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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » A Thought
| A Thought [message #282390] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 01:36 |
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I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
able to see the house.
--
Brent
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| Re: A Thought [message #282391 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 02:24 |
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Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
> able to see the house.
>
Do secrets die with secret keepers?
If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
alive.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282398 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 08:28 |
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I had a simliar thought, in another topic.
However, I don't think Harry will be getting married or settling down
until the threat of Voldemort is gone. And when/if he does marry and
live a (somewhat) normal life, I doubt he will be residing in Sirius'
old house even though he owns it now. Too many memories for him. It may
become the Order's permenant HQ or something.
Brent Braten wrote:
> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
> able to see the house.
>
> --
> Brent
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| Re: A Thought [message #282401 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 09:35 |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:24:00 +0100, pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
>Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
>> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
>> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
>> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
>> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
>> able to see the house.
>>
>
>Do secrets die with secret keepers?
Yes.
>If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
>alive.
Sure, if anybody thought he was the Secret Keeper. And since nobody
did, nobody 'd be alerted.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282413 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 16:45 |
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What do you mean, buy a new house if he marries Ginny? There's room at
the Burrow, now that Percy and the twins have moved out.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282418 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 08:12 |
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In article <MPG.1f0544fb3fdfc48698aaf1 [at] nntp.dsl.pipex.com>,
pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
>Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
>> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
>> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
>> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
>> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
>> able to see the house.
Ginny and Hermione have already been in #12, so that's no problem.
>Do secrets die with secret keepers?
>
>If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
>alive.
JKR says no, as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact, it's
now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what it's
used for, etc.
=Tamar
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| Re: A Thought [message #282424 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 09:28 |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:51 -0400, GZICARD [at] webtv.net (FRED ZICARD)
wrote:
>What do you mean, buy a new house if he marries Ginny? There's room at
>the Burrow, now that Percy and the twins have moved out.
Married couples tend to want their own lives, not live with one
spouse's family.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282438 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 00:28 |
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Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <MPG.1f0544fb3fdfc48698aaf1 [at] nntp.dsl.pipex.com>,
> pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
> >Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
> >> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
> >> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
> >> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
> >> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
> >> able to see the house.
>
> Ginny and Hermione have already been in #12, so that's no problem.
He said anybody BUT Ginny or Hermione. If he and Cho got back
together, say. And whoever he married, he couldn't tell their kids
where their own address was, Hogwarts wouldn't know where to send the
owls, etc.
Likewise, in time, everyone who knows where the place is will simply
die out, and it will be left alone, only Mrs. Black's portrait in an
empty house, for all time. Unless there is a statute of limitations or
something.
> >Do secrets die with secret keepers?
> >
> >If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
> >alive.
>
> JKR says no, as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact, it's
> now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
> was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
> be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
> JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what it's
> used for, etc.
That IS very interesting.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282445 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 05:52 |
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Toon escribió:
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:51 -0400, GZICARD [at] webtv.net (FRED ZICARD)
> wrote:
>
>> What do you mean, buy a new house if he marries Ginny? There's room at
>> the Burrow, now that Percy and the twins have moved out.
>
> Married couples tend to want their own lives, not live with one
> spouse's family.
There are cases, although mostly of them ended up whether neurotic or
divorced.
Anyway, by the time Harry marries Ginny (if), that place might be empty.
Now, in there live Arthur, Molly, Ron and Ginny. The twins and Percy
have both their own places, It looks like the same is for Charlie. Bill
and Fleur might want their own house, so, in a couple of years, the
place would be for Ron and Hermy... If they got another place
(probably), Ginny would eventually get the Burrow if Arthur and Molly
don't survive the Second War.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282452 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 09:52 |
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:52:13 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Toon escribió:
>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:51 -0400, GZICARD [at] webtv.net (FRED ZICARD)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you mean, buy a new house if he marries Ginny? There's room at
>>> the Burrow, now that Percy and the twins have moved out.
>>
>> Married couples tend to want their own lives, not live with one
>> spouse's family.
