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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Predictions about book 7
| Predictions about book 7 [message #270144] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 19:00 |
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I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
movie.
2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
One".
3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
not.
4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
that spot will fall to Draco.
8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
this foul deed by a member of his own family.
9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
near the end of the book.
10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
price he paid was too high.
11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
and eventually Headmaster.
13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
child "Harry".
Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270145 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 19:35 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
I doubt it, but I'm confident that it will be published in 2007.
>
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
No, she won't. And that title is too cliche, even for Rowling.
>
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
Ron and Hermione won't get married until AFTER the action in book 7.
If they do, it'll be in the epilogue.
>
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
>
I'm sure it's Regulus. Doubt the middle name though.
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
Oh please. Snape was not EVER in love with, nor did he like, Lily.
Did you read the chapter in OotP where Harry sees them in the Pensieve?
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
Nope. But the unbreakable vow theory is interesting.
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
>
Draco will never be redeemed. His only shot at redemption was with
Dumbledore. Now that Dumbledore is gone, Draco will not redeem
himself.
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
If he does, it won't be intentional on his part.
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
No. Won't happen.
>
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
The books are called Harry Potter and the... for a reason. There will
be no debate.
>
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
>
No. It'll be called "Epilogue"
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
>
No...too obvious. It'll be someone like Seamus or Dean. Or, just to
screw with us, one of the twins!
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
They will survive...but if one of them dies it will be Ron. Harry
would be an odd name if their first child happens to be a girl. Nope.
No children named Harry.
>
> Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270146 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 19:36 |
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Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270147 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 19:37 |
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Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270148 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 21:07 |
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tbarry22 [at] yahoo.com writes:
>eggplant wrote:
>> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called
>> "The Next Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
>No. It'll be called "Epilogue"
Then what will the epilogue be called? "After the End"? ;)
(I wonder if i ever finished that fanfic...)
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May no harm befall you,
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Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270151 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 21:57 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
Nonsense. It won't come out until October 27, 2009, and it will be
1247 pages long.
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
No. It will be called "Hermione Granger at the Premature Funeral"
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
No weddings. Hermione will be forced to kill Ron, which will be a bit
difficult for her.
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
Regulus Arcturus Black.
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
Snape hates Harry because he reminds Snape of James.
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
Dumbledore trusted Snape because he is wise, and knows who to trust.
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
GASP! So, you mean there's no hope for Harry and Ron?
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
No. Fred, George & Ginny will betray Harry to Death Eaters, and meet
justice for this foul deed at the hand of Percy, Aberforth and a flock
of giant pidgeons.
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
No. Because Patronuses don't change form. That was misinformation
designed to cover up a deception.
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
Yes. The epilogue will have Harry rule as new dark lord for the next
75 years, when he will finally meet his doom shortly after Viktor Krum
and Hermione Granger take out his last Horcrux.
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
I prefer, "The Boy Who Died." :)
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
Plausible
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
No. Hermione will call her first child "Severus" in honor of the brave
man who defeated Voldemort.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270152 ] |
Fr, 26 Mai 2006 23:12 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
I think not. I suspect that the sixth movie will be out before the
seventh book is released. The movie will be shot and produced on a war
footing if need be to make that deadline.
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
I don't think so. I also suspect we won't know what the title means
until after we have finished reading the book.
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
Won't happen. What *will* happen is that Harry will get a chance to
compare both Gin-Gin and Gab-Gab (Gabriella) in their golden
bridesmaid's dress. Harry's eyes will pop out and he will be sooooo
glad that he broke up with Ginny last year.
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
Nice.
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
Quite plausible.
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
Believable again.
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
I suspect so too.
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
No that will be Ron, pissed off that Harry dumped Ginny.
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
I don't think so.
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
>
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
>
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
Professor? Yes. Headmaster? I doubt.
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
No. For some reason inscrutable to Ron, Hermione will insist on calling
their braggart, duck-footed first born Viktor McLaggen Weasley. Severus
Snape, the child's godfather makes no comment from Azkaban.
> Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270159 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 05:23 |
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"eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148662847.770053.26240 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
>
They won't be released on the same day because neither the publishers or the
movie producers will be willing to compete with one another. Expect there
to be a few weeks or months between the release dates.
>
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
>
We don't have a clue what the title will be, but I doubt it will be "Harry
Potter The Chosen One."
>
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
>
Umm, no, I don't think so. Despite the fact that we kind of know how they
feel about each other, they haven't even spoken about them to one another
yet.
>
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
>
I thought it was Arcturus (sp?)?
>
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
>
I have thought about this. Yes, Snape did call her a Mudblood in the "OotP"
but that could simply be because he was embarassed about what James had done
to him, and he simply lashed out at her. But Snape hates Harry because he
is reminded of James, a man he hated (or at least strongly disliked). If
Snape did love Lily, I would think he would blame himself for Lily's death.
After all, he was the one that told Voldemort about the prophecy.
>
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
>
It would be interesting.
>
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
>
Meh! I dunno could be, but Draco is too much of wimp and too afraid to go
against Voldemort. He wants to be accepted by his father as a Death Eater.
Draco will end up in Azkaban.
>
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
>
I think Percy will be the Weasley child that buys it in the end, or not. I
dunno, but I really think it is something interesting to discuss in another
thread. If he does betray anyone, it will be because he is under other
influence (the Imperious Curse).
>
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
>
Why?
>
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
>
What price do you think he'll pay? Will he die, be horribly disfigured, or
permanently insane? Be specific.
>
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
>
Ummm. Okay. Sure. Not following you, but if you say so.
