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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Dumbledore's trust into Snape
| Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281412] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 15:37 |
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So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
Personally, I think that ability "to put stopper in death" also should
have some use, but I keep my thoughts and hopes to myself.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281427 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 22:16 |
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kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
> Dumbledore some potion.
And you get that from where, exactly?
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"I'm the impish officer of death."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281473 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 10:11 |
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On 6 Jun 2006 06:37:28 -0700, kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
>Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
>Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
>senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
>drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
>trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
>think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
No. He did nothing of the sort.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281479 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 12:35 |
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Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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> > So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
> > Dumbledore some potion.
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> And you get that from where, exactly?
As I said - from Snapes ability to brew potions which can "bewitch the
mind". Why, little addition to headmaster's tea, and he trusts Snape in
everything.
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> Catherine Johnson.
> --
> fenm at cox dot net
> "I'm the impish officer of death."
> -Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281480 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 12:36 |
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Toon wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2006 06:37:28 -0700, kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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> >So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
> >Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
> >Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
> >senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
> >drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
> >trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
> >think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
>
> No. He did nothing of the sort.
Why are you so sure?
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281481 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 15:01 |
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kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Toon wrote:
>
>>On 6 Jun 2006 06:37:28 -0700, kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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>>
>>>So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
>>>Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
>>>Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
>>>senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
>>>drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
>>>trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
>>>think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
>>
>>No. He did nothing of the sort.
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>
> Why are you so sure?
>
Because JKR has said that we now have ALL of the clues needed to solve
the story. TO me - that means that there will not be any new plot
advancement that will be needed for Harry to win. Anything will at least
be supported somehow in the previous books.
However - we still do not know IF DD really was blind about Snape or not
- there is sufficient evidence in the books to let it go either way.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281485 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 16:29 |
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kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
> Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
> Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
> senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
> drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
> trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
> think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
Somehow I don't think Snape kept DD mentally impaired for sixteen years
regardless of how accomplished a potions master he is! There are no
instances in the book to support that supposition.
> Personally, I think that ability "to put stopper in death" also should
> have some use, but I keep my thoughts and hopes to myself.
Now, the Draught of the Living Death is another story, considering the
conversation that took place between DD and Draco on the tower. That
scene could possibly give credence to the theory that perhaps, "in
certain instances" only, a purported death could be an illusion.
I agree with Thom that book seven will not introduce any new theories,
but will expound and reinforce situations and occurrences that have
already been mentioned in books one to six.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281537 ] |
Do, 08 Juni 2006 09:37 |
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On 7 Jun 2006 03:36:15 -0700, kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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>Toon wrote:
>> On 6 Jun 2006 06:37:28 -0700, kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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>> >So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
>> >Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
>> >Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
>> >senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
>> >drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
>> >trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
>> >think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
>>
>> No. He did nothing of the sort.
>
>Why are you so sure?
DD is too great a wizard to fall for that trick. He'd notice the
flavor's off. And a quick Legil would reveal all. if Snape was in
control, there'd be no Order Of The Phoenix. Harry wouldn't be at
Hogwarts. Snape would have been DADA teacher years ago.
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281666 ] |
Sa, 10 Juni 2006 11:34 |
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In article <97Ahg.3517$mF2.2443 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>
>> Why are you so sure?
>
>Because JKR has said that we now have ALL of the clues needed to solve
>the story.
OTOH JKR isn't known for how perfectly all the details work together.
That "logic puzzle" with the potions in book one is not solvable
without one more piece of evidence; Hermione has that part because
she can see the bottles, but she is missing a piece of evidence that
we are given. Logically she shouldn't be able to solve it either.
I have no expectation that the solution to the Riddle will be all
that ironclad either.
=Tamar
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281745 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 08:12 |
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we must all realize that Snape is playing his own game.
He has NO aligance to LV, and he had more to DD, just because it fit
into his plans better.
Snape might be evil, and perhaps he is, but Snapes Evil does not
mean an aligance with LV. Snape was far to perceptive, and powerful
to stay with LV for long.
In the order of the most powerful Wizards, there are
Snape, LV, yes Snape is more powerfull than LV, and I not sure
who is third.
Thge simple fact that LV does NOT know about Horcurx hunt and Snape does
should be telling.
If I were LV, I would be far more afraid of Snape than Harry.
Let me state again, that one thing should be obvious. Harry will NOT
have commit murder to kill LV. DD constantly said that there were Fates
worse than death, and LV is headed to one of those fates.
I guarentee that LV will die, leaving a mad Tom Riddle, hopeless
mutilated, mad, in St. mungos. And in the end, Tom Riddle will be an
object of pity.
IMHO.
Chip
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> kasis_100 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>So, if I understand this correctly, Snape was continuously giving
>>Dumbledore some potion. In his speech in first Potions class (Sorcerers
>>Stone), he claims to be able "to bewitch the mind and ensnare the
>>senses". It is very possible that Snape was keeping Dumbledore under
>>drugs so that headmaster did not see obvious evil that was Snape and
>>trusted him without question. Book 6 often refers to this speech, so I
>>think it is explanation of Dumbledores blindness regarding Snape.
>
>
> Somehow I don't think Snape kept DD mentally impaired for sixteen years
> regardless of how accomplished a potions master he is! There are no
> instances in the book to support that supposition.
>
>
>>Personally, I think that ability "to put stopper in death" also should
>>have some use, but I keep my thoughts and hopes to myself.
>
>
> Now, the Draught of the Living Death is another story, considering the
> conversation that took place between DD and Draco on the tower. That
> scene could possibly give credence to the theory that perhaps, "in
> certain instances" only, a purported death could be an illusion.
>
> I agree with Thom that book seven will not introduce any new theories,
> but will expound and reinforce situations and occurrences that have
> already been mentioned in books one to six.
>
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| Re: Dumbledore's trust into Snape [message #281831 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 06:59 |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:12:58 -0400, R Black
<racblack [at] NOSPAMinmtrex..XXXnet> wrote:
>we must all realize that Snape is playing his own game.
Sorry, don't see any evidence for it.
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