>
>There are cases, although mostly of them ended up whether neurotic or
>divorced.
>
>Anyway, by the time Harry marries Ginny (if), that place might be empty.
>Now, in there live Arthur, Molly, Ron and Ginny. The twins and Percy
>have both their own places, It looks like the same is for Charlie. Bill
>and Fleur might want their own house, so, in a couple of years, the
>place would be for Ron and Hermy... If they got another place
>(probably), Ginny would eventually get the Burrow if Arthur and Molly
>don't survive the Second War.
And she might not want it, as too any memories there.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282485 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 16:32 |
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"Karnak17" <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote in message
news:1151188102.440286.30180 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Richard Eney wrote:
> > In article <MPG.1f0544fb3fdfc48698aaf1 [at] nntp.dsl.pipex.com>,
> > pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
> > >Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
++ secret keepers and 12GP
> He said anybody BUT Ginny or Hermione. If he and Cho got back
> together, say. And whoever he married, he couldn't tell their kids
> where their own address was, Hogwarts wouldn't know where to send the
> owls, etc.
>
> Likewise, in time, everyone who knows where the place is will simply
> die out, and it will be left alone, only Mrs. Black's portrait in an
> empty house, for all time. Unless there is a statute of limitations or
> something.
Interesting thought - the country could be littered with secret addresses
no-one knows about anymore, not even the WW!
> > >Do secrets die with secret keepers?
> > >
> > >If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
> > >alive.
> >
> > JKR says no, as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact,
it's
> > now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
> > was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
> > be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
> > JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what
it's
> > used for, etc.
>
> That IS very interesting.
Indeed, she made quite a point of this, so it probably is significant. But
why? Although how far does the secret go - Dd told the Ds about it although
he wasn't the secret keeper. Presumably the only secret part is the actual
address?
But that makes me wonder, how does it work - if lots of people know
something, but then it's made a secret, they can't repeat their knowledge.
That could cause all sorts of problems - what if you made something ordinary
the subject of a secret-keeper spell, such as the MoM, or "London", or even
Accio! All of a sudden, no-one would be able to tell anyone else (such as
kids or visiting wizards) where to find it! Fred and George would have great
fun making each other secret keepers to all sorts of things.
But what about thestrals - could you give them a description to go somewhere
without passing on the exact/secret address?
And if Wormtail is the SK for the address where the Potters were killed
(Godricks Hollow?), how is Harry going to find it???
++Tonks, the metamorphmagus
On another note, JKR made a big thing about Tonks being a metamorphmagus in
OoTP. Again, I suspect it wasn't just for general interest: there's usually
an ulterior motive in that it will come in handy later on. But I can't
recall when it proved useful in OoTP or HBP - did I miss something or could
this be being saved up for HB#7?
DaveD
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| Re: A Thought [message #282487 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 16:56 |
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DaveD wrote:
> "Karnak17" <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote in message
> news:1151188102.440286.30180 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Richard Eney wrote:
> > > In article <MPG.1f0544fb3fdfc48698aaf1 [at] nntp.dsl.pipex.com>,
> > > pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
> > > >Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
>
> ++ secret keepers and 12GP
>
> > He said anybody BUT Ginny or Hermione. If he and Cho got back
> > together, say. And whoever he married, he couldn't tell their kids
> > where their own address was, Hogwarts wouldn't know where to send the
> > owls, etc.
> >
> > Likewise, in time, everyone who knows where the place is will simply
> > die out, and it will be left alone, only Mrs. Black's portrait in an
> > empty house, for all time. Unless there is a statute of limitations or
> > something.
>
> Interesting thought - the country could be littered with secret addresses
> no-one knows about anymore, not even the WW!
>
>
> > > >Do secrets die with secret keepers?
> > > >
> > > >If so, surely that would have alerted someone that Wormtail was still
> > > >alive.
> > >
> > > JKR says no, as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact,
> it's
> > > now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
> > > was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
> > > be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
> > > JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what
> it's
> > > used for, etc.
