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Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268117] So, 21 Mai 2006 05:29
Zero  
So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?

Or was their fight a draw?
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268120 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 06:16
Anybody  
In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>
> Or was their fight a draw?

"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
up against.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268145 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 21:26
Todd  
On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
<anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:

>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>
>> Or was their fight a draw?
>
>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
>up against.


Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.

Todd
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268147 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 22:32
Dave  
"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6jf1725dk34q9mrs03tn2g51nhoni537r6 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
> <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>>
>>> Or was their fight a draw?
>>
>>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
>>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
>>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
>>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
>>up against.
>
>
> Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
> Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
> couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
> clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
> see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.
>
> Todd


Just to add that in the book of the film, Palpatine appears *much* stronger
than Yoda and instead of Yoda falling from the pod and escaping, Palpatine
strikes him lightening as Yoda jumps between the pods resulting in his fall.

It was at that point that Yoda realises that Palpatine is too strong and he
cannot win and decides to go into hiding. Whether anyone considers the film
or the book to be "correct" it definitely makes more sense in the book and
explains why he goes into exile.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268154 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 00:03
simon archer  
well no really cus yoda gets away , trains luke ,luke defeats vader ,vader
defeats palpatine so really in the long run yoda won and palps under
estimated the jedis
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:210520061616426816%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>
>> Or was their fight a draw?
>
> "Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
> abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
> Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
> about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
> up against.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268165 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 04:49
Solon  
_Zero_ spoke thusly on 20/05/2006 11:29 PM:
> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>
> Or was their fight a draw?

I don't think the movie really answers that. People will have their
theories.
--
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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268166 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 05:44
SpammersDie  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2-udnaZmmpJQu-zZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> _Zero_ spoke thusly on 20/05/2006 11:29 PM:
>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>
>> Or was their fight a draw?
>
> I don't think the movie really answers that. People will have their
> theories.

Yoda lost, plain and simple.

Yoda's stated objective was to kill the Chancellor. The Chancellor's
objective was simply to avoid being killed. (He might have liked to
eliminate Yoda but he didn't need to - the Jedi were already dead
politically.)

Only one of them accomplished their objective and it wasn't the hairy green
one.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268168 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 08:29
Anybody  
In article <qs5cg.179334$tc.137516 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "simon
archer" <simonarcher [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:210520061616426816%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
> >>
> >> Or was their fight a draw?
> >
> > "Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
> > abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
> > Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
> > about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
> > up against.
>
> well no really cus yoda gets away , trains luke ,luke defeats vader ,vader
> defeats palpatine so really in the long run yoda won and palps under
> estimated the jedis

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Yoda under-estimated Palpatine AND
Palpatine under-estimated the Jedi.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268169 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 08:31
Anybody  
In article <%sacg.85329$Fs1.77792 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2-udnaZmmpJQu-zZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> > _Zero_ spoke thusly on 20/05/2006 11:29 PM:
> >> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
> >>
> >> Or was their fight a draw?
> >
> > I don't think the movie really answers that. People will have their
> > theories.
>
> Yoda lost, plain and simple.

Winning doesn't necessarily mean "stronger". Yoda decided it was better
to let Palpatine win at that time to give him a better chance later.



> Yoda's stated objective was to kill the Chancellor. The Chancellor's
> objective was simply to avoid being killed. (He might have liked to
> eliminate Yoda but he didn't need to - the Jedi were already dead
> politically.)
>
> Only one of them accomplished their objective and it wasn't the hairy green
> one.

And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268182 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 17:21
Todd  
On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:32:52 GMT, "Dave"
<dave.brannan [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:6jf1725dk34q9mrs03tn2g51nhoni537r6 [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
>> <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>>>
>>>> Or was their fight a draw?
>>>
>>>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
>>>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
>>>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
>>>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
>>>up against.
>>
>>
>> Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
>> Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
>> couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
>> clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
>> see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.
>>
>> Todd
>
>
>Just to add that in the book of the film, Palpatine appears *much* stronger
>than Yoda and instead of Yoda falling from the pod and escaping, Palpatine
>strikes him lightening as Yoda jumps between the pods resulting in his fall.
>
>It was at that point that Yoda realises that Palpatine is too strong and he
>cannot win and decides to go into hiding. Whether anyone considers the film
>or the book to be "correct" it definitely makes more sense in the book and
>explains why he goes into exile.
>
>

Since the film takes precedence, it can't be stated as fact that
Palpatine was stronger. The book, of course, was a novelization of
the film and clearly Stover took liberties with that scene.

