| Something out of nothing [message #267682] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 23:45 |
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Recently, in a thread about why do poor wizards wear shabby clothings,
or why are there even poor wizards at all.. why don't they just wave
their wand and fix their clothes or conjure up some money.. Some made
the comment that perhaps they cannot "make something out of nothing"..
such as, they cannot repair worn threadbare robes if some of the
threads would be missing.. something to that effect anyway. I am
reading GoF again (I have lots of free time at work) and Mrs. Weasley
uses her wand to make dinner.. there is something about her stirring
the wand around in the large empty pot while a "creamy sauce pours FROM
HER WAND" so this is clearly "making something out of nothing".. right?
So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
M_m
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #267685 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 00:05 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> Recently, in a thread about why do poor wizards wear shabby clothings,
> or why are there even poor wizards at all.. why don't they just wave
> their wand and fix their clothes or conjure up some money.. Some made
> the comment that perhaps they cannot "make something out of nothing"..
> such as, they cannot repair worn threadbare robes if some of the
> threads would be missing.. something to that effect anyway. I am
> reading GoF again (I have lots of free time at work) and Mrs. Weasley
> uses her wand to make dinner.. there is something about her stirring
> the wand around in the large empty pot while a "creamy sauce pours FROM
> HER WAND" so this is clearly "making something out of nothing".. right?
> So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
>
> M_m
The ingredients exist elsewhere in the house. Mrs Weasley magically
teleports them, mixes them, and delivers them to the pot. The effort
involved is less than obtaining and opening a Muggle packet and adding
water.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #267686 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 00:06 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> Recently, in a thread about why do poor wizards wear shabby clothings,
> or why are there even poor wizards at all.. why don't they just wave
> their wand and fix their clothes or conjure up some money.. Some made
> the comment that perhaps they cannot "make something out of nothing"..
> such as, they cannot repair worn threadbare robes if some of the
> threads would be missing.. something to that effect anyway. I am
> reading GoF again (I have lots of free time at work) and Mrs. Weasley
> uses her wand to make dinner.. there is something about her stirring
> the wand around in the large empty pot while a "creamy sauce pours FROM
> HER WAND" so this is clearly "making something out of nothing".. right?
> So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
>
> M_m
Maybe some muggle mom was saying "where in the heck did my creamy sauce
go" about 5 minutes after Mrs. Weasley poured her soup.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #267692 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 01:57 |
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scenario_dave wrote:
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> Maybe some muggle mom was saying "where in the heck did my creamy sauce
> go" about 5 minutes after Mrs. Weasley poured her soup.
LMAO now I like that theory. LOL
M_m
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #267694 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 02:04 |
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"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147902351.530855.82200 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Recently, in a thread about why do poor wizards wear shabby clothings,
> or why are there even poor wizards at all.. why don't they just wave
> their wand and fix their clothes or conjure up some money.. Some made
> the comment that perhaps they cannot "make something out of nothing"..
> such as, they cannot repair worn threadbare robes if some of the
> threads would be missing.. something to that effect anyway. I am
> reading GoF again (I have lots of free time at work) and Mrs. Weasley
> uses her wand to make dinner.. there is something about her stirring
> the wand around in the large empty pot while a "creamy sauce pours FROM
> HER WAND" so this is clearly "making something out of nothing".. right?
Or transferring it directly from the storage vessel to the cooking pot with
covering the intervening distance (teleportation)...
> So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
>
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #269596 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 06:50 |
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"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in news:1147902351.530855.82200
[at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
As for conjuring up money, there'd be no point in *having* money if it
could be conjured up. It would be worthless as a medium of exchange. You
couldn't use it to purchase goods or services, because the supplier would
have no need to supply anything to obtain money; he could always just
conjure it up himself. No matter what his customer could pay him, he could
always conjure up more than that. Essentially, the price (in money) of his
goods and services would be infinite. Only a barter-based economy would
work in such circumstances.
Ultimately, the point here (and I'm sure Rowling agrees) is that even with
magic, no individual is totally self-sufficient; we're all interdependent.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #269772 ] |
Sa, 20 Mai 2006 00:55 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> scenario_dave wrote:
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>>Maybe some muggle mom was saying "where in the heck did my creamy sauce
>>go" about 5 minutes after Mrs. Weasley poured her soup.
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>
> LMAO now I like that theory. LOL
>
> M_m
>
You should try reading the Barry Trotter parodies. I like the second
book. It's quite funny, and includes the idea that "conjured" items are
actually items that disappear from Muggle homes.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270068 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 02:00 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> Recently, in a thread about why do poor wizards wear shabby clothings,
> or why are there even poor wizards at all.. why don't they just wave
> their wand and fix their clothes or conjure up some money.. Some made
> the comment that perhaps they cannot "make something out of nothing"..
> such as, they cannot repair worn threadbare robes if some of the
> threads would be missing.. something to that effect anyway. I am
> reading GoF again (I have lots of free time at work) and Mrs. Weasley
> uses her wand to make dinner.. there is something about her stirring
> the wand around in the large empty pot while a "creamy sauce pours FROM
> HER WAND" so this is clearly "making something out of nothing".. right?