> >
> > That IS very interesting.
>
> Indeed, she made quite a point of this, so it probably is significant. But
> why? Although how far does the secret go - Dd told the Ds about it although
> he wasn't the secret keeper. Presumably the only secret part is the actual
> address?
DD WAS the secret keeper. AND he told the Dursley's the address.
That's the point. With DD dead, no new members of the Order can ever
again be brought to Grimmauld Place -- but the Dursley's can.
> But that makes me wonder, how does it work - if lots of people know
> something, but then it's made a secret, they can't repeat their knowledge.
> That could cause all sorts of problems - what if you made something ordinary
> the subject of a secret-keeper spell, such as the MoM, or "London", or even
> Accio! All of a sudden, no-one would be able to tell anyone else (such as
> kids or visiting wizards) where to find it! Fred and George would have great
> fun making each other secret keepers to all sorts of things.
Probably everyone who KNOWS the Secret would need to participate in the
spell. So London wouldn't be possible.
> But what about thestrals - could you give them a description to go somewhere
> without passing on the exact/secret address?
>
> And if Wormtail is the SK for the address where the Potters were killed
> (Godricks Hollow?), how is Harry going to find it???
Good point. It would have to be from Wormtail.
> ++Tonks, the metamorphmagus
>
> On another note, JKR made a big thing about Tonks being a metamorphmagus in
> OoTP. Again, I suspect it wasn't just for general interest: there's usually
> an ulterior motive in that it will come in handy later on. But I can't
> recall when it proved useful in OoTP or HBP - did I miss something or could
> this be being saved up for HB#7?
It might be an indirect way of giving clues about animagi.
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| Re: A Thought [message #282488 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 17:16 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Toon escribi=F3:
> > On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:51 -0400, GZICARD [at] webtv.net (FRED ZICARD)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What do you mean, buy a new house if he marries Ginny? There's room at
> >> the Burrow, now that Percy and the twins have moved out.
> >
> > Married couples tend to want their own lives, not live with one
> > spouse's family.
>
> There are cases, although mostly of them ended up whether neurotic or
> divorced.
>
> Anyway, by the time Harry marries Ginny (if), that place might be empty.
> Now, in there live Arthur, Molly, Ron and Ginny. The twins and Percy
> have both their own places, It looks like the same is for Charlie. Bill
> and Fleur might want their own house, so, in a couple of years, the
> place would be for Ron and Hermy... If they got another place
> (probably), Ginny would eventually get the Burrow if Arthur and Molly
> don't survive the Second War.
Harry will be a wealthy man when he comes of age. IF Molly and Arthur
die, and Harry marries Ginny, then HE will provide a home for her --
not steal his more impoverished chum Ron's only inheritance from him as
a way of saving a few sickles. =20
If Ron dies, then MAYBE.
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| Re: A Thought [message #290794 ] |
Mo, 26 Juni 2006 08:45 |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:32:01 GMT, "DaveD"
<davedn1DELETE [at] THESEblueyonderBITS.co.uk> wrote:
>And if Wormtail is the SK for the address where the Potters were killed
>(Godricks Hollow?), how is Harry going to find it???
He's not. He's the SK for the fact that the Potters were hiding in
the house there. The house and street, etc were never kept a secret.
That's why Voldie could have looked through a window and never saw
them. The house wasn't the secret. The house as their for anybody to
see. Probably due to the fact people see it on a daily basis, and
even the stupidest Muggle would notice a whole house has vanished.
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| Re: A Thought [message #290944 ] |
Mo, 26 Juni 2006 15:31 |
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Karnak17 wrote:
> Richard Eney wrote:
> > JKR says as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact, it's
> > now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
> > was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
> > be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
> > JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what it's
> > used for, etc.
>
> That IS very interesting.
