eat
> the meat served at McDonald's.
That wasn't meat. That was a fried oliphant scab.
This dish became quite popular during the Fourth Age when the remaining wood
Elves set up a yearly Ent Fest that featured Uruk-tossing (some Uruks always
perished in the heats) and Uruk tried their hands (and arms) at the
Troll-turd-toss (but since Trolls don't readily give up their shit like some
Pantagruel, each turd had to be exracted by each competing Uruk -- this was
considered part of the sport -- since Trolls are made of stone you can
imagine what, even if you're and Uruk, happens when a stone sphincter closes
tightly on your arm -- one Uruk even earned the nickname "Stinky" because he
was known for giving "SUCH a PINCH!" and for threatening to "HARM you!").
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282706 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 03:53 |
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Count Menelvagor wrote:
> =D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> > One of the things that Tolkien's admirers refrain from mentioning is the
> > shameless way in which he advertised various products in his works. No =
doubt
> > he was bribed by commercial intersts. Let me give a few examples:
>
> you're lying and flaming, as is your wont. how much did pseudonymus
> pay you to compose this screed?
>
> all the advertisements were clearly interpolations by that sellout,
> christopher tolkien, who falsified tolkien's truth with such
> abominations as coffee ads on mount doom. there's even a bit where he
> portrays faramir as the marlboro man.
You're afraid to face the truth, minion of Steuard.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282707 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 04:43 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
> 2. From "Three is Company": "A fox passing through the wood on
> business of his own stopped several minutes and sniffed. "'Hobbits!'
> he thought. 'Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this
> land, but I have seldom heard of a hobbit sleeping out of doors under
> a tree. There is something mighty queer behind this.' He was quite
> right." This is the most blatant propaganda for the "fair and
> balanced" reporting of Fox News. "He was quite right", forsooth!
> Moreover, notice the underhanded queer-bashing going on here.
No, no, no. You've got it all wrong! He was actually *bashing* Fox
(Faux) News. Note later on we meet Bill the Pony, who is obviously
supposed to be none other than Bill O'Reilly. Tolkien is telling us he
think's he's a horse's ass.
--
Bill
"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282709 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 04:57 |
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"Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Jx4jg.23309$8T4.2636 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> No, no, no. You've got it all wrong! He was actually *bashing* Fox
> (Faux) News. Note later on we meet Bill the Pony, who is obviously
> supposed to be none other than Bill O'Reilly. Tolkien is telling us he
> think's he's a horse's ass.
> --
Noodles and Ninnyhammers!! This is an obvious pitch for Maoist Revolution,
where the masses will overcome like a hammer, and be rewarded with noodles.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282719 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 16:04 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
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> I am affronted.
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> Öjevind
HEE!! You are in quite the mood, lately.
Michelle
Flutist
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282722 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:20 |
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"Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:Jx4jg.23309$8T4.2636 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Öjevind Lång wrote:
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>> 2. From "Three is Company": "A fox passing through the wood on
>> business of his own stopped several minutes and sniffed. "'Hobbits!'
>> he thought. 'Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this
>> land, but I have seldom heard of a hobbit sleeping out of doors under
>> a tree. There is something mighty queer behind this.' He was quite
>> right." This is the most blatant propaganda for the "fair and
>> balanced" reporting of Fox News. "He was quite right", forsooth!
>> Moreover, notice the underhanded queer-bashing going on here.
>
> No, no, no. You've got it all wrong! He was actually *bashing* Fox (Faux)
> News. Note later on we meet Bill the Pony, who is obviously supposed to be
> none other than Bill O'Reilly. Tolkien is telling us he think's he's a
> horse's ass.
No, that can't be right. That doesn't figure.To me, at least, it is quite
obvious that the person standing in for Bill O'Reilly in the book is Bill
Ferny. There is even the disgusting: "Pah!"
Who would Bill Ferny's sallow, squint-eyed friend be? Ann Coulter in drag?
Dick Cheney, maybe?
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282723 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:22 |
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"Michelle J. Haines" <mhaines [at] nanc.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:473cc$448d73e0$4127760a$16619 [at] hpnx.com...
> Öjevind Lång wrote:
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>> I am affronted.
