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Shouldn't they be called [message #265367]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 04:31

John VanSickle

"Lady of the evening" cruxes?

Regards,
John

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265376 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 07:31

lord trousers

John VanSickle wrote:
> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?

"Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.

- lord trousers

--
Stop being an illiterate Philistine:
http://mr-writing-person.blogspot.com

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265380 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 06:48

Toon

On Tue, 16 May 2006 02:31:19 GMT, John VanSickle
<evilsnack [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>
>Regards,
>John

Oldest Profession cruxes?

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265391 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:03

dsueme

John VanSickle wrote:
> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?

The next time picking your nose gets boring you could try pulling out
your eyelashes with a pair of tweezers.

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265394 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 11:32

Deevo

"John VanSickle" <evilsnack [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:XPaag.2896$y4.1953 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?

That was bad, worth a groan at least. :)
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265395 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 11:37

Deevo

"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1147766607.276860.73530 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> John VanSickle wrote:
>> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>
> The next time picking your nose gets boring you could try pulling out
> your eyelashes with a pair of tweezers.

Oh dear, someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. Never mind,
it'll improve.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265406 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 09:23

Fish Eye no Miko

lord trousers wrote:

> John VanSickle wrote:
>
>> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>
> "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.

Concubine-cruxes?

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"I'm the impish officer of death."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265408 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 21:49

aaron

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> lord trousers wrote:
>
> > John VanSickle wrote:
> >
> >> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
> >
> > "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.
>
> Concubine-cruxes?

Escort-cruxes?

Call-girl-cruxes?

Prostitute-cruxes?

....

Slutcruxes?

Yeah. I like the sound of that one.

-Aaron

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265409 ]

Di, 16 Mai 2006 22:13

cwlNO

In article <1147808975.804320.166430 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:

>Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>> lord trousers wrote:
>>
>> > John VanSickle wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>> >
>> > "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.
>>
>> Concubine-cruxes?
>
>Escort-cruxes?
>
>Call-girl-cruxes?
>
>Prostitute-cruxes?
>
>...
>
>Slutcruxes?

Strolling-hostess-cruxes? (Dick Cavett)
--
Chris

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265412 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 00:46

Fish Eye no Miko

Aaron wrote:

> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>> lord trousers wrote:
>>> John VanSickle wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>>>
>>> "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.
>>
>> Concubine-cruxes?
>
> Escort-cruxes?
> Call-girl-cruxes?
> Prostitute-cruxes?

Oh, c'mon, everyone else only did one! Save some for other people!
<and since I'm saying this after I did one, you it's not me being upset you
took my idea or something>

> ...
> Slutcruxes?
> Yeah. I like the sound of that one.

Eh... slut /= whore. Sluts give is away for free.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265414 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:03

Brenda Krause

"Green-Eyed Chris" wrote:
> "Aaron" wrote:
>>Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>>> lord trousers wrote:
>>> > John VanSickle wrote:

>>> >> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
>>> > "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.
>>> Concubine-cruxes?
>>Escort-cruxes?
>>Call-girl-cruxes?
>>Prostitute-cruxes?
>>Slutcruxes?
> Strolling-hostess-cruxes? (Dick Cavett)

Harlot-cruxes?

BK

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265415 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:06

sjmcarter

Bringing a more youthful, urban perspective:

skank-crux
trick-crux
fallatious woman-cux (Dave Chappelle)

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265423 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 05:10

Fish Eye no Miko

sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:

> Bringing a more youthful, urban perspective:
>
> fallatious woman-cux (Dave Chappelle)

"Fallatious"? Do you mean fallacious? Which means fake. That makes no
sense.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"Damn it, there's so many idiots whose asses I have to kick! I'll have to
start carrying a list just to keep track of them all!"
-Edward Elric, _FullMetal Alchemist_.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #265427 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 05:35

sjmcarter

No, I meant "fellatious". It's a Dave Chappelle joke; he held a mock
game show entitled "I Know Black People" which asked various people the
definition of slang terms. One was a slang term for a woman
of....questionable morals....and the reply by the "contestant" was "a
woman who performs fellatio", to which Chappelle replies, "yes, a
fellatious woman". Long boring explanation that doesn't nearly do the
skit justice. Yeah, I so killed that joke :-/

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267630 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 09:32

dsueme

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Bringing a more youthful, urban perspective:
> >
> > fallatious woman-cux (Dave Chappelle)
>
> "Fallatious"? Do you mean fallacious? Which means fake. That makes no
> sense.