I often wondered about that scene where DD tells the Dursleys about
12GP. It struck me as odd that he would be so forthright in front of
them, which makes me wonder if there's a particular reason for that
talk to take place at all. Considering JK's penchant for foreshadowing
and writing seemingly innocuous passages which turn out to be
important, perhaps the fact that Petunia, in particular, knows about
12GP will prove to be a plot device for book seven.
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| Re: A Thought [message #291523 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:55 |
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Fred Zicard wrote:
> What do you mean, buy a new house?
Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: A Thought [message #291524 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:56 |
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DaveD wrote:
> Karnak 17 wrote:
>> Richard wrote:
> ++ secret keepers and 12GP
>> In time, everyone who knows where the place is will simply die out, and
>> it will be left alone, only Mrs. Black's portrait in an empty house,
>> for all time. Unless there is a statute of limitations or something.
> Interesting thought - the country could be littered with secret addresses
> no-one knows about anymore, not even the WW!
Not 'could be', it has to be, unless the spell is relatively new.
>>> When DD died, #12 was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about
>>> it. Even Harry won't be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it
>>> very interesting that JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much
>>> about the house, what it's used for, etc.
>> That IS very interesting.
> Indeed, she made quite a point of this, so it probably is significant.
> But why? Although how far does the secret go - Dd told the Ds about it
> although he wasn't the secret keeper. Presumably the only secret part is
> the actual address?
> But that makes me wonder, how does it work - if lots of people know
> something, but then it's made a secret, they can't repeat their
> knowledge. That could cause all sorts of problems - what if you made
> something ordinary the subject of a secret-keeper spell, such as the
> MoM, or "London", or even Accio! All of a sudden, no-one would be able
> to tell anyone else (such as kids or visiting wizards) where to find it!
> Fred and George would have great fun making each other secret keepers to
> all sorts of things.
Voldemort could store a horcrux somewhere, make one of his henchman the
secret keeper for the hiding place, and then kill him. Perfect.
> But what about thestrals - could you give them a description to go
> somewhere without passing on the exact/secret address?
> And if Wormtail is the SK for the address where the Potters were killed
> (Godricks Hollow?), how is Harry going to find it???
Harry lived there, so he'd be okay.
> ++Tonks, the metamorphmagus
> On another note, JKR made a big thing about Tonks being a metamorphmagus
> in OoTP. Again, I suspect it wasn't just for general interest: there's
> usually an ulterior motive in that it will come in handy later on. But I
> can't recall when it proved useful in OoTP or HBP - did I miss something
> or could this be being saved up for HB#7?
My theory is that she wasn't Tonks at all, but an imposter.
It explains a great deal, the 'changed' Patronus for one.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: A Thought [message #291532 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:56 |
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Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Fred Zicard wrote:
>
>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>
> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
>
>
But we don't know what happened to it. Althought, when Sirius offered
Harry a home in PoA, he might have meant it.
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| Re: A Thought [message #291555 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:31 |
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In article <1151188102.440286.30180 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
Karnak17 <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote:
>Richard Eney wrote:
>> pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:
>>>Brent Braten [bbraten [at] bresnan.net] said
>>>> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
>>>> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret
>>>> with him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione
>>>> (my bet is Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise,
>>>> she would not be able to see the house.
>>
>> Ginny and Hermione have already been in #12, so that's no problem.
>
>He said anybody BUT Ginny or Hermione. If he and Cho got back
>together, say. And whoever he married, he couldn't tell their kids
>where their own address was, Hogwarts wouldn't know where to send the
>owls, etc.
Oops, yes, my mistake.
>Likewise, in time, everyone who knows where the place is will simply
>die out, and it will be left alone, only Mrs. Black's portrait in an
>empty house, for all time. Unless there is a statute of limitations or
>something.
I suspect it will last forever or until something very basic fails,
and I don't know what that might be. But it might be one heck of an
oubliette - a jail that literally nobody could find once the last
jailer dies! Take away Voldemort's powers and imprison him there!
=Tamar
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| Re: A Thought [message #291576 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 07:00 |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:56:48 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>
>> Interesting thought - the country could be littered with secret addresses
>> no-one knows about anymore, not even the WW!