>
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
>
Hmmm. Herbology yes. Headmaster, doubtful, at least not for a very long
term. Hermione, possibly (but more likely as Minister).
>
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
>
Why not? As long as it's a boy of course. If it's a girl, what about Lily?
--
Kilroy was here.
"Always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to
yours." - Yogi Berra
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270160 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 06:42 |
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"silly ha ha" <chubby_cheeks_1992 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148665069.856992.36180 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
Of course to the British that is equivalent to a big publishing event on 11
September to people in the US.
BC
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270161 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 06:46 |
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"Marco [at] polo.com" <motormaroon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148677964.880145.116130 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
<snip> What *will* happen is that Harry will get a chance to
> compare both Gin-Gin and Gab-Gab (Gabriella) in their golden
> bridesmaid's dress. Harry's eyes will pop out and he will be sooooo
> glad that he broke up with Ginny last year.
>
Given that Ginny is 16 and Gabrielle is about 11, I doubt it. But expect
interaction on this front. Fleur says Gabrielle has a crush on Harry, just
like Ginny at the same age. There is no reason to have Gabrielle in the
story unless she has some influence on events in Book 7.
BC
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270166 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 13:16 |
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"BC" <nobody [at] home.com.au> wrote in message
news:aNQdg.11368$S7.729 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "silly ha ha" <chubby_cheeks_1992 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148665069.856992.36180 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
>
> Of course to the British that is equivalent to a big publishing event on
> 11 September to people in the US.
>
> BC
>
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| 7/7: was Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270168 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 13:24 |
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"BC" <nobody [at] home.com.au> wrote in message
news:aNQdg.11368$S7.729 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
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> "silly ha ha" <chubby_cheeks_1992 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148665069.856992.36180 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
>
> Of course to the British that is equivalent to a big publishing event on
> 11 September to people in the US.
>
> BC
>
>
7/7 in the UK doesn't seem to have picked up the same gravitas as 9/11 did
in the States, and with the prevelant 'don't let the b******s grind you
down' mentality*, in London especially, I believe a Harry Potter novel
released on 7/7 would be very welcome.
Don't think it'll happen, mind!
*My two favourite quotes emanating out of 7/7 were:
(a) (from the front coach at King's Cross, as the survivors waited
quitely for rescue) "Well, at least we got the Olympics!"; and
(b) (from a web log) "So they try to cause chaos in London by
******* up the Underground, and making it hell for commuters for weeks or
months to come. What are the going to do next? Make
it rain on a Bank Holiday????"
TRN
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270172 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 17:04 |
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270190 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 01:25 |
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I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
movie.
**I'm not sure about that, but she might try to make the date symbolic.
July 31st would be good.
2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
One".
**No, I think she'll stick with the "Harry Potter and the...." theme.
3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
not.
**They might make a decision before the epilogue, but I doubt they'd
get married so quickly.
4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
**It is Regulus Black, but I think the middle name is probably Alphard,
named after their uncle....
5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
**I'm not sure if it was love, but I think they used to be friends.
When Snape was so rude to her in OotP, I think he was trying to be
macho or something, but he ended up just acting stupid. Lily was
shocked by what he said, like she didn't think he would ever call her
"Mudblood". Their friendship unravelled either at that moment or soon
after....
6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
**I won't rule out the Unbreakable Vow theory. JKR often does things in
threes. Snape vowed to Narcissa, the twins tried to get Ron to take an
U.Vow when he was a little kid, and now we might see a third mention of
the U.Vow. I do think Dumbledore detected true remorse, but only time
will tell what the real reason is. There could easily be something much
bigger than remorse and quite different from a vow to explain the
trust....
7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
that spot will fall to Draco.
**Only as long as Snape is already "good"....
8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
this foul deed by a member of his own family.
**Though I sort of like the idea, I'm leaning toward Percy ending up
under the Imperius Curse... or perhaps Percy is just a git but he'll
still be on Harry's side.
9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
near the end of the book.
**I should think if it changes to a phoenix we would discover this
during the final confrontation. How cool and fear-inspiring would it be
for Harry to bust out with a phoenix patronus right in front of
Voldemort. I want to see a shocked Voldemort visibly flinch when he
sees it. Tonks has set up for JKR to use the "changed patronus" again,
but I'm not sure it will be Harry. What if when we finally see Snape's
patronus (and I hope we do) it's a phoenix, and we find out it had
changed soon after he killed Dumbledore....
10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
price he paid was too high.
**That would be a bit of added reality. Does anyone truly win in war?
11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
**I like your first suggestion better, but it's too difficult for me to
suggest chapter titles, at least for now.
12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
and eventually Headmaster.
**I don't know about headmaster, but I think he will replace Prof.
Sprout. That I'm almost CERTAIN of!
13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
child "Harry".
**Er...perhaps, but what if they have a girl? Lily, maybe.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270213 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 09:07 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong.
You don't know how correct you are.
Drivel snipped.
Dave
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270233 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 18:10 |
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"eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148662847.770053.26240 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
<snip>
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
>
Hee hee... I totally misread that. Thought you wrote "Alderaan". Thought
"WTF? Regulus 'Princess Leia's Homeworld' Black???"
Carmen
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270256 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 00:00 |
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silly ha ha <chubby_cheeks_1992 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Or maybe the seventh book will be out on 7/07/07 get it?? lol
With the American edition being out on the 11th of September
(or possibly the 9th of November).
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270259 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 00:51 |
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AbendrothBlutjager wrote:
> Lily was shocked by what he said, like she didn't think
> he [Snape] would ever call her "Mudblood". Their
> friendship unravelled either at that moment
I think Snape and Lilly's love affair developed after that incident
not before; at that moment Lilly hated James's guts too but that also
changed.
