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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » The Martinez Diaries
| The Martinez Diaries [message #274512] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 16:31 |
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You know, I was only thinking about Martinez the other day...
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http://www.michael-martinez.com/
Michael Martinez
Official Web site
"Every level of achievement should serve as the foundation for building
the next."
Recognized around the world as one of the leading authorities on the
works of J.R.R. Tolkien, Michael Martinez has shared his knowledge and
insights on Middle-earth with other fans in the online world for many
years. His books and essays have been translated into Polish, Spanish,
Italian, Hungarian, Greek, Hebrew, Portuguese, and Finnish. But though he
is best known for his research into Tolkien's chief literary creation,
this versatile author has garnered respect and acknowledgement in more
than one field.
Michael's professional career has been devoted to the family of Business
Basic programming languages which were developed for mini-computers in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, and then ported to UNIX and PC operating
systems in the 1980s. A former employee of Basis International, one of
the leading vendors of Business Basic, Michael has written numerous
technical papers and articles on programming techniques and
methodologies. He has worked as a consultant, IT manager, programmer, and
teacher for many companies.
His innovative work as a Webmaster and online community builder has
inspired many professional and amateur Webmasters through the years.
Xenite.Org, founded in 1997, has served as a proving ground for many
concepts which are now widely implemented across the World Wide Web. The
award-winning domain has claimed many "firsts" in non-commercial Web
design, promotion, and management.
Michael's advice and expertise in the field of search engine
optimization, Internet Marketing, and Web site promotion have been sought
after by Webmasters and business owners for several years.
He acknowledges that he owes a great debt of gratitude to many people who
have helped him through the years. "Whatever success I have enjoyed did
not come easily or simply through my own efforts," he says. "I have
learned much from other people, and from the challenges other people have
set me. In every field where I am regarded as knowledgeable or 'an
expert', I still remember poignantly my first introductions to those
topics. I was as naive and prone to error as the next person. But there
was always someone there, willing to show me the way and help me get to
the next level. I've tried to give back what I have received. And I have
never stopped trying to learn more about the subjects which interest me."
No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
for weary veterans of more contentious communities. SF-FANDOM, home to
dozens of Web forums devoted to topics related to science fiction,
fantasy, history, and mythology, boasts thousands of registered users
(registration is free but optional) and many more thousands of lurkers
and unregistered users.
Michael's offline interests include traveling, Latin dancing (Salsa,
Merengue, and Cha Cha), movies, music, white cheese dip, and dining out
with friends. He stays in close touch with his family and still keeps an
eye out for Miss Right....
Michael shares personal anecdotes and occasional technical comments on
his semi-official blog. The blog posts are intended for entertainment and
have gained a growing worldwide audience. Michael is also an occasional
contributor to the SEOMoz blog for search engine optimization
specialists. SEOMoz was featured in Newsweek Magazine and Slashdot.
Stay on top of Michael's upcoming events, or see where he has appeared in
the past in the Events and Appearances page.
We have provided a Question and Answer page with many of the questions
Michael's readers have asked through the years.
Read more about Michael's popular books, Visualizing Middle-earth, Parma
Endorion, and Understanding Middle-earth.
Browse various press releases announcing Michael's books, tours, and
more.
We have included a discussion of several of the more popular and
innovative Web sites Michael has established through the years.
And if you are curious about who uses Michael's Tolkien work in their own
research, or at least recommends it to other people, we have provided a
list of Michael Martinez Citations from sites around the Web.
Finally, if you are curious about where Michael's essays and eBooks may
be found, check out the very extensive Michael Martinez Articles and
Essays section. Many sites which have featured Michael's essays are no
longer active, or have been redesigned. Numerous requests for permission
to translate essays have been received with no word on where or when the
translations will be available.
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And guess what?
He blogs as well.
Oh you who think you have life hard...
http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274513 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 20:31 |
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Michael O'Neill wrote:
> You know, I was only thinking about Martinez the other day...
>
He's good at self-promotion, I'll give him that.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274515 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 21:22 |
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Michael O'Neill wrote:
> You know, I was only thinking about Martinez the other day...
