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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler)
Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279471] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:23
Todd  
I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
RotS.

As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya). I also didn't
care much for this underground mansion with the pretty droids. That
just seemed silly to me.

On a positive note, the climactic scene with Nelani was well done and
I'm looking forward to how that will play out. I'm just a bit
bothered by how easily Jacen was turned. He's supposed to be the
introspective one. We'll see what happens.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279472 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 20:57
Debbie Proctor  
"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:u11r82d7snsb0nmf8ertp9fblf8caf6tnp [at] 4ax.com...
>I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
> Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
> NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
> were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
> decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
> a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
> this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
> if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
> bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
> RotS.
>
> As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
> recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
> was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
> done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya). I also didn't
> care much for this underground mansion with the pretty droids. That
> just seemed silly to me.
>
> On a positive note, the climactic scene with Nelani was well done and
> I'm looking forward to how that will play out. I'm just a bit
> bothered by how easily Jacen was turned. He's supposed to be the
> introspective one. We'll see what happens.
>
> Todd

I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya? Did
Jacen join the darkside?

Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279473 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:55
SpammersDie  
"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:u11r82d7snsb0nmf8ertp9fblf8caf6tnp [at] 4ax.com...
>I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
> Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
> NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
> were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
> decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
> a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
> this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
> if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
> bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
> RotS.
>
> As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
> recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
> was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
> done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya).

Lumiya dates all the way back to the Marvel comics in the 80's. So that
dates her well before Grievous. I think at the time she was injured, that
was before we knew Vader had even one prosthetic limb, let alone four.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279475 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:50
KLange  
Deborah A Proctor wrote:
> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya? Did
> Jacen join the darkside?

If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War. Also, Lumiya was a
character from the early 1980s' Marvel Comics Star Wars issues. Lastly,
it does indeed look as if Jacen has joined the Dark Side. Want to bet
that before LotF is over, he'll wind up fighting Jaina, Leia, and maybe
also Tenel?
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279476 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:54
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
> Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
> NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
> were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
> decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
> a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
> this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
> if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
> bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
> RotS.

I think that he is going to the Dark Side at least in part to try to
prevent the galaxy from being torn apart by another civil war. In fact,
I think that his turning is intended to resemble Anakin's somewhat.
IMO, recurring history seems to be a fairly common theme in SW.

> As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
> recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
> was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
> done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya). I also didn't
> care much for this underground mansion with the pretty droids. That
> just seemed silly to me.

Well Lumiya is from the Marvel comics which date all the way back to
the early 1980s', so she greatly predates Grevious. Also, the mansion
could indicate how evil could conceal itself inside beauty. Kind of
like Lumiya, maybe.

> On a positive note, the climactic scene with Nelani was well done and
> I'm looking forward to how that will play out. I'm just a bit
> bothered by how easily Jacen was turned. He's supposed to be the
> introspective one. We'll see what happens.
>
> Todd

Well, he started a war to wipe out the Kiliks, so I'd say he was
already on the road to the Dark Side before this.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279477 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:57
KLange  
SpammersDie wrote:
> Lumiya dates all the way back to the Marvel comics in the 80's. So that
> dates her well before Grievous. I think at the time she was injured, that
> was before we knew Vader had even one prosthetic limb, let alone four.

She was originally a Imperial Intellegence agent sent to inflirtrate
the Rebellion to specifically try to discredit Luke. On a mission
involving captured TIE fighters, Luke's transponder was damaged (i.e.
he couldn't tell supposed friend from foe) so he relied on the Force to
determine who was the enemy, and he shot LUmiya (then knows as Shira
Bree) down. She survived, and was nursed back to life by Darth Vader.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279478 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:08
Debbie Proctor  
<KLange [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150149015.308554.284890 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya?
>> Did
>> Jacen join the darkside?
>
> If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
> Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War.

What EU book was that storyline from?

<snipped below>

Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279479 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:29
Todd  
On 12 Jun 2006 14:50:15 -0700, KLange [at] msn.com wrote:

>
>Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya? Did
>> Jacen join the darkside?
>
>If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
>Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War. Also, Lumiya was a
>character from the early 1980s' Marvel Comics Star Wars issues. Lastly,
>it does indeed look as if Jacen has joined the Dark Side. Want to bet
>that before LotF is over, he'll wind up fighting Jaina, Leia, and maybe
>also Tenel?


My guess is that he will lose the child and/or Tenel Ka or both. There
is a reference to making some huge sacrifice.