> Only as long as Snape is already "good"....
Snape murdered Dumbledore, that is and will always be unforgivable and
there are no ifs ands or buts about it in my book. There is no way we
can get a good Snape and a good book 7, not now, not after what we read
in book 6.
> I'm leaning toward Percy ending up under the Imperius Curse...
I seem to remember that JKR in a interview ruled that out, she said
Percy was acting under his own accord. It's easy to see why she would
say this, a Percy under the Imperious Curse just wouldn't be very
interesting, but a traitorous brother from a very good family leads to
all sorts of delicious moral dilemmas. Imagine if Ron had to kill Percy
to save Harry, that beats the hell out of a boring old Imperius curse,
and that's exactly what really happens in a civil war, brothers kill
brothers. It's horrible it's tragic it's appalling, but it's
interesting.
> What if when we finally see Snape's patronus
> (and I hope we do) it's a phoenix
I don't believe all wizards have a Patronus, if Snape does have one
it's an intestinal parasite.
Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270260 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 01:08 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
i doubt the movie people would want to share attention with the
books...
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
hmm, maybe but i don't think so
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
yeah, probably not :)
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
except we have it pretty much confirmed it was Arcturus (after his
grandfather), see the Black Family Tree
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
I guess you missed the bit where Snape called Lily a mudblood?
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
hmm, i don't buy it. i think Snape's reasons for turning sides has to
do with his Mother. This is what differiates Snape from LV, he had a
loving mother.
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
I don't think Draco will ever give up his prejudices but I do think he
will realise that he is not prepared to back murderous LV for his
convictions. I think Draco might end up helping harry out, a little,
secretly.
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
Are you suggesting that Percy will turn to LV's side? ridiculous!
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
hmm, nah, i mean, from a plot prespective, what will be the point?
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
What price? i don't think lose of a scar will be 'too high' ...
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
I don't think harry will die in the end (or maybe that's just wishful
thinking on my part)
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
yeah, maybe
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
hehe. cheesy. i don't think it will happen because I don't think harry
will die.
14) It will be revealed that Harry is an accidental horcrux
15) Molly's aunt Muriel's Tiara is a horcrux/ravenclaw heirloom
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Jane Grey
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270262 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 01:21 |
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eggplant wrote:
> AbendrothBlutjager wrote:
>
> > Lily was shocked by what he said, like she didn't think
> > he [Snape] would ever call her "Mudblood". Their
> > friendship unravelled either at that moment
>
> I think Snape and Lilly's love affair developed after that incident
> not before; at that moment Lilly hated James's guts too but that also
> changed.
in http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml JKR said:-
MA: How did they get together? She hated James, from what we've seen.
JKR: Did she really? You're a woman, you know what I'm saying.
[Laughter.]
so while it's seems Lily hated james in Snape's Worst Memory, going by
JKR's comments, Lily did like James but was just waiting for james to
grow up and become worthy enough to go out with her. So it appears
that maybe Lily felt like she ought to put up a front due to his
immature attitude.
> > Only as long as Snape is already "good"....
>
> Snape murdered Dumbledore, that is and will always be unforgivable and
> there are no ifs ands or buts about it in my book. There is no way we
> can get a good Snape and a good book 7, not now, not after what we read
> in book 6.
Snape will never be 'good' -he is too much of a bully for that. But if
DD ordered Snape to kill him then Snape shouldn't be tarred with the
sname brush as LV.
> > I'm leaning toward Percy ending up under the Imperius Curse...
>
> I seem to remember that JKR in a interview ruled that out, she said
> Percy was acting under his own accord. It's easy to see why she would
> say this, a Percy under the Imperious Curse just wouldn't be very
> interesting, but a traitorous brother from a very good family leads to
> all sorts of delicious moral dilemmas. Imagine if Ron had to kill Percy
> to save Harry, that beats the hell out of a boring old Imperius curse,
> and that's exactly what really happens in a civil war, brothers kill
> brothers. It's horrible it's tragic it's appalling, but it's
> interesting.
Percy is like he is because he is a stickler for the rules. There is no
way a person like that will join the DEs. Hasn't JKR taught you
anything? shades of grey!
> > What if when we finally see Snape's patronus
> > (and I hope we do) it's a phoenix
>
> I don't believe all wizards have a Patronus, if Snape does have one
> it's an intestinal parasite.
lol :)
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Jane Grey
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270265 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 02:08 |
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Jane Grey <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> Wrote:
> Are you suggesting that Percy will turn to LV's side?
Yes.
> ridiculous!
If the man's name was Percy Smith nobody would say the idea was
ridiculous as he has proved himself to be a total prick from book 1,
but his last name is "Weasley" so everybody assumes that deep down
he must be a good guy. Well BALONEY! That's the same bullshit that
the death eaters love, the idea that blood conquers all and is the only
thing that matters.
Sometimes a very good man like Sirius can come from a very bad family,
and sometimes the reverse can happen.
Me:
>> Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix,
>> probably near the end of the book.
>hmm, nah, i mean, from a plot prespective, what will be the point?
The point will be to give the reader some tiny glimmer of hope when
Harry dies as I'm sure he will.
> What price?
The price of victory over Voldemort will be Harry's death.
> I don't think harry will die in the end
> (or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part)
If Harry were a real person I'd wish him the longest happiest life
possible, but the poor boy is a fictional character so I don't wish
that happy circumstance on him at all, instead I condemn Harry Potter
to the most interesting life possible. I think Harry's death would
give a certain grandeur to the series it would otherwise not have,
certainly the ancient Greeks thought so. And I don't want to read in
the last pages of book 7 about Harry cavorting with his parents and
Sirius in the afterlife, that would be so nauseating and sickly sweet
we'd all get diabetes.
