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YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269840]

So, 21 Mai 2006 03:47

Danno

Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
to the point.....

1. The fluid was definitely evil.
2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
Harry serve it all to him no matter what
3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
"Severus, please"
4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
horcrux did to the inside.
5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.

So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269842 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 04:15

Ken

Danno wrote:
> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> to the point.....
>
>
> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to
> the kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my
> fault... please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he
> regretted bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> "Severus, please"
> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> horcrux did to the inside.
> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive
> arguments.

BTMHT (better than most horcrux theories)

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269846 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 05:19

sanjana

Good theory, I never thought about it that way. :)

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269847 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 05:43

Barbarossa

"Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, here we go, another theory:
> I believe the fluid that Dumbledore drank was the horcrux.

Indeed; this was discussed at much length a few months ago.
I myself found the idea quite plausible. DD himself was quite
certain that a Horcrux existed in the cave, but as was seen it
was NOT the Locket.

If not the Locket, then what? Many readers (not all by any
means!) believed it to be the Potion.

The question then becomes:

Was the True Locket [i.e., the Relic of Slytherin] meant to
be in the Basin, or was the false locket meant to be a Decoy to
trick the unwary into drinking the Potion?

This can be read both ways, judging by the note from R.A.B.,
but IF the True Locket was meant to be in the Basin, THEN how was
it switched? A non-trivial problem. IF the locket in the Basin
was intended to be a decoy, THEN the switch could have occurred
elsewhere.

> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.

I concur; Horcrux or not, it was Evil.

> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid,
> and demanded that Harry serve it all to him no matter what.

Certainly DD new it was Evil, and most likely lethal if not
attended to in time by Snape, but I am not certain (nor are any
of us certain) that he knew it was possibly the
"Horcrux-in-the-Cave." He only knew that it must be drunk to get
to the bottom of things - literally.

> 3. When Dumbledore saw everything in a vision that Voldmort
> did to the kids at Hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault,
> all my fault...please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory
> is he regretted bring Riddle to Hogwarts.

Nowhere in this plea, or in the chapter, or anywhere else in
HBP is there any evidence whatsoever of what DD was referring to,
and I do NOT believe (of course without documentation) that the
"vision" refers to the kids at Hogwarts.

I put it to you that it may refer to the Potters, James and
Lilly, and their death, and that the "memory" that DD experiences
is not his own but Snape's - truly Snape's worst memory. This has
yet to be explained, but it goes a long way as to why DD trusts
Snape.

> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary,
> because Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the
> Horcrux. Hence the "Severus, please..."

I concur; there are some things worse than death, and actually
being possessed by Voldemort may well be one of them.

> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a Horcrux did
> to the outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm.
> Now we see what a Horcrux did to the inside.

We do not know the ACTUAL effect the Potion had; only that it
was terrible, and possibly reversible (by Snape) if caught in
time. It seems that time ran out.

> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.

One need not be Christian to recognize altruistic behavior.
All human societies have scriptures, myths and legends that tell
of heroic self-sacrifice.
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Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269858 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 10:25

Toon

On 20 May 2006 18:47:13 -0700, "Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>to the point.....
>
>

>2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>Harry serve it all to him no matter what

He barely knew what would happen. Just that it was designed to make
him stop drinking it willingly.

>3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>bring Riddle to Hogwarts.

Opinion. No evidence in the book to support he saw V's past.

>3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>"Severus, please"

And that's where it falls apart. If so, the Soul Bit now resides
inside an old man who can easily be killed/die another way. Bad
enough the diary was poorly thought out and sued right. if the
potion's a horcrux, Voldemort most certainly was not making them to
live forever. and that's' exactly why he did,

>4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>horcrux did to the inside.

Apprently not to Harry, or Nagini.

>5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.

But he didn't. He could have destroyed it another way. Pissed it out
and thrown it through the veil, for starters.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269861 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 10:53

Kish

Toon wrote:
> On 20 May 2006 18:47:13 -0700, "Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>>outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>>horcrux did to the inside.
>
>
> Apprently not to Harry, or Nagini.

....Harry? Nonmembers of the Harry is a Horcrux club are still allowed
to post and theorize here, I hope.