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>> Öjevind
>
> HEE!! You are in quite the mood, lately.
Well, I don't have to post through Google Groups any longer. That could make
anyone take wing.
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282724 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:47 |
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Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> Count Menelvagor wrote:
[snip]
> > you're lying and flaming, as is your wont. how much did pseudonymus
> > pay you to compose this screed?
> >
> > all the advertisements were clearly interpolations by that sellout,
> > christopher tolkien, who falsified tolkien's truth with such
> > abominations as coffee ads on mount doom. there's even a bit where he
> > portrays faramir as the marlboro man.
>
> You're afraid to face the truth, minion of Steuard.
No man comes to the truth except through the gates of Isengard. Gondor
has failed, and deservedly so. The truth is to be found in the research
done by the thoughtful humanitarian Saruman, not in the libellous
rubbish posted by the likes of Tolkien, Dan Brown and Steuard Jensen.
There is no hope left in Elves or dying N=FAmenor. A new Power is
arising, one that will overcome everything with shock and awe. That
Power offers its friendship to those who would help it instead of
hindering it with bleeding-heart objections. This, then, is the choice
before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise. There is hope
that way. Its victory is at hand: and there will be rich reward for
those who aided it. As the power grows, its proved friends will also
grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience at last come
to direct its courses, to control it. We can bide our time, we can
keep our thougts in our hearts, deploring maybe the evils done by the
way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge, Rule,
Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to
accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends.
But if one insists, as the infamous Count does, on invoking degenerated
Elves such as Celeporn, Fatrolfin and Flatulfin, little wonder is it if
the world of science and sanity responds to his half-baked, lying
TROLLS with jeers, heckling and lots of custard pies in the face.
Come on, now! Denmark and Micronesia show the way.
Horus Engels
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282735 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:20 |
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hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:
> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
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> > You're afraid to face the truth, minion of Steuard.
>
> No man comes to the truth except through the gates of Isengard. Gondor
> has failed, and deservedly so. The truth is to be found in the research
> done by the thoughtful humanitarian Saruman, not in the libellous
> rubbish posted by the likes of Tolkien, Dan Brown and Steuard Jensen.
> There is no hope left in Elves or dying N=FAmenor. A new Power is
> arising, one that will overcome everything with shock and awe. That
> Power offers its friendship to those who would help it instead of
> hindering it with bleeding-heart objections. This, then, is the choice
> before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise. There is hope
> that way. Its victory is at hand: and there will be rich reward for
> those who aided it. As the power grows, its proved friends will also
> grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience at last come
> to direct its courses, to control it. We can bide our time, we can
> keep our thougts in our hearts, deploring maybe the evils done by the
> way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge, Rule,
> Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to
> accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends.
That's what Morambar keeps saying. But no one will listen, not even
when I mark off his radio transcripts by 50%.
> But if one insists, as the infamous Count does, on invoking degenerated
> Elves such as Celeporn, Fatrolfin and Flatulfin, little wonder is it if
> the world of science and sanity responds to his half-baked, lying
> TROLLS with jeers, heckling and lots of custard pies in the face.
> Come on, now! Denmark and Micronesia show the way.
I have snipped him because I cannot bear to see him in the same post as
your wisdom.
By the way, do you think a TV miniseries of your life would sell?
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282737 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:23 |
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=D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> "Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:Jx4jg.23309$8T4.2636 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > No, no, no. You've got it all wrong! He was actually *bashing* Fox (Fau=
x)
> > News. Note later on we meet Bill the Pony, who is obviously supposed to=
be
> > none other than Bill O'Reilly. Tolkien is telling us he think's he's a
> > horse's ass.
>
> No, that can't be right. That doesn't figure.To me, at least, it is quite
> obvious that the person standing in for Bill O'Reilly in the book is Bill
> Ferny. There is even the disgusting: "Pah!"
> Who would Bill Ferny's sallow, squint-eyed friend be? Ann Coulter in dr=
ag?
> Dick Cheney, maybe?
Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282744 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:48 |
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"Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III" <pseudonimofaqhater [at] yahoo.com.br> wrote in
message news:1150154596.002527.49220 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Öjevind Lång wrote:
> > Who would Bill Ferny's sallow, squint-eyed friend be? Ann Coulter in
> drag?
