| When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265836] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 18:33 |
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Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265837 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 20:11 |
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Justin Pate schreef:
> Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
> never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
> preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
>
> Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
> I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
> Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
And you're probably a paranoid neoconservative. Why would I think so?
Well, you obviously don't understand satire or probably don't *want* to
understand it (or did you really think the makers of The Simpsons want
us to believe that there is some kind of whacking day?), and someone who
doesn't share your meaning is a liberal. Classic point in case.
Am I a liberal? Hell no, I'm European ;)
--
U
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265838 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 20:31 |
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Uhro wrote:
> And you're probably a paranoid neoconservative. Why would I think so?
> Well, you obviously don't understand satire or probably don't *want* to
> understand it (or did you really think the makers of The Simpsons want
> us to believe that there is some kind of whacking day?),
They make things up in order to promote an agenda.
Let's try some apolitical humor for once. Everything's so politicized
these days.
Be funny just for the sake of being funny. Don't try to change the
world with your comedy; it's not working anyway.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265840 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 21:54 |
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Republican Slogans:
We want what's worst for everyone
We're just plain evil
Democratic Slogans:
We hate life and ourselves
We can't govern
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265841 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 22:44 |
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Justin Pate schreef:
> Uhro wrote:
>> And you're probably a paranoid neoconservative. Why would I think so?
>> Well, you obviously don't understand satire or probably don't *want* to
>> understand it (or did you really think the makers of The Simpsons want
>> us to believe that there is some kind of whacking day?),
>
> They make things up in order to promote an agenda.
>
> Let's try some apolitical humor for once. Everything's so politicized
> these days.
>
> Be funny just for the sake of being funny. Don't try to change the
> world with your comedy; it's not working anyway.
Oh, I agree with you on that last point. But I like political humour
though.
You shouldn't take it so seriously anyway. Just that there may be a
political message in it, doesn't make it some kind of propaganda.
--
U
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265844 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 00:53 |
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Justin Pate wrote:
> Really, the Liberal writers
I got this far
<yawn>
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265845 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 00:57 |
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"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1147278828.023721.260340 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
> never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
> preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
>
> Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
> I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
> Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
>
Go back to the SCTV group and talk about how your life revolves around that
show, how TV isnt cheesy enough nowadays, and about how you have a crush on
Catherine O'Hara.
BTW, the plot of Whacking Day is based on the traditions of numerous small
American towns to have a festival to celebrate the beating of a species of
animal. Here in Pennsylvania a town called Higgens has a day each year
devoted to killing pigeons. I believe there actually is a Snake killing day
in Texas as well.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265847 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 01:26 |
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Once Upon A Time Justin Pate wrote:
>Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
>never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
>preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
>
>Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
>I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
>Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
Really?
**
Captain Infinity
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265850 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 02:12 |
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In article <bdu8g.8658$lb.784719 [at] news1.epix.net>,
"James Dulaney" <dul [at] epix.net> wrote:
> Go back to the SCTV group and talk about how your life revolves around that
> show, how TV isnt cheesy enough nowadays, and about how you have a crush on
> Catherine O'Hara.
hey now, I STILL have a crush on Catherine O'Hara. And her sister
Mary Margaret :)
--
Dan Dreibelbis, Guitar Nerd - Better Living Through Home Recording
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=121942
Current song - "Too Macho"
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265851 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 02:35 |
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"Uhro" <elpino [at] postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6bbc7$44624fce$55930ce9$20751 [at] news.concepts.nl...
> Justin Pate schreef:
> > Uhro wrote:
> >> And you're probably a paranoid neoconservative. Why would I think so?
> >> Well, you obviously don't understand satire or probably don't *want* to
> >> understand it (or did you really think the makers of The Simpsons want
> >> us to believe that there is some kind of whacking day?),
> >
> > They make things up in order to promote an agenda.
> >
> > Let's try some apolitical humor for once. Everything's so politicized
> > these days.
> >
> > Be funny just for the sake of being funny. Don't try to change the
> > world with your comedy; it's not working anyway.