We don't know what being a Horcrux has done to Nagini, physically,
mentally, or emotionally--except that she appears not to have died from it.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269866 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 12:48

cwlNO

In article <1148176033.580840.25530 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Danno"
<dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>to the point.....
>
>
>1. The fluid was definitely evil.
>2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>Harry serve it all to him no matter what
>3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
>3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>"Severus, please"
>4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>horcrux did to the inside.
>5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
>So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.

In case you don't realize it, you are paraphrasing one of the greatest
threads this group ever had:

From: gjw <gjw [at] example.net>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.harry-potter
Subject: Attn: Snape-Lovers. Possible help from an unlikely source.
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:55:55 GMT
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Chris

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269867 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 13:43

Jonathan Ellis

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269881 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 16:13

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-20 21:47:13 -0400, "Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com> said:

> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> to the point.....
>
>
> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> "Severus, please"
> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> horcrux did to the inside.
> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.

Very plausible.

Another bit of support.

Snape is a master potioneer. During his DE days, he may very well have
made the potion as LV's horcrux container. As he knew of this, he would
have told DD. DD knew the only way to get rid of it would be to drink it
and then have Snape kill him. He and Snape argued over this, Snape
not wanting to do the dirty work.

The only thing is, if this were the case, Snape would have told DD about
the horcruces years before. DD only deduced the existence of the
horcruces after Riddle's diary.

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Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269882 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 16:23

Zolak of Twylo wrote:

> On 2006-05-20 21:47:13 -0400, "Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com> said:
>
>> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>> to the point.....
>>
>>
>> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
>> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
>> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
>> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>> "Severus, please"
>> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>> horcrux did to the inside.
>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>
>> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.
>
>
> Very plausible.
>
> Another bit of support.
>
> Snape is a master potioneer. During his DE days, he may very well have
> made the potion as LV's horcrux container. As he knew of this, he would
> have told DD. DD knew the only way to get rid of it would be to drink it
> and then have Snape kill him. He and Snape argued over this, Snape
> not wanting to do the dirty work.
>
> The only thing is, if this were the case, Snape would have told DD about
> the horcruces years before. DD only deduced the existence of the
> horcruces after Riddle's diary.
>

The problem I have with this theory is that I don't believe Dumbledore
would have knowingly sacrificed himself so early with several horcruxes
remaining. If he deduced, either alone or with Snape's help, that
self-sacrifice would be necessary to eliminate the basin horcrux, I
think he would have left that particular one until last.

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Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269883 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 16:18

Danno wrote:

> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> to the point.....
>
>
> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> "Severus, please"
> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> horcrux did to the inside.
> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.
>

I think Petunia is a horcrux.

--
DM
---

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(O,O)
( )
-"-"-

dm1498 (at) gmail.com
---
"RUN, SCABBERS, RUN!" - Jenny Lestrange
"I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!"
- Lord Voldemort

HPCode(v1.1) S PS++COS++POA+++*GOF+++OOTP+HBP+++FF= QA
CH+++DD+++HB-HM+*PO+++TR+AR++CM++
HP/Gi-RW/Ch-CC/Mn-FW/GW/Ol-NL/Fl-SS/Um-VK/Ka

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269889 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 17:27

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-21 10:23:46 -0400, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> said:

>>
>> The only thing is, if this were the case, Snape would have told DD about
>> the horcruces years before. DD only deduced the existence of the
>> horcruces after Riddle's diary.
>>
>
> The problem I have with this theory is that I don't believe Dumbledore
> would have knowingly sacrificed himself so early with several horcruxes
> remaining. If he deduced, either alone or with Snape's help, that
> self-sacrifice would be necessary to eliminate the basin horcrux, I
> think he would have left that particular one until last.

Yeah, that too.

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Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269890 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 17:29

Lady Grey

Danno wrote:
> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> to the point.....

GJW also posted this theory a while back

> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> "Severus, please"
> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> horcrux did to the inside.

I don't know about the potion being a horcrux (I agree with Toon's
counter arguments) but I do agree that the badness of the potion will
provide half the reason why Snape had to obey DD when DD pleaded with
him to kill him.

> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.

Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
Christian than most people in the UK....

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269891 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 18:09

Lady Grey

Jonathan Ellis wrote:
<snip>
> Before they go into the cavern of the Inferi, Dumbledore tells Harry
> to obey his every instruction. Including serving him the entire
> potion.
>
> One of the instructions he gives - not mumbling in a half-dream, like
> some of the other things he says while under the influence of the
> potion, but roared at the top of his voice directly to Harry - is
> "KILL ME"... the one direct order that Harry does not and cannot
> follow. Next chapter, we see Dumbledore telling Harry to call
> Professor Snape... who kills him?

nicely, spotted. More hints that Snape is just playing at being on LV's
side.

