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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!!
| The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281618] |
Fr, 09 Juni 2006 21:11 |
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It is quite obvious that the Diary Horcrux was a practise swing. It is
also quite obvious how Tom Riddle found out the Horcrux curse. And
finally, it is quite obvious how the Horcrux curse is activated.
Remember the Basilisk? The Basilisk "petrifies" a person or animal who
happens to look straight at it. By petrifying the person, their whole
being becomes totally immobile, no brain activity, but in some ways not
yet dead. This is something like a yogic/tantric trance claimed to be
achieved in some cultures where the yogi willingly leaves his body
behind while moving around as a soul. If the body is in this state for
a period of time, without the soul reuniting then death follows. There
is no way to revive an externally cursed (tranced or petrified) body.
So you must use a curse that performs the Basilisk stare on the person,
capture the soul before it leaves and then transfer it to an object as
a container for safekeeping. The person who performs these steps then
becomes the "owner" of the soul.
Riddle found a way to open the Chamber of Secrets. He went into the
chamber and investigated the "secrets" (so far we didnt see any secrets
there). Slytherin had left a part of himself in the school forever and
this part will teach his real followers the darkest of the dark arts.
Riddle began his learning from a REAL Dark Master. He discovers the
Horcrux curse and is totally excited by it as a way of going beyond
death. He is then obsessed with the idea of using it. He asks Slughorn
about the same. He befriends a girl whom he thinks is totally useless
(Myrtle) and performs the Basilisk curse, this time with the help of
the Basilisk. Then the Diary followed as a practise Horcrux.
Why was Tom anxious to return to Hogwarts? Quite obvious too. The
Chamber is still there to be opened and explored right? Remember it was
"closed" after the Myrtle incident.
Frodo Baggins
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| Re: The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281661 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 10:37 |
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In article <1149880283.761342.323420 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Frodo Baggins <doufrodo [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>Remember the Basilisk? The Basilisk "petrifies" a person or animal who
>happens to look straight at it. By petrifying the person, their whole
>being becomes totally immobile, no brain activity, but in some ways not
>yet dead. This is something like a yogic/tantric trance claimed to be
>achieved in some cultures where the yogi willingly leaves his body
>behind while moving around as a soul. If the body is in this state for
>a period of time, without the soul reuniting then death follows.
Interesting concept...
>There
>is no way to revive an externally cursed (tranced or petrified) body.
Uh, yes there is. Mandrake potion.
=Tamar
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| Re: The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281675 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 14:13 |
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"Frodo Baggins" <doufrodo [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1149880283.761342.323420 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> It is quite obvious that the Diary Horcrux was a practise swing.
ISTR Dd saying that - that he was practising. Charming.
> It is
> also quite obvious how Tom Riddle found out the Horcrux curse.
I'm assuming you mean from the late Salazar Slytherin, but if so, how? He's
long dead - did Riddle find some of his papers or what?
And
> finally, it is quite obvious how the Horcrux curse is activated.
> Remember the Basilisk? The Basilisk "petrifies" a person or animal who
> happens to look straight at it.
Don't think so - looking straight at it kills you, which is how Moaning
Myrtle died. Only looking at it indirectly (eg through a camera or at a
reflection) petrifies you.
By petrifying the person, their whole
> being becomes totally immobile, no brain activity, but in some ways not
> yet dead. This is something like a yogic/tantric trance claimed to be
> achieved in some cultures where the yogi willingly leaves his body
> behind while moving around as a soul. If the body is in this state for
> a period of time, without the soul reuniting then death follows. There
> is no way to revive an externally cursed (tranced or petrified) body.
Yes there is - mandrake "juice", as per Mme Pomfrey and Prof Sprout.
> So you must use a curse that performs the Basilisk stare on the person,
> capture the soul before it leaves and then transfer it to an object as
> a container for safekeeping. The person who performs these steps then
> becomes the "owner" of the soul.
No, it's the caster's soul that's split by causing the murder (not
necessarily doing it, I'm guessing, as the basilisk killed Myrtle but it was
Riddle who set it up?) and the objective of the horcrux spell is to transfer
one of the torn pieces into the container of the caster's choice - the
diary, the ring, or Harry (*ducks and runs*)
> Riddle found a way to open the Chamber of Secrets. He went into the
> chamber and investigated the "secrets" (so far we didnt see any secrets
> there). Slytherin had left a part of himself in the school forever and
> this part will teach his real followers the darkest of the dark arts.
> Riddle began his learning from a REAL Dark Master. He discovers the
> Horcrux curse and is totally excited by it as a way of going beyond
> death. He is then obsessed with the idea of using it.
Interesting idea - but where are the remnants of Slytherin that Riddle got
his ideas and knowledge from? Does that mean even if (ok, when) Harry gets
rid of Voldy, Salazan's remnants or knowledge is still there waiting for the
next Voldy who comes along...
He asks Slughorn
> about the same. He befriends a girl whom he thinks is totally useless
> (Myrtle) and performs the Basilisk curse, this time with the help of
> the Basilisk. Then the Diary followed as a practise Horcrux.
Nope, as above, he use the basilisk to kill Myrtle and make a horcrux out of
the process.
> Why was Tom anxious to return to Hogwarts? Quite obvious too. The
> Chamber is still there to be opened and explored right? Remember it was
> "closed" after the Myrtle incident.
Possibly...