>
>Not 'could be', it has to be, unless the spell is relatively new.
Or people don't generally use it like this.
>
>Voldemort could store a horcrux somewhere, make one of his henchman the
>secret keeper for the hiding place, and then kill him. Perfect.
Maybe not. RAB was convinced he'd return for the locket. It'd only
work if the SK tells V where it is. and that doesn't include
accidental destruction. Say he made the cave the secret. But a cave
in destroys the bowl, and a stalactite destroys the locket. Bye bye
Soul Bit.
>My theory is that she wasn't Tonks at all, but an imposter.
>
>It explains a great deal, the 'changed' Patronus for one.
Or we can accept the given explanation.
Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
Now, how many D E's would hate DD enough to have such a look lf
disgust before killing him?
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| Re: A Thought [message #291577 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:55 |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:55:06 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>Fred Zicard wrote:
>
>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>
>Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
>
If he willed it to Harry. He might have only concentrated on 12GP to
make sure the order had a HQ.
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| Re: A Thought [message #291675 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 22:22 |
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In article <1151332090.524927.106420 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Karnak17 wrote:
>> Richard Eney wrote:
>
>> > JKR says as long as the secret was kept, it stays kept. In fact, it's
>> > now permanently limited to those who already know. When DD died, #12
>> > was sealed to anyone who didn't already know about it. Even Harry won't
>> > be able to open it to anyone else. Which makes it very interesting that
>> > JKR chose to have DD tell the Dursleys so much about the house, what it's
>> > used for, etc.
>>
>> That IS very interesting.
>
>I often wondered about that scene where DD tells the Dursleys about
>12GP. It struck me as odd that he would be so forthright in front of
>them, which makes me wonder if there's a particular reason for that
>talk to take place at all. Considering JK's penchant for foreshadowing
>and writing seemingly innocuous passages which turn out to be
>important, perhaps the fact that Petunia, in particular, knows about
>12GP will prove to be a plot device for book seven.
I'm certain it will be used at some point, though possibly not for
anything important. Still, the Dursley scene always parallels something
else in the same book, and it's usually a significant event.
In HBP, the temporary magical force that made them sit on the couch
and shut up when DD wanted to talk to them is parallelled by more
than one incident in which someone is magically kept still.
Not only Harry on the train, but also Harry on the tower.
=Tamar
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| Re: A Thought [message #292119 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:23 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>> Fred Zicard wrote:
>>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
> If he willed it to Harry. He might have only concentrated on 12GP to
> make sure the order had a HQ.
You should remember what Chekhov said about guns above fireplaces.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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| Re: A Thought [message #292120 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:24 |
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Drusilla wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>> Fred Zicard wrote:
>>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
> But we don't know what happened to it. Althought, when Sirius offered
> Harry a home in PoA, he might have meant it.
Indeed.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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| Re: A Thought [message #292121 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:26 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>> Interesting thought - the country could be littered with secret
>>> addresses no-one knows about anymore, not even the WW!
>> Not 'could be', it has to be, unless the spell is relatively new.
> Or people don't generally use it like this.
Perhaps.
>> Voldemort could store a horcrux somewhere, make one of his henchman the
>> secret keeper for the hiding place, and then kill him. Perfect.
> Maybe not. RAB was convinced he'd return for the locket. It'd only
> work if the SK tells V where it is. and that doesn't include
> accidental destruction. Say he made the cave the secret. But a cave
> in destroys the bowl, and a stalactite destroys the locket. Bye bye
> Soul Bit.
There are other horcruxes, and better places than caves.
>> My theory is that she wasn't Tonks at all, but an imposter.
>> It explains a great deal, the 'changed' Patronus for one.
> Or we can accept the given explanation.
Yeah, like Rowling would never write a plot twist, would she?
> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
> Now, how many D E's would hate DD enough to have such a look lf
> disgust before killing him?