> I can't help thinking that this will prove to be important...

but not, IMO, to show that the potion is a horcrux

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269892 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 18:12

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-21 11:29:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:

>
>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
> Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
> Christian than most people in the UK....

I believe she has stated as much, but won't go into detail as
she claims it would give too much away.

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Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269893 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 18:28

Lady Grey

Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> On 2006-05-21 11:29:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
> >
> >> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> >> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
> >
> > Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
> > Christian than most people in the UK....
>
> I believe she has stated as much, but won't go into detail as
> she claims it would give too much away.

woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
a link to this quote?

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269896 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:13

cwlNO

In article <EE_bg.3139$Qg.3075 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com>, DM
<dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:

>Danno wrote:
>
>> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>> to the point.....
>>
>>
>> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
>> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
>> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
>> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>> "Severus, please"
>> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>> horcrux did to the inside.
>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>
>> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.
>>
>
>I think Petunia is a horcrux.

....time for you to empty your glass and get to bed!
--
Chris

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269897 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:14

cwlNO

In article <1148225367.605957.143020 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Danno wrote:
>> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>> to the point.....
>
>GJW also posted this theory a while back
>
>> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
>> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
>> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
>> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>> "Severus, please"
>> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>> horcrux did to the inside.
>
>I don't know about the potion being a horcrux (I agree with Toon's
>counter arguments) but I do agree that the badness of the potion will
>provide half the reason why Snape had to obey DD when DD pleaded with
>him to kill him.
>
>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>
>Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
>Christian than most people in the UK....

Jane, I think you have just put your finger on a very important button
regarding Book 7!

Please try to expound.
--
Chris

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269898 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:14

Danno

Oh oh, I beleive that this horcrux required sacrifice that's why.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269899 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:14

Danno

I didn't. :(

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269904 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:40

Thomas Madura

DM wrote:
> Danno wrote:
>
>> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
>> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
>> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
>> to the point.....
>>
>>
>> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
>> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
>> Harry serve it all to him no matter what
>> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
>> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
>> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
>> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
>> 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
>> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
>> "Severus, please"
>> 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
>> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
>> horcrux did to the inside.
>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>
>> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.
>>
>
> I think Petunia is a horcrux.
>

WHich one - I'll bet there are Millions of Petunias in the UK.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269905 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:43

Thomas Madura

Jane Grey wrote:

> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>
>>On 2006-05-21 11:29:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:
>>
>>
>>>>5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>>>>sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>>
>>>Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
>>>Christian than most people in the UK....
>>
>>I believe she has stated as much, but won't go into detail as
>>she claims it would give too much away.
>
>
> woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> a link to this quote?
>
> --
> Jane Grey
>

Yes - JKR did say something to that effect in an interview with some
people from muglenet I believe

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269908 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 20:52

Steve Morrison

Jane Grey wrote:

> woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> a link to this quote?
>
> --
> Jane Grey

The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:

Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
of book seven.

And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:

Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
not Jesus."

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269913 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:31

pooter

Here in Minnesota [neverwillicheckthis [at] hotmail.com] said
> Danno wrote:
> > Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> > drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> > this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> > to the point.....
> >
> >
> > 1. The fluid was definitely evil.
> > 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> > Harry serve it all to him no matter what
> > 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to
> > the kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my
> > fault... please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he
> > regretted bring Riddle to Hogwarts.
> > 3. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> > Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> > "Severus, please"
> > 4. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> > outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> > horcrux did to the inside.
> > 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> > sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
> >
> > So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive
> > arguments.
>
> BTMHT (better than most horcrux theories)
>
>
>

BSB (but still bollocks)

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269914 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:31

Lady Grey

Steve Morrison wrote:
> Jane Grey wrote:
>
> > woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> > thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> > a link to this quote?
> >
> > --
> > Jane Grey
>
> The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
>
> Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
> questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
> of book seven.

Hmm, very curious!

> And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
>
> Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
> Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
> Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
> says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
> not Jesus."

Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular" I
would have said that the books are secular. Maybe she's talking about
the xmas celebrations? :S and why even mention that "...obviously,
Dumbledore is not Jesus." -i mean who ever would have thought he was?
:S

well, i'm stumped.

