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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Umbridge's "lines" pen
Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269638] Do, 18 Mai 2006 17:22
lindariley  
It really bugs me that she was allowed to get away with torturing
students with her "lines" pen. I can see getting away with it with
Harry, he's an orphan with no one to speak for him, but surely Lee
Jordan has parents.

Bugs. Me.
Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269676 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 21:07
Arran  
and have to go up against the MoM and his goons? The political
environment was just too volatile. Lee chose to suck it up...we think.
What if he did tell someone, but that someone was too afraid of a
possible backlash from the MoM to take the complaint any further?
Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269711 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 04:27
Freezer  
If I don't respond to this AbendrothBlutjager post, the terrorists win.

> and have to go up against the MoM and his goons? The political
> environment was just too volatile. Lee chose to suck it up...we think.
> What if he did tell someone, but that someone was too afraid of a
> possible backlash from the MoM to take the complaint any further?

That's one of the things that bugged me about OoTP (and to a lesser
extent, HBP): That seemingly no one ratted Umbridge out. I can see if,
during her reign of terror, she was intercepting letters to parents that
called her out. But once DD was back in charge, I cannot, for the life
of me, buy that NO ONE complained publicly.

Or, for that matter, that Umbridge rejoined the Ministry, having suffered
no reprecussions for her acts (You'd think scuttling an entire year of
DADA classes would worth an official reprimand or two.)

Or, for THAT matter, Umbridge showing up at DD's funeral without several
students and faculty having to be held back from - at the very least -
telling her off but good.

I assumed Umbridge showing up in HBP was JKRs way of saying "life isn't
always fair". But I think we got that three or four books ago...


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Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269719 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 08:52
kilroy  
"Freezer" <freezer88 [at] hotSPAMTHISmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97C7DA8BF7C7Ffreezer88hotmailcom [at] 65.24.7.27...
> If I don't respond to this AbendrothBlutjager post, the terrorists win.
>
>> and have to go up against the MoM and his goons? The political
>> environment was just too volatile. Lee chose to suck it up...we think.
>> What if he did tell someone, but that someone was too afraid of a
>> possible backlash from the MoM to take the complaint any further?
>
> That's one of the things that bugged me about OoTP (and to a lesser
> extent, HBP): That seemingly no one ratted Umbridge out. I can see if,
> during her reign of terror, she was intercepting letters to parents that
> called her out. But once DD was back in charge, I cannot, for the life
> of me, buy that NO ONE complained publicly.
>
> Or, for that matter, that Umbridge rejoined the Ministry, having suffered
> no reprecussions for her acts (You'd think scuttling an entire year of
> DADA classes would worth an official reprimand or two.)
>
> Or, for THAT matter, Umbridge showing up at DD's funeral without several
> students and faculty having to be held back from - at the very least -
> telling her off but good.
>
> I assumed Umbridge showing up in HBP was JKRs way of saying "life isn't
> always fair". But I think we got that three or four books ago...
>
>
It might also be JKR's way of reminding us that Umbridge is still around and
to look for her in the final book. Politically, speaking, she had to show
her face at Dumbledore's funeral, whether she wanted to or not. Politicians
are always attending the funerals of political rivals because it looks
politically good to do so.

Also, no one seems to remember that she was going to use the Cruciatus Curse
on Harry before Hermione interviened. How she got out of that one, I'll
never know.
--
Kilroy was here.
"Virtue is not one of my virtues." - unattributed
Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269804 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 15:37
Deevo  
"Freezer" <freezer88 [at] hotSPAMTHISmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97C7DA8BF7C7Ffreezer88hotmailcom [at] 65.24.7.27...
> If I don't respond to this AbendrothBlutjager post, the terrorists win.
>
>> and have to go up against the MoM and his goons? The political
>> environment was just too volatile. Lee chose to suck it up...we think.
>> What if he did tell someone, but that someone was too afraid of a
>> possible backlash from the MoM to take the complaint any further?
>
> That's one of the things that bugged me about OoTP (and to a lesser
> extent, HBP): That seemingly no one ratted Umbridge out. I can see if,
> during her reign of terror, she was intercepting letters to parents that
> called her out. But once DD was back in charge, I cannot, for the life
> of me, buy that NO ONE complained publicly.

