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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Harry Horcrux Twist
| Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265196] |
Sa, 13 Mai 2006 06:58 |
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As you might have read, some wonder if Harrys is a Horcrux, he'll
remove V'S Soul Bit and put it someplace else to destroy it. But what
if it's not Harry who does it?
What if when V possessed Harry at the MOM, he detected his Soul Bit?
His taunting of DD to kill him was to get DD to lower his guard,
unable to kill Harry, so V, threw Harry, could kill him. Then he
takes total control of Harry. But Harry's love kicked him out. So,
now he's seen Harry will die if he has to, so he wants his Soul Bit
out, before Harry destroys himself. He naturally orders his DE's to
leave Harry alone so they don't kill him, destroying his Horcrux side.
He orders Draco to kill DD to either eliminate Draco in failure, but
has Bellatrix trick Snape into taking the UV to finish DD off. So he
can now abduct Harry for Soul Bit removal. He succeeds, but as he's
transferring the Soul Bit, Harry frees himself and manages to get the
Soul Bit back into V.
Now comes into play the theory Harry has somehow purified the Soul Bit
with his love. He has, and that love cured Soul Bit kills V from
within. Voldemort has actually killed himself over 16 years, do to
his fear of death. The prophecy does say other, and V knows the
prophecy says Harry's supposed to kill him (most equate vanquish with
killing). So instead, it's the other of the Prophecy. Or, only Harry
can kill himself, and only Voldemort can kill himself. OK, bit of a
stretch for other. But, Harry doesn't have to worry about killing,
because he indirectly caused it by reinserting V's Soul Bit, knowingly
purified. he could always have tried reasoning with him, making him
see he's vulnerable now, and only a truce can guarantee him a long
life.
Love still wins, but not LIly's love, but Harry's love for his
friends, family, etc. 6 years exposed to that love, and it changed
the very nature of the Soul Bit.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265299 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 08:51 |
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good theory.
it'll be interesting to read what other people say about this.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265335 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 16:56 |
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Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> good theory.
> it'll be interesting to read what other people say about this.
First of all, Harry is NOT a horcrux. Period. You cannot accidentally
make a Horcrux. And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
rebound, which is ludicrous).
But IF Harry were a Horcrux, it's very obvious Voldemort DOESN"T know.
He still is trying to kill Harry, and we know that he is so terrified
of death that he wants to keep his horcruxes intact.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265354 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 22:46 |
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tbarry22 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> > good theory.
> > it'll be interesting to read what other people say about this.
>
> First of all, Harry is NOT a horcrux. Period.
you don't know that
> You cannot accidentally
> make a Horcrux.
but you can make something a horcrux accidentally when you actually
intended to make something else a horcrux. there are many examples of
spells being misdirected in the books.
> And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
> struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
> you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
> AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
> rebound, which is ludicrous).
Nope i just think it is possible for the most powerful dark wizard to
cast spells in a split second.
> But IF Harry were a Horcrux, it's very obvious Voldemort DOESN"T know.
or he didn't until the night Nagini attacked Arthur and he felt harry's
presence in his head.
> He still is trying to kill Harry, and we know that he is so terrified
> of death that he wants to keep his horcruxes intact.
So, why wouldn't LV try to kill the only person prophecised to be able
to defeat him? As DD says in HBP; "[LV] believed that in killing
[Harry], he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He
believed he was making himself invin=ADcible."
--
Jane Grey
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265393 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:12 |
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On 15 May 2006 13:46:39 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
>> And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
>> struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
>> you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
>> AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
>> rebound, which is ludicrous).
Prove it. Where does it say by anybody who would know that the spell
immediately rebounded back.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265399 ] |
Di, 16 Mai 2006 15:25 |
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On 2006-05-16 04:12:56 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> said:
> On 15 May 2006 13:46:39 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
>>> struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
>>> you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
>>> AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
>>> rebound, which is ludicrous).
>
> Prove it. Where does it say by anybody who would know that the spell
> immediately rebounded back.
Where does it say by anybody who would know that a horcrux
can be created accidentally?
--
Enjoy,
Zolak of Twylo
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #265411 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 00:02 |
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Well, in GoF, Voldemort himself says that he didn't foresee the
protection Harry got from his mother. Therefore Voldemort did not
foresee the rebounding of the curse. From Slughorn's description of the
Horcrux-making magic, it seems likely that it is possible to store your
soul piece in something only after the murder has successfully been
committed. There was no time for that: the curse did not kill Harry,
and it did not hit anything until it hit Voldemort, at which point he
lost all his powers except the power to possess the bodies of others.
Therefore I do not see when he could have done it, even if he did it
without knowing.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #267636 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:12 |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 09:25:37 -0400, Zolak of Twylo
<dannythomas [at] walnuts.com> wrote:
>On 2006-05-16 04:12:56 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> said:
>
>> On 15 May 2006 13:46:39 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
>>>> struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
>>>> you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
>>>> AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
>>>> rebound, which is ludicrous).
>>
>> Prove it. Where does it say by anybody who would know that the spell
>> immediately rebounded back.
>
>Where does it say by anybody who would know that a horcrux
>can be created accidentally?