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269915 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:36

Lady Grey

Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <1148225367.605957.143020 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
> Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> >> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> >> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
> >
> >Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
> >Christian than most people in the UK....
>
> Jane, I think you have just put your finger on a very important button
> regarding Book 7!

Not really sure which of my comments you are referring too, I'll guess
at the one directly above your post...

> Please try to expound.

Err... JKR is going to bring Christianity back with a vengance by
revealing harry as Jesus reincarnate?

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269916 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:40

Brent Braten

"Danno" <dh.evolutionnext [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148176033.580840.25530 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ok, here we go, another theory. I believe the fluid that Dumbledore
> drank was the horcrux. I am going to have re-read the book six. But
> this is what I have. I could write it out, but a list is so much more
> to the point.....
>
>
> 1. The fluid was definitely evil.

Actualy, I have always been of the opnion that the potions was something
that had the same effect as a dementor. If I remember correctly someone aske
JKR what Dumbledore saw when he was near a dementor and her response was
something to the efect that we would have to read book six to find out.
Dombledore's greatest fear, at least in my opinion, was failing his
students. The potion forced him to see where he had failed and, as great as
he was, he couldn't handle it.

> 2. Dumbledore already knew the nature of the fluid, and demanded that
> Harry serve it all to him no matter what

He may have, given his work with Nicholas Flamel. I think he already knew
that his time was running out and honestly wanted to know where he had
failed his students. Now that - wanting to know where you have failed -
takes a lot of courage.

> 3. When dumbledore saw everything in a vision that voldmort did to the
> kids at hogwarts. Dumbledore asked "It's all my fault, all my fault...
> please make it stop, I know I did wrong," my theory is he regretted
> bring Riddle to Hogwarts.

Possibly. However, I am more inclined to thing that he regretted not doing
more to torn Tom awat from the path to darkness.

> 4. Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. It was necessary, because
> Dumbledore will to have become the vessel of the horcrux. Hence the
> "Severus, please"

No. As dumbledore sair, (something to the effect that) you don't make a
living person into a horcrux.

> 5. We saw in the beginning of the book what a horcrux did to the
> outside, when we read about Dumbledore's arm. Now we see what a
> horcrux did to the inside.

No. See above.

> 6. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.

Possibly but I don't think that was the intent. Dumbledore was not asking
Snape to kill him he was asking him to help him and Snape betrayed his
trust.

> So there we are, I look forward to your counter or supportive arguments.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269918 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:40

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-21 12:28:20 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:

> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>> On 2006-05-21 11:29:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:
>>
>>>
>>>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>>>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>>
>>> Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
>>> Christian than most people in the UK....
>>
>> I believe she has stated as much, but won't go into detail as
>> she claims it would give too much away.
>
> woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> a link to this quote?

Good grief. Can't I post anything without you reading more
into it than necessary? You must really dislike me.

I don't have a link, but I remember hearing or reading something to
that effect. No, I don't think the plot has anything to do with
Christianity. She's not C.S. Lewis and HP is not Christian allegory.
She merely said that knowing too much about her religious beliefs
might give too much away. That's all. Nothing more.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269919 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 21:43

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-21 15:31:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:

>
> Steve Morrison wrote:
>> Jane Grey wrote:
>>
>>> woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
>>> thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
>>> a link to this quote?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jane Grey
>>
>> The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
>>
>> Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
>> questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
>> of book seven.
>
> Hmm, very curious!
>
>> And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
>>
>> Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
>> Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
>> Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
>> says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
>> not Jesus."
>
> Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular"

I don't think she *means* anything by it. Don't take the absence of
any mention of God to mean that they are totally secular. She made
a conscious choice not to inject religion into her story. They do
celebrate Christmas and Easter, but that's about as far as it goes...
and those two holidays don't necessarily mean they are religious
in any way.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269922 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 23:22

cwlNO

In article <1148240208.991781.27170 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> In article <1148225367.605957.143020 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
>> Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>> >> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>> >> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>> >
>> >Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
>> >Christian than most people in the UK....
>>
>> Jane, I think you have just put your finger on a very important button
>> regarding Book 7!
>
>Not really sure which of my comments you are referring too, I'll guess
>at the one directly above your post...