> > Dick Cheney, maybe?
> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
I see the same bad acid from 1969 is still floating around.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282757 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:44 |
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Öjevind Lång <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> wrote:
> One of the things that Tolkien's admirers refrain from mentioning is
> the shameless way in which he advertised various products in his
> works. No doubt he was bribed by commercial intersts. Let me give a
> few examples:
<snip>
Only 6?
> I am affronted.
I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282765 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 03:45 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
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> Well, I don't have to post through Google Groups any longer. That could make
> anyone take wing.
Fly and be free, little bird.
Michelle
Flutist
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282768 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 04:35 |
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Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
Shame on you for confusing Galadriel with Shelob!
--
Bill
"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282791 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 13:02 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> <snip>
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> Only 6?
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>>I am affronted.
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> I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
More then enough has already been said about Flight to the Ford.
Morgil
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282800 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 17:27 |
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"Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Tvpjg.29027$GM.13582 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
>> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
>> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
>
> Shame on you for confusing Galadriel with Shelob!
No, more Ungoliant than Shelob.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282810 ] |
Di, 13 Juni 2006 19:09 |
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"David Gray Porter" <portniek [at] earthlink.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: vPAjg.12482$921.1576 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Tvpjg.29027$GM.13582 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
>>> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
>>> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
>>
>> Shame on you for confusing Galadriel with Shelob!
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> No, more Ungoliant than Shelob.
>
Nothing of such stature and power. More like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins to
me. :-)
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282828 ] |
Mi, 14 Juni 2006 01:28 |
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Morgil wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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> > <snip>
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> > Only 6?
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> >>I am affronted.
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> > I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
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> More then enough has already been said about Flight to the Ford.
to say nothing of mt. viagra. and the cadillac of harad.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282830 ] |
Mi, 14 Juni 2006 01:32 |
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Charilaos Velaris wrote:
> "David Gray Porter" <portniek [at] earthlink.net> a =E9crit dans le message de
> news: vPAjg.12482$921.1576 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > "Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:Tvpjg.29027$GM.13582 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> >>> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
> >>> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
> >>
> >> Shame on you for confusing Galadriel with Shelob!
> >
> > No, more Ungoliant than Shelob.
> >
>
> Nothing of such stature and power. More like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins to
> me. :-)
i think you're all insulting womanhood, and the truth is that tolkien
modelled the mewlips on ann coulter. the likeness is really quite
extraordinary.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282842 ] |
Mi, 14 Juni 2006 20:42 |
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"Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor [at] mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:1150241529.645405.200120 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Charilaos Velaris wrote:
> "David Gray Porter" <portniek [at] earthlink.net> a écrit dans le message de
> news: vPAjg.12482$921.1576 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > "Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:Tvpjg.29027$GM.13582 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
> >>> Ann Coulter is the most beautiful woman in the world, and Tolkien
> >>> modelled the character of Galadriel on her magnetic charm.
> >>
> >> Shame on you for confusing Galadriel with Shelob!
> >
> > No, more Ungoliant than Shelob.
> >
>
> Nothing of such stature and power. More like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins to
> me. :-)
i think you're all insulting womanhood,
What woman has an Adam's apple?
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282892 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 00:04 |
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"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:BTnjg.85131
[snip]
> I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
Oh, the examples of his commercialized infamy are legion. Here are a few
more:
1. From "The Bridge of Khazad-dûm":
"The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness
grew. It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew
itself up to a great height, and its wings spread from wall to wall."
Notice that "the fire in it seemed to die" when its wings had been fried.
Yes, this is an underhanded advertisment for Colonel Saunders' Kentucky
Fried Chicken. I suspect that the term "buffalo wings" is actually a
corruption of "balrog wings", just as the French "crévisse" was
transmogrified into "crayfish".
2. From "Farewell to Lórien": "The food was mostly in the form of very thin
cakes, made of a meal that was baked a light brown on the inside, and inside
was the colour of cream." We are then informed of how yummy this product of
Cadbury's is.
3. In the very same chapter, the shipping industry is also given a boost:
"...there was a hythe of white stones and white wood. By it were moored many
boats and barges. Some were brightly painted, and shone with silver and gold
and green, but most were either white or grey."