Book 1, when V doesn't kill Harry. As related by Book 7.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #267637 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 10:13 |
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On 16 May 2006 15:02:41 -0700, "dlh" <roddleeh [at] mit.edu> wrote:
>Well, in GoF, Voldemort himself says that he didn't foresee the
>protection Harry got from his mother. Therefore Voldemort did not
>foresee the rebounding of the curse. From Slughorn's description of the
>Horcrux-making magic, it seems likely that it is possible to store your
>soul piece in something only after the murder has successfully been
>committed. There was no time for that: the curse did not kill Harry,
>and it did not hit anything until it hit Voldemort, at which point he
>lost all his powers except the power to possess the bodies of others.
>Therefore I do not see when he could have done it, even if he did it
>without knowing.
Well, JK has to leave something a mystery for book 7. Or else we'd be
like; Alreayd figured it out. We know that. This book is practically
a repeat.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #267653 ] |
Mi, 17 Mai 2006 14:59 |
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Toon wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2006 09:25:37 -0400, Zolak of Twylo
> <dannythomas [at] walnuts.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On 2006-05-16 04:12:56 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> said:
>>
>>
>>>On 15 May 2006 13:46:39 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>And despite arguments to the contrary, Voldemort was
>>>>>struck almost instantaneously by the rebounding AK curse, for any of
>>>>>you who think he started to perform the spell to create a Horcrux after
>>>>>AKing Harry (unless you think it takes a curse like that minutes to
>>>>>rebound, which is ludicrous).
>>>
>>>Prove it. Where does it say by anybody who would know that the spell
>>>immediately rebounded back.
>>
>>Where does it say by anybody who would know that a horcrux
>>can be created accidentally?
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>
> Book 1, when V doesn't kill Harry. As related by Book 7.
No - read it again
In Chapter 24 - V clearly states
" I was going to use your death to complete my set of seven. Something
went wrong. Your mothers counter charm through her death caused my spell
to rebound so quickly that I had no time to do anything - no time to
prepare. I was reduced to something less than life - with only the power
to posess - nothing more. I no longer had the power to create a Horcrux
and I never had time enough to even start the spell. It took several
years before I was strong enough again to make one - and I chose my
faithful servant, Nagini. "
This is just before Snape and Wormtail help Harry Vanquish V for all time.
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #269829 ] |
Sa, 20 Mai 2006 20:45 |
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dlh wrote:
> Well, in GoF, Voldemort himself says that he didn't foresee the
> protection Harry got from his mother. Therefore Voldemort did not
> foresee the rebounding of the curse. From Slughorn's description of the
> Horcrux-making magic, it seems likely that it is possible to store your
> soul piece in something only after the murder has successfully been
> committed. There was no time for that: the curse did not kill Harry,
> and it did not hit anything until it hit Voldemort, at which point he
> lost all his powers except the power to possess the bodies of others.
> Therefore I do not see when he could have done it, even if he did it
> without knowing.
Well i think it is possible that LV did the horcrux creating spell in
quick succession after sending out the AK on Harry. LV might have been
expecting to be interrupted by OftP members at any moment and he would
have assumed that harry is not going to survive the AK, but as we know
the AK rebounded. So maybe when the AK hit LV he had just been about to
get the horcrux-spell out and the AK hitting him effected his wand
movements in such a way that the spell got directed towards harry
instead of the object he would have brought with him (or maybe there
was an object at Godric's Hollow he had planned to use). And so harry
could have become a horcrux accidentally. LV would have assumed the
spell failed when the AK hit him and since he was being painfully
ripped from his body at the time, he wouldn't have noticed that the
horcrux spell didn't fail.
Oh and if the horcrux creating spell simply used the last torn soul
portion, the portion torn from Lily's murder would have been used to
make harry a horcrux.
--
Jane Grey
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| Re: Harry Horcrux Twist [message #269854 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 10:01 |
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On 20 May 2006 11:45:22 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
>dlh wrote:
>> Well, in GoF, Voldemort himself says that he didn't foresee the
>> protection Harry got from his mother. Therefore Voldemort did not
>> foresee the rebounding of the curse. From Slughorn's description of the
>> Horcrux-making magic, it seems likely that it is possible to store your
>> soul piece in something only after the murder has successfully been
>> committed. There was no time for that: the curse did not kill Harry,
>> and it did not hit anything until it hit Voldemort, at which point he
>> lost all his powers except the power to possess the bodies of others.
>> Therefore I do not see when he could have done it, even if he did it
>> without knowing.
>
>Well i think it is possible that LV did the horcrux creating spell in
>quick succession after sending out the AK on Harry. LV might have been
>expecting to be interrupted by OftP members at any moment and he would
>have assumed that harry is not going to survive the AK, but as we know
>the AK rebounded. So maybe when the AK hit LV he had just been about to
>get the horcrux-spell out and the AK hitting him effected his wand
>movements in such a way that the spell got directed towards harry
>instead of the object he would have brought with him (or maybe there
>was an object at Godric's Hollow he had planned to use). And so harry
>could have become a horcrux accidentally. LV would have assumed the
>spell failed when the AK hit him and since he was being painfully
>ripped from his body at the time, he wouldn't have noticed that the
>horcrux spell didn't fail.
>
>Oh and if the horcrux creating spell simply used the last torn soul
>portion, the portion torn from Lily's murder would have been used to
>make harry a horcrux.
Makes sense, fits the book results.
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