I also think he'll end up fighting Luke or an older Ben.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279480 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:30
Todd  
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:08:03 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
<maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

>
><KLange [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>news:1150149015.308554.284890 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya?
>>> Did
>>> Jacen join the darkside?
>>
>> If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
>> Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War.
>
>What EU book was that storyline from?
>
><snipped below>
>
>Debbie Proctor
>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
>


It occurs in the Swarm War trilogy we mentioned in an earlier post. I
can't remember which book the actual tryst and birth occurs in, but
I'm sure someone here knows.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279481 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:32
Todd  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:55:21 GMT, "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

>
>"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:u11r82d7snsb0nmf8ertp9fblf8caf6tnp [at] 4ax.com...
>>I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
>> Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
>> NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
>> were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
>> decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
>> a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
>> this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
>> if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
>> bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
>> RotS.
>>
>> As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
>> recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
>> was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
>> done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya).
>
>Lumiya dates all the way back to the Marvel comics in the 80's. So that
>dates her well before Grievous. I think at the time she was injured, that
>was before we knew Vader had even one prosthetic limb, let alone four.
>
>

Okay, I didn't realize she went that far back. I completely missed
that storyline as I haven't kept up on the graphic novels and comics.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279482 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:40
Todd  
On 12 Jun 2006 14:54:38 -0700, KLange [at] msn.com wrote:

>
>Todd wrote:
>> I just finished reading Betrayal last night, and I was underwhelmed.
>> Maybe I'm wrong about this since it's been a while since I read the
>> NJO, but I don't remember Jacen's philosophy of the Jedi ways (which
>> were formed by his experiences in NJO) leading him down this path. His
>> decisions in this book seemed out of character, especially when he is
>> a new father. It's possible that his child's birth started him down
>> this path as he would do anything to protect him/her (can't remember
>> if the baby was male or female), but the quickness of his decision
>> bothered me in the same way I was bothered about Anakin's turning in
>> RotS.
>
>I think that he is going to the Dark Side at least in part to try to
>prevent the galaxy from being torn apart by another civil war. In fact,
>I think that his turning is intended to resemble Anakin's somewhat.
>IMO, recurring history seems to be a fairly common theme in SW.
>
>> As for Lumiya, I guess I need to go back to the databanks. I don't
>> recall her from any EU novel, so my knowledge of her is lacking. I
>> was bothered by the fact that she has prosthetic limbs. That has been
>> done to death now (Vader, Grievous, and now Lumiya). I also didn't
>> care much for this underground mansion with the pretty droids. That
>> just seemed silly to me.
>
>Well Lumiya is from the Marvel comics which date all the way back to
>the early 1980s', so she greatly predates Grevious. Also, the mansion
>could indicate how evil could conceal itself inside beauty. Kind of
>like Lumiya, maybe.
>
>> On a positive note, the climactic scene with Nelani was well done and
>> I'm looking forward to how that will play out. I'm just a bit
>> bothered by how easily Jacen was turned. He's supposed to be the
>> introspective one. We'll see what happens.
>>
>> Todd
>
>Well, he started a war to wipe out the Kiliks, so I'd say he was
>already on the road to the Dark Side before this.


Perhaps. But I see the direct murder of a fellow Jedi very
differently than taking steps to start a war. While both are
repugnant, the latter is a more indirect approach to an end, and we've
seen all of the principal characters do this sort of thing from time
to time (going against regulations, military policy, etc.). Even in
this book, Leia commits what can be considered a treasonous act.
However, in Jacen's case, he takes an action based on an outcome that
may not even occur. Allston talks about this in the interview on
starwars.com.

I guess you're right about his taking steps toward the dark side prior
to this. I suppose I saw him as someone who went through so many
trials during the YV war that it made him a stronger Jedi. Instead,
it just appears to have unhinged him. He seemed more humble before,
but maybe I just missed the signs.

Todd

P.S. I don't believe for a second that Vergere was a Sith but it's
certainly wise of Lumiya to use that lever against Jacen. Obviously
her motives are false, based on her comment to the non-Jacen.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279485 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 06:03
Debbie Proctor  
"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2o1s82191p66672p3mqlagt5d8sc7timr2 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:08:03 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
> <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><KLange [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:1150149015.308554.284890 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>>>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya?
>>>> Did
>>>> Jacen join the darkside?
>>>
>>> If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
>>> Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War.
>>
>>What EU book was that storyline from?
>>
>><snipped below>
>>
>>Debbie Proctor
>>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> It occurs in the Swarm War trilogy we mentioned in an earlier post. I
> can't remember which book the actual tryst and birth occurs in, but
> I'm sure someone here knows.
>
> Todd

Was that pre or post NJO?

Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279488 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 06:07
David B  
Deborah A Proctor wrote:

> "Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:2o1s82191p66672p3mqlagt5d8sc7timr2 [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:08:03 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
> > <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >><KLange [at] msn.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1150149015.308554.284890 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
> >>>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother? Lumiya?
> >>>> Did
> >>>> Jacen join the darkside?
> >>>
> >>> If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
> >>> Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War.
> >>
> >>What EU book was that storyline from?
> >>
> >><snipped below>
> >>
> >>Debbie Proctor
> >>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
> >>
> >
> >
> > It occurs in the Swarm War trilogy we mentioned in an earlier post. I
> > can't remember which book the actual tryst and birth occurs in, but
> > I'm sure someone here knows.
> >
> > Todd
>
> Was that pre or post NJO?

Post NJO. It takes place between the NJO and Legacy.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279494 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 00:52
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> Perhaps. But I see the direct murder of a fellow Jedi very
> differently than taking steps to start a war. While both are
> repugnant, the latter is a more indirect approach to an end, and we've
> seen all of the principal characters do this sort of thing from time
> to time (going against regulations, military policy, etc.). Even in
> this book, Leia commits what can be considered a treasonous act.

True. In fact, killing a fellow Jedi would definitely set one down the
road to the Dark Side much quicker than starting a war. Starting a war
is basically abstract, but murdering Nelani was much more concrete and
personal. Jacen chose to kill a helpless person face-to-face in cold
blood.

> However, in Jacen's case, he takes an action based on an outcome that
> may not even occur. Allston talks about this in the interview on
> starwars.com.

Also, as Yoda basically said, the future isn't etched in stone, rather
it's changing all the time. How does Jacen know he saw ALL the possible
futures? Or that the "either Luke dies and Nelani lives or Nelani lives
and Luke dies" outcomes only apply if he chooses to go down the road of
the Dark Side. If he left that road, his visions would probably be
different.

> I guess you're right about his taking steps toward the dark side prior
> to this. I suppose I saw him as someone who went through so many
> trials during the YV war that it made him a stronger Jedi. Instead,
> it just appears to have unhinged him. He seemed more humble before,
> but maybe I just missed the signs.

Maybe it did BOTH.

> P.S. I don't believe for a second that Vergere was a Sith but it's
> certainly wise of Lumiya to use that lever against Jacen. Obviously
> her motives are false, based on her comment to the non-Jacen.

As Nelani said, a Dark Sider mixes truth with lies. Jacen himself is
planning on doing that to Ben and no doubt the others. I have a notion
about Vergere: She did indeed look outside the Jedi Order for
knowledge, and she did indeed find out about the Sith. She decided to
take a look at it, but she became disillusioned with the Sith way in
general and Sideous in particular. So she left and tried to eliminate
Palpatine.

I can't help but feel that Jacen is going to receive a big-time
punishment for all his sins.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279495 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 01:00
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> My guess is that he will lose the child and/or Tenel Ka or both. There
> is a reference to making some huge sacrifice.

True. And I don't particularly like the sound of that. I'd wager that
before LotF is done, the Danni Quee fans (of which, I am admittedly
one) who hoped that she and Jacen would get together will wind up being
glad that they didn't get their wish. Danni is perhaps the luckiest
character...she's safe on Zonama Sekot, and not a part of this
craziness. :-)
Maybe Tenel gets it, and Darth Jacen takes or at least tries to take
Allana to be a possible future apprentice. Perhaps Jacen kills Tenel
when she tries to prevent him from taking the child.

> I also think he'll end up fighting Luke or an older Ben.
>
> Todd

Maybe both, but I think that an older Ben would be the one who couuld
beat him. Maybe Jacen and Luke might wind up fighting to a stalemate.
However, I believe that the description for Tempest said that brother
will fight sister and mother will fight son, or something along those
lines. So maybe Darth Jacen will slug it out with his mom and sis, too.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279499 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 02:45
Todd  
On 13 Jun 2006 16:00:53 -0700, KLange [at] msn.com wrote:

>
>Todd wrote:
>> My guess is that he will lose the child and/or Tenel Ka or both. There
>> is a reference to making some huge sacrifice.
>
>True. And I don't particularly like the sound of that. I'd wager that
>before LotF is done, the Danni Quee fans (of which, I am admittedly
>one) who hoped that she and Jacen would get together will wind up being
>glad that they didn't get their wish. Danni is perhaps the luckiest
>character...she's safe on Zonama Sekot, and not a part of this
>craziness. :-)
>Maybe Tenel gets it, and Darth Jacen takes or at least tries to take
>Allana to be a possible future apprentice. Perhaps Jacen kills Tenel
>when she tries to prevent him from taking the child.
>
>> I also think he'll end up fighting Luke or an older Ben.
>>
>> Todd
>
>Maybe both, but I think that an older Ben would be the one who couuld
>beat him. Maybe Jacen and Luke might wind up fighting to a stalemate.
>However, I believe that the description for Tempest said that brother
>will fight sister and mother will fight son, or something along those
>lines. So maybe Darth Jacen will slug it out with his mom and sis, too.