>
> Oh, I agree with you on that last point. But I like political humour
> though.
> You shouldn't take it so seriously anyway. Just that there may be a
> political message in it,
There wasn't a message that needed to be told. And a comedy show that is
supposed to have universal appeal should not be hijacked as a vehicle for a
writer's personal opinion. It should be entertainment. Go start a blog if
you want your view heard.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265868 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 18:54 |
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Captain Infinity wrote:
> Once Upon A Time Justin Pate wrote:
>
> >Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
> >never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
> >preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
> >
> >Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
> >I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
> >Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
>
> Really?
>
>
> **
> Captain Infinity
My girlfriend and I celebrate "Whacking Day" all the time! In the back
seat of my Big Penis Car.
Aaron Space Museum
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265869 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 18:56 |
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No. I disagree. I actually find the constant use of malapropisms in
the show to be amusing and intellectually stimulating.
Aaron Space Museum
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265872 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 19:13 |
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> Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
> never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
> preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
Yeah but don't forget that the writers sort of excused the "stupidity" by
having Kent state that the holiday was called distasteful and puerile by a
panel of hillbillies. Not exactly flattering words.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265876 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 20:36 |
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Yeah, every hillbilly I know knows the meaning of the word "puerile".
Aaron Space Museum
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265879 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 21:01 |
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"Daniel Dreibelbis" <dreibelEAT [at] HOTsympaticoDEATH.caSPAMMERS> wrote in
message news:dreibelEAT-E03DE2.20123110052006 [at] news.bellglobal.com...
> In article <bdu8g.8658$lb.784719 [at] news1.epix.net>,
> "James Dulaney" <dul [at] epix.net> wrote:
>
>> Go back to the SCTV group and talk about how your life revolves around
>> that
>> show, how TV isnt cheesy enough nowadays, and about how you have a crush
>> on
>> Catherine O'Hara.
>
> hey now, I STILL have a crush on Catherine O'Hara. And her sister
> Mary Margaret :)
>
I think both of them are really hot too (I've even posted about it in
alt.tv.sctv) but Justin just got kinda ridiculous.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265886 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 02:16 |
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Once Upon A Time aaronhirshberg [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>Yeah, every hillbilly I know knows the meaning of the word "puerile".
Just how many hillbillies do you know?
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Captain Infinity
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Fr, 12 Mai 2006 02:41 |
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265889 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 09:00 |
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In alt.tv.simpsons on Fri, 12 May 2006, Captain Infinity wrote :
>Once Upon A Time aaronhirshberg [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Yeah, every hillbilly I know knows the meaning of the word "puerile".
>
>Just how many hillbillies do you know?
Isn't the classic answer : 'Just two - a man, his wife & his sister.'
:)
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265890 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 09:21 |
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Uhro wrote:
> Am I a liberal? Hell no, I'm European ;)
>
Do they still have fox-hunts in the UK? That pretty much IS whacking day.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265896 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 19:05 |
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aaronhirshberg [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Captain Infinity wrote:
>
>>Once Upon A Time Justin Pate wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
>>>never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
>>>preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
>>>
>>>Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
>>>I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
>>>Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
>>
>>Really?
>>
>>
>>**
>>Captain Infinity
>
>
> My girlfriend and I celebrate "Whacking Day" all the time! In the back
> seat of my Big Penis Car.
This from the guy who hasn't had a date in 2 years - does your
girlfriend have a fitting for an inflation needle?
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265900 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 21:31 |
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>Just how many hillbillies do you know?
I know several, but they prefer to be called son's of the soil.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265908 ] |
So, 14 Mai 2006 00:55 |
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Nevada-tan is Natsumi Tsuji schreef:
> Uhro wrote:
>
>> Am I a liberal? Hell no, I'm European ;)
>>
>
> Do they still have fox-hunts in the UK? That pretty much IS whacking day.
Don't know.. But I don't live in the UK, although my e-mailaddress says
different. I live on the other side of the North Sea, in The
Netherlands. Hunting has been forbidden a few years ago here.