I agree. It just sucks!

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267631 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 09:36

dsueme

sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> No, I meant "fellatious".

How pedestrian. Couldn't you keep the autistic girl guessing through
one more day's cycle?

Sorry Tim - have some duck with mango salsa.

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267646 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 12:28

Deevo

"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1147851132.581254.122080 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Bringing a more youthful, urban perspective:
>> >
>> > fallatious woman-cux (Dave Chappelle)
>>
>> "Fallatious"? Do you mean fallacious? Which means fake. That makes no
>> sense.
>
> I agree. It just sucks!

I thought they charged extra for that.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267648 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 12:55

Eric Bohlman

"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in news:1147851370.652024.100590
[at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> No, I meant "fellatious".
>
> How pedestrian. Couldn't you keep the autistic girl guessing through
> one more day's cycle?
>
> Sorry Tim - have some duck with mango salsa.

Could I have some of what you're smoking?

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267655 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 15:33

aaron

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>
> > Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> >> lord trousers wrote:
> >>> John VanSickle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Lady of the evening" cruxes?
> >>>
> >>> "Scarlet women" cruxes, surely.
> >>
> >> Concubine-cruxes?
> >
> > Escort-cruxes?
> > Call-girl-cruxes?
> > Prostitute-cruxes?
>
> Oh, c'mon, everyone else only did one! Save some for other people!
> <and since I'm saying this after I did one, you it's not me being upset you
> took my idea or something>

I was just taking the bad ones!

Besides, there's only so many of us immature folks here. We can each
take more than one! ;)

How about some ebonics, now?

Hocruxes.

> > ...
> > Slutcruxes?
> > Yeah. I like the sound of that one.
>
> Eh... slut /= whore. Sluts give is away for free.

I disagree. Technically, by denotation you are correct.
However,"whore," in a frequently used connotation, is synonomous with
"slut."

> Catherine Johnson.

-Aaron

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267658 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 16:25

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-16 23:10:02 -0400, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> said:

> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bringing a more youthful, urban perspective:
>>
>> fallatious woman-cux (Dave Chappelle)
>
> "Fallatious"? Do you mean fallacious? Which means fake. That makes no sense.
>
> Catherine Johnson.

Sallacious?

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267668 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 19:59

Fish Eye no Miko

Eric Bohlman wrote:

> "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>> No, I meant "fellatious".
>>
>> How pedestrian. Couldn't you keep the autistic girl guessing
>> through one more day's cycle?
>
> Could I have some of what you're smoking?

The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring to me as
"autistic", when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
actually smarter than most.

Catherine Johnson.
--
"Damn it, there's so many idiots whose asses I have to kick! I'll have to
start carrying a list just to keep track of them all!"
-Edward Elric, _FullMetal Alchemist_.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267670 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 19:56

aaron

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> Eric Bohlman wrote:
>
> > "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> >>> No, I meant "fellatious".
> >>
> >> How pedestrian. Couldn't you keep the autistic girl guessing
> >> through one more day's cycle?
> >
> > Could I have some of what you're smoking?
>
> The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring to me as
> "autistic", when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
> actually smarter than most.

I am amused by most of Dave's insults to others' intelligence.

> Catherine Johnson

-Aaron

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267673 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 20:55

David

Aaron wrote:

> Hocruxes.

Be-otchcruxes?

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267675 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 21:25

Brian

Catherine Johnson wrote:
> The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring to me as
> "autistic", when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
> actually smarter than most.