I don't think Palpatine himself thought he was stronger since he tried
to run away.

Todd
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268187 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 18:33
mewthree  
Anybody wrote:
> In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>
>> Or was their fight a draw?
>
> "Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
> abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
> Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
> about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
> up against.

according to this list palpatine is maybe only stronger with the
crystal. i do not know how the crystal works, so can any one tell me?


Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
Yoda = 17,700
Luke Skywalker = 14,500
Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
Kyle Katarn = 12,200
Mace Windu = 12,000
Darth Maul = 12,000
General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
Kit Fisto = 11,800
Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
Yaddle = 11,300
Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
Plo Koon = 11,100
Mara Jade = 11,000
Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars
novels) = 10,700
Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
Darth Bane = 10,500
Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
Darth Imperius = 10,300
Shaak Ti = 10,300
Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
Aalya Secura = 10,000
Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
Average Jedi = 10,000
Assajj Ventress = 9,600
Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
Xio Jade = 7,400
Chewbacca = 7,200
Tylus Liv = 7,100
Aurra Sing = 7,000
Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
Padme Amidala = 4,700
Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
Beru Lars = 3,700
Shmi = 3,300
Lando Calrissian = 3,300
Boba Fett= 1,500
Han Solo = 1,500
Jango Fett = 1,500
Owen Lars = 1,500
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268194 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 22:52
Anybody  
In article <1jl3729f8hl8v9lgd53ftb0fo8p3k79b0s [at] 4ax.com>, Todd
<twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:32:52 GMT, "Dave"
> <dave.brannan [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:6jf1725dk34q9mrs03tn2g51nhoni537r6 [at] 4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
> >> <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or was their fight a draw?
> >>>
> >>>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
> >>>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
> >>>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
> >>>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
> >>>up against.
> >>
> >> Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
> >> Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
> >> couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
> >> clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
> >> see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.
> >
> >Just to add that in the book of the film, Palpatine appears *much* stronger
> >than Yoda and instead of Yoda falling from the pod and escaping, Palpatine
> >strikes him lightening as Yoda jumps between the pods resulting in his fall.
> >
> >It was at that point that Yoda realises that Palpatine is too strong and he
> >cannot win and decides to go into hiding. Whether anyone considers the film
> >or the book to be "correct" it definitely makes more sense in the book and
> >explains why he goes into exile.
>
> Since the film takes precedence, it can't be stated as fact that
> Palpatine was stronger. The book, of course, was a novelization of
> the film and clearly Stover took liberties with that scene.
>
> I don't think Palpatine himself thought he was stronger since he tried
> to run away.

Actually, the book is the novelisation of the SCRIPT not the movie. The
book is written before the movie is finished, so some scenes do get
changed or dropped by George Lucas for the finished movie, but by then
it's too late to change the book since it's already been printed if not
distributed as well.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268196 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 23:07
SpammersDie  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:220520061831594556%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <%sacg.85329$Fs1.77792 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>
>> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2-udnaZmmpJQu-zZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
>> > _Zero_ spoke thusly on 20/05/2006 11:29 PM:
>> >> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>> >>
>> >> Or was their fight a draw?
>> >
>> > I don't think the movie really answers that. People will have their
>> > theories.
>>
>> Yoda lost, plain and simple.
>
> Winning doesn't necessarily mean "stronger". Yoda decided it was better
> to let Palpatine win at that time to give him a better chance later.

He only decided that because he failed his objective: to kill the Chancellor
*now*.