>
>
> ==========================================
>
> http://www.michael-martinez.com/
>
> Michael Martinez
> Official Web site
> His books and essays have been translated into Polish, Spanish,
> Italian, Hungarian, Greek, Hebrew, Portuguese, and Finnish.
You're nothing until your essays have been translated into Elvish.
(Finnish is close, of course.)
> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
> =======================================
>
> And guess what?
>
> He blogs as well.
>
> Oh you who think you have life hard...
>
> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/
That's way more than I ever wanted to know about MM's digestive system.
-- FotW
Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274520 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 22:34 |
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Flame of the West <jerry [at] solinasNOSPAM.org> wrote:
> Michael O'Neill wrote:
<snip>
>> And guess what?
>>
>> He blogs as well.
>>
>> Oh you who think you have life hard...
>>
>> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/
>
> That's way more than I ever wanted to know about MM's digestive
> system.
I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
about almost anything.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274528 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 07:27 |
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Flame of the West wrote:
> Michael O'Neill wrote:
>
>> You know, I was only thinking about Martinez the other day...
>>
>>
>> ==========================================
>>
>> http://www.michael-martinez.com/
>>
>> Michael Martinez
>> Official Web site
>
>
>> His books and essays have been translated into Polish, Spanish,
>> Italian, Hungarian, Greek, Hebrew, Portuguese, and Finnish.
>
>
> You're nothing until your essays have been translated into Elvish.
> (Finnish is close, of course.)
>
>> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
>> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
>
>
> Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
Michael means censure and always has.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274534 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 17:57 |
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Larry Swain wrote:
>
> Flame of the West wrote:
> > Michael O'Neill wrote:
> >
> >> You know, I was only thinking about Martinez the other day...
> >>
> >>
> >> ==========================================
> >>
> >> http://www.michael-martinez.com/
> >>
> >> Michael Martinez
> >> Official Web site
> >
> >
> >> His books and essays have been translated into Polish, Spanish,
> >> Italian, Hungarian, Greek, Hebrew, Portuguese, and Finnish.
> >
> >
> > You're nothing until your essays have been translated into Elvish.
> > (Finnish is close, of course.)
> >
> >> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
> >> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
> >
> >
> > Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
>
> I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
> there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
> Michael means censure and always has.
Oh I don't know.
I suspect the weary veteran of contentious communities could be himself.
I never knew anyone who could post as much as he could in terms of both
quantity and quality, in any given twenty four hour period.
M.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274536 ] |
Mi, 31 Mai 2006 01:25 |
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Michael O'Neill wrote:
>>>> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
>>>> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
>>>
>>> Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
>> I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
>> there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
>> Michael means censure and always has.
>
> Oh I don't know.
>
> I suspect the weary veteran of contentious communities could be himself.
>
> I never knew anyone who could post as much as he could in terms of both
> quantity and quality, in any given twenty four hour period.
You don't seem to be disagreeing here. You both seem to be saying that
the weary veteran who needed a safe haven was MM himself.
I also agree with the rest of what you both wrote. He has an impressive
familiarity with Tolkien and a great capacity for writing, but he tends
to mix in some strange opinions and conclusions and to reject any
disagreement with them. He doesn't seem to realize that one can reach
more than one conclusion from the materials we have; he equates
disagreeing with him with contradicting Tolkien himself.
-- FotW
Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274539 ] |
Mi, 31 Mai 2006 12:05 |
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Flame of the West wrote:
>
> Michael O'Neill wrote:
>
> >>>> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
> >>>> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
> >>>
> >>> Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
> >> I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
> >> there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
> >> Michael means censure and always has.
> >
> > Oh I don't know.
> >
> > I suspect the weary veteran of contentious communities could be himself.
> >
> > I never knew anyone who could post as much as he could in terms of both
> > quantity and quality, in any given twenty four hour period.
>
> You don't seem to be disagreeing here. You both seem to be saying that
> the weary veteran who needed a safe haven was MM himself.
