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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » how come.......
| how come....... [message #267421] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:33 |
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in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive, Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in
the other movies with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every kinda way, and there's not a hair out of place?
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| Re: how come....... [message #267425 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 20:39 |
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"Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
> Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other movies
> with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every kinda
> way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>
That is because the widows was broken. Although all lifeforms should frozen
the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
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| Re: how come....... [message #267429 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 23:56 |
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> in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
> Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other movies
> with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every kinda
> way, and there's not a hair out of place?
Did you miss the part when Grievous shattered the cockpit window?
Aphelion
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| Re: how come....... [message #268069 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 08:26 |
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In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
<llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other movies
> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every kinda
> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>
> That is because the widows was broken.
It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
> Although all lifeforms should frozen
> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
to take place.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268075 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 14:57 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
> <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
>> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
>> > movies
>> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
>> > kinda
>> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>>
>> That is because the widows was broken.
>
> It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
> re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
>
>
>
>> Although all lifeforms should frozen
>> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
>
> Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
> air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
> system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
> for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
> to take place.
It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space, they
freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out their
with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed Grievous
going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268076 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 16:04 |
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On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:57:39 GMT, "Guest" <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>
>"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
>> <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>>> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
>>> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
>>> > movies
>>> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
>>> > kinda
>>> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>>>
>>> That is because the widows was broken.
>>
>> It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
>> re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
>>
>>
>>
>>> Although all lifeforms should frozen
>>> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
>>
>> Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
>> air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
>> system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
>> for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
>> to take place.
>
>It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space, they
>freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out their
>with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed Grievous
>going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
>those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
>and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
>
That is slightly exaggerated. Yes they might freeze quickly but it
wouldn't be instantaneous. All bets are off on how rapidly they might
freeze if they are in direct sun light. Plus they wouldn't puff up
and explode like they did in _Outland_.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268078 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:10 |
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You guys should all listen to the commentary. They make it rather clear
that the battle was happening in Coruscant's upper atmosphere, not space.
Also, even if they were in space, the warm air from inside the ship
would be rushing past them into the vacuum, keeping them from freezing.
They never actually got touched by the vacuum.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268080 ] |
Do, 18 Mai 2006 22:58 |
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In article <7b_ag.73310$F_3.48543 [at] newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Guest"
<llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
> > <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> >> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
> >> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
> >> > movies
> >> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
> >> > kinda
> >> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
> >>
> >> That is because the widows was broken.
> >
> > It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
> > re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
> >
> >> Although all lifeforms should frozen
> >> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
> >
> > Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
> > air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
> > system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
> > for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
> > to take place.
>
> It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space, they
> freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out their
> with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed Grievous
> going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
> those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
> and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. were never in space. They were always inside the
ship, and to use your example, an astronaut doesn't wear a full space
suit when inside his ship either. As I said, if the life support can
pump air in "fast enough" then space won't ever get inside to where
they are - it only needs to pump new air in as fast as air is being
blown out into space to keep the same temperature, etc. inside the
ship. This would seem like a common sense safety system to me and it
would only have to pump at such speeds for a couple of minutes at most
to allow other systems to block the hole (assuming the hole wasn't far
too big) via sealing foam, blast screens, etc. - which is exactly what
happened, the blast screens were lowered.
Grievous (the only one who did go outside) is not a robot. He's a
cyborg - part droid and part living being. His remaining living parts
were protected by his cyborg bits.
Which is all irrelevant anyway since Josh has posted that the
commentary says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268081 ] |
Fr, 19 Mai 2006 00:53 |
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Anybody wrote:
> In article <7b_ag.73310$F_3.48543 [at] newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Guest"
> <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>>news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>>
>>>In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
>>><llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>>>>
>>>>>in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a nosedive,
>>>>>Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
>>>>>movies
>>>>>with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
>>>>>kinda
>>>>>way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>>>>
>>>>That is because the widows was broken.
>>>
>>>It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
>>>re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
>>>
>>>
>>>>Although all lifeforms should frozen
>>>>the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
>>>
>>>Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
>>>air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
>>>system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
>>>for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
>>>to take place.
>>
>>It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space, they
>>freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out their
>>with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed Grievous
>>going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
>>those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
>>and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
>
>
> Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. were never in space. They were always inside the
> ship, and to use your example, an astronaut doesn't wear a full space
> suit when inside his ship either. As I said, if the life support can
> pump air in "fast enough" then space won't ever get inside to where
> they are - it only needs to pump new air in as fast as air is being
> blown out into space to keep the same temperature, etc. inside the
> ship. This would seem like a common sense safety system to me and it
> would only have to pump at such speeds for a couple of minutes at most
> to allow other systems to block the hole (assuming the hole wasn't far
> too big) via sealing foam, blast screens, etc. - which is exactly what
> happened, the blast screens were lowered.