>> Yoda's stated objective was to kill the Chancellor. The Chancellor's
>> objective was simply to avoid being killed. (He might have liked to
>> eliminate Yoda but he didn't need to - the Jedi were already dead
>> politically.)
>>
>> Only one of them accomplished their objective and it wasn't the hairy
>> green
>> one.
>
> And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
> objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)

If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268198 ] Mo, 22 Mai 2006 23:21
Flip Wilson  
paul taylor wrote:

> according to this list palpatine is maybe only stronger with the
> crystal. i do not know how the crystal works, so can any one tell me?
>
>
> Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
> Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
> Yoda = 17,700
> Luke Skywalker = 14,500
> Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
> Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
> Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
> Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
> Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
> Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
> Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
> Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
> Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
> Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
> Kyle Katarn = 12,200
> Mace Windu = 12,000
> Darth Maul = 12,000
> General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
> Kit Fisto = 11,800
> Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
> Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
> Yaddle = 11,300
> Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
> Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
> Plo Koon = 11,100
> Mara Jade = 11,000
> Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
> Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars
> novels) = 10,700
> Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
> Darth Bane = 10,500
> Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
> Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
> Darth Imperius = 10,300
> Shaak Ti = 10,300
> Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
> Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
> Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
> Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
> Aalya Secura = 10,000
> Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
> Average Jedi = 10,000
> Assajj Ventress = 9,600
> Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
> Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
> Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
> Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
> Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
> Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
> Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
> Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
> Xio Jade = 7,400
> Chewbacca = 7,200
> Tylus Liv = 7,100
> Aurra Sing = 7,000
> Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
> Padme Amidala = 4,700
> Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
> Beru Lars = 3,700
> Shmi = 3,300
> Lando Calrissian = 3,300
> Boba Fett= 1,500
> Han Solo = 1,500
> Jango Fett = 1,500
> Owen Lars = 1,500

Eh? What's this crystal thing, and where did this list come from? Chewie
was force sensitive? Can someone fill me in?
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268203 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 00:45
h  
flip wilson wrote:

> paul taylor wrote:
>
>> according to this list palpatine is maybe only stronger with the
>> crystal. i do not know how the crystal works, so can any one tell me?
>>
>>
>> Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
>> Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
>> Yoda = 17,700
>> Luke Skywalker = 14,500
>> Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
>> Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
>> Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
>> Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
>> Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
>> Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
>> Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
>> Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
>> Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
>> Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
>> Kyle Katarn = 12,200
>> Mace Windu = 12,000
>> Darth Maul = 12,000
>> General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
>> Kit Fisto = 11,800
>> Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
>> Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
>> Yaddle = 11,300
>> Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
>> Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
>> Plo Koon = 11,100
>> Mara Jade = 11,000
>> Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
>> Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars
>> novels) = 10,700
>> Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
>> Darth Bane = 10,500
>> Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
>> Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
>> Darth Imperius = 10,300
>> Shaak Ti = 10,300
>> Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
>> Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
>> Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
>> Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
>> Aalya Secura = 10,000
>> Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
>> Average Jedi = 10,000
>> Assajj Ventress = 9,600
>> Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
>> Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
>> Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
>> Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
>> Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
>> Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
>> Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
>> Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
>> Xio Jade = 7,400
>> Chewbacca = 7,200
>> Tylus Liv = 7,100
>> Aurra Sing = 7,000
>> Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
>> Padme Amidala = 4,700
>> Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
>> Beru Lars = 3,700
>> Shmi = 3,300
>> Lando Calrissian = 3,300
>> Boba Fett= 1,500
>> Han Solo = 1,500
>> Jango Fett = 1,500
>> Owen Lars = 1,500
>
>
> Eh? What's this crystal thing, and where did this list come from? Chewie
> was force sensitive? Can someone fill me in?

It's some garbage made up by SuperShadow. Ignore it.

H.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268212 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 07:22
Karrde  
"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6jf1725dk34q9mrs03tn2g51nhoni537r6 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
> <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>>
>>> Or was their fight a draw?
>>
>>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
>>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
>>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
>>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
>>up against.
>
>
> Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
> Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
> couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
> clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
> see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.
>

It is pointed out that the Sith have continued to evolve and learn while the
Jedi have remained stagnant for 1,000 years. So, while the Dark Side is not
necessarily stronger, clearly Palpatine was stronger than Yoda at that point
in time.