>
> I also agree with the rest of what you both wrote. He has an impressive
> familiarity with Tolkien and a great capacity for writing, but he tends
> to mix in some strange opinions and conclusions and to reject any
> disagreement with them. He doesn't seem to realize that one can reach
> more than one conclusion from the materials we have; he equates
> disagreeing with him with contradicting Tolkien himself.
This is very dusturbing.
Fart of the West and The Lord of Balrog Farts agreeing with each other?
<hangs head in despair>
We've become...
[wait for it]
BORING OLD FARTS!!!!!111!!!11!11!!!!1!!!
M.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #274547 ] |
Do, 01 Juni 2006 04:19 |
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Michael O'Neill wrote:
> This is very dusturbing.
>
> Fart of the West and The Lord of Balrog Farts agreeing with each
> other?
MM: the Great Uniter.
--
Bill
"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278291 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 19:27 |
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Bill O'Meally wrote:
> Michael O'Neill wrote:
>> This is very dusturbing.
>>
>> Fart of the West and The Lord of Balrog Farts agreeing with each
>> other?
>
> MM: the Great Uniter.
Isn't that meant to be Dubya?
--
Een Wilde Ier - proudly Hating America(tm) since November 2000
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278293 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 21:53 |
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Een Wilde Ier <maoltuile [at] utvinternet.ie> wrote:
> Bill O'Meally wrote:
>> Michael O'Neill wrote:
>>> This is very dusturbing.
>>>
>>> Fart of the West and The Lord of Balrog Farts agreeing with each
>>> other?
>>
>> MM: the Great Uniter.
>
> Isn't that meant to be Dubya?
Test (sorry).
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278298 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 06:51 |
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Larry Swain wrote:
>
> I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
> there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
> Michael means censure and always has.
That's a lie, Larry. You were banned for repeatedly violating
guidelines, a fact you always fail to disclose in your neverending
poison pen campaign.
People are always welcome to express their points of view and disagree
with whomever they wish on SF-FANDOM and our other forums just as long
as they play fair, be civil, and don't violate the guidelines.
--
Truth is always the first victim in the Tolkien flame groups. They
wouldn't have it any other way.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278299 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 07:13 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
> perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
> about almost anything.
"Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
venting".
In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to me
through the years.
--
Tax, tags, and title not included. Your mileage may vary. You may
cause irreparable harm to your pet if you tie it to a railroad track.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278300 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 12:29 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
>
>> I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
>> perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
>> about almost anything.
>
> "Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
> the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
> venting".
>
> In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
> groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
> compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
> with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to me
> through the years.
http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_michael-mart inez_archive.html
"Matt, to his credit, doesn't engage in reciprocal rudeness. Of course,
he hasn't been subjected to 8 years of lies, character assassination,
and cyberstalking. I hope for his sake he never has to endure that kind
of harassment and abuse.
Although the Michael Martinez Wars seem to have died down somewhat,
there are still a few people out there who have axes to grind. One in
particular, Larry Swain (known in some places as Forkbeard), who teaches
Old English literature, devoted two years to following me from forum to
forum, hoping to shave points off my reputation. As recently as a few
months ago he was still telling people at one popular Tolkien forum that
I don't carefully distinguish between my personal opinions and the facts
in my essays."
In fairness, you can sometimes go too far with 'house-of-cards'
speculation in your essays. Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
--
Proudly 'Hating America'(tm) since November 2000
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278302 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 15:19 |
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Een Wilde Ier wrote:
> Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
> upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
I've never done any such thing, but feel free to post a link to a
discussion where you think I have. As long as you and people like
Flame of the West continue to post such lies about me, there will
always be people gullible enough to believe them and repeat them.
For the record, I only joined this discussion because someone -- who
undoubtedly will not confess to their sin -- wanted my attention. They
now have it.
The rest of you (including Michael O'Neill) really don't need to be
concerned. I'll stay until your evil manipulator has satisfied
whatever dark urge led to this, or until I can no longer devote any
time to playing this insane game.
--
If people in the Tolkien flame groups really respected opposing
opinions, they wouldn't resort to character assassination every time
someone disagrees with them.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278304 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 16:17 |
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Een Wilde Ier wrote:
> Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>
>> Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
>>
>>> I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
>>> perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
>>> about almost anything.