>
> Grievous (the only one who did go outside) is not a robot. He's a
> cyborg - part droid and part living being. His remaining living parts
> were protected by his cyborg bits.
>
> Which is all irrelevant anyway since Josh has posted that the
> commentary says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space.
That and the fact that you don't 'instantly' freeze in space either.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.h tml
Short term exposure seems fairly harmless :)
H.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268085 ] |
Fr, 19 Mai 2006 04:35 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:190520060858267458%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <7b_ag.73310$F_3.48543 [at] newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Guest"
> <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> > In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
>> > <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>> >> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a
>> >> > nosedive,
>> >> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
>> >> > movies
>> >> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
>> >> > kinda
>> >> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
>> >>
>> >> That is because the widows was broken.
>> >
>> > It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
>> > re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
>> >
>> >> Although all lifeforms should frozen
>> >> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
>> >
>> > Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
>> > air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
>> > system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
>> > for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
>> > to take place.
>>
>> It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space,
>> they
>> freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out
>> their
>> with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed
>> Grievous
>> going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
>> those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
>> and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
>
> Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. were never in space. They were always inside the
> ship, and to use your example, an astronaut doesn't wear a full space
> suit when inside his ship either. As I said, if the life support can
> pump air in "fast enough" then space won't ever get inside to where
> they are - it only needs to pump new air in as fast as air is being
> blown out into space to keep the same temperature, etc. inside the
> ship. This would seem like a common sense safety system to me and it
> would only have to pump at such speeds for a couple of minutes at most
> to allow other systems to block the hole (assuming the hole wasn't far
> too big) via sealing foam, blast screens, etc. - which is exactly what
> happened, the blast screens were lowered.
>
> Grievous (the only one who did go outside) is not a robot. He's a
> cyborg - part droid and part living being. His remaining living parts
> were protected by his cyborg bits.
>
> Which is all irrelevant anyway since Josh has posted that the
> commentary says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space.
I guess you forgot about the window being broken? That was the whole point
of the post. You nerds ALWAYS like to counter-argue with non-sense and
unrelated items just so that you won't be wrong about something that you
love.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268087 ] |
Fr, 19 Mai 2006 08:44 |
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In article <B9abg.78441$H71.50923 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
<llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:190520060858267458%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <7b_ag.73310$F_3.48543 [at] newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Guest"
> > <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> >> news:180520061826465308%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> >> > In article <W5Kag.72950$_S7.33857 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
> >> > <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Sid Fishes" <simes7610 [at] nOsPaMgmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:446adfec$0$97603$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> >> >> > in ROTS at the start of the movie, when Grevious' ship does a
> >> >> > nosedive,
> >> >> > Anakin, Obi-Wan etc are fallin all over the place, but in the other
> >> >> > movies
> >> >> > with say, the Millennium Falcon, they can fly upside down and every
> >> >> > kinda
> >> >> > way, and there's not a hair out of place?
> >> >>
> >> >> That is because the widows was broken.
> >> >
> >> > It's also possible that the artificla gravity failed, but I'd need to
> >> > re-watch the movie to see if they say anything about that..
> >> >
> >> >> Although all lifeforms should frozen
> >> >> the moment the window broke, but it's the movies.
> >> >
> >> > Not necessarily. It depends how fast the life-support can pump in new
> >> > air, etc. A large ship would possibly have some sort of emergency
> >> > system that could pump lots of air in when a breach is made, at least
> >> > for a couple of minutes to give some auto-patching or other quick fix
> >> > to take place.
> >>
> >> It's not about air, it's about space. Once a life form touches space,
> >> they
> >> freeze. This is why astronaut wear space suits instead of going out
> >> their
> >> with nothing on. It's not just to breath. This is why they showed
> >> Grievous
> >> going out into space because he is a robot. They just failed to show why
> >> those guys did not die. I guess they needed a way for Grievous to escape
> >> and have an excuse for the ship to get out of space.
> >
> > Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. were never in space. They were always inside the
> > ship, and to use your example, an astronaut doesn't wear a full space
> > suit when inside his ship either. As I said, if the life support can
> > pump air in "fast enough" then space won't ever get inside to where
> > they are - it only needs to pump new air in as fast as air is being
> > blown out into space to keep the same temperature, etc. inside the
> > ship. This would seem like a common sense safety system to me and it
> > would only have to pump at such speeds for a couple of minutes at most
> > to allow other systems to block the hole (assuming the hole wasn't far
> > too big) via sealing foam, blast screens, etc. - which is exactly what
> > happened, the blast screens were lowered.