I disagree, actually--and I do know whereof I speak--but they do have
an almost limitless variety of interesting faculties. HFA* patients do
often have memories far above average, and I've found, in interacting
with professionals, that spectacular memory is often taken (mistaken,
perhaps) for high intelligence.

So I think he is insulting you, but he's doing so with about as much
basis as he would have for calling you a Dirty Old Man.

*HFA = High-Functioning Autism, in case that's opaque to anyone. My
own impression is that it's qualitatively different from other forms of
autism, but since no one really has a good etiology for these things,
we can't say for sure.

--
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Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267687 ]

Mi, 17 Mai 2006 22:39

Fish Eye no Miko

Brian Tung wrote:

> Catherine Johnson wrote:
>
>> The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring
>> to me as "autistic", when the fact of the matter is that most
>> autistic people are actually smarter than most.
>
> I disagree, actually--and I do know whereof I speak--but they
> do have an almost limitless variety of interesting faculties. HFA*
> patients do often have memories far above average, and I've
> found, in interacting with professionals, that spectacular memory
> is often taken (mistaken, perhaps) for high intelligence.

Hmm.. Ok.

> *HFA = High-Functioning Autism,

Like Asperger's?

> in case that's opaque to anyone. My own impression is that
> it's qualitatively different from other forms of autism, but since
> no one really has a good etiology for these things, we can't say
> for sure.

Ok.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"At least some oboe player got a paycheck out of all this horse hockey..."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #267691 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 01:23

Brian

Catherine Johnson wrote:
> > *HFA = High-Functioning Autism,
>
> Like Asperger's?

It is very much like Asperger's. In fact, in part due to the lack of
a consensus on even the symptoms of autism, some people contend that
there is no clear-cut difference between Asperger's and HFA. Not
everyone agrees with that--for instance, DSM IV (and now V, I believe,
but I'm not sure) indicates that Asperger's patients must have normal
language development. Other diagnostic manuals say they may have some
language deficits (though they are generally thought to be less intense
than in autistic patients).

Incidentally, although it is widely supposed that autism is on the
rise, a recent study (NIH?) suggests that it is largely a matter of
changing diagnosis, and that most if not all of the recent increase
can be traced back to children who were diagnosed as being mentally
retarded two decades ago, but who would be diagnosed as autistic today.
You can draw your own conclusions.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269593 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 06:28

Eric Bohlman

brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote in news:e4gba4$t48$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu:

> Incidentally, although it is widely supposed that autism is on the
> rise, a recent study (NIH?) suggests that it is largely a matter of
> changing diagnosis, and that most if not all of the recent increase
> can be traced back to children who were diagnosed as being mentally
> retarded two decades ago, but who would be diagnosed as autistic today.
> You can draw your own conclusions.

Diagnostic substitution accounts for part, but not all, of the increase
in diagnoses. What you describe would occur on the "low-functioning" end
of the spectrum. At the other end, kids who wouldn't previously have
been considered to have *medical* issues are now being diagnosed;
previously they'd have been thought to have emotional problems or to be
just "weird." Part of the impetus in the US is that the Individuals with
Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) was substantially strengthened in the
early 1990s, requiring schools to be more proactive in looking for
medical reasons why students were having trouble with the educations.
Until 1992, autism wasn't listed as a category of its own for
establishing eligibility for special education services; the "higher-
functioning" kids were either ignored or shoehorned into Learning
Disabilities (which means something quite a bit different in the US than
in the UK), Seriously Emotionally Disturbed, or Other Health Impairment.
And one of the implications of that was that states weren't required to
report the number of educational assessments of autism to the federal
government until 1993. When you hear "there were no autistic kids in
<state> in 1990 and now there are hundreds," you're hearing someone
confusing the *administrative prevalence* of autism with the *actual
prevalence*, and you're also hearing them confusing *educational
assessments* of autism with *medical diagnoses* of autism; the two don't
necessarily use the same criteria.