>>
>>
>> "Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
>> the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
>> venting".
>>
>> In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
>> groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
>> compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
>> with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to me
>> through the years.
>
>
> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_michael-mart inez_archive.html
>
>
> "Matt, to his credit, doesn't engage in reciprocal rudeness. Of course,
> he hasn't been subjected to 8 years of lies, character assassination,
> and cyberstalking. I hope for his sake he never has to endure that kind
> of harassment and abuse.
>
> Although the Michael Martinez Wars seem to have died down somewhat,
> there are still a few people out there who have axes to grind. One in
> particular, Larry Swain (known in some places as Forkbeard), who teaches
> Old English literature, devoted two years to following me from forum to
> forum, hoping to shave points off my reputation. As recently as a few
> months ago he was still telling people at one popular Tolkien forum that
> I don't carefully distinguish between my personal opinions and the facts
> in my essays."
>
> In fairness, you can sometimes go too far with 'house-of-cards'
> speculation in your essays. Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
> upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
>
Awwww, I had no idea Michael had so maligned me in public. How funny!
And this a recent post! Poor Michael.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278305 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 16:21 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Larry Swain wrote:
>
>>I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
>>there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
>>Michael means censure and always has.
>
>
> That's a lie, Larry. You were banned for repeatedly violating
> guidelines, a fact you always fail to disclose in your neverending
> poison pen campaign.
No, Michael it has been the experience of many people on Xenite, on the
White Council, and on your list. I did follow the guidelines, you
banned me because a friend of mine didn't, and then you tried to get me
banned elsewhere for a polite and professional disagreement with you on
other issues--one where the moderators of that site pointed out to you
that I had abrogated no rules of the forum, at least none that you
yourself had not stepped over. But you never were one for telling the
truth.
> People are always welcome to express their points of view and disagree
> with whomever they wish on SF-FANDOM and our other forums just as long
> as they play fair, be civil, and don't violate the guidelines.
Yes, except you have a tendency to view disagreement with you as
violating the guidelines.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278306 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 16:55 |
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Larry Swain wrote:
> Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> > Larry Swain wrote:
> >
> >>I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
> >>there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
> >>Michael means censure and always has.
> >
> >
> > That's a lie, Larry. You were banned for repeatedly violating
> > guidelines, a fact you always fail to disclose in your neverending
> > poison pen campaign.
>
> No, Michael it has been the experience of many people on Xenite, on the
> White Council, and on your list.
No, Larry, it has not been the experience of many people on Xente, the
White Council and my list. It was your experience that when you
deliberately and maliciously disregarded our posting guidelines you
were banned.
And now you continue to lie and pretend that you didn't violate our
posting guidelines in your continuing character assassination campaign.
Your petty pretensions don't justify or in any way mitigate the flames,
falsehoods, and deceptions you regularly stoop too.
Just because there are people stupid enough to believe whatever drivel
you dish out here doesn't mean you have the right to attack and flame
me or anyone else in a private forum. If you want to participate in
moderated discussion environments, you are expected to abide by the
rules.
That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely incapable
of grasping. It also means don't violate the other guidelines, a
concept you proved equally incapable of grasping.
--
Sound advice: When a flame war erupts, STAY OUT OF IT, no matter how
badly you want to look stupid and involve yourself in it.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278307 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 17:16 |
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Michael wrote:
> That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely incapable
> of grasping.
USENET at its finest, folks!
[The "no personal attacks" advice in the same sentence as a personal
attack...]
You are both plonked.
--
Phlip
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278308 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 17:28 |
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Phlip wrote:
>
> USENET at its finest, folks!
>
> [The "no personal attacks" advice in the same sentence as a personal
> attack...]
>
> You are both plonked.
Here's hoping you don't pull a Stan Brown and hide behind your killfile
as you continue to followup to flame wars.
--
Why are you reading this .sig? You could be walking off your breakfast
instead.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278313 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:24 |
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In message <news:wVXgg.39191$4L1.2266 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
"Phlip" <phlipcpp [at] yahoo.com> enriched us with:
>
> Michael wrote:
>
>> That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely
>> incapable of grasping.