So the White Star shipping line had also made it worth Tolkien's while to
do some advertising for them.
4. From "The King of the Golden Hall": "Many woven cloths were hung upon the
walls, and over their wide spaces marched figures of ancient legend, some
dim with years. some darkling in the shade. but upon one form the sunlight
fell: a young man upon a white horse. He was blowing a great horn, and his
yellow hair was flying in the wind. The horse's head was lifted, and its
nostrils were wide and red as it neighed, smelling battle afar. Foaming
water, green and white, rushed and curled about its knees."
The handicrafts industry got its commerical too...
5. In "A Long-expected Party", we read the following: "The dragon passed
like an express train, turned a somersault, and burst over Bywater with a
deafening explosion."
So British Railways were among the business interests that bribed Tolkien.
However, the man was not totally devoid off decency; he did feel impelled to
warn against the dangers of using their services when travelling.
6. From "The Houses of Healing". "The weed is better than I thought. It
reminds me of the roses of Imloth Melui when I was a lass, and no king could
ask for better."
Yah, buy some flowers for a loved one! The florists shelled out some lucre
for nice Master Tolkien too.
The whole book is tainted with greed. Damnable, oh, damnable!
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282896 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 01:53 |
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Öjevind Lång <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> wrote:
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> news:BTnjg.85131
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> [snip]
>
>> I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
>
> Oh, the examples of his commercialized infamy are legion. Here are a
> few more:
<snip>
LOL! Thanks!
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282897 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 02:27 |
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"Öjevind Lång" <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang>
revealed in message
news:4fe3scF1htu0uU1 [at] individual.net...
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> [snip]
>
> 2. From "Farewell to Lórien": "The food was
> mostly in the form of very thin cakes, made of a
> meal that was baked a light brown on the inside,
> and inside was the colour of cream." We are then
> informed of how yummy this product of Cadbury's
> is.
Hmmm.... I thought that was an advert for
twinkies. ; )
Also, the Phial of Galadriel is clearly a product
placement for Energizer batteries. It just keeps
going and going and going...
-Lurking Laurie
(campos can be found at prodigy dot net)
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282898 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 04:43 |
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> I am affronted.
>
> =D6jevind
Tolkien knew that only consumerism could keep the British Empire going
in the face of creeping socialism (which triumphed under Attlee) and
that it was the lack of a
use-it-up-and-throw-it-away-for-a-more-expensive-one ethic that doomed
Numenor.
You Bolshies are all alike.
Tsar Parmathule
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282899 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 04:55 |
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=D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> news:BTnjg.85131
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> [snip]
>
> > I'm disappointed. Surely you can come up with more than 6... :-)
>
> Oh, the examples of his commercialized infamy are legion. Here are a few
> more:
>
> 2. From "Farewell to L=F3rien": "The food was mostly in the form of very =
thin
> cakes, made of a meal that was baked a light brown on the inside, and ins=
ide
> was the colour of cream." We are then informed of how yummy this product =
of
> Cadbury's is.
elvish food is crap.
> 4. From "The King of the Golden Hall": "Many woven cloths were hung upon =
the
> walls, and over their wide spaces marched figures of ancient legend, some
> dim with years. some darkling in the shade. but upon one form the sunlight
> fell: a young man upon a white horse. He was blowing a great horn, and h=
is
> yellow hair was flying in the wind. The horse's head was lifted, and its
> nostrils were wide and red as it neighed, smelling battle afar. Foaming
> water, green and white, rushed and curled about its knees."
> The handicrafts industry got its commerical too...
AND the perfume industry. "smelling" indeed. very subtle, aren't we,
"tolkien" (if that is your real name).
> 5. In "A Long-expected Party", we read the following: "The dragon passed
> like an express train, turned a somersault, and burst over Bywater with a
> deafening explosion."
oh, that whole chapter is replete with product placements. see, for
example: "there were great bundls of fireworks all marked with a large
red G [...]. that was gandalf's mark, of course. [...] "G for Grand!"
they shouted."
so we have trademarks and ad slogans for gandalf. no wonder tolkien
keeps making him look so good. he was PAID to.
and toys R us gets a plug: "there were toys the like of which they had
never seen before, all beautiful and some obviously magical. many of
them [...] had come all the way from the Mountain and from Dale, and
were of real dwarf-make."