In Harry's world nobody knows what if anything happens when we die
just like in our world, even the ghosts don't know.
Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270267 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 03:28 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I'm going to make some predictions about book 7, I do this for the
> joy it will give others when it turns out that every one of them is
> wrong. Well, for whatever it's worth:
>
> 1)Book 7 will be published on July 13 2007, the same day as the next
> movie.
Very unlikely. A publisher would not want to compete for money with its
own property in a movie.
>
> 2)JKR will abandon the "and the" convention for the title of book 7
> to signify that it's different from the other 6; so the last Harry
> Potter book ever written will be called "Harry Potter The Chosen
> One".
I was thinking more like "THe last Harry Potter Book" - which is what
JKR has been saying all along
>
> 3)In these dangerous times Ron and Hermione will decide it's now or
> never, so the wedding that we all know will lead off the book will
> become a double wedding; it might even become a triple but probably
> not.
By triple wedding - are you implying that Ron and Hermione will have
other partners than each other?
>
> 4)RAB is Regulus Aldebaran Black. (Aldebaran means "the follower")
Pretty much been confirmed
>
> 5)Snape loved Lilly Potter and that's the reason he hates Harry not
> because he looks like James, Snape blames Harry for Lilly's death.
I still believe that DD and Snape explained the hate for Harry based on
SNape's hate for James' actions.
>
> 6)Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
Enough - one unbreakable vow is more than we needed.
>
> 7)There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
> that spot will fall to Draco.
Nope - way off there.
Snape and Wormtail will both be helpful to Harry in the last book - with
Wormtails life debt being quite clear from the books.
>
> 8)Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
Percy is not on the DE's side - he is on his own side - whatever he
believes will get him ahead. He is not so stupid as to believe that
Helping the DE's NOW will do that.
>
> 9)Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
> near the end of the book.
Only is it is proven that Harry is realy Dumbledore in disguise - which
I doubt completely.(although that would be an interesting turn)
THe only phoenix we will see in the last book will be Fawkes
>
> 10)Voldemort will definitely not win of course, but people will be
> debating for a long time if Harry was really victorious and if the
> price he paid was too high.
THis remains a childrens book series - even if all of us are near the
top or on the other side of the hill - the winner will be Victorious
completely and without question. JKR will not leave open the possibility
of V returning in ANY way - shape - or form.
>
> 11)The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
Neither are likely although I do like the first one - and it could be
more possible near the beginning of the book. However - since JKR plans
to end the series for all time with this book - I doubt there will be an
opening for sequels.
>
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
Herbology - yes - Headmaster - YGTBK
>
> 13)Ron and Hermione will also survive, and they will name their first
> child "Harry".
A funny name for a female dentist!
>
> Eggplant
>
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270273 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 07:31 |
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Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net>:
> This remains a childrens book series ....
Imagine you are JKR, you have more money than God and it's late at
night and you can't get to sleep, you start thinking, "everybody
says you're just a children's writer so you can't do this and
your just a children's writer so you must do that; well to hell with
them! I'm going to write a story that will give Steven King
nightmares!"
There is no law that says a children's author must only deal in pap
and must end every story with "and they lived happily ever after".
"Children's author" Philip Pullman deals with issues far far far
more profound than nearly any "adult" author on the planet, and
many of his characters, even very good characters, do NOT live happily
ever after.
Me:
>> The last chapter before the epilogue will be
>> called "The Next Great Adventure"
You:
> since JKR plans to end the series for all time with
> this book - I doubt there will be an opening for sequels.
I wasn't thinking of sequels, far from it. If you remember in book 1
Dumbledore said "Death is but the next great adventure".
> JKR will not leave open the possibility of V returning in ANY way - shape - or form.
Voldemort may be defeated (at a very high cost) for all time but that
doesn't mean evil is defeated.
> Percy is not on the DE's side - he is on his own side
I agree, Percy has no great love for Voldemort he just thinks he can
advance his career more than the ministry can. Percy is not immoral he
is amoral. I can see Percy pretending to be sorrowful and apologize to
his family so they will not be on their guard around him and then when
Harry isn't looking Percy would stun him in the back, bind him with
ropes and turn him over to the Death Eaters. I can then see him saying
something like this to Harry:
"I couldn't talk them out of it, they're going to kill you Harry but
not before they've tortured you for a few days I'm afraid. It's a real
shame, nobody regrets this unfortunate situation more than me but it
can't be helped. I was too closely linked to Fudge and now that he has
been proven to be disastrously wrong my chance for advancement within
the ministry is extremely small, so it's clear that now my best bet is
with the Dark Lord's team. Nothing could improve my standing with that
organization more than to hand you over to He Who Must Not Be Named. I
hope you understand Harry that my leading you to your death wasn't
personal; I never had any animosity toward you, in fact I rather liked
you but a opportunity like this doesn't come along every day, I
couldn't just ignore it now could I. It was strictly a business
decision not personal. Well, it looks like the Death Eaters are about
ready to start working on you and as I have a rather weak stomach I'd
rather not witness that, so I'll leave you now. Goodbye Harry, I don't
expect we'll meet again."
And then I think Percy is entirely capable of turning around walking
away without another word and sleeping soundly the next night.
Eggplant
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270276 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 09:50 |
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On 28 May 2006 16:21:11 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
>eggplant wrote:
>> AbendrothBlutjager wrote:
>>
>> > Lily was shocked by what he said, like she didn't think
>> > he [Snape] would ever call her "Mudblood". Their
>> > friendship unravelled either at that moment
>>
>> I think Snape and Lilly's love affair developed after that incident
>> not before; at that moment Lilly hated James's guts too but that also
>> changed.