>
> USENET at its finest, folks!
Smile
a while
ere day
is done
and all
your gall
will soon
be gone.
- Piet Hein, /Advice at Nightfall/
> You are both plonked.
You shouldn't, really. Larry and Michael are both very knowledgeable
about Tolkien matters, despite the nature of their debates. Sometimes
the most interesting people cannot speak civilly to each other.
>> Sound advice: When a flame war erupts, STAY OUT OF IT, no matter
>> how badly you want to look stupid and involve yourself in it.
Shun advice
at any price -
that's what I call
good advice.
- Piet Hein, /Good Advice/
;-)
Though at this point I think Michael's advice really is quite good
(and well intentioned). Unless you like to be burned, then you should
stay away from the open fire.
--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
To make a name for learning
when other roads are barred,
take something very easy
and make it very hard.
- Piet Hein, /Wide Road/
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278315 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:48 |
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:16:44 GMT, "Phlip" <phlipcpp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Michael wrote:
>
>> That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely incapable
>> of grasping.
>
>USENET at its finest, folks!
>
>[The "no personal attacks" advice in the same sentence as a personal
>attack...]
>
>You are both plonked.
Michael Martinez only posts here when he is in the mood to attack
someone, so you can killfile him without any loss on your part, but
Larry Swain is a different matter. He is highly respected and valued
in these newsgroups and has made many thought-provoking posts, so you
may wish to reconsider your decision to killfile him.
If you dislike flamewars, Philip, you may wish to just lurk for the
next couple of weeks as the annual Michael Martinez Mockery Marathon
has officially commenced.
Morgoth's Curse
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Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:51 |
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On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:22:35 -0400, Flame of the West
<jerry [at] solinasNOSPAM.org> wrote:
>> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/
>
>That's way more than I ever wanted to know about MM's digestive system.
>
>
>-- FotW
It could have been worse: He could have discussed his bowels. ;--)
Morgoth's Curse
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278317 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:53 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org <Michael [at] xenite.org> wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
>
>> I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
>> perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
>> about almost anything.
>
> "Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
> the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
> venting".
I probably expressed myself badly. I meant that people writing
"diary-like" blogs, rather than opinion pieces, to name just two common
types of blogs, is a way for people to "talk to their diary", while also
communicating with others, and I see that as a way that people chose to
contextualise and respond to what happened to them. So by "letting off
steam", I meant just "responding in general", not any sort of ranting.
Don't take this the wrong way - I haven't looked closely enough at your
blog to see what type you write - I'm just talking in general terms
here.
> In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
> groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
> compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
> with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to
> me through the years.
And I thought Google engineers were a myth.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278318 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:55 |
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On 5 Jun 2006 06:19:57 -0700, Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>Een Wilde Ier wrote:
>> Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
>> upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
>
>I've never done any such thing, but feel free to post a link to a
>discussion where you think I have. As long as you and people like
>Flame of the West continue to post such lies about me, there will
>always be people gullible enough to believe them and repeat them.
>
>For the record, I only joined this discussion because someone -- who
>undoubtedly will not confess to their sin -- wanted my attention. They
>now have it.
>
>The rest of you (including Michael O'Neill) really don't need to be
>concerned. I'll stay until your evil manipulator has satisfied
>whatever dark urge led to this, or until I can no longer devote any
>time to playing this insane game.
Ah, the annual Michael Martinez Mockery Marathon has begun. So,
Michael, as you will recall, we discussed the issue of the Uruk-Hai
during the last marathon. Do you have any special requests for this
year's flamefest? The laws of inheritance among the Eldar perhaps?
The question of whether the Ring actually spoke on Mt. Doom? The true
ancestry of Gil-galad? ;-)
Morgoth's Curse
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278319 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:55 |
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
>
> Michael Martinez only posts here when he is in the mood to attack
> someone,
Unlike you, I'm never "in the mood" to attack anyone. The reason so
few people stay around these news groups is the flamers and trolls like
you keep driving decent folks away.
As I mentioned earlier, someone here wanted my attention.
That person has it.