> 6. From "The Houses of Healing". "The weed is better than I thought. It
> reminds me of the roses of Imloth Melui when I was a lass, and no king co=
uld
> ask for better."
> Yah, buy some flowers for a loved one! The florists shelled out some lu=
cre
> for nice Master Tolkien too.
and weed? is advertising that even legal?
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282901 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 06:01 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
That was great! LOL! Thanks!
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282902 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 16:15 |
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"Lurking Laurie" <campos [at] prodigy.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:OVmkg.24613$VE1.3649 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
[snip]
> Also, the Phial of Galadriel is clearly a product placement for Energizer
> batteries. It just keeps going and going and going...
I thought the coneys that Gollum chases in Ithilien symbolized the energizer
bunnies. I can just see them all jump in a row, with Gollum last.
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282903 ] |
Fr, 16 Juni 2006 16:17 |
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"Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor [at] mailandnews.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1150426529.793438.220160 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
>and toys R us gets a plug: "there were toys the like of which they had
never seen before, all beautiful and some obviously magical. many of
them [...] had come all the way from the Mountain and from Dale, and
were of real dwarf-make."
And produced by underpaid, non-union labour.
>> 6. From "The Houses of Healing". "The weed is better than I thought. It
>> reminds me of the roses of Imloth Melui when I was a lass, and no king
>> could
>> ask for better."
>> Yah, buy some flowers for a loved one! The florists shelled out some
>> lucre
>> for nice Master Tolkien too.
>and weed? is advertising that even legal?
Hey, we all know what Tolkien burned in that pipe of his!
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282909 ] |
Sa, 17 Juni 2006 01:18 |
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=D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> "Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor [at] mailandnews.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1150426529.793438.220160 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> >and toys R us gets a plug: "there were toys the like of which they had
> never seen before, all beautiful and some obviously magical. many of
> them [...] had come all the way from the Mountain and from Dale, and
> were of real dwarf-make."
>
> And produced by underpaid, non-union labour.
You guys need to stop being so bleeding-heart about Tolkien's
advertising, his labor practices, and his support for Columbian
paramilitaries. That's free enterprise, dudes.
No, the *real* outrage is that Tolkien stole all his material from
Morambar without even so much as a by-your-leave or a thank-you-ma'am.
We seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of copyright, don't
we, Tolkie-baby?
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282913 ] |
Sa, 17 Juni 2006 17:14 |
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"Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III" <pseudonimofaqhater [at] yahoo.com.br> skrev i
meddelandet news:1150499897.050571.244920 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
>No, the *real* outrage is that Tolkien stole all his material from
Morambar without even so much as a by-your-leave or a thank-you-ma'am.
We seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of copyright, don't
we, Tolkie-baby?
Shoot. I thought Tolkien stole his ideas from Saul Zaentz.
Öjevind
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282916 ] |
Sa, 17 Juni 2006 17:45 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
> "Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III" <pseudonimofaqhater [at] yahoo.com.br> skrev i
> meddelandet news:1150499897.050571.244920 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>No, the *real* outrage is that Tolkien stole all his material from
>
> Morambar without even so much as a by-your-leave or a thank-you-ma'am.
> We seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of copyright, don't
> we, Tolkie-baby?
>
> Shoot. I thought Tolkien stole his ideas from Saul Zaentz.
Has anyone seen Morambar and Zaentz together?
Morgil
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #282922 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 04:54 |
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Morgil wrote:
> =D6jevind L=E5ng wrote:
> > "Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III" <pseudonimofaqhater [at] yahoo.com.br> skrev i
> > meddelandet news:1150499897.050571.244920 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com.=
..=2E
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >>No, the *real* outrage is that Tolkien stole all his material from
> >
> >> Morambar without even so much as a by-your-leave or a thank-you-ma'am.
> > >We seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of copyright, don't
> > >we, Tolkie-baby?
> >
> > Shoot. I thought Tolkien stole his ideas from Saul Zaentz.
