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Was Anakin the first [message #279415] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 01:40
charlie12345  
Was Anaking the first and only jedi to be born of the force. Does any
book mention others. There was an imbalance in the force that brought
about anakin's birth. Assuming the oracle was right, wouldn't another
upset result in another immaculate conception.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #279451 ] So, 11 Juni 2006 02:46
Darth Mura  
charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Was Anaking the first and only jedi to be born of the force. Does any
> book mention others. There was an imbalance in the force that brought
> about anakin's birth. Assuming the oracle was right, wouldn't another
> upset result in another immaculate conception.

All Jedi, all living beings, are born _of_ the Force.

The imbalance you speak of was a result Anakin's "birth," the creation
of a Dark Lord (most likey Plagueis). Anakin was a laboratory
experiment, a Frankenstein monster. (All of this will probably be
covered in the recently announced Plagueis novel.)

There was no Oracle. You're thinking of The Matrix. There was a
prophecy, but where it came from and exactly what it consists of, no
one yet knows.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #279455 ] So, 11 Juni 2006 03:23
Todd  
On 10 Jun 2006 17:46:58 -0700, "Darth Mura" <shridurga [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>> Was Anaking the first and only jedi to be born of the force. Does any
>> book mention others. There was an imbalance in the force that brought
>> about anakin's birth. Assuming the oracle was right, wouldn't another
>> upset result in another immaculate conception.
>
>All Jedi, all living beings, are born _of_ the Force.
>
>The imbalance you speak of was a result Anakin's "birth," the creation
>of a Dark Lord (most likey Plagueis). Anakin was a laboratory
>experiment, a Frankenstein monster. (All of this will probably be
>covered in the recently announced Plagueis novel.)
>
>There was no Oracle. You're thinking of The Matrix. There was a
>prophecy, but where it came from and exactly what it consists of, no
>one yet knows.


I'm wondering if Anakin's immaculate conception will turn out to be
false. Though he had a high midichlorian count, it's possible Anakin
was conceived the old-fashioned way. Wouldn't surprise me if it
turned out that Shmi was seduced by a Sith using mind tricks. As Yoda
pointed out, prophecies can be misread.

Todd
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #279456 ] So, 11 Juni 2006 03:57
Darth Mura  
Todd wrote:

>
> I'm wondering if Anakin's immaculate conception will turn out to be
> false.

If he were immaculately conceived, he would have been born without
original sin.


> Though he had a high midichlorian count, it's possible Anakin
> was conceived the old-fashioned way. Wouldn't surprise me if it
> turned out that Shmi was seduced by a Sith using mind tricks. As Yoda
> pointed out, prophecies can be misread.
>
> Todd

Possible, I suppose. Perhaps that's why Shmi said there was no father.
If you'd done it with Muun, you might be emabrassed, too.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #279461 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 00:47
Todd  
On 10 Jun 2006 18:57:23 -0700, "Darth Mura" <shridurga [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Todd wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm wondering if Anakin's immaculate conception will turn out to be
>> false.
>
>If he were immaculately conceived, he would have been born without
>original sin.
>
>
>> Though he had a high midichlorian count, it's possible Anakin
>> was conceived the old-fashioned way. Wouldn't surprise me if it
>> turned out that Shmi was seduced by a Sith using mind tricks. As Yoda
>> pointed out, prophecies can be misread.
>>
>> Todd
>
>Possible, I suppose. Perhaps that's why Shmi said there was no father.
> If you'd done it with Muun, you might be emabrassed, too.


LMAO. Good point.

Todd
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #291001 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 21:25
Micky Durango  
>
>The imbalance you speak of was a result Anakin's "birth," the creation
>of a Dark Lord (most likey Plagueis). Anakin was a laboratory
>experiment, a Frankenstein monster. (All of this will probably be
>covered in the recently announced Plagueis novel.)
>


I don't think Anakin's birth will ever be elaborated on more than what
has been given to us in the films. From the official non-EU sources
(the films and their adaptations) there has never been anything, with
the exception of Palpatine's suspicious ROTS opera speech, that has
confirmed Anakin's birth to be anything but a 'miraculous'
midichlorian event. Lucas would have covered this otherwise in the
films, but since he didnt, I think it's going to be left as it is.

I'm assuming the Plagueis novel is going to deal more with his own
history and touch on Palpatine rather than anything to do with Anakin,
especially since Lucas forbids authors from touching a lot of
backstory (ie Yoda's background, race)

Though I could be wrong.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #291987 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 03:25
Darth Mura  
Micky Durango wrote:

> I don't think Anakin's birth will ever be elaborated on more than what
> has been given to us in the films. From the official non-EU sources
> (the films and their adaptations) there has never been anything, with
> the exception of Palpatine's suspicious ROTS opera speech, that has
> confirmed Anakin's birth to be anything but a 'miraculous'
> midichlorian event.

