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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat
| Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266686] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 05:57 |
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Curious about the hat, I wrote to the owner of Julien's auction house, who
sent me the following:
Thank you for this! We have been recently informed that Graham Rye is not
a credible source in the James Bond world and has his identity wrapped up
in selling of the first Odd Job hat. The hat and ring that we have in the
sale have been thoroughly authenticated and come directly from Harold
Sakata's estate. He claims that there was only one hat for the film and if
you watch the film closely you will see that there was a hat with black
felt that he wore and a hat with a metal plate which he threw. We are
doing this sale in conjunction with MGM Studio's and all parties have
informed us that Graham has caused many problems for other James Bond sales
and that he has lost all credibility with collectors. If you have any
questions please let us know.
Darren Julien <darren [at] juliensauctions.com>
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266688 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 12:04 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> Curious about the hat, I wrote to the owner of Julien's auction house, who
> sent me the following:
>
> Thank you for this! We have been recently informed that Graham Rye is not
> a credible source in the James Bond world and has his identity wrapped up
> in selling of the first Odd Job hat. The hat and ring that we have in the
> sale have been thoroughly authenticated and come directly from Harold
> Sakata's estate. He claims that there was only one hat for the film and if
> you watch the film closely you will see that there was a hat with black
> felt that he wore and a hat with a metal plate which he threw. We are
> doing this sale in conjunction with MGM Studio's and all parties have
> informed us that Graham has caused many problems for other James Bond sales
> and that he has lost all credibility with collectors. If you have any
> questions please let us know.
> Darren Julien <darren [at] juliensauctions.com>
I stand 100% behind everything written in the recently posted 007
MAGAZINE & Archive Limited press release.
Graham Rye
007 MAGAZINE & Archive Limited
www.007magazine.co.uk
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266692 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 21:06 |
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Graham,
The fact that you did not disclose your identity in your original post in
any clear way casts, in my mind, very serious doubts over the veracity of
anything you say.
The practice of writing your own press release about matters very close to
your financial interests is certainly questionable at best when done in this
manner.
Speaking purely as an outsider in this matter you have done yourself no
favours.
Regards,
Pete J
"Number One" <editor [at] 007magazine.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1147428256.442203.48410 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rich Handley wrote:
>> Curious about the hat, I wrote to the owner of Julien's auction house,
>> who
>> sent me the following:
>>
>> Thank you for this! We have been recently informed that Graham Rye is
>> not
>> a credible source in the James Bond world and has his identity wrapped up
>> in selling of the first Odd Job hat. The hat and ring that we have in
>> the
>> sale have been thoroughly authenticated and come directly from Harold
>> Sakata's estate. He claims that there was only one hat for the film and
>> if
>> you watch the film closely you will see that there was a hat with black
>> felt that he wore and a hat with a metal plate which he threw. We are
>> doing this sale in conjunction with MGM Studio's and all parties have
>> informed us that Graham has caused many problems for other James Bond
>> sales
>> and that he has lost all credibility with collectors. If you have any
>> questions please let us know.
>> Darren Julien <darren [at] juliensauctions.com>
>
>
> I stand 100% behind everything written in the recently posted 007
> MAGAZINE & Archive Limited press release.
>
> Graham Rye
> 007 MAGAZINE & Archive Limited
> www.007magazine.co.uk
>
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266693 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 21:40 |
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1) - The opinion you express in your first paragraph makes no logical
sense.
2) - As I have posted here as Number One for some while I wouldn't
think it would take too great a leap of intelligence to realise who
posted the Press Release.
3) - Obviously any press release issued by 007 MAGAZINE & Archive
Limited would be fully approved by me before being released for
publication.
4) - I do not have a professional or paid mouthpiece. No one else
speaks for me or on my behalf, therefore it is necessary for me to
handle all forms of publicity, promotion and press releases myself.
5) - How does looking after one's own business and financial interests
become questionable by writing one's own press releases? It's cheaper
and you get the job done properly first time!
6) - As an outsider how can you possibly understand the hidden agendas
here and why Rich Handley went out of his way to post the rubbishing
whitewash reply from Darren Julien, which I imagine he believed would
be treated as confidential.
7) - AND MOST IMPORTANT! The content of the 007 MAGAZINE Press Release
is 100% correct. The hat that Julien's Auctions is offering for sale
may well have belonged to Harold Sakata - but it is NOT the hat he wore
in the film, as I repeat - for the last time - he never wore (or threw)
a steel-brimmed square-crown bowler hat at any time during the film
'Goldfinger'.
Graham Rye
007 MAGAZINE & Archive Limited
www.007magazine.co.uk
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266696 ] |
Sa, 13 Mai 2006 03:59 |
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"Number One" <editor [at] 007magazine.co.uk> said:
>2) - As I have posted here as Number One for some while I wouldn't
>think it would take too great a leap of intelligence to realise who
>posted the Press Release.
In all fairness, I've been here for a decade and didn't know you were
Number One. For that matter...I don't even recall ever seeing a post from
anyone by that name. In any case, to expect someone to know your nickname
isn't very realistic since you're not a frequent poster here. That said...
>4) - I do not have a professional or paid mouthpiece. No one else
>speaks for me or on my behalf, therefore it is necessary for me to
>handle all forms of publicity, promotion and press releases myself.
....I see no problem with this. If yours were a long-established
professional publication, then there would need to be a separation of
church and state (i.e., editorial and sales/PR) for the sake of
journalistic integrity, but since you offer a fan-press magazine, that's
not the case. It makes total sense for you to write your own press
releases in order to keep costs down, and you don't have to defend yourself
on that one as far as I'm concerned.