--K



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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268214 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 08:24
Anybody  
In article <WJpcg.145851$eR6.85924 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:220520061831594556%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <%sacg.85329$Fs1.77792 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
> >
> >> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2-udnaZmmpJQu-zZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> >> > _Zero_ spoke thusly on 20/05/2006 11:29 PM:
> >> >> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
> >> >>
> >> >> Or was their fight a draw?
> >> >
> >> > I don't think the movie really answers that. People will have their
> >> > theories.
> >>
> >> Yoda lost, plain and simple.
> >
> > Winning doesn't necessarily mean "stronger". Yoda decided it was better
> > to let Palpatine win at that time to give him a better chance later.
>
> He only decided that because he failed his objective: to kill the Chancellor
> *now*.

Yes, but "failing his objective" or "losing" does not mean Yoda was
actually "weaker". Yoda simply underestimated Palpatine's and the Sith
abilities - not even Yoda had ever faced a Sith Lord before.



> >> Yoda's stated objective was to kill the Chancellor. The Chancellor's
> >> objective was simply to avoid being killed. (He might have liked to
> >> eliminate Yoda but he didn't need to - the Jedi were already dead
> >> politically.)
> >>
> >> Only one of them accomplished their objective and it wasn't the hairy
> >> green
> >> one.
> >
> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
>
> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)

Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268216 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 08:29
Todd  
On 23 May 2006 07:22:23 +0200, "Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:6jf1725dk34q9mrs03tn2g51nhoni537r6 [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16:42 +1200, Anybody
>> <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1148182152.709516.225280 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>"Zero" <talltree0 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>>>>
>>>> Or was their fight a draw?
>>>
>>>"Stronger" doesn't really come into it. Yoda underestimated Palpatine's
>>>abilities and ruthlessness - although he was better prepared than Mace
>>>Windu and his team. No Jedi has had to battle a full Sith Lord for
>>>about 1000 years, therefore no living Jedi really knew what they were
>>>up against.
>>
>>
>> Yoda probably would have won had they been on firmer ground, but since
>> Palpatine had the "high ground," so to speak, and because Yoda
>> couldn't hang on (damn fingernails), Palpatine got the upper hand. But
>> clearly Palpatine wasn't stronger in terms of Force powers. You could
>> see fear in his eyes on a couple of occasions.
>>
>
>It is pointed out that the Sith have continued to evolve and learn while the
>Jedi have remained stagnant for 1,000 years. So, while the Dark Side is not
>necessarily stronger, clearly Palpatine was stronger than Yoda at that point
>in time.
>
>--K
>


I think a small dose of luck was involved as well. Palpatine was
lucky that Yoda didn't clip his fingernails that morning and couldn't
hang on to the platform.

Todd
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268220 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 14:00
SpammersDie  
>> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
>> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
>>
>> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
>> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
>
> Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)

Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.

Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as they
ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268226 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 22:58
Anybody  
In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> >> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
> >> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
> >>
> >> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
> >> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
> >
> > Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
>
> Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.
>
> Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as they
> ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)

That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
time, but eventually succeeded 20 years later vai Luke.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268229 ] Di, 23 Mai 2006 23:39
flanneryged  
STAR WARS AGAIN SEE WHAT I MEAN
SAD BASTARD.
ARSEHOLE ANYBODY.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268235 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 01:37
SpammersDie  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:240520060858503301%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>
>> >> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
>> >> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
>> >>
>> >> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
>> >> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
>> >
>> > Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
>>
>> Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.
>>
>> Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as they
>> ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)
>
> That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
> time,

That was my point too. He failed his mission.

What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
"failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death was
assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268236 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 02:21
Anybody  
In article <e1Ncg.91532$Fs1.10194 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:240520060858503301%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
> >
> >> >> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish his
> >> >> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
> >> >> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
> >> >
> >> > Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
> >>
> >> Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.
> >>
> >> Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as they
> >> ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)
> >
> > That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
> > time,
>
> That was my point too. He failed his mission.
>
> What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
> "failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death was
> assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.

Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
the "failure".
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268237 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 02:23
Anybody  
In article <1148420340.162876.288660 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"*GED*" <flanneryged [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> STAR WARS AGAIN SEE WHAT I MEAN
> SAD BASTARD.
> ARSEHOLE ANYBODY.

Oh lookee. Another immature little moron to add to the killfile. What a
surprise ... NOT! :-\
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268238 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 02:41
Solon  
_SpammersDie_ spoke thusly on 23/05/2006 7:37 PM:
> Palpatine's eventual death was assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.

Luke was right on the money, when he said "Your overconfidence is your
weakness." Palpatine was so confident that Darth Vader could not be
turned from the dark side, he actually attempted to kill Luke right in
front of him, confident that Vader would not stop him.

Can that be attributed to old age?
--
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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268239 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 02:50
h  
Anybody wrote:

>>>That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
>>>time,
>>
>>That was my point too. He failed his mission.
>>
>>What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
>>"failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death was
>>assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.
>
>
> Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
> him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
> the "failure".

Yoda's objective was to neutralise Palpatine. He couldn't do it. It was
just him versus Palps, so what other reasons could have caused him to
fail? Bad luck? :)

H.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268242 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 04:32
SpammersDie  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:240520061221474877%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <e1Ncg.91532$Fs1.10194 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>
>> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:240520060858503301%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> > In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish
>> >> >> > his
>> >> >> > objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
>> >> >> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.
>> >>
>> >> Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as
>> >> they
>> >> ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)
>> >
>> > That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
>> > time,
>>
>> That was my point too. He failed his mission.
>>
>> What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
>> "failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death
>> was
>> assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.
>
> Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
> him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
> the "failure".

I didn't actually say anything about "stronger" or "weaker" but I'd say the
most telling evidence is what he did after fleeing from that first
confrontation.

He went and hid.

The supposedly most powerful Jedi left alive and he had 20 years to go back
and take another whack at the Chancellor - this time, not being taken by
surprise by the strength of the old chap.

Instead, he let Palpatine rule unchecked for two decades. Nice way to pay
back Senator Organa for rescuing him - Yoda's supposed "victory" came far
too late for Alderaan, didn't it. No wonder the Chancellor was able to turn
public opinion against the Jedi so easily. They deserved it, really.

"A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah right,
greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in these
Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing to say
when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight where
the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268243 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 05:31
h  
SpammersDie wrote:

>>Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
>>him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
>>the "failure".
>
>
> I didn't actually say anything about "stronger" or "weaker" but I'd say the
> most telling evidence is what he did after fleeing from that first
> confrontation.
>
> He went and hid.
>
> The supposedly most powerful Jedi left alive and he had 20 years to go back
> and take another whack at the Chancellor - this time, not being taken by
> surprise by the strength of the old chap.
>
> Instead, he let Palpatine rule unchecked for two decades. Nice way to pay
> back Senator Organa for rescuing him - Yoda's supposed "victory" came far
> too late for Alderaan, didn't it. No wonder the Chancellor was able to turn
> public opinion against the Jedi so easily. They deserved it, really.
>
> "A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah right,
> greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in these
> Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing to say
> when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight where
> the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.

Are there ANY Sith/Jedi duals where the Sith draws first?

H.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268244 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 09:07
Anybody  
In article <s5Ocg.9629$S7.4765 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>, H <H [at] r.c>
wrote:

> Anybody wrote:
>
> >>>That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
> >>>time,
> >>
> >>That was my point too. He failed his mission.
> >>
> >>What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
> >>"failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death
> >>was
> >>assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.
> >
> > Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
> > him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
> > the "failure".
>
> Yoda's objective was to neutralise Palpatine. He couldn't do it. It was
> just him versus Palps, so what other reasons could have caused him to
> fail? Bad luck? :)

As I have said a couple of times: Yoda under-estimated Palpatine. No
Jedi, including Yoda, had even seen a Sith Lord until Darth Maul (an
Apprentice) and Doku (an ex-Jedi). That is a failure on Yoda's part,
but it does not make him "weaker" than Palpatine ... stupider perhaps,
but not weaker.

Bad luck is another reason that could be added to the mix.