See Rick McCallum on the RotS commentary track.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #291992 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 03:47
Solon  
_charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com_ spoke thusly on 08/06/2006 7:40 PM:
> Was Anaking the first and only jedi to be born of the force.

Yes.
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Re: Was Anakin the first [message #291999 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 04:55
Benny Dreadful  
On 27 Jun 2006 18:25:54 -0700, "Darth Mura" <shridurga [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Benny Dreadful (aka Micky Durango wrote:)
>
>> I don't think Anakin's birth will ever be elaborated on more than what
>> has been given to us in the films. From the official non-EU sources
>> (the films and their adaptations) there has never been anything, with
>> the exception of Palpatine's suspicious ROTS opera speech, that has
>> confirmed Anakin's birth to be anything but a 'miraculous'
>> midichlorian event.
>
>See Rick McCallum on the RotS commentary track.

Will do, never actually heard it yet. Thanks for tip.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #292001 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 07:01
Benny Dreadful  
>> I don't think Anakin's birth will ever be elaborated on more than what
>> has been given to us in the films. From the official non-EU sources
>> (the films and their adaptations) there has never been anything, with
>> the exception of Palpatine's suspicious ROTS opera speech, that has
>> confirmed Anakin's birth to be anything but a 'miraculous'
>> midichlorian event.
>
>See Rick McCallum on the RotS commentary track.


Well I listened to the portion of commentary during the 'squid lake'
scene and just didn't find anything that convinced me that Anakin was
created by anyone, Dark Lord or otherwise. McCallum states that the
scene touches on Anakin's origin, but that's it, no concrete evidence
to point to a Dark Lord's intervention. I'll admit when I heard the
line for the first time I found it fascinating and hunted down all the
sources surrounding it, but every trail was cold. No where else does
it hint that Anakin was a lab expirement.

If anything, I think the line just confirms that midi-chlorians can
indeed produce life, and Palpatine probably sought a way to manipulate
this. But bottom line, dude was a liar - lied about saving Padme, lied
about the Jedi. He mentions one other being able to cheat death, but I
felt that was referring to Qui-Gonn, not Pelagieus.

But i could be wrong and could very well be disproved with the novel.
Either way I can't wait to find out! It's such a fertile ground for
discussion!
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #292268 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 10:26
Darth Mura  
Benny Dreadful wrote:

> Well I listened to the portion of commentary during the 'squid lake'
> scene and just didn't find anything that convinced me that Anakin was
> created by anyone, Dark Lord or otherwise. McCallum states that the
> scene touches on Anakin's origin, but that's it, no concrete evidence
> to point to a Dark Lord's intervention.

Yes, there is no one who says something like, "Anakin was created by a
Dark Lord," but for anyone who cares to read between the lines it
becomes fairly obvious.

If you're interested in EU sources, there are plenty more that provide
evidence Anakin was created by the Sith. See this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.starwars/browse_frm/t hread/86bebafc8cec0536




> If anything, I think the line just confirms that midi-chlorians can
> indeed produce life, and Palpatine probably sought a way to manipulate
> this.

I think you're right, that he was manipulating the midichlorians, but I
don't believe the midichlorians have the power to initiate life
themselves. This is also covered in the thread referenced above.
Re: Was Anakin the first [message #292327 ] Do, 29 Juni 2006 15:37
Benny Dreadful  
Thanks for the leads. Looks like you guys have discussed the thing as
far as it'll go, and there's not much for me to add. I too consider
the Darth Vader: Ultimate Guide as a source of consideration and it
lends ammo to your argument, but I'm still far from convinced. There's
still too many maybe's and possibly's that make the whole idea
speculation, and just not enough hints to make me feel Lucas would say
"yeah, that's where I was going with the whole thing." Still, it's an
intiguing idea and I'll definitely keep an open mind, especially
around time of the Pelegieus novel's release. Thanks for the info.


>
>Yes, there is no one who says something like, "Anakin was created by a
>Dark Lord," but for anyone who cares to read between the lines it
>becomes fairly obvious.
>
>If you're interested in EU sources, there are plenty more that provide
>evidence Anakin was created by the Sith. See this thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.starwars/browse_frm/t hread/86bebafc8cec0536
>
>
>
>
>> If anything, I think the line just confirms that midi-chlorians can
>> indeed produce life, and Palpatine probably sought a way to manipulate
>> this.
>
>I think you're right, that he was manipulating the midichlorians, but I
>don't believe the midichlorians have the power to initiate life
>themselves. This is also covered in the thread referenced above.
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