>6) - As an outsider how can you possibly understand the hidden agendas
>here and why Rich Handley went out of his way to post the rubbishing
>whitewash reply from Darren Julien, which I imagine he believed would
>be treated as confidential.
Woah, dude, relax. I have no hidden agendas, as I don't know you and you
don't know me. Having had little to no contact with you before today, I've
never had much of a chance to form either a friendship or emnity with you.
The sum total that I know about you is that you run a fan magazine and that
from time to time, I see posts from others asking why they've not received
any issues. Other than that, zilch. My only reason for posting Julien's
reply was that I found it interesting and thought other fans would as well.
It's shared information about a common interest, that's all -- no agenda
involved. I have no personal stake in finding out which one of you is
being truthful -- I just found your press release interesting enough to do
some research. As a journalist myself, it's in my nature to examine both
side before taking something at face value, and I thought others here might
wish to do the same, so I posted what "the other side" said. And for the
record, my note to Julien and his reply to me were not written in the
spirit of confidentiality since he doesn't know me from Adam and would have
no reason to confide in me. The answer he gave me was clearly one that has
been carefully crafted to be given to anyone who asks about your claims.
Like your post, his answer is PR, nothing more. As such, there's no reason
others shouldn't have been privvy to it.
>7) - AND MOST IMPORTANT! The content of the 007 MAGAZINE Press Release
>is 100% correct. The hat that Julien's Auctions is offering for sale
>may well have belonged to Harold Sakata - but it is NOT the hat he wore
>in the film, as I repeat - for the last time - he never wore (or threw)
>a steel-brimmed square-crown bowler hat at any time during the film
>'Goldfinger'.
In the interest of validating your claim...can you prove this? Just
because you or Julien say something does not mean either of you is right.
And again, I have no ax to grind or agenda to push here -- it's just the
curiosity of a fan speaking, that's all.
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266710 ] |
Sa, 13 Mai 2006 16:28 |
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You really spent too much time on that reply.
The first paragraph does make logical sense. But in smaller words it means-
Because you made no effort to say you were the one posting the original post
(i.e. it was posted as a release and not a post direct from you) it casts
question on how honest you are... Because you made no effort to make it
clear you were making that release. I didn't know you from Adam and your
name means nothing to me until I read it in two posts. One saying you're a
liar and another saying you're not.
It does not help your cause to discover that the post that says you are not
a liar is a press release which you have written but which is not signed by
you.
I hope that clears it up in the grand fashion of using a hundred words where
ten will do.
I haven't posted here for a while and I wouldn't know who number one was if
number one squatted on my lawn and left me a gift.
You're making an assumption, and where I'm from, in business, only idiots do
that.
I can't be bothered about the hidden agendas. If I'm honest, I simply don't
care. But I would take it that I am the target audience for your post
because I'm an interested party in any Bond memorabilia auction. So if I
don't understand it and the suggestion in your post being that you want me
to because you want to look like the good honest man, then simply you
haven't drafted a very good press release and have just conceded as much by
suggesting that I don't understand. Perhaps the next time you'll take more
care and draft a better work, so that I might understand.
Rich Handley has been posting here for over eight years that I can remember.
His is one of the names here that are familiar to me after all these years.
I put a lot more stock into what he says than what you rant. I think if he
asked Darren Julien about this it would be out of curiosity and as for the
reply being confidential, you have read it haven't you? I doubt it's no more
confidential than the front page of the Guardian.
Again as an outsider I find it difficult to lent any credit to what you say,
Graham. Not because I have an agenda. But simply because I have made a
judgement call based on the way you conduct yourself and, apparently, your
business.
I suggest you take more care the next time you want to improve your image
because you have failed on this occasion.
Regards,
Pete J
"Number One" <editor [at] 007magazine.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1147462816.342253.179900 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> 1) - The opinion you express in your first paragraph makes no logical
> sense.
>
> 2) - As I have posted here as Number One for some while I wouldn't
> think it would take too great a leap of intelligence to realise who
> posted the Press Release.
>
> 3) - Obviously any press release issued by 007 MAGAZINE & Archive
> Limited would be fully approved by me before being released for
> publication.
>
> 4) - I do not have a professional or paid mouthpiece. No one else
> speaks for me or on my behalf, therefore it is necessary for me to
> handle all forms of publicity, promotion and press releases myself.
>
> 5) - How does looking after one's own business and financial interests
> become questionable by writing one's own press releases? It's cheaper
> and you get the job done properly first time!
>
> 6) - As an outsider how can you possibly understand the hidden agendas
> here and why Rich Handley went out of his way to post the rubbishing
> whitewash reply from Darren Julien, which I imagine he believed would
> be treated as confidential.
>
> 7) - AND MOST IMPORTANT! The content of the 007 MAGAZINE Press Release
> is 100% correct. The hat that Julien's Auctions is offering for sale
> may well have belonged to Harold Sakata - but it is NOT the hat he wore
> in the film, as I repeat - for the last time - he never wore (or threw)
> a steel-brimmed square-crown bowler hat at any time during the film
> 'Goldfinger'.
>
> Graham Rye
> 007 MAGAZINE & Archive Limited
> www.007magazine.co.uk
>
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| Re: Aucion House's Response to Graham Rye, RE: the bowler hat [message #266716 ] |
Sa, 13 Mai 2006 17:16 |
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"Pete Jones" <pete.jones2811 [at] btinternet.com> said:
>Rich Handley has been posting here for over eight years that I can remember.
>His is one of the names here that are familiar to me after all these years.
>I put a lot more stock into what he says than what you rant. I think if he
>asked Darren Julien about this it would be out of curiosity and as for the
>reply being confidential, you have read it haven't you? I doubt it's no more
>confidential than the front page of the Guardian.
Thank you, Pete. I appreciate the support. :)
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