Maybe. It depends on the spell. The spell may have been takeing that
creamy souse from some where else. The problem is that While JKR says one
thing she doesen't always show it in her books. We don't know where things
come from or go to. for some reason makeing this clear in the books isn't
a worry to her. The rule is only told to us in interviews.
> So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
>
> M_m
It is all down to how she put her world together. She came up with these
rules and never shows us to them in the book. But the main guess from the
last time this was talked about was that most of the spells are bring
things to you or sending them away from you. but you still need the item
to be called in the first place.
But if you are asking why she wrote it that way it is because she wants
the magical world to be a mirror of the real world with a few warps in it.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270069 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 02:05 |
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DM wrote:
> Magic_mom wrote:
> > scenario_dave wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Maybe some muggle mom was saying "where in the heck did my creamy sauce
> >>go" about 5 minutes after Mrs. Weasley poured her soup.
> >
> >
> > LMAO now I like that theory. LOL
> >
> > M_m
> >
>
> You should try reading the Barry Trotter parodies. I like the second
> book. It's quite funny, and includes the idea that "conjured" items are
> actually items that disappear from Muggle homes.
>
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> "I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!"
> - Lord Voldemort
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Who wrote them and are they on audio yet?
Oddly I have been going over the charly bone books. Not quite in the potter
level but not bad. At least the ones I have heard so far.
Tho the school is just as messed up as hogwarts when you really look at it.
Kids with magic and the guy in charge has no power and no teaching of how to
use there powers.
Other then someone screaming control your self.
But I think they have a charm of there own.
I think it was a bad idea to call it the next potter tho.
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Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270070 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 02:10 |
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Eric Bohlman wrote:
> "Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in news:1147902351.530855.82200
> [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > So if she can do that, why can wizards apparently not repair worn robes
> > or conjure up money or other things they may need? Any other ideas?
>
> As for conjuring up money, there'd be no point in *having* money if it
> could be conjured up. It would be worthless as a medium of exchange. You
> couldn't use it to purchase goods or services, because the supplier would
> have no need to supply anything to obtain money; he could always just
> conjure it up himself. No matter what his customer could pay him, he could
> always conjure up more than that. Essentially, the price (in money) of his
> goods and services would be infinite. Only a barter-based economy would
> work in such circumstances.
>
> Ultimately, the point here (and I'm sure Rowling agrees) is that even with
> magic, no individual is totally self-sufficient; we're all interdependent.
Yes she does agree. for more info see the charatery book QTTA it talks about
wizards exchangeing the potions they do best with the broom maker who of course
did brooms better. Later they added the coins. But magicly made money
disapiears after a while. I wounder if that is why they use the coins they do?
And I bet the chash regesters know real from fake. But it does make me wounder
how many try and pass fake coins.
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Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270090 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 10:14 |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 17:10:19 -0700, richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net>
wrote:
>And I bet the chash regesters know real from fake. But it does make me wounder
>how many try and pass fake coins.
Mudungus
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270096 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 12:48 |
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richard e white wrote:
> DM wrote:
>
>
>>Magic_mom wrote:
>>
>>>scenario_dave wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe some muggle mom was saying "where in the heck did my creamy sauce
>>>>go" about 5 minutes after Mrs. Weasley poured her soup.
>>>
>>>
>>>LMAO now I like that theory. LOL
>>>
>>>M_m
>>>
>>
>>You should try reading the Barry Trotter parodies. I like the second
>>book. It's quite funny, and includes the idea that "conjured" items are
>>actually items that disappear from Muggle homes.
>>
>>--
>>DM
>>---
>>
>> ,_,
>>(O,O)
>>( )
>>-"-"-
>>
>>dm1498 (at) gmail.com
>>---
>>"RUN, SCABBERS, RUN!" - Jenny Lestrange
>>"I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!"
>>- Lord Voldemort
>>
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>
> Who wrote them and are they on audio yet?
>
> Oddly I have been going over the charly bone books. Not quite in the potter
> level but not bad. At least the ones I have heard so far.
> Tho the school is just as messed up as hogwarts when you really look at it.
> Kids with magic and the guy in charge has no power and no teaching of how to
> use there powers.
> Other then someone screaming control your self.
> But I think they have a charm of there own.
> I think it was a bad idea to call it the next potter tho.
>
>
>
> --
> Richard The Blind Typer
> Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
>
>
Michael Gerber wrote them. I doubt there is an audio version.
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| Re: Something out of nothing [message #270110 ] |
Do, 25 Mai 2006 20:30 |
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DM wrote:
>You should try reading the Barry Trotter parodies. I like the second
richard e white wrote:
> Who wrote them and are they on audio yet?
DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> writes:
>Michael Gerber wrote them. I doubt there is an audio version.
Actually I wrote the author, and they do exist.
Here are links to them on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590072340
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0752867598
The author seemed very nice, and perhaps more will come of this.
Stay tuned for further details. (if they arise.)
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