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JKR & Connect the Dots [message #265407] Di, 16 Mai 2006 21:15
wadkin2000  
For those of us who like to swim in the sea of supposition and
speculation (I just love alliteration!) as well wade in the waters of
canon facts, I thought it would be interesting to try and determine
which dots (clues) JK has written so far that have proven or not proven
to be connected, some innocuous passage or line that, at the time, a
reader wouldn't have thought much of it, but upon reflection, goes,
"Aha!"

Randomly (I'm sure there are many more, but I just can't think of them
all right now) I would say that the COS(diary)/HBP(horcrux) would be an
example of "Connected Dots" (that one isn't innocuous, I know, but you
get my drift) as well as the SS(potions "bezoar uses" class) to
HBP(brewing antidotes in Slughorn's class) to HBP(Harry saving Ron w/a
bezoar).

Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).

A possible example of clues or dots not yet fully connected could be
the SS(Draught of the Living Death-one of Snape's first questions to
Harry in potions class) to HBP(Draught of the Living Death-first potion
Slughorn told the class to make) to (not fully connected yet) HBP(DD's
comment to Draco on the tower).

I also read somewhere that there could be a possible "connect the dots"
with Mimbulus mimbletonia because it was mentioned three times
throughout the series. There might also be others that were thought to
be clues but turned out to be nothing at all. As DD said, "Sometimes a
mouth organ is only a mouth organ."

LOL...As I was writing this, I thought of the "Six Degrees of Kevin
Bacon" game!

Cassie
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #265417 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:36
DM  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> For those of us who like to swim in the sea of supposition and
> speculation (I just love alliteration!) as well wade in the waters of
> canon facts, I thought it would be interesting to try and determine
> which dots (clues) JK has written so far that have proven or not proven
> to be connected, some innocuous passage or line that, at the time, a
> reader wouldn't have thought much of it, but upon reflection, goes,
> "Aha!"
>
> Randomly (I'm sure there are many more, but I just can't think of them
> all right now) I would say that the COS(diary)/HBP(horcrux) would be an
> example of "Connected Dots" (that one isn't innocuous, I know, but you
> get my drift) as well as the SS(potions "bezoar uses" class) to
> HBP(brewing antidotes in Slughorn's class) to HBP(Harry saving Ron w/a
> bezoar).
>
> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>
> A possible example of clues or dots not yet fully connected could be
> the SS(Draught of the Living Death-one of Snape's first questions to
> Harry in potions class) to HBP(Draught of the Living Death-first potion
> Slughorn told the class to make) to (not fully connected yet) HBP(DD's
> comment to Draco on the tower).
>
> I also read somewhere that there could be a possible "connect the dots"
> with Mimbulus mimbletonia because it was mentioned three times
> throughout the series. There might also be others that were thought to
> be clues but turned out to be nothing at all. As DD said, "Sometimes a
> mouth organ is only a mouth organ."
>
> LOL...As I was writing this, I thought of the "Six Degrees of Kevin
> Bacon" game!
>
> Cassie
>

Didn't Snape say something about a "stopper death" potion? I think
that's a dot to connect.

Hey! Can anyone make this connection from GoF?

Hagrid: "Great man, Dumbledore. 'S long as we've got him, I'm not too
worried."

DOH!

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Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #265425 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 05:35
Steve Morrison  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

(snip)

> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).

It's perhaps worth noting that all three of the items which Harry
saw at Borgin and Burkes in CoS -- the cursed necklace, the Hand
of Glory, and the vanishing cabinet where he hid -- were used by
Draco in HBP to try to kill Dumbledore.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267638 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:15
Toon  
On 16 May 2006 12:15:28 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>A possible example of clues or dots not yet fully connected could be
>the SS(Draught of the Living Death-one of Snape's first questions to
>Harry in potions class) to HBP(Draught of the Living Death-first potion
>Slughorn told the class to make) to (not fully connected yet) HBP(DD's
>comment to Draco on the tower).

Until Slughorn's class, I just thought that was a proof of concept to
show what wizards can do (and not juts with wands), not a red flag
that a major clue was revealed.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267639 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:17
Toon  
On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:36:23 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:

>wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> For those of us who like to swim in the sea of supposition and
>> speculation (I just love alliteration!) as well wade in the waters of
>> canon facts, I thought it would be interesting to try and determine
>> which dots (clues) JK has written so far that have proven or not proven
>> to be connected, some innocuous passage or line that, at the time, a
>> reader wouldn't have thought much of it, but upon reflection, goes,
>> "Aha!"
>>
>> Randomly (I'm sure there are many more, but I just can't think of them
>> all right now) I would say that the COS(diary)/HBP(horcrux) would be an
>> example of "Connected Dots" (that one isn't innocuous, I know, but you
>> get my drift) as well as the SS(potions "bezoar uses" class) to
>> HBP(brewing antidotes in Slughorn's class) to HBP(Harry saving Ron w/a
>> bezoar).
>>
>> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
>> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
>> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
>> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>>
>> A possible example of clues or dots not yet fully connected could be
>> the SS(Draught of the Living Death-one of Snape's first questions to
>> Harry in potions class) to HBP(Draught of the Living Death-first potion
>> Slughorn told the class to make) to (not fully connected yet) HBP(DD's
>> comment to Draco on the tower).
>>
>> I also read somewhere that there could be a possible "connect the dots"
>> with Mimbulus mimbletonia because it was mentioned three times
>> throughout the series. There might also be others that were thought to
>> be clues but turned out to be nothing at all. As DD said, "Sometimes a
>> mouth organ is only a mouth organ."
>>
>> LOL...As I was writing this, I thought of the "Six Degrees of Kevin
>> Bacon" game!
>>
>> Cassie
>>
>
>Didn't Snape say something about a "stopper death" potion? I think
>that's a dot to connect.
>
>Hey! Can anyone make this connection from GoF?
>
>Hagrid: "Great man, Dumbledore. 'S long as we've got him, I'm not too
>worried."
>
>DOH!