As could "not using those Bunny batteries in his lightsaber". ;-)
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268245 ] Mi, 24 Mai 2006 09:12
Anybody  
In article
<LAPcg.152780$eR6.100922 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:240520061221474877%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <e1Ncg.91532$Fs1.10194 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
> >
> >> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> >> news:240520060858503301%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> >> > In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> >> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >> > And yet Palaptine was killed in Episode VI. Yoda did accomplish
> >> >> >> > his objective, it was just 20 years later via training Luke. :-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If I turned in an assignment 20 years late, I think anyone would be
> >> >> >> justified in giving me a failing grade! :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not if you are the teacher giving out the assignment. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok, we'll let Yoda grade his own performance that night.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wait a minute, he did. "Failed, I have" he says to Senator Organa as
> >> >> they ride away from the Senate bowl. So there :)
> >> >
> >> > That was the point. Yoda "failed to accomplish his objective" that
> >> > time,
> >>
> >> That was my point too. He failed his mission.
> >>
> >> What happened two decades later doesn't change that. If it did, the word
> >> "failure" would be diluted beyond all reason. Palpatine's eventual death
> >> was assured thanks to the ultimate force of old age.
> >
> > Yes, but simply "failing his objective" does not necessarily equate to
> > him being "weaker" than Palpatine. There's other reasons that add up to
> > the "failure".
>
> I didn't actually say anything about "stronger" or "weaker" but I'd say the
> most telling evidence is what he did after fleeing from that first
> confrontation.

No, you didn't, but the original question was about who was "stronger".

Yoda did "fail", but "fail" isn't the same as "weak".



> He went and hid.

He went into exile, which is slightly different.



> The supposedly most powerful Jedi left alive and he had 20 years to go back
> and take another whack at the Chancellor - this time, not being taken by
> surprise by the strength of the old chap.

The chances of Yoda making it to the Emperor would have been pretty
remote. He'd be stopped way before he got anywahere near him.



> Instead, he let Palpatine rule unchecked for two decades. Nice way to pay
> back Senator Organa for rescuing him - Yoda's supposed "victory" came far
> too late for Alderaan, didn't it. No wonder the Chancellor was able to turn
> public opinion against the Jedi so easily. They deserved it, really.
>
> "A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah right,
> greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in these
> Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing to say
> when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight where
> the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.

Powering up a lightsaber is NOT "attacking". It's being prepared to
defend.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268275 ] Fr, 26 Mai 2006 08:09
Stefan Vogel  
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:LAPcg.152780$eR6.100922 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:240520061221474877%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> In article <e1Ncg.91532$Fs1.10194 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>>
>>> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>>> news:240520060858503301%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>>> > In article <kPCcg.89829$Fs1.67420 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>>> > "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> I didn't actually say anything about "stronger" or "weaker" but I'd say
> the most telling evidence is what he did after fleeing from that first
> confrontation.
>
> He went and hid.
>
> The supposedly most powerful Jedi left alive and he had 20 years to go
> back and take another whack at the Chancellor - this time, not being taken
> by surprise by the strength of the old chap.
>
> Instead, he let Palpatine rule unchecked for two decades. Nice way to pay
> back Senator Organa for rescuing him - Yoda's supposed "victory" came far
> too late for Alderaan, didn't it. No wonder the Chancellor was able to
> turn public opinion against the Jedi so easily. They deserved it, really.
>
> "A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah
> right, greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in
> these Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing
> to say when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight
> where the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.
>

May be Yoda hid away because he knew about the powers of Luke (and Leia).
If so, may be he went to exile to get a chance to build the foundations of a
new jedi order.
From his point of view this might have been much more important that a "few"
lifes on alderan.
And if you think in universal scale for long times, it surely is!

It is surley correct what has been said here, that yoda would never have the
smallest chance to get that near to palpatine again. Even he couldn't stand
an open fight against 1000s of troopers!
And if he would have died in such a fight, would would have been there to
rebuild the order?

Regards

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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268290 ] Fr, 26 Mai 2006 23:30
Solon  
_Stefan Vogel_ spoke thusly on 26/05/2006 2:09 AM:
> May be Yoda hid away because he knew about the powers of Luke (and Leia).