>
>in http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml JKR said:-
>
>MA: How did they get together? She hated James, from what we've seen.
>JKR: Did she really? You're a woman, you know what I'm saying.
>[Laughter.]
>
>so while it's seems Lily hated james in Snape's Worst Memory, going by
>JKR's comments, Lily did like James but was just waiting for james to
>grow up and become worthy enough to go out with her. So it appears
>that maybe Lily felt like she ought to put up a front due to his
>immature attitude.
Or, you can't tell bubkis from one instant in time. Wowee. One day
it turned out Lily hated James. Break out the love potion, Jimmy, you
can't win her over any other way. watch TV. People who hate each
other hook up all the time. People change. Look at soaps. The
ultimate supercouple is General Hopsital's Luke & Laura. And Luke
raped Laura initially. And they couldn't have been in more love
thereafter. James was 15 and full of himself, and saw Lily's hatred.
2 years later is plenty of time for changing, mating, and growing up.
it's called life's journey. They're not robots programmed to always
be one way.
>Percy is like he is because he is a stickler for the rules. There is no
>way a person like that will join the DEs. Hasn't JKR taught you
>anything? shades of grey!
Peopel who joint he DE usually believe in Pureblood crud. A few are
pressured into it (Snape), or out of fear (Peter). some buy the lie
of power. Percy is none of these. The lure of power is great, but
he'd never hurt someone to gain it.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270292 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 12:55 |
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eggplant wrote:
> Jane Grey <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> Wrote:
>
> > Are you suggesting that Percy will turn to LV's side?
>
> Yes.
>
> > ridiculous!
>
> If the man's name was Percy Smith nobody would say the idea was
> ridiculous as he has proved himself to be a total prick from book 1,
> but his last name is "Weasley" so everybody assumes that deep down
> he must be a good guy. Well BALONEY! That's the same bullshit that
> the death eaters love, the idea that blood conquers all and is the only
> thing that matters.
I don't think Percy won't turn because he is a Weasely. I see him as a
stickler for the rules. I think Hermy would have been more like him if
it wasn't for harry's and ron's influence teaching her there are better
things than rules and cleverness. Percy is not anywhere near enough
ambitious to murder for power. His ambition is career oriented and he
has no prejudice against muggles.
> Sometimes a very good man like Sirius can come from a very bad family,
Yeah Sirius was the best! may he RIP.
> and sometimes the reverse can happen.
Yeah like Barty Crouch Jr.
> Me:
> >> Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix,
> >> probably near the end of the book.
>
> >hmm, nah, i mean, from a plot prespective, what will be the point?
>
> The point will be to give the reader some tiny glimmer of hope when
> Harry dies as I'm sure he will.
nnnoooo! sniff!
<snip>
> If Harry were a real person I'd wish him the longest happiest life
> possible, but the poor boy is a fictional character so I don't wish
> that happy circumstance on him at all, instead I condemn Harry Potter
> to the most interesting life possible. I think Harry's death would
> give a certain grandeur to the series it would otherwise not have,
> certainly the ancient Greeks thought so. And I don't want to read in
> the last pages of book 7 about Harry cavorting with his parents and
> Sirius in the afterlife, that would be so nauseating and sickly sweet
> we'd all get diabetes.
lol, but there'd be nothing sickly about him becoming an Auror,
marrying Ginny and just having a life.
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Jane Grey
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270307 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 21:01 |
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Toon wrote:
> On 28 May 2006 16:21:11 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >in http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml JKR said:-
> >
> >MA: How did they get together? She hated James, from what we've seen.
> >JKR: Did she really? You're a woman, you know what I'm saying.
> >[Laughter.]
> >
> >so while it's seems Lily hated james in Snape's Worst Memory, going by
> >JKR's comments, Lily did like James but was just waiting for james to
> >grow up and become worthy enough to go out with her. So it appears
> >that maybe Lily felt like she ought to put up a front due to his
> >immature attitude.
>
>
> Or, you can't tell bubkis from one instant in time. Wowee. One day
> it turned out Lily hated James. Break out the love potion, Jimmy, you
> can't win her over any other way. watch TV. People who hate each
> other hook up all the time. People change. Look at soaps. The
> ultimate supercouple is General Hopsital's Luke & Laura. And Luke
> raped Laura initially. And they couldn't have been in more love
> thereafter. James was 15 and full of himself, and saw Lily's hatred.
> 2 years later is plenty of time for changing, mating, and growing up.
> it's called life's journey. They're not robots programmed to always
> be one way.
>
Hunh? Why do you say that? The interview Jane quoted seems to admit
of only one interpretation -- the one she just gave.
And as for myself, I've always interpreted the scene in just that
way. The reasons are: first, that when Harry said "How come she
married him? She hated him!" to Sirius and Lupin in the next chapter,
Sirius immediately said, "Nah, she didn't,"; second, this is never
contradicted anywhere else -- if Jo intended that Sirius was wrong in
saying it, she's never given any indication of it; third, that Lily
did eventually marry James; fourth, their story seems quite
unlikely to be the type in which a couple fall in love despite an
initial dislike for each other; and fifth, that the whole thrust
of this incident is about the fallacy of judging people in terms of
superficial appearances -- from what we're told, James really was a
(mostly) good person who nonetheless had some character flaws. The
reason I consider it unlikely that James' and Lily's love story was
meant to be of the enemies-become-lovers form is that it occurs
entirely in the backstory; it's one thing for, e.g., Elizabeth
Bennet and Mr. Darcy to go through this process as the main
characters in /Pride and Prejudice/, but how often does this type of
thing happen between characters who are already dead when the action
begins?