--
Tolkien Flame Groups: Where no one wants to go any more.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278320 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:57 |
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:17:28 -0500, Larry Swain
<theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
>Een Wilde Ier wrote:
>> Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>>
>>> Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
>>>> perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
>>>> about almost anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
>>> the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
>>> venting".
>>>
>>> In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
>>> groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
>>> compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
>>> with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to me
>>> through the years.
>>
>>
>> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_michael-mart inez_archive.html
>>
>>
>> "Matt, to his credit, doesn't engage in reciprocal rudeness. Of course,
>> he hasn't been subjected to 8 years of lies, character assassination,
>> and cyberstalking. I hope for his sake he never has to endure that kind
>> of harassment and abuse.
>>
>> Although the Michael Martinez Wars seem to have died down somewhat,
>> there are still a few people out there who have axes to grind. One in
>> particular, Larry Swain (known in some places as Forkbeard), who teaches
>> Old English literature, devoted two years to following me from forum to
>> forum, hoping to shave points off my reputation. As recently as a few
>> months ago he was still telling people at one popular Tolkien forum that
>> I don't carefully distinguish between my personal opinions and the facts
>> in my essays."
>>
>> In fairness, you can sometimes go too far with 'house-of-cards'
>> speculation in your essays. Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
>> upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
>>
>
>Awwww, I had no idea Michael had so maligned me in public. How funny!
>And this a recent post! Poor Michael.
Just out of curiosity, Larry, have you and Conrad Dunkerson ever
debated which of you is more hated by Martinez? ;-)
Morgoth's Curse
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278321 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:58 |
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
>
> Ah, the annual Michael Martinez Mockery Marathon has begun.
That's SEMI-annual, you illiterate troll. And, as happens so
frequently, I only came by request.
You people are such hypocrites.
--
If the Tolkien Flame Groups were really devoted to Tolkien fans, why do
they spend so much time gratuitously attacking other people?
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278322 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:04 |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:25:51 -0400, Flame of the West
<jerry [at] solinasNOSPAM.org> wrote:
>Michael O'Neill wrote:
>
>>>>> No stranger to controversy, Michael has striven to create a safe haven
>>>>> for weary veterans of more contentious communities.
>>>>
>>>> Now I wonder what "contentious communities" he's talking about here?
>>> I think he means he strives to create a safe haven for himself, since
>>> there can be no controversy on his site: any major disagreement with
>>> Michael means censure and always has.
>>
>> Oh I don't know.
>>
>> I suspect the weary veteran of contentious communities could be himself.
>>
>> I never knew anyone who could post as much as he could in terms of both
>> quantity and quality, in any given twenty four hour period.
>
>You don't seem to be disagreeing here. You both seem to be saying that
>the weary veteran who needed a safe haven was MM himself.
>
>I also agree with the rest of what you both wrote. He has an impressive
>familiarity with Tolkien and a great capacity for writing, but he tends
>to mix in some strange opinions and conclusions and to reject any
>disagreement with them. He doesn't seem to realize that one can reach
>more than one conclusion from the materials we have; he equates
>disagreeing with him with contradicting Tolkien himself.
Tho it is obvious that the more grievous sin is to disagree with MM.
:-P
I concur that MM certainly has some interesting things to say. I have
often wished that he was not such a jackass and could participate in
this forum more often. I really wish he had been able to participate
in our COTW discussions, for example. Our discussions of the
Silmarillion would certainly be much more active. :(
Morgoth's Curse
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278323 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:18 |
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Can we stop this? Now, before it has begun? All you childish and
mature people both? Thanks.
T.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278325 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:54 |
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:17:28 -0500, Larry Swain
> <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Een Wilde Ier wrote:
>>
>>>Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I stumbled across that blog as well the other day. Something about
>>>>>perfume and stuff. But hey, blogging is a good way to let off steam
>>>>>about almost anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Let off steam"? The blog is for entertainment purposes. Except for
>>>>the rare and occasional political rant, it doesn't include any "steam
>>>>venting".