It is simply my sober observation, from your postings, that you are
neither connected with Christianity or The Bible and wonder if JKR,
despite her interviews, might actually share such a (British?)
perspective.

>
>> Please try to expound.
>
>Err... JKR is going to bring Christianity back with a vengance by
>revealing harry as Jesus reincarnate?

....that is indeed my worst Potterverse fear.
--
Chris

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269923 ]

So, 21 Mai 2006 23:41

Thomas Madura

Jane Grey wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>
>>In article <1148225367.605957.143020 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
>>Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
>>>>sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
>>>
>>>Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
>>>Christian than most people in the UK....
>>
>>Jane, I think you have just put your finger on a very important button
>>regarding Book 7!
>
>
> Not really sure which of my comments you are referring too, I'll guess
> at the one directly above your post...
>
>
>>Please try to expound.
>
>
> Err... JKR is going to bring Christianity back with a vengance by
> revealing harry as Jesus reincarnate?
>
> --
> Jane Grey
>

?

Even JKR is not that powerful

OF course - that would mean that Jesus has a staring role in two of the
largest selling fictions of all time.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269932 ]

Mo, 22 Mai 2006 01:11

devnull

Jane Grey wrote:

>
> Steve Morrison wrote:
>> Jane Grey wrote:
>>
>> > woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
>> > thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
>> > a link to this quote?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jane Grey
>>
>> The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
>>
>> Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
>> questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
>> of book seven.
>
> Hmm, very curious!
>
>> And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
>>
>> Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
>> Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
>> Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
>> says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
>> not Jesus."
>
> Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular" I
> would have said that the books are secular. Maybe she's talking about
> the xmas celebrations? :S and why even mention that "...obviously,
> Dumbledore is not Jesus." -i mean who ever would have thought he was?
> :S

This could be bad news for "Snape is good" supporters. If DD is not Jesus,
he didn't willingly sacrify himself at the end of HBP...

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269945 ]

Mo, 22 Mai 2006 09:48

Toon

On Sun, 21 May 2006 14:23:46 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:

>
>The problem I have with this theory is that I don't believe Dumbledore
>would have knowingly sacrificed himself so early with several horcruxes
>remaining. If he deduced, either alone or with Snape's help, that
>self-sacrifice would be necessary to eliminate the basin horcrux, I
>think he would have left that particular one until last.

There are many problems. Why is this potion significant to V? why is
it more significant than his ancestor's locket? why a dummy locket?
Just leave your Soul Bit in the potion, and when someone finds it,
they think, "Hmmm. Somebody beta me to it and destroyed it." They go
off on another hunt, and there's always one left. And one is all you
really need. Poitons are liquids, composed of billions and billions
of drops. Can you put your Soul Bit in a massive amount of drops, or
would it go into only one (size of horcrux doesn't matter.)?

Why design it to take over a person? It makes many other V's appear,
each still bound to the Earth, each wanting to rule. I know people
wonder what V does after he takes over the world. Somehow endless
competitions with his 6 alternate selves for the right to rule doesn't
seem a viable option. and what if these new V's are no longer
horcruxes/ Original Recipe V can be killed, and these 6 V's make
their own 6 Horcruxes, which take over 36 people, which then create 6
more a piece, and so on and so forth to we get VoldemortWorld. and an
endless war I should think.

Then what happens when you kill the host? No more Soul Bit. So
that's 2 horcruxes designed to be easily destroyed. A very poor way
to have 7 pieces of your soul for extreme power. Either V decided
horcruxes have a better use than immortality, or he decided 7 was not
enough. And kept making them. Neither of which fit anything in the
books. Unless I forgot some passages that'd explain the above.

The potion seems to make you relive your worst memories/nightmares.
enough deterrent form drinking more. it also makes you quite
gullible. Harry kept telling DD it'd be alright to drink more, and DD
believed him. And it wasn't.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269946 ]

Mo, 22 Mai 2006 09:51

Toon

On Mon, 22 May 2006 01:11:37 +0200, Jano <devnull [at] mailinator.com>
wrote:

>This could be bad news for "Snape is good" supporters. If DD is not Jesus,
>he didn't willingly sacrify himself at the end of HBP...

he could have, just not for the reason you think.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269977 ]

Di, 23 Mai 2006 01:44

Jonathan Ellis

"Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148239886.976328.276490 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Steve Morrison wrote:
> > Jane Grey wrote:
> >
> > > woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity?
:S I
> > > thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does
anyone have
> > > a link to this quote?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jane Grey
> >
> > The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
> >
> > Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
> > questions about the book's religious content until the
conclusion
> > of book seven.
>
> Hmm, very curious!
>
> > And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
> >
> > Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
> > Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this
point,
> > Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
> > says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
> > not Jesus."
>
> Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular"
I
> would have said that the books are secular. Maybe she's talking
about
> the xmas celebrations? :S and why even mention that "...obviously,
> Dumbledore is not Jesus." -i mean who ever would have thought he
was?