When I started lurking here, I intended to post all this sometime as
a speculation. But then, Jo addressed the matter directly in the
joint interview, and I assumed it was a settled issue -- the author
had as good as said that Lily never hated James! Now I'm curious. How
many of you agree that Lily yelled at James that way because she
already loved him, and how many still believe that she hated him? and
in the latter case, how do you interpret what was said in the
interview?
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270308 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 21:21 |
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Steve Morrison wrote:
> How
> many of you agree that Lily yelled at James that way because she
> already loved him, and how many still believe that she hated him?
Errrrm.
There's this thing called the excluded middle. I choose neither group;
I think at the time of their confrontation Lily's feelings toward James
were neither love nor hate.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270312 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 22:15 |
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eggplant wrote:
> Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net>:
>
>
>>This remains a childrens book series ....
>
>
> Imagine you are JKR, you have more money than God and it's late at
> night and you can't get to sleep, you start thinking, "everybody
> says you're just a children's writer so you can't do this and
> your just a children's writer so you must do that; well to hell with
> them! I'm going to write a story that will give Steven King
> nightmares!"
>
> There is no law that says a children's author must only deal in pap
> and must end every story with "and they lived happily ever after".
> "Children's author" Philip Pullman deals with issues far far far
> more profound than nearly any "adult" author on the planet, and
> many of his characters, even very good characters, do NOT live happily
> ever after.
Actually - JKR set herself up for this by stating that there would only
be seven books. Because whatever happens will be what Harry is for all
time - I cannot believe that she would leave this anything but
completely settled.
BTW - I agree that evil will not be eliminated. Even without V - there
are quite a number of Plants and Magical creatures that are quite
dangerous - among other things. ANd .... there will still be Umbridge too.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270318 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:01 |
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tbarry22 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Oh please. Snape was not EVER in love with, nor did he like, Lily.
> Did you read the chapter in OotP where Harry sees them in the Pensieve?
Why leap to such a broad conclusion based on one tiny fragment of
information? It's quite possible that Snape and Lily hardly got to know
each other until they took Advanced Potions together, which was after
the Pensieve scene.
--
Alex Clark
Am I Lord Voldemort? (the last anagram rejected by Tom Riddle)
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270320 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:49 |
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Toon wrote:
> Or, you can't tell bubkis from one instant in time. Wowee. One day
> it turned out Lily hated James. Break out the love potion, Jimmy, you
> can't win her over any other way. watch TV. People who hate each
> other hook up all the time. People change. Look at soaps. The
> ultimate supercouple is General Hopsital's Luke & Laura. And Luke
> raped Laura initially. And they couldn't have been in more love
> thereafter. . . .
It would be foolish to watch TV to learn about relationships.
Especially lurid soap operas like General Hospital. That's not even an
example of how to write a good story.
As for Luke & Laura, I just looked that up and it seems that the story
is that she was working for him (at a disco) when a mob boss ordered
him to assassinate a senatorial candidate. He expected to be killed
either while attempting to do this, or for refusing. He committed the
rape while he was in despair over this, and drunk besides. This is not
only fiction; it is a crazy situation that seems to have set up
arbitrarily for the purpose of selling a rape fantasy.
Expect better writing than this from Jo Rowling.
--
Alex Clark
I am Lord Voldemort (at last, an anagram not rejected by Tom Riddle)
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270321 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:51 |
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Steve Morrison wrote:
> Toon wrote:
> > On 28 May 2006 16:21:11 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >in http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml JKR said:-
> > >
> > >MA: How did they get together? She hated James, from what we've seen.
> > >JKR: Did she really? You're a woman, you know what I'm saying.
> > >[Laughter.]
> > >
> > >so while it's seems Lily hated james in Snape's Worst Memory, going by
> > >JKR's comments, Lily did like James but was just waiting for james to
> > >grow up and become worthy enough to go out with her. So it appears
> > >that maybe Lily felt like she ought to put up a front due to his
> > >immature attitude.
> >
> >
> > Or, you can't tell bubkis from one instant in time. Wowee. One day
> > it turned out Lily hated James. Break out the love potion, Jimmy, you
> > can't win her over any other way. watch TV. People who hate each
> > other hook up all the time. People change. Look at soaps. The
> > ultimate supercouple is General Hopsital's Luke & Laura. And Luke
> > raped Laura initially. And they couldn't have been in more love
> > thereafter. James was 15 and full of himself, and saw Lily's hatred.
> > 2 years later is plenty of time for changing, mating, and growing up.
> > it's called life's journey. They're not robots programmed to always
> > be one way.
> >
>
> Hunh? Why do you say that? The interview Jane quoted seems to admit
> of only one interpretation -- the one she just gave.
>
> And as for myself, I've always interpreted the scene in just that
> way. The reasons are: first, that when Harry said "How come she
> married him? She hated him!" to Sirius and Lupin in the next chapter,
> Sirius immediately said, "Nah, she didn't,"; second, this is never
> contradicted anywhere else -- if Jo intended that Sirius was wrong in
> saying it, she's never given any indication of it; third, that Lily
> did eventually marry James; fourth, their story seems quite
> unlikely to be the type in which a couple fall in love despite an
> initial dislike for each other; and fifth, that the whole thrust
> of this incident is about the fallacy of judging people in terms of
> superficial appearances -- from what we're told, James really was a
> (mostly) good person who nonetheless had some character flaws. The
> reason I consider it unlikely that James' and Lily's love story was
> meant to be of the enemies-become-lovers form is that it occurs
> entirely in the backstory; it's one thing for, e.g., Elizabeth
> Bennet and Mr. Darcy to go through this process as the main
> characters in /Pride and Prejudice/, but how often does this type of
> thing happen between characters who are already dead when the action
> begins?