>>>>
>>>>In fact, the only reference to the so-called people here in the news
>>>>groups is in the post "Lies, Damned Lies, and Matt Cutts", which
>>>>compares what another online community started to do a Google engineer
>>>>with what a few diehard flamers here in the news groups have done to me
>>>>through the years.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://michael-martinez.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_michael-mart inez_archive.html
>>>
>>>
>>>"Matt, to his credit, doesn't engage in reciprocal rudeness. Of course,
>>>he hasn't been subjected to 8 years of lies, character assassination,
>>>and cyberstalking. I hope for his sake he never has to endure that kind
>>>of harassment and abuse.
>>>
>>>Although the Michael Martinez Wars seem to have died down somewhat,
>>>there are still a few people out there who have axes to grind. One in
>>>particular, Larry Swain (known in some places as Forkbeard), who teaches
>>>Old English literature, devoted two years to following me from forum to
>>>forum, hoping to shave points off my reputation. As recently as a few
>>>months ago he was still telling people at one popular Tolkien forum that
>>>I don't carefully distinguish between my personal opinions and the facts
>>>in my essays."
>>>
>>>In fairness, you can sometimes go too far with 'house-of-cards'
>>>speculation in your essays. Fun, but I don't see why you then get so
>>>upset when someone critiques some of your wilder theorising.
>>>
>>
>>Awwww, I had no idea Michael had so maligned me in public. How funny!
>>And this a recent post! Poor Michael.
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, Larry, have you and Conrad Dunkerson ever
> debated which of you is more hated by Martinez? ;-)
>
> Morgoth's Curse
HMMM, what do you say Conrad? It's a toss up on first thought, since I
do make such an outstanding appearance in Michael's blog but I don't see
Conrad there. ON the other hand, after a quick google search of Conrad,
Michael did see fit to respond personally to Conrad's review of his book
on Amazon (actually my theory is that all positive reviews of Michael's
books on Amazon and B&N are by Michael--they sound so much like his
self-promoting web page, but that's another subject.) So is a blog
mention more a sign of his loathing than the effort to respond to a book
review? HMMM....
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278326 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:56 |
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>And, as happens so> frequently, I only came by request.
So which of us didn't have the courage to say anything on list about
inviting Michael? And does this mean if he's invited to leave he will?
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278327 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 23:00 |
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:16:44 GMT, "Phlip" <phlipcpp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely incapable
>>>of grasping.
>>
>>USENET at its finest, folks!
>>
>>[The "no personal attacks" advice in the same sentence as a personal
>>attack...]
>>
>>You are both plonked.
>
>
> Michael Martinez only posts here when he is in the mood to attack
> someone, so you can killfile him without any loss on your part, but
> Larry Swain is a different matter. He is highly respected and valued
> in these newsgroups and has made many thought-provoking posts, so you
> may wish to reconsider your decision to killfile him.
Thanks MC! I have to say though that I've done more than my share of
flaming, especially when I first returned to the group after a 7 year
hiatus, that I deeply regret now--so much so that some people will not
converse me. So I can not claim the high road.....
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278329 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 01:44 |
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In alt.fan.tolkien Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
snip
> HMMM, what do you say Conrad? It's a toss up on first thought, since I
> do make such an outstanding appearance in Michael's blog but I don't see
> Conrad there. ON the other hand, after a quick google search of Conrad,
> Michael did see fit to respond personally to Conrad's review of his book
> on Amazon (actually my theory is that all positive reviews of Michael's
> books on Amazon and B&N are by Michael--they sound so much like his
> self-promoting web page, but that's another subject.) So is a blog
> mention more a sign of his loathing than the effort to respond to a book
> review? HMMM....
It's Conrad all right. I think this is becoming rather ridiculous: the
field of battle has changed from Usenet to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Martinez
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #278330 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 02:11 |
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Tamim wrote:
> In alt.fan.tolkien Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
> snip
>
>> HMMM, what do you say Conrad? It's a toss up on first thought, since I
>> do make such an outstanding appearance in Michael's blog but I don't see
>> Conrad there. ON the other hand, after a quick google search of Conrad,
>> Michael did see fit to respond personally to Conrad's review of his book
>> on Amazon (actually my theory is that all positive reviews of Michael's
>> books on Amazon and B&N are by Michael--they sound so much like his
>> self-promoting web page, but that's another subject.) So is a blog
>> mention more a sign of his loathing than the effort to respond to a book
>> review? HMMM....