It could be that she associates such qualities as honesty, basic
goodness, principle and self-sacrifice with her religion,
particularly. The trouble is, many religions - and nations - claim
such qualities as their own...

Jonathan.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #269978 ]

Di, 23 Mai 2006 01:55

Jonathan Ellis

"Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148227744.550841.277480 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> <snip>
> > Before they go into the cavern of the Inferi, Dumbledore tells
Harry
> > to obey his every instruction. Including serving him the entire
> > potion.
> >
> > One of the instructions he gives - not mumbling in a half-dream,
like
> > some of the other things he says while under the influence of the
> > potion, but roared at the top of his voice directly to Harry - is
> > "KILL ME"... the one direct order that Harry does not and cannot
> > follow. Next chapter, we see Dumbledore telling Harry to call
> > Professor Snape... who kills him?
>
> nicely, spotted. More hints that Snape is just playing at being on
LV's
> side.

Indeed. Mind you, I suspect Snape is only on one side and that's
Snape's. Dumbledore may have called for Snape believing that the
latter could cure him or save his life - like he did before: after
all, why would he have saved Dumbledore's life a year ago, breaking
the Horcrux on the ring and the curse that cost Dumbledore an arm, if
he were on Voldemort's side? Dumbledore knows that Snape would have
let him die a year ago, if he had been truly a Voldemort supporter,
but may not yet be fully aware that this doesn't mean Snape is
"committed" to his side.

Or he may have planned or expected his own death, knowing that it
would be Snape who killed him - but not pre-arranged this with Snape,
but just predicted his "breaking point", the point at which Snape
would turn on him. Snape could, indeed, be evil, but at least he is a
*mortal* enemy: he can do murder, he can be vindictive, he can demand
others act as his minions, but not on Voldemort's kind of scale. If
the world is left in a position where Voldemort is destroyed, but
Snape emerges as a major Dark Wizard and a major power to be reckoned
with... well, that would not be great, but the world could survive it,
because there is at least a point where Snape will not go beyond. He w
ould be an enemy that the rest of the world can deal with in their own
time. Whereas Voldemort had already, before his initial destruction,
gotten to a point where he was so feared that people would not even
speak his name, and it was feared even then (Hagrid says so in
Philosopher's Stone) that he could never be fully defeated, he could
never die. Nobody would ever fear that about Snape - he's human enough
still, and will always really remain so.

Jonathan.

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #270057 ]

Mi, 24 Mai 2006 22:14

DaveD

"Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148239886.976328.276490 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
> >
> > Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
> > questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
> > of book seven.
>
> Hmm, very curious!

Indeed! Although given the absence of any real religious perspectives so far
(the books are multicultural but do refer to what I'd see as the more pagan
aspects of Christmas - holidays, trees, and presents) I'd be very surprised
if something like religion popped up, and I'm not sure how the Christian
church regards ghosts (apart from the Holy Ghost - not exactly Nearly
Headles Nick mind you).

Also, JKR doesn't usually do "unannounced" surprises that big - she usually
hints at things first. Though I guess there might be religiousish-afterlife
happenings in book 7, and perhaps some similarities between Voldy and the
devil, or perhaps a traitor (Judas)?.

> > And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
> >
> > Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
> > Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
> > Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
> > says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
> > not Jesus."
>
> Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular" I
> would have said that the books are secular. Maybe she's talking about
> the xmas celebrations? :S and why even mention that "...obviously,
> Dumbledore is not Jesus." -i mean who ever would have thought he was?
> :S
>
> well, i'm stumped.

I'm guessing she means that although he died, it wasn't a sacrifice made so
that we all may be cleansed of our sins, and that he won't come back from
the dead afterwards like Jesus - or Aslan. And of course, there's Snape's
role - true Judas or was there a hidden purpose...