> >
> > Grievous (the only one who did go outside) is not a robot. He's a
> > cyborg - part droid and part living being. His remaining living parts
> > were protected by his cyborg bits.
> >
> > Which is all irrelevant anyway since Josh has posted that the
> > commentary says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space.
>
> I guess you forgot about the window being broken? That was the whole point
> of the post. You nerds ALWAYS like to counter-argue with non-sense and
> unrelated items just so that you won't be wrong about something that you
> love.
Yet again, some moron simply wants to whine instead of actually
thinking about sensible answers that are basic science FACT. :-\
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| Re: how come....... [message #268090 ] |
Fr, 19 Mai 2006 12:48 |
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Anybody wrote:
>
> Yet again, some moron simply wants to whine instead of actually
> thinking about sensible answers that are basic science FACT. :-\
And turds like you and Guest quote back line after line of text to
whine about whiners.
Show some manners and learn when to be quiet.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268107 ] |
Sa, 20 Mai 2006 14:46 |
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Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
(blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268112 ] |
Sa, 20 Mai 2006 23:11 |
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"Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
>
Now that's a better point.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268113 ] |
Sa, 20 Mai 2006 23:30 |
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Guest wrote:
> "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
>> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
>> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
>> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
>> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
>> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
>> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
>> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
>>
>
> Now that's a better point.
>
>
One which I already made.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268114 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 03:14 |
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In article <446f8972$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Josh Rambo
<marsdragon88 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Guest wrote:
> > "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
> >>
> >> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
> >> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
> >> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
> >> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
> >> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
> >> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
> >> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
> >
> > Now that's a better point.
>
> One which I already made.
Me too, multiple times, but "Guest" kept saying it was "non-sense". :-\
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| Re: how come....... [message #268133 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 15:57 |
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"Now that's a better point."-Guest
"One which I already made."-Josh Rambo
"Me too, multiple times..."-Anybody
Yes, but not exactly in those terms. Beyond that, I belive Guest is also
commenting to some degree on another discussion (in which he believes I
do not have a good point).
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| Re: how come....... [message #268135 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 16:06 |
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"Which is all irrelvant anyway since Josh has posted that the commentary
says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space."-Anybody
That's not entirely true. Explosive decompression still occurs, even
within the atmosphere, and at the very limits of it it could be cold
enough to freeze, though not instantly. If you sky dive from a
sufficiently high altitude, even with goggles on, you have to keep your
eyes closed for the first part of the dive, or they'll ice over. This is
what happen to the guy that holds the world record for parachuting from
the highest altitude.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268136 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 17:15 |
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"Josh Rambo" <marsdragon88 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:446f8972$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net...
> Guest wrote:
>> "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
>>> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
>>> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
>>> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
>>> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
>>> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
>>> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
>>> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
>>>
>>
>> Now that's a better point.
>
> One which I already made.
Damn. Even when I give you nerds the credit, you STILL want to argue!
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| Re: how come....... [message #268137 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 17:17 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:210520061314376884%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <446f8972$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Josh Rambo
> <marsdragon88 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Guest wrote:
>> > "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
>> > news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
>> >>
>> >> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
>> >> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
>> >> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
>> >> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
>> >> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
>> >> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
>> >> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
>> >
>> > Now that's a better point.
>>
>> One which I already made.
>
> Me too, multiple times, but "Guest" kept saying it was "non-sense". :-\
If you think that you made that point too, then I guess you did. He made
his point in a concise and clear way. I don't recall your point sounding
like his or I would have agreed with you.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268140 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 17:37 |
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you guys just answered a question i had been pondering over for a long
time. THANKS!!!
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| Re: how come....... [message #268141 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 17:46 |
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Michael Chubb wrote:
> "Which is all irrelvant anyway since Josh has posted that the commentary
> says the ship is in the upper atmosphere and not space."-Anybody
>
> That's not entirely true. Explosive decompression still occurs, even
> within the atmosphere, and at the very limits of it it could be cold
> enough to freeze, though not instantly. If you sky dive from a
> sufficiently high altitude, even with goggles on, you have to keep your
> eyes closed for the first part of the dive, or they'll ice over. This is
> what happen to the guy that holds the world record for parachuting from
> the highest altitude.
>
'Explosive' decompression doesn't occur when dropping just one
atmosphere of pressure, no matter how fast it happens. That's a pressure
difference of just 14 lbs per sq inch, which is bugger all.
H.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268151 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 23:06 |
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In article <6w%bg.74158$_S7.9185 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
<llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:210520061314376884%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <446f8972$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Josh Rambo
> > <marsdragon88 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Guest wrote:
> >> > "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive decompression
> >> >> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would have
> >> >> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the ship
> >> >> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by the
> >> >> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
> >> >> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was nothing
> >> >> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
> >> >
> >> > Now that's a better point.