Her reign of terror, horrendous as it was, may not have been as extensive or
extensively publicised as the book may have made it seem. The main targets
seem to have been Harry, his close friends and those few who were involved
in the DA, for everyone else she was little more than just another lousy
DADA teacher. Now we got, through Harry, to see just what a sadistic bitch
she really was but of the student body only the 'MOM six' and Malfoy and his
goons in the Inquisitorial Squad got to see the full extent of her
nastiness.

> Or, for that matter, that Umbridge rejoined the Ministry, having suffered
> no reprecussions for her acts (You'd think scuttling an entire year of
> DADA classes would worth an official reprimand or two.)

As for that even after Voldemort's 'outing' the ministry weren't exactly on
good terms with Dumbledore and as I said above very few got to see the full
extent of Umbridge so it's quite possible that her actions were never fully
revealed to the ministry.

> Or, for THAT matter, Umbridge showing up at DD's funeral without several
> students and faculty having to be held back from - at the very least -
> telling her off but good.

I can only assume that was a political appearance but I was quite surprised
that there were no words exchanged after the event.

> I assumed Umbridge showing up in HBP was JKRs way of saying "life isn't
> always fair". But I think we got that three or four books ago...

I suspect it might have been to keep her in mind for another appearance in
book seven.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
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Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #269805 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 15:44
Deevo  
"Kilroy" <kilroy1941 [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4Xdbg.16546$Nw6.16031 [at] trnddc03...
<snip>
> It might also be JKR's way of reminding us that Umbridge is still around
> and to look for her in the final book. Politically, speaking, she had to
> show her face at Dumbledore's funeral, whether she wanted to or not.
> Politicians are always attending the funerals of political rivals because
> it looks politically good to do so.

Indeed, I don't think we've seen the last of the old toad.

> Also, no one seems to remember that she was going to use the Cruciatus
> Curse on Harry before Hermione interviened. How she got out of that one,
> I'll never know.

Neither Umbridge's or Malfoy's attempts to use the unforgivable seem to have
been been given any exposure beyond those who were there at the time. Even
if those who did witness it said anything it would be unlikely to be taken
seriously by those that could have done anything about it.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #270127 ] Fr, 26 Mai 2006 09:38
dicconf  
In article <1147965779.565044.227920 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<lindariley [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>It really bugs me that she was allowed to get away with torturing
>students with her "lines" pen. I can see getting away with it with
>Harry, he's an orphan with no one to speak for him, but surely Lee
>Jordan has parents.
>
>Bugs. Me.

IIRC Lee Jordan doesn't tell his folks anything about what happens
at school.

=Tamar
Re: Umbridge's "lines" pen [message #270254 ] So, 28 Mai 2006 23:50
Mark Evans  
Freezer <freezer88 [at] hotspamthismail.com> wrote:
> If I don't respond to this AbendrothBlutjager post, the terrorists win.
>
>> and have to go up against the MoM and his goons? The political
>> environment was just too volatile. Lee chose to suck it up...we think.
>> What if he did tell someone, but that someone was too afraid of a
>> possible backlash from the MoM to take the complaint any further?
>
> That's one of the things that bugged me about OoTP (and to a lesser
> extent, HBP): That seemingly no one ratted Umbridge out. I can see if,
> during her reign of terror, she was intercepting letters to parents that

If the students were smart enough to stop her being able to catch them
with copies of the Quibbler they could probably get past her attempts
at her interception of communications. None of her "Inquisitorial Squad"
would know the first thing about Muggle cryptography even though the
basics are freely available in public libraries. There are also
undoubtedly many magical methods of sending secret messages and
variations on the Marauder's Mirrors.

> called her out. But once DD was back in charge, I cannot, for the life
> of me, buy that NO ONE complained publicly.
>
> Or, for that matter, that Umbridge rejoined the Ministry, having suffered
> no reprecussions for her acts (You'd think scuttling an entire year of
> DADA classes would worth an official reprimand or two.)

Wonder how well OWL and NEWT students outside the DA did.

> Or, for THAT matter, Umbridge showing up at DD's funeral without several
> students and faculty having to be held back from - at the very least -
> telling her off but good.

Maybe they were waiting until afterwards and Harry failed to notice Fred,
George and Hagrid insisting that everyone form a "Hex the Toad" queue.
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