>
> It's Conrad all right. I think this is becoming rather ridiculous: the
> field of battle has changed from Usenet to Wikipedia.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Martinez
>
Man - that's funny.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #282506 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 05:40 |
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Taemon wrote:
> Can we stop this? Now, before it has begun? All you childish and
> mature people both? Thanks.
>
> T.
For the time being, given that what brought me here in the first place
has died down, I'm going to assume that whichever Dark Troll among you
wanted this to happen has either reaped the rewards of his abuse or is
satisfied to have stirred things up in the Tolkien groups again.
So, with that said, I won't respond to the further flames. If any of
you actually know who it is, and encouraged this in any way, don't
complain. I'll assume most of you have no idea of what actually
happened and couldn't care less.
I may check in a couple more times this week.
--
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Tolkien Flame Group
drivel, abuse, and harrassment. No Tolkien Flamers were known to be
harmed during this intermediation. Some pathetic excuses were assumed
on their parts. Not responsible for the silly, childish behavior which
permeates the Tolkien Flame Groups.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #282507 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 06:06 |
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Tamim wrote:
> In alt.fan.tolkien Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
> snip
>
>
>>HMMM, what do you say Conrad? It's a toss up on first thought, since I
>>do make such an outstanding appearance in Michael's blog but I don't see
>>Conrad there. ON the other hand, after a quick google search of Conrad,
>>Michael did see fit to respond personally to Conrad's review of his book
>>on Amazon (actually my theory is that all positive reviews of Michael's
>>books on Amazon and B&N are by Michael--they sound so much like his
>>self-promoting web page, but that's another subject.) So is a blog
>>mention more a sign of his loathing than the effort to respond to a book
>>review? HMMM....
>
>
> It's Conrad all right. I think this is becoming rather ridiculous: the
> field of battle has changed from Usenet to Wikipedia.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Martinez
>
Wow well, you're right, no doubt about it, Conrad wins! Guess I'll have
to start working much harder now to see if I can top him.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #282508 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 06:52 |
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Taemon <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> wrote:
> Can we stop this? Now, before it has begun? All you childish and
> mature people both? Thanks.
Yes. It does get rather boring.
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #282509 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 07:01 |
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Tamim <hallaril [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> In alt.fan.tolkien Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
> snip
>
>> HMMM, what do you say Conrad? It's a toss up on first thought,
>> since I do make such an outstanding appearance in Michael's blog but
>> I don't see Conrad there. ON the other hand, after a quick google
>> search of Conrad, Michael did see fit to respond personally to
>> Conrad's review of his book on Amazon (actually my theory is that
>> all positive reviews of Michael's books on Amazon and B&N are by
>> Michael--they sound so much like his self-promoting web page, but
>> that's another subject.) So is a blog mention more a sign of his
>> loathing than the effort to respond to a book review? HMMM....
>
> It's Conrad all right. I think this is becoming rather ridiculous: the
> field of battle has changed from Usenet to Wikipedia.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Martinez
From what I can tell, that didn't last long.
All of 17 hours in fact.
(There's a "user contributions" link on the left)
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| Re: The Martinez Diaries [message #282534 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 21:10 |
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:16:44 GMT, "Phlip" <phlipcpp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>>> That means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, a concept you are completely incapable
>>> of grasping.
>> USENET at its finest, folks!
>>
>> [The "no personal attacks" advice in the same sentence as a personal
>> attack...]
>>
>> You are both plonked.
>
> Michael Martinez only posts here when he is in the mood to attack
> someone, so you can killfile him without any loss on your part, but
> Larry Swain is a different matter. He is highly respected and valued
> in these newsgroups and has made many thought-provoking posts, so you
> may wish to reconsider your decision to killfile him.
>
> If you dislike flamewars, Philip, you may wish to just lurk for the
> next couple of weeks as the annual Michael Martinez Mockery Marathon
> has officially commenced.
Cool. Do we get a t-shirt?
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