Severus did not hate Albus, he hated being forced to kill his ~only~
friend for the good of the cause. The scene was eerily reminiscent of
the Inferi cave, with Harry's self-loathing at poisoning Dumbledore.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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| Re: A Thought [message #292189 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 06:59 |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:26:59 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>
>No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
change in rare circumstances.
Now, this love of Lupin came out of left field. But is not the first
time a writer magically creates nonexistent love.
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| Re: A Thought [message #292191 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 06:59 |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:23:52 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>Car Toon wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Fred Zicard wrote:
>
>>>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>
>>> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>>> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
>
>> If he willed it to Harry. He might have only concentrated on 12GP to
>> make sure the order had a HQ.
>
>You should remember what Chekhov said about guns above fireplaces.
>
Always set them to stun?
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| Re: A Thought [message #292955 ] |
Mi, 28 Juni 2006 19:35 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
>
>> Fred Zicard wrote:
>>
>>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>>
>>
>> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
>>
>>
> But we don't know what happened to it. Althought, when Sirius offered
> Harry a home in PoA, he might have meant it.
But we DO know that Harry is the Heir to TWO fortunes -
1 - His Fathers that allowed James to not work
and
2 - The Black Family Fortune - which Sirius left to Harry
SOmehow I think he can afford a place to live.
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| Re: A Thought [message #297742 ] |
Sa, 08 Juli 2006 13:02 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
> change in rare circumstances.
Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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| Re: A Thought [message #297747 ] |
Sa, 08 Juli 2006 12:59 |
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Tamar RE wrote:
> I'm certain it will be used at some point, though possibly not for
> anything important. Still, the Dursley scene always parallels something
> else in the same book, and it's usually a significant event.
> In HBP, the temporary magical force that made them sit on the couch
> and shut up when DD wanted to talk to them is parallelled by more
> than one incident in which someone is magically kept still.
> Not only Harry on the train, but also Harry on the tower.
What about Marge blowing up?
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: A Thought [message #297748 ] |
Sa, 08 Juli 2006 13:01 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>> Car Toon wrote:
>>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>>> Fred Zicard wrote:
>>>>> What do you mean, buy a new house?
>>>> Harry already has a house, apart from 12 Grimmauld Place; it's the one
>>>> that Sirius bought with his inheritance from his Uncle Alphard.
>>> If he willed it to Harry. He might have only concentrated on 12GP to
>>> make sure the order had a HQ.
>> You should remember what Chekhov said about guns above fireplaces.
> Always set them to stun?
Always taken down to be fired, (in the last act of the play).
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: A Thought [message #297800 ] |
So, 09 Juli 2006 10:07 |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:02:43 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>Car Toon wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>
>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>
>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>> change in rare circumstances.
>
>Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
>
Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
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| Re: A Thought [message #297837 ] |
Mo, 10 Juli 2006 04:44 |
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Toon escribió:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:02:43 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
> Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>
>> Car Toon wrote:
>>
>>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>>> change in rare circumstances.
>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
>>
>
> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
He He, then Lupin would be the surprised one... :P
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| Re: A Thought [message #300135 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:40 |
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Car Toon wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>>> change in rare circumstances.
>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
I'm tempted to reply "someone his own age", but the whole love bit
is merely part of the deception. Nystulcs will explain. ^_^
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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| Re: A Thought [message #300142 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 02:54 |
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Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Car Toon wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>
>>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>
>>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>>>> change in rare circumstances.
>
>>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
>
>> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
>
> I'm tempted to reply "someone his own age", but the whole love bit
> is merely part of the deception. Nystulcs will explain. ^_^
He He. Actually, other day was thinking: Thewlis is 43, way older than
Remus is and Natalia Tena, according to Wikipedia, 22... that's even
creepier than the difference between the 'real' Lupin and Tonks :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena
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| Re: A Thought [message #300152 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 05:18 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribi=F3:
> > Car Toon wrote:
> >
> >> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
> >>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
> >
> >>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
> >>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
> >>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
> >
> >>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
> >>>> change in rare circumstances.
