| Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274653] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 02:03 |
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Exclusive photo reveals all....
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/leonthepro_jreno/DCig arshot.jpg
Martin Campbell said in the very first CR press conference Bond
wouldn't be smoking but it looks as if the producers have changed their
mind.
:)
MMS
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274655 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 02:06 |
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It's possible they'll edit it out in the final cut. Guess we'll have to
wait and see.
MMS
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274662 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 12:47 |
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Moo Moo Sandwich wrote:
> Exclusive photo reveals all....
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> http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/leonthepro_jreno/DCig arshot.jpg
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> Martin Campbell said in the very first CR press conference Bond
> wouldn't be smoking but it looks as if the producers have changed their
> mind.
This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
"smoking cigars".
I don't smoke, but once or twice a year I'll have a cigar. (Except for
a month 2 years ago where I wasn't smoking a cigar-a-day).
I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
So I'll accept cigars as not-smoking, but I agree it's not the best
usage of the term.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274664 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 15:21 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
>"smoking cigars".
I'd say such people are fooling themselves.
>I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
>drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
>day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
Agreed -- and that would seem to negate the first idea, in fact. If
neither are teetotalers...then neither are non-smokers.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274667 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 16:11 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
> >This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
> >"smoking cigars".
> I'd say such people are fooling themselves.
Well, we'll have to disagree on that.
> >I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
> >drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
> >day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
> Agreed -- and that would seem to negate the first idea, in fact. If
> neither are teetotalers...then neither are non-smokers.
Which is why I'd said it isn't the best usage if used that way.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274668 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 17:38 |
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> > Exclusive photo reveals all....
> >
> > http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/leonthepro_jreno/DCig arshot.jpg
> >
> > Martin Campbell said in the very first CR press conference Bond
> > wouldn't be smoking but it looks as if the producers have changed their
> > mind.
>
> This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
> "smoking cigars".
>
> I don't smoke, but once or twice a year I'll have a cigar. (Except for
> a month 2 years ago where I wasn't smoking a cigar-a-day).
>
> I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
> drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
> day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
>
> So I'll accept cigars as not-smoking, but I agree it's not the best
> usage of the term.
I agree completely.
I only smoke cigars (maybe 1 a week) and I don't consider myself a 'smoker'.
Most of my friends who smoke cigars don't either. What we consider the
differentiator is the addiction factor. I don't have an addiction - If I'm
on a 12 hour plane flight I'm not crawling the wall for my 'fix.'
Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274670 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 18:16 |
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I am so with the other occasional cigar smokers here...
I buy a handful of my favorite cigars (Arturo Fuente Hemingway Signatures) 2
or 3 times a year and may pick up something else that smells interesting or
that I know I love when the money is there (occasional cigar smoking of
quality cigars is an expensive pleasure) as I enjoy a good cigar and a
scotch or brandy on the patio during nice summer evenings. I also have a
couple of pipes and will have an occasional bowl, but it is always about the
smell and the taste, something cigarettes do NOT have in their favor.
I so despise the smell of cigarettes that I sit in non-smoking sections in
restaurants. And as an example of how occasional my indulgences are, the
last cigar I had was when I was in Germany for two weeks back in the
beginning of March (a couple of Cubans I purchased at the duty-free shop on
my flight over and an AFHS & a Montecristo I brought with me) and the last
pipe I smoked was on my birthday way back in January.
So Bond having a cigar (as Roger's 007 liked to do) is not what I would call
a "smoking Bond" but I have to agree he isn't a "non-smoking Bond" either.
It would have been best for the powers that be to just not bring up the
subject altogether...
Draugnar
"Geoff Glave" <nospam [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1ujeg.35898$Qq.17678 [at] clgrps12...
>> > Exclusive photo reveals all....
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>> > http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/leonthepro_jreno/DCig arshot.jpg
>> >
>> > Martin Campbell said in the very first CR press conference Bond
>> > wouldn't be smoking but it looks as if the producers have changed their
>> > mind.
>>
>> This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
>> "smoking cigars".
>>
>> I don't smoke, but once or twice a year I'll have a cigar. (Except for
>> a month 2 years ago where I wasn't smoking a cigar-a-day).
>>
>> I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
>> drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
>> day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
>>
>> So I'll accept cigars as not-smoking, but I agree it's not the best
>> usage of the term.
>
> I agree completely.
>
> I only smoke cigars (maybe 1 a week) and I don't consider myself a
> 'smoker'.
> Most of my friends who smoke cigars don't either. What we consider the
> differentiator is the addiction factor. I don't have an addiction - If
> I'm
> on a 12 hour plane flight I'm not crawling the wall for my 'fix.'
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff Glave
> Vancouver
>
>
>
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274671 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 18:27 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>Rich Handley wrote:
>> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>> >This might sound insane but... some people seperate "smoking" from
>> >"smoking cigars".
>> I'd say such people are fooling themselves.
>Well, we'll have to disagree on that.
I have no problem with that.
>> >I guess it's like the difference between an alcoholic and someone who
>> >drinks socially. Both people are drinkers, but one doesn't do it every
>> >day and *need* to. Neither are teetotalers.