--
U
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265910 ] |
So, 14 Mai 2006 05:56 |
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> Yeah, every hillbilly I know knows the meaning of the word "puerile".
>
> Aaron Space Museum
>
It's a CARTOON Aaron, it's not real.
Besides it doesn't really matter if hillbillies know the word, the point is
that the WRITERS know it and chose to use it in order to make THEIR point.
XINO
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So, 14 Mai 2006 06:09 |
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265923 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 03:48 |
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> Marge: Come on, Xino. Open the door for your mystery date.
> Xino: Ooh, the captain of the football team. He's a dreamboat. Don't wait
> up, Marge.
Butt out.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265924 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 03:54 |
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I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
XINO
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265935 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 16:08 |
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Xino Kiner wrote:
> I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
>
> XINO
I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
politically-charged show.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265938 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 03:53 |
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265946 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 15:27 |
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Lord Xenu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Xino Kiner wrote:
> >> I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
> >>
> >> XINO
> >
> > I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
> > politically-charged show.
> >
>
> Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
> stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
> out.
>
You asked for my opinion, and you should not be so rude in response.
If you didn't want to hear the truth, you shouldn't have asked the
question.
And go fuck yourself.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265947 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 15:31 |
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Lord Xenu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1147278828.023721.260340 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Really, the Liberal writers come up with stupid plotlines that would
> > never happen in real life like "Whacking Day" in order to justify their
> > preaching and by having Lisa Simpson save the day on every episode.
> >
> > Really, the day when there is an actual "Whacking Day" going on, then
> > I'll share Lisa's concern. Until then I am just going to assume the
> > Simpsons writing staff consists of nothing but paranoid liberals.
> >
>
> Hey, Justin, I am in posession of an amazing secret and I think you may be
> ready for it. I think that you will find it may greatly reduce the strain on
> your psyche caused by your exposure to ideals different than your own.
>
> Now, I don't want to freak you out but, here goes:
>
> It just a television show.
>
> Okay, you still with me? Come on now, stay with me. Focus!
>
> Like any other art form, high or low, it has a much or as little effect on
> you and your existence as you allow it.
Now if only you left wingers would respond in the same fashion to the
O'Reilly Factor....
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265948 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 15:33 |
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Lord Xenu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Xino Kiner wrote:
> >> I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
> >>
> >> XINO
> >
> > I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
> > politically-charged show.
> >
>
> Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
> stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
> out.
>
And btw, if you are saying that the show is "challenging my right-wing
beliefs", you are hereby conceding that the show has a left-wing bias.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265952 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 16:58 |
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Justin Pate wrote:
> Lord Xenu wrote:
>
>>X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Xino Kiner wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
>>>>
>>>>XINO
>>>
>>>I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
>>>politically-charged show.
>>>
>>
>>Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
>>stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
>>out.
>
> And btw, if you are saying that the show is "challenging my right-wing
> beliefs", you are hereby conceding that the show has a left-wing bias.
Not at all, Your Blind Stupidity, all it means is that the show didn't
conform to your rightwingnut view of the universe, thus, making it "left
wing" to your way of thinking; but that doesn't make something "left
wing" in real life.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265953 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 17:09 |
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Sparky Spartacus wrote:
> Justin Pate wrote:
>
> > Lord Xenu wrote:
> >
> >>X-No-Archive: Yes
> >>
> >>"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>>Xino Kiner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
> >>>>
> >>>>XINO
> >>>
> >>>I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
> >>>politically-charged show.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
> >>stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
> >>out.
> >
> > And btw, if you are saying that the show is "challenging my right-wing
> > beliefs", you are hereby conceding that the show has a left-wing bias.
>
> Not at all, Your Blind Stupidity, all it means is that the show didn't
> conform to your rightwingnut view of the universe, thus, making it "left
> wing" to your way of thinking; but that doesn't make something "left
> wing" in real life.
All right, I challenge you this: Find one right-winger that you know
and ask them if they like Lisa's preachiness and vegetarianism.
Since you are claiming that the show isn't left-wing, it's just that
I'm supposedly deluded somehow, right-wingers everywhere (with the
exception of me, of course) ought to love the Lisa character and think
that she's just peachy.