> >
> >>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
> >
> >> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
> >
> > I'm tempted to reply "someone his own age", but the whole love bit
> > is merely part of the deception. Nystulcs will explain. ^_^
>
> He He. Actually, other day was thinking: Thewlis is 43, way older than
> Remus is and Natalia Tena, according to Wikipedia, 22... that's even
> creepier than the difference between the 'real' Lupin and Tonks :P
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena
LOL...real life is imitating art! Thewlis's girlfriend, Anna Friel,
just turned 30 and they've been together for a few years.
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| Re: A Thought [message #300156 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 05:26 |
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wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
>>> Car Toon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>>>>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>>>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>>>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>>>>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>>>>>> change in rare circumstances.
>>>>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
>>>> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
>>> I'm tempted to reply "someone his own age", but the whole love bit
>>> is merely part of the deception. Nystulcs will explain. ^_^
>> He He. Actually, other day was thinking: Thewlis is 43, way older than
>> Remus is and Natalia Tena, according to Wikipedia, 22... that's even
>> creepier than the difference between the 'real' Lupin and Tonks :P
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena
>
>
> LOL...real life is imitating art! Thewlis's girlfriend, Anna Friel,
> just turned 30 and they've been together for a few years.
>
HAHA!!! I forget about that at the moment! But yes, actually, Anna Friel
did wanted to play Tonks :)
http://www.filmfocus.co.uk/newsdetail.asp?NewsID=419
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| Re: A Thought [message #300187 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 10:04 |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:54:42 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
>> Car Toon wrote:
>>
>>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Unless snape's an imposter, mislead Harry, and the real Snape's a
>>>>>>> hostage after being found out to be a member of the Order.
>>
>>>>>> No. Snape's a double agent; the Tonks we met was unlike her, and
>>>>>> we were fed 'explanations' by characters to justify this - in a book
>>>>>> which began with warnings to the wizarding world about imposters.
>>
>>>>> You're reading way too much into it. Tonks is Tonks. patronus's
>>>>> change in rare circumstances.
>>
>>>> Yeah, like Rowling never springs surprises on us.
>>
>>> Not that one. Who else could be in love with Lupin?
>>
>> I'm tempted to reply "someone his own age", but the whole love bit
>> is merely part of the deception. Nystulcs will explain. ^_^
>
>He He. Actually, other day was thinking: Thewlis is 43, way older than
>Remus is and Natalia Tena, according to Wikipedia, 22... that's even
>creepier than the difference between the 'real' Lupin and Tonks :P
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena
What about Sally Field playing, Ton Hanks' mom (It was Tom, right)
despite being younger than he.
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| Re: A Thought [message #300214 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 00:13 |
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Brent Braten wrote:
> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
> able to see the house.
>
> --
> Brent
Why not? The wording of Dumbledore's note was quite specific.
"The headquarters of the Order of thr Phoenix may be found at no. 12
Grimauld Place"
As that address is no longer the HQ, I assume the secret is no longer
valid and the house is now as visible as, say, The Leaky Cauldren.
Or am I missing something?
BriD
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| Re: A Thought [message #300233 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 10:35 |
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On 14 Jul 2006 15:13:38 -0700, "BriD" <bethbriuk [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Brent Braten wrote:
>> I was just thinking and it occurred to me that since Harry owns #12
>> Grimauld Place and since the secret keeper has died, taking the secret with
>> him, if Harry should get married to anyone but Ginny or Hermione (my bet is
>> Ginny) he will have to buy a new house since, otherwise, she would not be
>> able to see the house.
>>
>> --
>> Brent
>
>Why not? The wording of Dumbledore's note was quite specific.
>"The headquarters of the Order of thr Phoenix may be found at no. 12
>Grimauld Place"
>As that address is no longer the HQ, I assume the secret is no longer
>valid and the house is now as visible as, say, The Leaky Cauldren.
>Or am I missing something?
>
>BriD
I think after Harry proved the rightful heir, he recast it.
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