> >>
> >> One which I already made.
> >
> > Me too, multiple times, but "Guest" kept saying it was "non-sense". :-\
>
> If you think that you made that point too, then I guess you did. He made
> his point in a concise and clear way. I don't recall your point sounding
> like his or I would have agreed with you.
It was the same point, but I obviously confused you by giving an
example of a safety system that would stop "space" getting inside the
ship at all.
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| Re: how come....... [message #268177 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 16:04 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:220520060906511214%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <6w%bg.74158$_S7.9185 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Guest"
> <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:210520061314376884%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> > In article <446f8972$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Josh Rambo
>> > <marsdragon88 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Guest wrote:
>> >> > "Michael Chubb" <MDChubb [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:29461-446F0FB2-877 [at] storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, even in deep space, in the case of explosive
>> >> >> decompression
>> >> >> from a broken window, all the atmosphere in the entire ship would
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> to be sucked out (blown out, really, as the high pressure in the
>> >> >> ship
>> >> >> equalises to zero pressure outside) before they were affected by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> cold of space. Remember, Ani and Obi were in danger of being sucked
>> >> >> (blown?) OUT of the ship as the air rushed by them. There was
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> coming IN before the blast door sealed the cockpit.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now that's a better point.
>> >>
>> >> One which I already made.
>> >
>> > Me too, multiple times, but "Guest" kept saying it was "non-sense".
>> > :-\
>>
>> If you think that you made that point too, then I guess you did. He made
>> his point in a concise and clear way. I don't recall your point sounding
>> like his or I would have agreed with you.
>
> It was the same point, but I obviously confused you by giving an
> example of a safety system that would stop "space" getting inside the
> ship at all.
I guess what he wrote is what you meant to say...
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| Re: how come....... [message #276600 ] |
Sa, 03 Juni 2006 14:44 |
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"'Explosive decompression' doesn't occur when dropping just one
atmosphere of pressure, no matter how fast it happens. That's a pressure
difference of just 14 lbs per square inch, which is bugger all."
Well, I'm not familiar with that slang, so I suppose your point is is
lost on me BUT, a recently aired episode of "Mythbusters" addressed some
myths surrounding explosive decompression, and at standard cruising
altitude for most airliners (35.000 feet), there difference is just 8
PSI (I believe that's the number they stated), and explosive
decompression can occur, provided there is a sufficiently large hole in
the aircraft's hull (a single bullet hole, however, will not cause the
amount of damage most movies would have you believe). I also worked with
a retired Air Force guy who suffered partial hearing loss due to his
eardrums "blowing out" during explosive decompression at a comparitively
low 12,000 feet. As to the validity of his account, I can't say, but I
know of no motive for him to have lied.
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| Re: how come....... [message #276602 ] |
Sa, 03 Juni 2006 16:01 |
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Michael Chubb wrote:
> "'Explosive decompression' doesn't occur when dropping just one
> atmosphere of pressure, no matter how fast it happens. That's a pressure
> difference of just 14 lbs per square inch, which is bugger all."
>
> Well, I'm not familiar with that slang, so I suppose your point is is
> lost on me BUT, a recently aired episode of "Mythbusters" addressed some
> myths surrounding explosive decompression, and at standard cruising
> altitude for most airliners (35.000 feet), there difference is just 8
> PSI (I believe that's the number they stated), and explosive
> decompression can occur, provided there is a sufficiently large hole in
> the aircraft's hull (a single bullet hole, however, will not cause the
> amount of damage most movies would have you believe). I also worked with
> a retired Air Force guy who suffered partial hearing loss due to his
> eardrums "blowing out" during explosive decompression at a comparitively
> low 12,000 feet. As to the validity of his account, I can't say, but I
> know of no motive for him to have lied.
>
My point was that you don't explode for an instantaneous pressure drop
of 14PSI. Some others believe that is not the case, and you would
literally explode in space.
I can concur with the hearing problems that your source mentioned, I've
heard similar stories of ear problems as a result of pressure changes.
H.
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| Re: how come....... [message #279370 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 17:58 |
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"My point was that you don't explode for an instantaneous pressure drop
of 14PSI."
Ah, so you didn't mean "explosive dcompression", but "explode FROM
decompression". I see.
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| Re: how come....... [message #279380 ] |
Mi, 07 Juni 2006 00:37 |
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Michael Chubb wrote:
> "My point was that you don't explode for an instantaneous pressure drop
> of 14PSI."
>
> Ah, so you didn't mean "explosive dcompression", but "explode FROM
> decompression". I see.
>
Yes, my bad, I wasn't concise. :)
H.
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