According to your point of view, that is.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265954 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 17:11 |
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Sparky Spartacus wrote:
> Justin Pate wrote:
>
> > Lord Xenu wrote:
> >
> >>X-No-Archive: Yes
> >>
> >>"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>>Xino Kiner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
> >>>>
> >>>>XINO
> >>>
> >>>I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
> >>>politically-charged show.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
> >>stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
> >>out.
> >
> > And btw, if you are saying that the show is "challenging my right-wing
> > beliefs", you are hereby conceding that the show has a left-wing bias.
>
> Not at all, Your Blind Stupidity, all it means is that the show didn't
> conform to your rightwingnut view of the universe, thus, making it "left
> wing" to your way of thinking; but that doesn't make something "left
> wing" in real life.
And also, I'd like to know what you think my view of the universe is,
since you're so presumptuous.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265956 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 18:31 |
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"Uhro" <elpino [at] postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7$446662f9$55930ce9$23291 [at] news.concepts.nl...
> Nevada-tan is Natsumi Tsuji schreef:
>> Uhro wrote:
>>
>>> Am I a liberal? Hell no, I'm European ;)
>>>
>>
>> Do they still have fox-hunts in the UK? That pretty much IS whacking
>> day.
>
> Don't know.. But I don't live in the UK, although my e-mailaddress says
> different. I live on the other side of the North Sea, in The
> Netherlands. Hunting has been forbidden a few years ago here.
All hunting is forbidden there? Why?
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265957 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 18:36 |
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"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1147278828.023721.260340 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Really, the Liberal writers
If you're a brainwashed neocon, the writers are obviously liberal leftists.
If you're a far-left wacko, the writers are blatantly staunch right-wing
conservatives.
When you express opinions, you're expressing yourself. You aren't actually
saying anything about the subject. But I have to agree with your point that
the show does get stupidly preachy at times.
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265958 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 19:06 |
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Justin Pate wrote:
> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>
>>Justin Pate wrote:
>>
>>>Lord Xenu wrote:
>>>
>>>>X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>
>>>>"Justin Pate" <JP51307 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1147702137.923814.199670 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Xino Kiner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to hear from Mr. Pate regarding tonight's episode. [2F16]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>XINO
>>>>>
>>>>>I turned it off as soon as I realized it was going to be another
>>>>>politically-charged show.
>>>>
>>>>Translation: It challeneged my right-nutter beliefs so I turned it off,
>>>>stuck my fingers in my ears and screamed La-la-la-la-la-la! until I passed
>>>>out.
>>>
>>>And btw, if you are saying that the show is "challenging my right-wing
>>>beliefs", you are hereby conceding that the show has a left-wing bias.
>>
>>Not at all, Your Blind Stupidity, all it means is that the show didn't
>>conform to your rightwingnut view of the universe, thus, making it "left
>>wing" to your way of thinking; but that doesn't make something "left
>>wing" in real life.
>
> All right, I challenge you this: Find one right-winger that you know
> and ask them if they like Lisa's preachiness and vegetarianism.
>
> Since you are claiming that the show isn't left-wing, it's just that
> I'm supposedly deluded somehow, right-wingers everywhere (with the
> exception of me, of course) ought to love the Lisa character and think
> that she's just peachy.
>
> According to your point of view, that is.
BZZZZZTTT! 2 back to back replies to the same post: TILT!
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Mi, 17 Mai 2006 02:51 |
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> "That Guy" <7 [at] f.com> wrote
> > Nevada-tan is Natsumi Tsuji schreef:
> > Don't know.. But I don't live in the UK, although my e-mailaddress says
> > different. I live on the other side of the North Sea, in The
> > Netherlands. Hunting has been forbidden a few years ago here.
> All hunting is forbidden there? Why?
If I lived in a country that was largely below sea level, surrounded by
dykes, I wouldn't want people firing guns all over the place either :-)
Paul
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| Re: When you think about it, the Simpsons really is stupid. [message #265970 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 03:40 |
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