>
> When I started lurking here, I intended to post all this sometime as
> a speculation. But then, Jo addressed the matter directly in the
> joint interview, and I assumed it was a settled issue -- the author
> had as good as said that Lily never hated James! Now I'm curious. How
> many of you agree that Lily yelled at James that way because she
> already loved him, and how many still believe that she hated him? and
> in the latter case, how do you interpret what was said in the
> interview?
I have made the argument elsewhere that Lily's confronting James in the
Worst Memory was in part a bid for his attention. Mind you, I think
that Lily genuinely hated bullying, and James genuinely hated Snape.
But reading that scene, there is a lot of mutal showing off between
them going on as well. James tries to get Lily's attention while she
is sitting by the lake, and he fails. Then he starts picking on Snape,
making a big show out of it, and THAT does the trick.
Lily's behavior, likewise, is a lot more consistant with somebody who
is interested in Taking James Potter Down A Peg, for personal reasons,
and far less with rescuing a victim of a bully. (Most notably because
she seems quite satisfied with the fact that she has succeeded in the
first goal, and waltzes off quite oblivious to the fact that she has
made Snape's situation far worse.)
So no, I never thought that she "hated" him. Otherwise, why would she
care so much whether he played with his hair and all that. Obviously,
her dressing down she gives to him is coming from a girl who has been
PAYING ATTENTION to all James' nastly little faults. The opposite of
love is not hate, but indifference. Lily was clearly not indifferent.
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270322 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:58 |
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eggplant wrote:
> I agree, Percy has no great love for Voldemort he just thinks he can
> advance his career more than the ministry can. Percy is not immoral he
> is amoral. . . .
It seems to me that he is neither. He has a narrow and warped sense of
morality, but such as it is, he seems to believe in it.
--
Alex Clark
Lord, am I Voldemort! (an anagram used by Tom Riddle on his worse days)
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270323 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 01:02 |
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eggplant wrote:
> 12)Neville will survive and become the Herbology Professor at Hogwarts
> and eventually Headmaster.
I just skimmed over this one where it was quoted in another post, and
instead of "Herbology" and "Headmaster", I read "Headology". Yes, the
subject of Headology will be added to the Hogwarts curriculum, and high
time too. It will be taught by "Granny" McGonagall.
--
Alex Clark
I arm old Voldemort (an anagram rejected by Ollivander?)
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| Re: Everything for Book 7 [message #270325 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 01:40 |
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Jane Grey wrote:
> Eggplant wrote:
>> Dumbledore trusted Snape because he detected sincere grief from him
>> when he heard the Potters were murdered, and because 16 years ago Snape
>> made an unbreakable vow to protect the life of their only child.
> hmm, i don't buy it. i think Snape's reasons for turning sides has to
> do with his Mother. This is what differiates Snape from LV, he had a
> loving mother.
He still does, she's the Hogwarts librarian. ^_^
>> There is room in the book for only one bad guy to get redeemed and
>> that spot will fall to Draco.
> I don't think Draco will ever give up his prejudices but I do think he
> will realise that he is not prepared to back murderous LV for his
> convictions. I think Draco might end up helping harry out, a little,
> secretly.
I see both Draco & Severus as not-evil people who will help out the good
side for their selfish own ends. Such motives can be relied upon, even if
not trusted. It's significant that Rowling wishes them happy birthdays.
>> Percy will betray Harry to the Death Eaters and will meet justice for
>> this foul deed by a member of his own family.
> Are you suggesting that Percy will turn to LV's side? ridiculous!
I agree with you Jane, especially on the August 22nd of each year.
>> Harry's Patronus will change from a stag to a phoenix, probably
>> near the end of the book.
> hmm, nah, i mean, from a plot prespective, what will be the point?
I doubt that Patronuses ~can~ change. That witch wasn't Tonks.
>> The last chapter before the epilogue will be called "The Next
>> Great Adventure" or "The Man Who Died".
> I don't think harry will die in the end (or maybe that's just wishful
> thinking on my part)
Harry might die in the end, but only to conclude an epilogue which
chronicles the rest of his life. For now, he still lives in Rowling's
imagination, and she'll be wishing him a happy 26th birthday in two
months' time. Sadly, Tonks & Luna are unblessed with her wishes.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
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Free Margaret Blaine now!
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| Re: Everything for Book 7 [message #270362 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 10:29 |
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Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
"I doubt that Patronuses ~can~ change."
HP6:
"Tonks's Patronus has changed its form," he told him. "Snape said so
anyway. I didn't know that could happen. Why would your Patronus
change?"
Lupin took his time chewing his turkey and swallowing before saying
slowly, "Sometimes ... a great shock ... an emotional up-heaval ..."
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270378 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 22:57 |
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Snape murdered Dumbledore, that is and will always be unforgivable and
there are no ifs ands or buts about it in my book. There is no way we
can get a good Snape and a good book 7, not now, not after what we read
in book 6.
**You are being shallow. Read a little deeper, and it becomes a huge
gray area.
> I'm leaning toward Percy ending up under the Imperius Curse...