>> Agreed -- and that would seem to negate the first idea, in fact. If
>> neither are teetotalers...then neither are non-smokers.
>Which is why I'd said it isn't the best usage if used that way.
That is true. :)
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274673 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 19:21 |
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> Most of my friends who smoke cigars don't either. What we consider the
> differentiator is the addiction factor. I don't have an addiction - If
I'm
> on a 12 hour plane flight I'm not crawling the wall for my 'fix.'
Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274676 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 21:06 |
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>>Most of my friends who smoke cigars don't either. What we consider the
>>differentiator is the addiction factor. I don't have an addiction - If
>>I'm on a 12 hour plane flight I'm not crawling the wall for my 'fix.'
>
>Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
Definitely not - I'd turn green, cough, splutter and that would be it for
the cigar.
Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274679 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 02:14 |
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suave harv wrote:
> > Most of my friends who smoke cigars don't either. What we consider the
> > differentiator is the addiction factor. I don't have an addiction - If
> I'm
> > on a 12 hour plane flight I'm not crawling the wall for my 'fix.'
> Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
With a cigar? You kidding?
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274680 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 03:09 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>> Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
>With a cigar? You kidding?
Cigar smokers don't inhale? Hmmm...learn something new every day. I
didn't know that. How do you smoke it without inhaling? (I've never
smoked in my life, so I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of
thing.)
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274682 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 05:00 |
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"Rich Handley" <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
news:lcik72p3q99h2314c3rls09fbiqeds9ho0 [at] 4ax.com...
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>>> Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
>>With a cigar? You kidding?
>
> Cigar smokers don't inhale? Hmmm...learn something new every day. I
> didn't know that. How do you smoke it without inhaling? (I've never
> smoked in my life, so I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of
> thing.)
>
Cigar smoke is simply taken into the mouth and enjoyed. The joy of a good
cigar is it's flavor and aroma. It is not about inhaling to get nicotine
delivered into your system. Sure some nicotine is absorbed but as was said
before I have NEVER been climbing the walls for a cigar.
PadronMan©®
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274684 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 07:08 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
> >> Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
> >With a cigar? You kidding?
> Cigar smokers don't inhale?
No, no, no. Ya puff or you throw up.
> Hmmm...learn something new every day. I
> didn't know that. How do you smoke it without inhaling? (I've never
> smoked in my life, so I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of
> thing.)
It's like going to a wine tasting. You roll it around your mouth and
spit.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274687 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 15:02 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>Rich Handley wrote:
>> Cigar smokers don't inhale?
>No, no, no. Ya puff or you throw up.
Interesting. Does anyone inhale a cigar, or is that just considered a
stupid thing to do?
>It's like going to a wine tasting. You roll it around your mouth and
>spit.
A friend of mine recently went to a wine-tasting party and didn't spit
anything out. By the end of the night, he was beyond toasted.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274689 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 18:24 |
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In article <74sl72hpnt5q7j3k73i9rjt8oapv9lqnj4 [at] 4ax.com>,
Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
> >Rich Handley wrote:
> >> Cigar smokers don't inhale?
> >No, no, no. Ya puff or you throw up.
> Interesting. Does anyone inhale a cigar, or is that just considered a
> stupid thing to do?
Some do - mostly ex-cigarette-smokers, and mostly with very mild cigars.
However, as pointed out with the wine-tasting thing (that's the analogy
I use to explain it to people, too!), cigar smoking is about the taste
in your mouth, not nicotine delivery to your lungs (for more on that,
see Dr. Schniederman's report, linked in my .sig.) Cigars are all about
good-tasting tobacco! :)
> >It's like going to a wine tasting. You roll it around your mouth and
> >spit.
> A friend of mine recently went to a wine-tasting party and didn't spit
> anything out. By the end of the night, he was beyond toasted.
Well, yeah, there's that. But that's the general idea, anyway.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274690 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 01:41 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
> >Rich Handley wrote:
> >> Cigar smokers don't inhale?
> >No, no, no. Ya puff or you throw up.
> Interesting. Does anyone inhale a cigar, or is that just considered a
> stupid thing to do?
I think it's considered a stupid thing to do.
> >It's like going to a wine tasting. You roll it around your mouth and
> >spit.
> A friend of mine recently went to a wine-tasting party and didn't spit
> anything out. By the end of the night, he was beyond toasted.
I can imagine.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274695 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 06:21 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>> Interesting. Does anyone inhale a cigar, or is that just considered a
>> stupid thing to do?
>I think it's considered a stupid thing to do.
See, even as an avid non-smoker, I find this interesting. The idea that
you would inhale tobacco in one type of smoking product, but it would be
considered ridiculous with another...that's pretty wild.
>> A friend of mine recently went to a wine-tasting party and didn't spit
>> anything out. By the end of the night, he was beyond toasted.
>I can imagine.
He hosted a scotch-tasting party at his house once. Not being much of a
scotch drinker myself, I thought I'd go and learn about the different kinds
of scotch. It was actually very educational. The funniest thing was that
a friend of ours who is Muslim -- in other words, someone who isn't
supposed to drink -- was the one who tried the most varieties.