Furthermore, when you hear that the prevalence of autism has jumped from
something like 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 166, you're hearing an apples-and-
oranges comparison. The older figure was only for Autistic Disorder
("Kanner's Autism") under the DSM-IIIR criteria, which were much more
restrictive than the current DSM-IVR criteria, whereas the newer figure
is for all Pervasive Developmental Disorders, which includes not only
Autistic Disorder but also Asperger's Disorder (which probably reflects
only the extreme end of Asperger's Syndrome) and Pervasive Developmental
Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS), both of which are much more
common than Autistic Disorder.

I believe the study you're referring to was _The Contribution of
Diagnostic Substitution to the Growing Administrative Prevalence of
Autism in US Special Education._
( http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/1 17/4/1028)
by Paul Shattuck (an American researcher, not to be confused with the
UK's Paul Shattock). There's an aggregator, http://autism-hub.co.uk
,that links to and gathers feeds from various blogs that discuss autism
research; from there you can find citations to the most recent research.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269594 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 06:32

Brian

Eric Bohlman wrote:
> Diagnostic substitution accounts for part, but not all, of the increase
> in diagnoses. What you describe would occur on the "low-functioning" end
> of the spectrum.

I'm not specifically disputing you. I'm by no means an expert in the
area (though I have plenty of interaction with autistic children), but
there *was* an article that specifically attributed nearly all of the
increase to changes in diagnosis. I'm not surprised to hear that that
finding is in dispute.

> I believe the study you're referring to was _The Contribution of
> Diagnostic Substitution to the Growing Administrative Prevalence of
> Autism in US Special Education._

I'm not sure if that's the one; I'd have to take a look at it. Thanks
for the cite.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
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Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269608 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 10:07

dsueme

Aaron wrote:

> How about some ebonics, now?
>
> Hocruxes.

Perhaps you aren't worthless after all. Have you ever heard the
"Ebonics Language Lesson" by Monty Python? It's hilarious.

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269609 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 10:38

dsueme

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring to me as
> "autistic",

Actually, the ironic thing is that you think I am referring to you. I
forgot about you immediately.

Several years ago I inadvertently insulted a newsgroup participant in
another group. We had a brief exchange of e-mails, I offered an
apology and then the "line went dead" - no responses to further
e-mails, no follow-ups to my posts following up on his posts -
absolutely no willingness to acknowledge my existence.

If his writings in the other newsgroup can be believed (and I think he
may be believed) then this poster has a variation of autism called
"Asberger's Syndrome". And his utter and sudden withdrawal (there
wasn't even a "screw off and leave me alone" missive" is consistent
with my observations of autistic persons when I had a part-time job in
an intermediate care facility. They are often (usually) inexplicably
remote. It's something you really have to observe - I could try to
describe it for a week and you wouldn't believe what I said.

Nevertheless, I haven't given up entirely. Every once in a while I
leave a little piece of "bread crust" lying on the ground hoping to
"fish" a response (awful mixed metaphor!) Obviously you mistook one of
these attempts to reestablish communication with a lost "friend" as
having to do with you. Sorry - my bad. You were just a tool in an
important purpose.

when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
> actually smarter than most.

That's not really true. My "lost friend" understands the concepts of
puns and word-play more generally. The puns he offers are sometimes so
very bad... - but this doesn't make him a bad person. It also doesn't
make him William Shakespeare.

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269610 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 10:44

dsueme

Brian Tung wrote:

> *HFA = High-Functioning Autism, in case that's opaque to anyone. My
> own impression is that it's qualitatively different from other forms of
> autism, but since no one really has a good etiology for these things,
> we can't say for sure.

It's almost impossible to know since autistics tend to be so
non-communicative.

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269611 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 10:49

dsueme

Brian Tung wrote:

> It is very much like Asperger's. In fact, in part due to the lack of
> a consensus on even the symptoms of autism, some people contend that
> there is no clear-cut difference between Asperger's and HFA. Not
> everyone agrees with that--for instance, DSM IV (and now V, I believe,
> but I'm not sure) indicates that Asperger's patients must have normal
> language development. Other diagnostic manuals say they may have some
> language deficits (though they are generally thought to be less intense
> than in autistic patients).
>
> Incidentally, although it is widely supposed that autism is on the
> rise, a recent study (NIH?) suggests that it is largely a matter of
> changing diagnosis, and that most if not all of the recent increase
> can be traced back to children who were diagnosed as being mentally
> retarded two decades ago, but who would be diagnosed as autistic today.
> You can draw your own conclusions.