I seem to remember that JKR in a interview ruled that out, she said
Percy was acting under his own accord. It's easy to see why she would
say this, a Percy under the Imperious Curse just wouldn't be very
interesting, but a traitorous brother from a very good family leads to
all sorts of delicious moral dilemmas. Imagine if Ron had to kill Percy
to save Harry, that beats the hell out of a boring old Imperius curse,
and that's exactly what really happens in a civil war, brothers kill
brothers. It's horrible it's tragic it's appalling, but it's
interesting.
** I don't think Percy's under Imperius NOW...just that t could happen
later. Actually, I think that now everyone knows Voldemort is back, and
also now that Dumbledore is dead, Percy will return to the Weasley
"fold" and make his apologies....
> What if when we finally see Snape's patronus
> (and I hope we do) it's a phoenix
I don't believe all wizards have a Patronus, if Snape does have one
it's an intestinal parasite.
**He is/was in the Order, and they communicate with Patronuses. Snape
HAS a patronus. Don't get rude suggesting it's an intestinal
tapeworm.... JKR won't say what his patronus is, so it must be
significant or give us a major clue about him. Now, if it were a snake
he might turn out "bad", but what if it's pro-Dumbledore, pro-Harry, or
pro-something-else-"good"?
It's times like this when I feel real appreciation for Mugglenet
forums, where there are moderators.... I'm just about through with
google HP groups. Galadriel Waters, here I come....
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270379 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 23:02 |
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hmm, i don't buy it. i think Snape's reasons for turning sides has to
do with his Mother. This is what differiates Snape from LV, he had a
loving mother.
**I've also considered the possibility that the real reason Snape came
back to Dumbledore was because of something having to do with his own
background...either because of his mother or because of something that
happened to either parent....
15) Molly's aunt Muriel's Tiara is a horcrux/ravenclaw heirloom
**Interesting. Then maybe the wand Ollivander has in the window
actually belonged to Gryffindore? Maybe both wand and tiara are from
Ravenclaw? Somehow, I DOUBT the tiara is actually a horcrux.... Where
is that tiara now, anyway?
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270380 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 23:24 |
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> since JKR plans to end the series for all time with
> this book - I doubt there will be an opening for sequels.
I wasn't thinking of sequels, far from it. If you remember in book 1
Dumbledore said "Death is but the next great adventure".
**So, eggplant, what would this non-sequel chapter be about? If it's
about what happens after all the hooplah is over, then it's called an
EPILOGUE. If it's an expose about Dumbledore's death then it should
probably happen earlier in the book....
> JKR will not leave open the possibility of V returning in ANY way - shape - or form.
Voldemort may be defeated (at a very high cost) for all time but that
doesn't mean evil is defeated.
**True, but I also think Harry will live. Maybe Harry will pass the
torch on to the next wizard to save the world. Penelope Farmer (another
UK writer) wrote a kid's novel called "Charlotte Sometimes". Even
though you find out that major characters have died and it's a really
sad, twisted book, Charlotte still survives...Kid's books can be scary
and sad, but they are usually written to give kids an overall possitive
attitude. If Harry died, Jo would spend the rest of her life dealing
with all the hate mail sent by 9 yr olds and their parents....
> Percy is not on the DE's side - he is on his own side
I agree, Percy has no great love for Voldemort he just thinks he can
advance his career more than the ministry can. Percy is not immoral he
is amoral. I can see Percy pretending to be sorrowful and apologize to
his family so they will not be on their guard around him and then when
Harry isn't looking Percy would stun him in the back, bind him with
ropes and turn him over to the Death Eaters. I can then see him saying
something like this to Harry:
"I couldn't talk them out of it, they're going to kill you Harry but
not before they've tortured you for a few days I'm afraid. It's a real
shame, nobody regrets this unfortunate situation more than me but it
can't be helped. I was too closely linked to Fudge and now that he has
been proven to be disastrously wrong my chance for advancement within
the ministry is extremely small, so it's clear that now my best bet is
with the Dark Lord's team. Nothing could improve my standing with that
organization more than to hand you over to He Who Must Not Be Named. I
hope you understand Harry that my leading you to your death wasn't
personal; I never had any animosity toward you, in fact I rather liked
you but a opportunity like this doesn't come along every day, I
couldn't just ignore it now could I. It was strictly a business
decision not personal. Well, it looks like the Death Eaters are about
ready to start working on you and as I have a rather weak stomach I'd
rather not witness that, so I'll leave you now. Goodbye Harry, I don't
expect we'll meet again."
And then I think Percy is entirely capable of turning around walking
away without another word and sleeping soundly the next night.
**Haha. I think this little speech is darn funny, but I'm hoping that
Percy wakes up and figures out that advancement at work isn't all there
is to life. Hopefully he'll figure this out before he loses a family
member in the new war!
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270381 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 23:32 |
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Sometimes a very good man like Sirius can come from a very bad family,
and sometimes the reverse can happen.
** Sirius is not a "very good man". He has flaws, too. Even JKR (in her
website's FAQ) that Sirius has a major flaw, like most people, that he
might know how to behave but doesn't behave. He says people are not
either all good or all evil, yet he doesn't even look to SEE if Snape
has any good latent qualities....
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| Re: Predictions about book 7 [message #270382 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 23:35 |
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bubkis...heehee. Thanks, Toon.
I think eggplant needs to re-read the books.
Lily seems *shocked* by Severus calling her a Mudblood. That's canon.
What we are to make of it is harder to say, though I still think
Severus and Lily had once been friends. His actions and Lily's actions
show that something has CHANGED at that moment, and I DON'T think the
change was a good one.... Snape/Evans shipping is a bit too much.
Though it's possible they at some point developed feelings for each
other (or maybe it was entirely one-sided with Snape liking Lily as
more than friends), but I think they might have been nothing but study
partners, say in charms and/or potions....
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