>
> Has anyone seen Morambar and Zaentz together?
tolkien didn't exactly *steal*; on the contrary, the elvish lobby paid
him quite well to spread its loathsome lies.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #286409 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 23:41 |
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Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
<snip>
> That's what Morambar keeps saying. But no one will listen, not even
> when I mark off his radio transcripts by 50%.
Ill does it behoove him to associate with the adherents of the Church
of Sainted Mickey Mouse. He deserves wearing the mandatory garb of the
evil rodent worshippers - red shorts with big yellow buttons.
> > But if one insists, as the infamous Count does, on invoking degenerated
> > Elves such as Celeporn, Fatrolfin and Flatulfin, little wonder is it if
> > the world of science and sanity responds to his half-baked, lying
> > TROLLS with jeers, heckling and lots of custard pies in the face.
> > Come on, now! Denmark and Micronesia show the way.
>
> I have snipped him because I cannot bear to see him in the same post as
> your wisdom.
>
> By the way, do you think a TV miniseries of your life would sell?
I have already signed the contract with Fox News. It will be called "My
Wife, and Welcome to It".
Horus Engels
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #286430 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 23:50 |
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hengels [at] swirve.com wrote:
> Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > That's what Morambar keeps saying. But no one will listen, not even
> > when I mark off his radio transcripts by 50%.
>
> Ill does it behoove him to associate with the adherents of the Church
> of Sainted Mickey Mouse. He deserves wearing the mandatory garb of the
> evil rodent worshippers - red shorts with big yellow buttons.
>
you should be more tolerant of other beliefs.
> > By the way, do you think a TV miniseries of your life would sell?
>
> I have already signed the contract with Fox News. It will be called "My
> Wife, and Welcome to It".
how deligthfully romantic.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #295360 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 00:19 |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:07:38 +0200, "Öjevind Lång"
<bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> wrote, in part:
>5. From "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit": "I'll cook you some taters one of
>these days. I will: fried fish and chips served by S. Gamgee."
> This is the work of the British tourist industry, luring unsuspecting
>foreigners into the tourist traps serving such delicacies.
Actually, there might be some justice in this one; Tolkien deliberately
anachronistically put potatoes into the story to give his characters an
"English" diet. And one can give Sam Gamgee a specific British accent as
well.
But in general, the sort of far-fetched logic you are using in your post
is such as could lead to the conclusion that the Balrog goes around
wearing fluffy bunny slippers!
John Savard
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #295406 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 22:03 |
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"John Savard" <seewebsite [at] excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message
news:44a84670.3328568 [at] news.usenetzone.com...
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:07:38 +0200, "Öjevind Lång"
> <bredband.net [at] ojevind.lang> wrote, in part:
>
>>5. From "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit": "I'll cook you some taters one of
>>these days. I will: fried fish and chips served by S. Gamgee."
>> This is the work of the British tourist industry, luring unsuspecting
>>foreigners into the tourist traps serving such delicacies.
>
> Actually, there might be some justice in this one; Tolkien deliberately
> anachronistically put potatoes into the story to give his characters an
> "English" diet. And one can give Sam Gamgee a specific British accent as
> well.
>
> But in general, the sort of far-fetched logic you are using in your post
> is such as could lead to the conclusion that the Balrog goes around
> wearing fluffy bunny slippers!
>
> John Savard
> http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
> _________________________________________
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On the contrary; fish and chips is the preferred diet of the professional
tournament poker player.
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| Re: The Unabashed Consumerism in Tolkien [message #298164 ] |
Mo, 10 Juli 2006 15:36 |
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"grimgard" <grimgard [at] cavtel.net> wrote in message
news:hKeqg.5$Oy2.1908 [at] news.uswest.net...
> "John Savard" <seewebsite [at] excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message
[snip]
> > But in general, the sort of far-fetched logic you are using in your post
> > is such as could lead to the conclusion that the Balrog goes around
> > wearing fluffy bunny slippers!
> >
> > John Savard
> > http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
We have photographic evidence of this! They're pink. (Well, I don't know
about the "bunny" part.) (Hmmm.... that doesn't sound quite right, but I
have to move on...)
> On the contrary; fish and chips is the preferred diet of the professional
> tournament poker player.
"500 .... Mus' be a *peach* of a hand."
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