Overall, my perception is that the books do have strong moral overtones - as
does much (most?) popular fiction - but don't seem particularly religious.
Thank god :) (sorry!) Then again, I thought that about Narnia and I was
well wrong lol.

DaveD

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #270192 ]

So, 28 Mai 2006 02:11

Lady Grey

Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> On 2006-05-21 12:28:20 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
> > Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> >> On 2006-05-21 11:29:27 -0400, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> said:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> >>>> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
> >>>
> >>> Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
> >>> Christian than most people in the UK....
> >>
> >> I believe she has stated as much, but won't go into detail as
> >> she claims it would give too much away.
> >
> > woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> > thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> > a link to this quote?
>
> Good grief. Can't I post anything without you reading more
> into it than necessary? You must really dislike me.

lol, sorry I don't recall ever clashing with you before. Anyhow, i
wasn't reading more into anything, just expressing my surprise that the
HP conclusion might have something to do with religion because the
books so far don't seem religous at all -only seem to reflect life in
Britain.

> I don't have a link, but I remember hearing or reading something to
> that effect. No, I don't think the plot has anything to do with
> Christianity. She's not C.S. Lewis and HP is not Christian allegory.
> She merely said that knowing too much about her religious beliefs
> might give too much away. That's all. Nothing more.

right, and i was just wondering what that means cos i didn't quite
understand the comment. That's all. Nothing more :)

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #270193 ]

So, 28 Mai 2006 02:56

Lady Grey

Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <1148240208.991781.27170 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
> Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> >> In article <1148225367.605957.143020 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Jane
> >> Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >> 5. Also, since JK Rowling is Christian, it is very Jesus-like to
> >> >> sacrifice ones self in order to banish evil from the earth.
> >> >
> >> >Is JKR particularly Christain? i didn't think she was any more
> >> >Christian than most people in the UK....
> >>
> >> Jane, I think you have just put your finger on a very important button
> >> regarding Book 7!
> >
> >Not really sure which of my comments you are referring too, I'll guess
> >at the one directly above your post...
>
> It is simply my sober observation, from your postings, that you are
> neither connected with Christianity or The Bible

true

> and wonder if JKR,
> despite her interviews, might actually share such a (British?)
> perspective.

The HP books having something to do with religion had never occured to
me because the books don't seem at all religious so far. Therefore the
idea that knowing about her religious beliefs might give too much away
surprised me, is all.

> >> Please try to expound.
> >
> >Err... JKR is going to bring Christianity back with a vengance by
> >revealing harry as Jesus reincarnate?
>
> ...that is indeed my worst Potterverse fear.

lol, and now, mine too!

--
Jane Grey

Re: YAHT - (Yet another horcrux theory) [message #270243 ]

So, 28 Mai 2006 21:28

pooter

Jano [devnull [at] mailinator.com] said
> Jane Grey wrote:
>
> >
> > Steve Morrison wrote:
> >> Jane Grey wrote:
> >>
> >> > woah really? like the plot has somthing to do with Christainity? :S I
> >> > thought i'd read all her interviews, but i guess not. Does anyone have
> >> > a link to this quote?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jane Grey
> >>
> >> The interview at http://tinyurl.com/gmh5a says:
> >>
> >> Rowling, aware of the protest, said she couldn't answer the
> >> questions about the book's religious content until the conclusion
> >> of book seven.
> >
> > Hmm, very curious!
> >
> >> And the one at http://tinyurl.com/hmmmj says:
> >>
> >> Interestingly, although Rowling is a member of the Church of
> >> Scotland, the books are free of references to God. On this point,
> >> Rowling is cagey. "Um. I don't think they're that secular," she
> >> says, choosing her words slowly. "But, obviously, Dumbledore is
> >> not Jesus."
> >
> > Hmm, I wonder what she means by "I don't think they're that secular" I
> > would have said that the books are secular. Maybe she's talking about
> > the xmas celebrations? :S and why even mention that "...obviously,
> > Dumbledore is not Jesus." -i mean who ever would have thought he was?
> > :S
>
> This could be bad news for "Snape is good" supporters. If DD is not Jesus,
> he didn't willingly sacrify himself at the end of HBP...
>

As, if you believe in such things, Jesus sacrificed himself for the
forgiveness of sin, how can an analogy work any-which-way?

But in any case, people willing make sacrifices all the time, and that
doesn't make them Jesus. :-)

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