A conclusion that I drew 30 years ago is that the DSM's really reflect
a spinal column made of latex on the part of the psychiatric
"profession".

Dave

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269629 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 15:01

aaron

David Sueme wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>
> > How about some ebonics, now?
> >
> > Hocruxes.
>
> Perhaps you aren't worthless after all.

Perhaps you are more despicable than I imagined.

> Have you ever heard the
> "Ebonics Language Lesson" by Monty Python? It's hilarious.

No. Is it better than the scene from Airplane? It probably is, but then
again I had to wonder what the Brits would know about ebonics, back
when MP wasn't confined to reruns.

> Dave

-Aaron

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269650 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 18:29

Brian

David Sueme wrote:
> It's almost impossible to know since autistics tend to be so
> non-communicative.

HFA's are not generally that uncommunicative. That is one reason why
my subjective impression is that they are different disorders (with
different etiologies). I think it is possible to figure out, but we
haven't done so yet.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
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Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269653 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 18:31

Brian

David Sueme wrote:
> A conclusion that I drew 30 years ago is that the DSM's really reflect
> a spinal column made of latex on the part of the psychiatric
> "profession".

Maybe. I don't think it's individual flexibility--more that there are
trends and fashions in psychology, as there are in most sciences, soft
or hard. The difference is that it's much harder to reject a specific
example of flexibility in psychology than it is in, say, physics, so
it's easier for that flexibility to get recorded in, e.g., DSM.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
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My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269661 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 19:21

Onyx Alpha

Brian Tung wrote:
> Catherine Johnson wrote:
> > > *HFA = High-Functioning Autism,
> >
> > Like Asperger's?
>
> It is very much like Asperger's. In fact, in part due to the lack of
> a consensus on even the symptoms of autism, some people contend that
> there is no clear-cut difference between Asperger's and HFA. Not
> everyone agrees with that--for instance, DSM IV (and now V, I believe,
> but I'm not sure) indicates that Asperger's patients must have normal
> language development. Other diagnostic manuals say they may have some
> language deficits (though they are generally thought to be less intense
> than in autistic patients).
>
> Incidentally, although it is widely supposed that autism is on the
> rise, a recent study (NIH?) suggests that it is largely a matter of
> changing diagnosis, and that most if not all of the recent increase
> can be traced back to children who were diagnosed as being mentally
> retarded two decades ago, but who would be diagnosed as autistic today.
> You can draw your own conclusions.
>
> --
> Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
> The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
> Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
> The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
> My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html

I have Asperger's. It's not actually HFA, it's even more high
functioning to the point of mostly just social problems. I go to an
alternative school which has a class for only people with Asperger's
and Autism. The biggest problem for all of them is social. Some of them
have social problems to the point that if someone they don't know at
tries talking to them they will lash out. Another of the biggest
differences between a normal person and an Asperger's case is they
think very differently than a normal person. Everyone I know with
Asperger's has certain "rituals" they go through when doing different
things. Like me for instance I always go to bed at the same time and
always wake up at the same time, if I don't then I get really stressed
out.

I have to go to class now but I will continue this post later.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269662 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 19:34