And as long as people are faithful to him, he'll never truly leave
Hogwarts. Now we see everybody's true loyalties.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267640 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:18
Toon  
On 16 May 2006 20:45:10 -0700, "Steve Morrison" <Geirroeth [at] aol.com>
wrote:

>wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
>> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
>> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
>> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>
>It's perhaps worth noting that all three of the items which Harry
>saw at Borgin and Burkes in CoS -- the cursed necklace, the Hand
>of Glory, and the vanishing cabinet where he hid -- were used by
>Draco in HBP to try to kill Dumbledore.

What of Harry broke the Cabinte on his end? Had he not, Monague would
have just been stuck in one cabinet, and Draco would never get his
idea.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267656 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 16:16
wadkin2000  
Toon wrote:
> On 16 May 2006 20:45:10 -0700, "Steve Morrison" <Geirroeth [at] aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> >> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> >> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> >> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
> >
> >It's perhaps worth noting that all three of the items which Harry
> >saw at Borgin and Burkes in CoS -- the cursed necklace, the Hand
> >of Glory, and the vanishing cabinet where he hid -- were used by
> >Draco in HBP to try to kill Dumbledore.
>
> What of Harry broke the Cabinte on his end? Had he not, Monague would
> have just been stuck in one cabinet, and Draco would never get his
> idea.


I really do find it intriguing after reading six books, that there are
these little "forshadowings" throughout the series.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267679 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 23:06
karnak17  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).

Also CoS "Deathday Party". Peeves and Nick wreck the vanishing cabinet
in order to get Harry out of detention with Filch. It is described as
a "large black and gold cabinet", compared to the "large black cabinet"
Harry hides in at B&B earlier.

Good thread idea. But it requires some thinking . . . .
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #267690 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 01:22
wadkin2000  
Karnak17 wrote:
> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> > from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> > vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> > allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>
> Also CoS "Deathday Party". Peeves and Nick wreck the vanishing cabinet
> in order to get Harry out of detention with Filch. It is described as
> a "large black and gold cabinet", compared to the "large black cabinet"
> Harry hides in at B&B earlier.
>
> Good thread idea. But it requires some thinking .


LOL....I know! I started it because for some exceedingly strange
reason I was glancing through all the books and one thing led to
another, and I thought it would be interesting for all of us to
possibly conjure connections to random facts that have already
occurred, as well as possibly coming up with some that might play out
in book seven.
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #269605 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 09:54
Toon  
On 17 May 2006 14:06:46 -0700, "Karnak17" <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote:

>
>wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
>> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
>> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
>> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>
>Also CoS "Deathday Party". Peeves and Nick wreck the vanishing cabinet
>in order to get Harry out of detention with Filch. It is described as
>a "large black and gold cabinet", compared to the "large black cabinet"
>Harry hides in at B&B earlier.
>
>Good thread idea. But it requires some thinking . . . .

B&B repainted it to sell to the Dark Crowd?
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #269632 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 15:37
Magic_mom  
Toon wrote:
> On 17 May 2006 14:06:46 -0700, "Karnak17" <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
> >> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
> >> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
> >> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
> >
> >Also CoS "Deathday Party". Peeves and Nick wreck the vanishing cabinet
> >in order to get Harry out of detention with Filch. It is described as
> >a "large black and gold cabinet", compared to the "large black cabinet"
> >Harry hides in at B&B earlier.
> >
> >Good thread idea. But it requires some thinking . . . .
>
> B&B repainted it to sell to the Dark Crowd?

Or some other owner. It wouldn't have to be B&B. Old furniture is often
repainted or refinished in some manner. I doubt the paint job on the
outside would affect the magical properties of it!

M_m
Re: JKR & Connect the Dots [message #269722 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 09:48
Toon  
On 18 May 2006 06:37:05 -0700, "Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Toon wrote:
>> On 17 May 2006 14:06:46 -0700, "Karnak17" <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Another one would be the COS(vanishing cabinet in B&B that Harry hid in
>> >> from Lucius and Draco) to OOTP(Fred & George shoving Monague in the
>> >> vanishing cabinet) to HBP(Draco in B&B and using the two cabinets to
>> >> allow the death eaters entry into Hogwarts).
>> >
>> >Also CoS "Deathday Party". Peeves and Nick wreck the vanishing cabinet
>> >in order to get Harry out of detention with Filch. It is described as
>> >a "large black and gold cabinet", compared to the "large black cabinet"
>> >Harry hides in at B&B earlier.
>> >
>> >Good thread idea. But it requires some thinking . . . .
>>
>> B&B repainted it to sell to the Dark Crowd?
>
>Or some other owner. It wouldn't have to be B&B. Old furniture is often
>repainted or refinished in some manner. I doubt the paint job on the
>outside would affect the magical properties of it!
>
>M_m

But if it's lead based paint, might it block transportation like
X-Rays? Could the lead have been throwing the "wormhole" off? Could
Draco's repair mostly have been to scrap off every last bit of paint,
and he was trying to find a short cut (guess the Philosopher's Stone
would have been handy)?
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