As for me, one thing is clear -- since the very idea of smoking revolts me
and since I hated every scotch I tried that night...I'd make a pretty lousy
cigar smoker.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274698 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 08:54 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> See, even as an avid non-smoker, I find this interesting. The idea that
> you would inhale tobacco in one type of smoking product, but it would be
> considered ridiculous with another...that's pretty wild.
Well, I don't think you'd consider inhaling chewing tobacco either.
I guess it's like sculling a Vodka and Orange cf sculling a glass of
Vodka... you can do both, but I wouldn't recommend one.
> He hosted a scotch-tasting party at his house once. Not being much of a
> scotch drinker myself, I thought I'd go and learn about the different kinds
> of scotch. It was actually very educational. The funniest thing was that
> a friend of ours who is Muslim -- in other words, someone who isn't
> supposed to drink -- was the one who tried the most varieties.
Cool.
> As for me, one thing is clear -- since the very idea of smoking revolts me
> and since I hated every scotch I tried that night...I'd make a pretty lousy
> cigar smoker.
Fair enough. How are you with Port?
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274700 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 12:48 |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 00:21:21 -0400, Rich Handley
<rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
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>As for me, one thing is clear -- since the very idea of smoking revolts me
>and since I hated every scotch I tried that night...I'd make a pretty lousy
>cigar smoker.
You'd also be great fun at a herf. :-)
CigarBaron
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274701 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 13:14 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>Well, I don't think you'd consider inhaling chewing tobacco either.
An excellent point.
>Fair enough. How are you with Port?
I don't believe I've ever tried it.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274702 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 14:09 |
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"Marc Schneiderman" <garbaron [at] telerama.com> wrote in message
news:om8o72lkogv28grromsikvu2r38mu6sgl6 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 00:21:21 -0400, Rich Handley
> <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"
>>As for me, one thing is clear -- since the very idea of smoking revolts me
>>and since I hated every scotch I tried that night...I'd make a pretty
>>lousy
>>cigar smoker.
>
>
> You'd also be great fun at a herf. :-)
"Herf" (Verb) - To smoke a cigar, in a group of cigar smokers or alone.
Learn something new here all the time. Thanks.
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that urbandictionary.com has more than once saved him from utter
cluelessness..."
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274704 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:06 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
>
>>>Do you inhale? That's the differentiator I reckon.
>>
>>With a cigar? You kidding?
>
>
> Cigar smokers don't inhale? Hmmm...learn something new every day. I
> didn't know that. How do you smoke it without inhaling? (I've never
> smoked in my life, so I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of
> thing.)
Cigar and pipe smokers don't inhale for two reasons. First, the smoke is
so intense it's just not something you ever want to do a second time.
Second and most important, we smoke for the flavors and there are no
taste buds in a the lungs.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274705 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 16:16 |
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In article <0qhn72ppi067k4sqtqah1ejevh37jauub7 [at] 4ax.com>,
Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> said:
> >> Interesting. Does anyone inhale a cigar, or is that just considered a
> >> stupid thing to do?
> >I think it's considered a stupid thing to do.
> See, even as an avid non-smoker, I find this interesting. The idea that
> you would inhale tobacco in one type of smoking product, but it would be
> considered ridiculous with another...that's pretty wild.
Cigarettes are about inhaling nicotine into the bloodstream as quickly
as possible. Pipes & cigars are about TASTING the tobacco, and enjoying
the pleasure that way. In addition, pipes & cigars are more
"contemplative" products, meant to be enjoyed & savored over time.
I really is a lot like the difference between drinking a pitcher of
cheap beer in order to get drunk (cigarettes) or savoring a glass of
fine wine (pipes, cigars) over time, because you like the taste.
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #274710 ] |
Mi, 31 Mai 2006 22:43 |
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so it is the difference between mouth cancer and lung cancer.
as for james bond, if they really want to go back to the real thing,
with his three ring morelands, the producers should remember that bond
smokes cigarettes, not cigars. and a lot of them.
i think it was roger moore who had the cigar habit first in the bond
films. i certainly hope we are not harking back to moore, although that
might give mike feeney some delight. ( one wonders if perhaps roger
got his famous eyebrow singed when he barbequed the snake in LALD.)
another similarity is that the last time the 007 logo was incorporated
into poster copy was with moore's name in LALD. hmmm.
perhaps they will call the next movie, "Names Are For Tombstones"...
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| Re: Craig's Bond would appear to be smoking in Casino Royale [message #276477 ] |
Fr, 02 Juni 2006 16:40 |
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> Cigar and pipe smokers don't inhale for two reasons. First, the smoke is
> so intense it's just not something you ever want to do a second time.
> Second and most important, we smoke for the flavors and there are no
> taste buds in a the lungs.
I used to smoke. When I had a few beers I could happily chain smoke
cigarettes, and I've tried cigars and inhaled them, though it wasn't a
particularly pleasant experience.
But for the record, if someone has a few cigars a year only, and doesn't
inhale, I'd consider it a stretch to class them as a 'smoker'.
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