Theoretically, the pregnancy was a secret, then on top of that, the fact
that Anakin was the father. I suppose Yoda could have sensed it.
--
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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268293 ] Sa, 27 Mai 2006 01:47
Clue Rake  
You don't think Obi told Yoda??? Pa-Leeeeeeeese.


"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message

> Theoretically, the pregnancy was a secret, then on top of that, the fact
> that Anakin was the father. I suppose Yoda could have sensed it.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268294 ] Sa, 27 Mai 2006 02:03
Solon  
_Visitor_ spoke thusly on 26/05/2006 7:47 PM:
> You don't think Obi told Yoda??? Pa-Leeeeeeeese.

The line "Anakin's the father, isn't he?" was after Obi-wan and Yoda had
gone their separate ways to fight Anakin and Palpatine respectively.
So, I don't think Obi-wan had a chance to tell Yoda before Yoda fought
Palpatine.
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Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268311 ] Sa, 27 Mai 2006 16:14
Simmie Simmerson  
Yoda went into exile because he was a coward.

> It was at that point that Yoda realises that Palpatine is too strong and
> he cannot win and decides to go into hiding. Whether anyone considers the
> film or the book to be "correct" it definitely makes more sense in the
> book and explains why he goes into exile.
>
>
>
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #268321 ] Sa, 27 Mai 2006 22:40
Anybody  
In article <29Zdg.5844$921.2024 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Broken Spirit v2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> Yoda went into exile because he was a coward.

A coward would not have gone to face Palpatine in the first place.

Yoda went into exile to re-think and find a better way to save the
Galaxy, which he did through training Luke.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #279367 ] Di, 06 Juni 2006 11:38
Foreverkay1987  
I'd deffinately say that Yoda was stronger than Palpatine, I mean the
little guy would have won that fight fare and square if he had kept
going but instead he fell to the ground and went - yip, I surrender.

Kay x


Zero wrote:

> So is Palpatine stronger than Yoda?
>
> Or was their fight a draw?
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #279438 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 15:19
Goedel  
SpammersDie wrote:

> "A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah right,
> greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in these
> Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing to say
> when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight where
> the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.

To be fair, I think the original concept as laid down by Lawrence
Kasdan, Leigh Brackett and Irvin Kershner was not the warrior-like Yoda
of the prequels, but rather the old wise master who trained Luke in
Dagobah. In fact, I personally believe that turning Yoda into a master
swordsman and military strategist was probably one of the worst
mistakes GL made in the prequels. I must admit I'm biased though as I
rate the Luke/Yoda scenes in ESB as the best in the Star Wars saga.
Re: Palpatine vs. Yoda [message #279446 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 21:33
DKM  
"Marcelo Bruno" <bruno [at] ele.ita.br> wrote in message
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>
> SpammersDie wrote:
>
>> "A Jedi uses the Force for defense and knowledge, never attack." Yeah
>> right,
>> greenie. Seems the Jedi is always the first to draw his blade in these
>> Sith/Jedi matches. More and more, that seems like a convenient thing to
>> say
>> when your side is the one that always gets butt-kicked in any fight where
>> the Sith is also trying to kill his opponent.
>
> To be fair, I think the original concept as laid down by Lawrence
> Kasdan, Leigh Brackett and Irvin Kershner was not the warrior-like Yoda
> of the prequels, but rather the old wise master who trained Luke in
> Dagobah. In fact, I personally believe that turning Yoda into a master
> swordsman and military strategist was probably one of the worst
> mistakes GL made in the prequels. I must admit I'm biased though as I
> rate the Luke/Yoda scenes in ESB as the best in the Star Wars saga.


I understand what you mean, but the I tend to look at it as the Yoda from
ESB was the result of the Yoda from prequels. In fact the biggest change
was Yoda in ROTJ when he told Luke that he didn't need anymore training. He
what he need to know, now it was up to him to apply it. The old Jedi Order
failed, now with Luke maybe a new one would rise.

DKM
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