I'm a little worried about how this will play out. Kyp Durron went
all dark side and everyone forgave him. I hated that whole Sun
Crusher period of the EU. I think if Jacen somehow comes back to the
light side the whole Sith thing is going to lose credibility. He's
going to have to die to give this conflict the moral weight it
deserves. But do the authors really mean to take both sons of Han and
Leia? It seems to me they are really putting these two through the
wringer.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279501 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 03:32
Debbie Proctor  
"David B" <bothecat3 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:448E3A02.602141A0 [at] hotmail.com...
> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>
>> "Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:2o1s82191p66672p3mqlagt5d8sc7timr2 [at] 4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:08:03 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
>> > <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >><KLange [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1150149015.308554.284890 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> Deborah A Proctor wrote:
>> >>>> I just started reading the book, who the heck is the mother?
>> >>>> Lumiya?
>> >>>> Did
>> >>>> Jacen join the darkside?
>> >>>
>> >>> If you're talking about Jacen being a father, he had a daughter,
>> >>> Allana, with Tenel Ka during the Swarm War.
>> >>
>> >>What EU book was that storyline from?
>> >>
>> >><snipped below>
>> >>
>> >>Debbie Proctor
>> >>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > It occurs in the Swarm War trilogy we mentioned in an earlier post. I
>> > can't remember which book the actual tryst and birth occurs in, but
>> > I'm sure someone here knows.
>> >
>> > Todd
>>
>> Was that pre or post NJO?
>
> Post NJO. It takes place between the NJO and Legacy.

I guess I need to get the dark nest trilogy.

Why did Tenel Ka and Jacen after having a child separate?

What about Danni Quee?

Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279505 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 06:48
Todd  
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:32:23 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
<maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>
>Why did Tenel Ka and Jacen after having a child separate?

Tenel Ka is the queen of her people and couldn't and wouldn't leave.
Jacen had his duties as a Jedi. So far he has kept the baby secret
from his family.

>What about Danni Quee?
>

Danni Quee went off to study the planet Zonama Sekot. She had no
interest in training to become a Jedi.

Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279519 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 06:07
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:32:23 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
> <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
> >Why did Tenel Ka and Jacen after having a child separate?
>
> Tenel Ka is the queen of her people and couldn't and wouldn't leave.
> Jacen had his duties as a Jedi. So far he has kept the baby secret
> from his family.
>
> >What about Danni Quee?
> >
>
> Danni Quee went off to study the planet Zonama Sekot. She had no
> interest in training to become a Jedi.

Well, she was a Jedi Knight by the time of the Swarm War (althought she
retired from the Order). IMO, if she had no interest, she wouldn't have
become one in the first place. My guess is that she put Science as her
first passion, and being Jedi as second, while all the other Jedi were
the other way around. Basically, Luke made all the Jedi choose between
being Jedi and whatever non-Jedi occupations they may have also had.
The latter was of greater priority to Danni, while Tenel put the former
first, but she had to rule her people.

> Todd
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279520 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 06:09
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:32:23 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
> <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
> >Why did Tenel Ka and Jacen after having a child separate?
>
> Tenel Ka is the queen of her people and couldn't and wouldn't leave.
> Jacen had his duties as a Jedi. So far he has kept the baby secret
> from his family.

I bet he can't keep that hidden forever. Sooner or later his parents
will find out, I suspect.
Re: Thoughts on Legacy of the Force: Betrayal (Spoiler) [message #279521 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 06:14
KLange  
Todd wrote:
> I'm a little worried about how this will play out. Kyp Durron went
> all dark side and everyone forgave him. I hated that whole Sun
> Crusher period of the EU. I think if Jacen somehow comes back to the
> light side the whole Sith thing is going to lose credibility. He's
> going to have to die to give this conflict the moral weight it
> deserves.

Maybe. Or maybe they might find some other way. Like maybe completely
taking away his Force powers, or putting him in a sort of coma. For all
we know, maybe Ben will wind up using his Force powers to turn Jacen
into a vegetable.

>But do the authors really mean to take both sons of Han and
> Leia? It seems to me they are really putting these two through the
> wringer.

Especially Han. First they kill off Chewy in VP, then Anakin in SbS,
now they're having Jacen go bad. Do they hate Han or something?
Vorheriges Thema:Could Jacen Solo and Darth Krayt be one and the same?
Nächstes Thema:Did Lucas guess?
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