DaveD
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| Re: The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281679 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 14:21 |
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Frodo Baggins wrote:
> It is quite obvious that the Diary Horcrux was a practise swing. It is
> also quite obvious how Tom Riddle found out the Horcrux curse. And
> finally, it is quite obvious how the Horcrux curse is activated.
> Remember the Basilisk? The Basilisk "petrifies" a person or animal who
> happens to look straight at it. By petrifying the person, their whole
> being becomes totally immobile, no brain activity, but in some ways not
> yet dead. This is something like a yogic/tantric trance claimed to be
> achieved in some cultures where the yogi willingly leaves his body
> behind while moving around as a soul. If the body is in this state for
> a period of time, without the soul reuniting then death follows. There
> is no way to revive an externally cursed (tranced or petrified) body.
> So you must use a curse that performs the Basilisk stare on the person,
> capture the soul before it leaves and then transfer it to an object as
> a container for safekeeping. The person who performs these steps then
> becomes the "owner" of the soul.
Doesn't make sense at all
THe Horcrux (THe container for the soul fragment) doesn't do the spell
to create a Horcrux - we have proof of that - since it is clear that
most horcruxes are inanimate objects (Ring, locket, diary - etc) that do
not have the ability to perform a spell. Slughorn makes it clear that
using living things as a Horcrux is not good - since living things have
free will - etc.
That being the case - your theory cannot hold air.
>
> Riddle found a way to open the Chamber of Secrets. He went into the
> chamber and investigated the "secrets" (so far we didnt see any secrets
> there). Slytherin had left a part of himself in the school forever and
> this part will teach his real followers the darkest of the dark arts.
> Riddle began his learning from a REAL Dark Master. He discovers the
> Horcrux curse and is totally excited by it as a way of going beyond
> death. He is then obsessed with the idea of using it. He asks Slughorn
> about the same. He befriends a girl whom he thinks is totally useless
> (Myrtle) and performs the Basilisk curse, this time with the help of
> the Basilisk. Then the Diary followed as a practise Horcrux.
WE also have proof of how RIddle found out about the curse IN THE BOOKS
- where he was told by Slughorn about it. WHile it is certainly possible
that he somehow was able to use Moaning Myrtle's death to create a
Horcrux - there is no indication that Slytherin left a piece of himself
in the chamber at all.
>
> Why was Tom anxious to return to Hogwarts? Quite obvious too. The
> Chamber is still there to be opened and explored right? Remember it was
> "closed" after the Myrtle incident.
Actually - it was Riddle himself who closed the chamber - also said in
the books.
>
> Frodo Baggins
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| Re: The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281693 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 17:24 |
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DaveD wrote:
> "Frodo Baggins" <doufrodo [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1149880283.761342.323420 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > It is quite obvious that the Diary Horcrux was a practise swing.
>
> ISTR Dd saying that - that he was practising. Charming.
>
> > It is
> > also quite obvious how Tom Riddle found out the Horcrux curse.
>
>
> I'm assuming you mean from the late Salazar Slytherin, but if so, how? He's
> long dead - did Riddle find some of his papers or what?
Salazar would have left the knowledge in a form only his heir could
understand or access, imho. Forbidden spell books are a possiblility,
if protected by a snake-lock such as protected the Chamber itself. He
might also have left a memory of himself -- something like portrait
magic -- to instruct his heir.
<snip>
> > Riddle found a way to open the Chamber of Secrets. He went into the
> > chamber and investigated the "secrets" (so far we didnt see any secrets
> > there). Slytherin had left a part of himself in the school forever and
> > this part will teach his real followers the darkest of the dark arts.
> > Riddle began his learning from a REAL Dark Master. He discovers the
> > Horcrux curse and is totally excited by it as a way of going beyond
> > death. He is then obsessed with the idea of using it.
>
>
> Interesting idea - but where are the remnants of Slytherin that Riddle got
> his ideas and knowledge from? Does that mean even if (ok, when) Harry gets
> rid of Voldy, Salazan's remnants or knowledge is still there waiting for the
> next Voldy who comes along...
Harry might be due for a return to the Chamber in Book 7. He's never
seriously explored it.
Is there any indication that DD et all explored the Chamber? Or has it
just been ignored since Book 2?
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| Re: The Horcrux curse - How it is done!!! [message #281696 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 17:28 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> Frodo Baggins wrote:
>
<snip>
> > Riddle found a way to open the Chamber of Secrets. He went into the
> > chamber and investigated the "secrets" (so far we didnt see any secrets
> > there). Slytherin had left a part of himself in the school forever and
> > this part will teach his real followers the darkest of the dark arts.
> > Riddle began his learning from a REAL Dark Master. He discovers the
> > Horcrux curse and is totally excited by it as a way of going beyond
> > death. He is then obsessed with the idea of using it. He asks Slughorn
> > about the same. He befriends a girl whom he thinks is totally useless
> > (Myrtle) and performs the Basilisk curse, this time with the help of
> > the Basilisk. Then the Diary followed as a practise Horcrux.
>
> WE also have proof of how RIddle found out about the curse IN THE BOOKS
> - where he was told by Slughorn about it.
He wasn't told HOW to perform the spell. Sluggie himself didn't even
KNOW how to do so, let alone instruct Tom as to how. So, how did he
learn? The Chamber is one possiblility. Far more likely than any
other I've heard.
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