Onyx Alpha

David Sueme wrote:
> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
> > The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring to me as
> > "autistic",
>
> Actually, the ironic thing is that you think I am referring to you. I
> forgot about you immediately.
>
> Several years ago I inadvertently insulted a newsgroup participant in
> another group. We had a brief exchange of e-mails, I offered an
> apology and then the "line went dead" - no responses to further
> e-mails, no follow-ups to my posts following up on his posts -
> absolutely no willingness to acknowledge my existence.
>
> If his writings in the other newsgroup can be believed (and I think he
> may be believed) then this poster has a variation of autism called
> "Asberger's Syndrome". And his utter and sudden withdrawal (there
> wasn't even a "screw off and leave me alone" missive" is consistent
> with my observations of autistic persons when I had a part-time job in
> an intermediate care facility. They are often (usually) inexplicably
> remote. It's something you really have to observe - I could try to
> describe it for a week and you wouldn't believe what I said.
>
> Nevertheless, I haven't given up entirely. Every once in a while I
> leave a little piece of "bread crust" lying on the ground hoping to
> "fish" a response (awful mixed metaphor!) Obviously you mistook one of
> these attempts to reestablish communication with a lost "friend" as
> having to do with you. Sorry - my bad. You were just a tool in an
> important purpose.
>
> when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
> > actually smarter than most.
>
> That's not really true. My "lost friend" understands the concepts of
> puns and word-play more generally. The puns he offers are sometimes so
> very bad... - but this doesn't make him a bad person. It also doesn't
> make him William Shakespeare.
>
> Dave

I have Aspreger's and I might be able to help you understand why he
just stopped replying. I know that when I am insulted by someone I
might confront them about it and if they don't apologize right away
then I will typically act as if they didn't exist. And as to Asperger's
people not being smarter than most, most Asperger's patients have an
average IQ that is at least 5 points higher than an average person.

E-mail me if you have any other questions.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269663 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 19:35

Onyx Alpha

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269665 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 19:56

Onyx Alpha

Brian Tung wrote:
> Catherine Johnson wrote:
> > > *HFA = High-Functioning Autism,
> >
> > Like Asperger's?
>
> It is very much like Asperger's. In fact, in part due to the lack of
> a consensus on even the symptoms of autism, some people contend that
> there is no clear-cut difference between Asperger's and HFA. Not
> everyone agrees with that--for instance, DSM IV (and now V, I believe,
> but I'm not sure) indicates that Asperger's patients must have normal
> language development. Other diagnostic manuals say they may have some
> language deficits (though they are generally thought to be less intense
> than in autistic patients).
>
> Incidentally, although it is widely supposed that autism is on the
> rise, a recent study (NIH?) suggests that it is largely a matter of
> changing diagnosis, and that most if not all of the recent increase
> can be traced back to children who were diagnosed as being mentally
> retarded two decades ago, but who would be diagnosed as autistic today.
> You can draw your own conclusions.
>
> --
> Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
> The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
> Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
> The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
> My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html

Most of the people with Asperger's I know do have trouble with
speaking sometimes, some have lisps and others are unable to say
exactly what they mean because they can't think of the word they want
to say. I always forget the words I'm trying to say and it is really
very frustrating.

Re: Shouldn't they be called [message #269667 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:39

Fish Eye no Miko

David Sueme wrote:

> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>>
>> The ironic thing is, David thinks he's insulting me by referring
>> to me as "autistic",
>>
> Actually, the ironic thing is that you think I am referring to
> you. I forgot about you immediately.
> Several years ago I inadvertently insulted a newsgroup participant
> in another group. We had a brief exchange of e-mails, I offered
> an apology and then the "line went dead" - no responses to further
> e-mails, no follow-ups to my posts following up on his posts -
> absolutely no willingness to acknowledge my existence.
<snip>
> Nevertheless, I haven't given up entirely. Every once in a while I
> leave a little piece of "bread crust" lying on the ground hoping to
> "fish" a response (awful mixed metaphor!) Obviously you mistook
> one of these attempts to reestablish communication with a lost
> "friend" as having to do with you.

Right... Which is why, while referring to your friend as he, you used the
term "girl"...
You're full of shit, David.

>> when the fact of the matter is that most autistic people are
> > actually smarter than most.
>
> That's not really true. My "lost friend" understands the concepts of
> puns and word-play more generally. The puns he offers are sometimes
> so very bad... - but this doesn't make him a bad person. It also doesn't
> make him William Shakespeare.

One personal anecdote /= proof.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"New teeth... that's weird..."
-The Doctor, right after his 9th regeneration, _Doctor Who_.

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