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Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261843] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 00:08
Godzilla  
Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.

1. Is Harry going to die?
I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle of
good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep in
mind that this series is still intended for children. What kind
of childrens books have the hero die?

2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
wants to do. Harry wants to protect her by keeping her at a
distance, but she won't allow him to do so. And recognizing
that a) he loves her; and b) that she is a powerful witch in her
own right, that she will be an asset.

3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
Yes - with help from Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Dobby, and
a few others. As always there will be new characters, and
old ones will figure in somehow. Maybe Mundungus has
stolen one of the horcruxes previously... who knows?

4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil. He will get pretty
banged up in the process, but he will prevail.

5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?
Probably - after the final battle has been won.

6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
Does anyone really care? They're boneheads.

7. Where will the final battle take place?
Hogwarts - where else? Voldy has always been interested in
the magic that the castle holds. The majority of Harry's allies
are either Hogwarts students or staff. And Hogwarts is the
primary setting for the entire book series. And as there are
protective enchantments that protect the Hogwarts grounds
and students, Harry will be at a slight advantage because these
magical restrictions will limit Voldemort as to what he can and
can't do while on the grounds.



- Chip

"Ignorance is bliss, and we're in Nirvana." - C. Stobb
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261863 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 02:43
jimhoffa  
1. Is Harry going to die?
Will not die.

2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
Probably so, but I don't know if she'll manage to tag along with Harry,
Hermione and Ron on their journey.

3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
Yes... and yes with help.

4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
Yes.

5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?
Yes, perhaps even during the final battle.

6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
Don't really care. But I'm deffinately thinking Dudley will be the
one who uses magic. When Dd points out how bad the Dursleys treated
Dudley in the beginning of the HBP I think he was pointing out more than
just Dudley being fat, stupid and spoiled. I think he meant they had
treated him so poorly becaues they refused to let him learn of his
ability.

7. Where will the final battle take place?
Well, if Voldy gets wind of the attempt at destroying his Horcrux's
and the last Horcrux happens to be at Hogwarts, then it could be at
Hogwarts. That would work out nicely. I've heard the graveyard
mentioned, but I find that unlikey. What about Harry's parents house...
The last time he almost died was there as well.

I think Hogwarts would be the best though. It would lend credibility to
the finishing off of Voldy. Harry would have all the help of the staff,
students, ghosts, and castle protections. That way you can't say, "now
how in the world could one boy and two chums fight off all those death
eaters, giants, dementors AND Voldy."
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261874 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:03
Toon  
On Thu, 04 May 2006 18:08:22 -0400, Godzilla <admin [at] aol.com> wrote:

>Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
>let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>
>1. Is Harry going to die?
> I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
> Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
> Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
> has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle of
> good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep in
> mind that this series is still intended for children. What kind
> of childrens books have the hero die?

JK also said several times she's surprised people just assume that he
lives. Also, read the Animorphs some time. Or watch Draginball Z.
You'd be surprised the number of times the heroes die.

>2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
> Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
> wants to do. Harry wants to protect her by keeping her at a
> distance, but she won't allow him to do so. And recognizing
> that a) he loves her; and b) that she is a powerful witch in her
> own right, that she will be an asset.

Unless Harry dies.

>3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
> Yes - with help from Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Dobby, and
> a few others. As always there will be new characters, and
> old ones will figure in somehow. Maybe Mundungus has
> stolen one of the horcruxes previously... who knows?

JK Rowling.


>7. Where will the final battle take place?
> Hogwarts - where else? Voldy has always been interested in
> the magic that the castle holds. The majority of Harry's allies
> are either Hogwarts students or staff. And Hogwarts is the
> primary setting for the entire book series. And as there are
> protective enchantments that protect the Hogwarts grounds
> and students, Harry will be at a slight advantage because these
> magical restrictions will limit Voldemort as to what he can and
> can't do while on the grounds.
>

Harry will also be limited too. And how good are these enchantments
anyway? A bunch of DE's invaded and attacked Hogwarts. Poor Bill
almost didn't make it.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261875 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:05
Toon  
On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:43:06 -0400, "jimhoffa" <jimhoffa [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:


>6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
> Don't really care. But I'm deffinately thinking Dudley will be the
>one who uses magic. When Dd points out how bad the Dursleys treated
>Dudley in the beginning of the HBP I think he was pointing out more than
>just Dudley being fat, stupid and spoiled. I think he meant they had
>treated him so poorly becaues they refused to let him learn of his
>ability.

Nope. JK said what you see is what you get.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261876 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:48
Fish Eye no Miko  
Toon wrote:

> Godzilla <admin [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
>> let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>>
>> 1. Is Harry going to die?
>> I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
>> Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
>> Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
>> has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle
>> of good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep
>> in mind that this series is still intended for children. What
>> kind of childrens books have the hero die?
>
> JK also said several times she's surprised people just assume that
> he lives. Also, read the Animorphs some time. Or watch Draginball
> Z. You'd be surprised the number of times the heroes die.

Do any of the heroes in DBZ die and not get wished back, or come back to
life some other way? I can't think of any. Big difference between the
DBZ'verse, where death is little more than an inconvenience that can be
easily dealt with and the HP'verse, where death is final. I can think of a
few series where major (and in one case, the title) characters die for
good, but they're pretty obscure.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"If the Earth Kingdom discovers us, they'll have us killed."
"But if the Fire Nation discovers us, we'll be turned over to Azula."
"Earth Kingdom it is."
--Zuko and Iroh, _Avatar: The Last Airbender_.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261877 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:43
sjmcarter  
>"Is Harry going to die? "
It seems to be 50/50 right now. I wouldn't put it past JKR to
something like have both Harry and Voldy together in limbo, each one
nuetralizing the other.

>"Will Harry and Ginny end up together? "
Only if he lives.

>"Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?"
Yes, and Ron and Hermione will help. Possibly some other members of
the DA, but they won't actually understand the full extent of what
they're doing. Wouldn't it be funny if neville, in his perpetual
clumsiness, actually destroys the final horcrux by accident? I'm still
holding on to my "Harry's mirror from Sirius is an horcrux" theory.

>"Will Harry defeat Voldemort? '
Deafeat...mmmm....so many possible conotations of that word. Will
Harry mortally and irrevocably kill Voldy? Merely consign him to a
sort of no-man's land? Or better yet, will Voldy in the end--through
his own arrogance--merely manage to kill himself? I like this theory
best, because of the idea that evil ultimately turns on itself (yes, I
read the original Dragonlance trilogy), but also because it frees Harry
from the possible interpretation of The Prophecy (that one must
kill/vanquish the other).

>"Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name? "
Yes; I can see this happening one of two ways:
1) During the Final battle Hermione or Ginny gets injured, and Ron
screams with rage (think "Kwaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!)

2) The Battle is over, and hermione gets Ron to finally say Voldy
name. Just at that moment, Crookshanks jumps onto his lap and scares
the bejesus out of him.

>"What will happen to the Dursleys?"
It will actualluy be Mr. Dursley who has innate magical ability that
has been suppresed! Or maybe Mr. Dursley has a magical side of the
family that he knows about, yet has kept hidden. Which would explain
why he's such a stickler for normalcy.

">Where will the final battle take place? "
Part 1 at Hogwarts, Part 2 at his parents' graves in Godric's Hollow.
At then end of HBP, he mentions that he would like to visit his
parents' graves....I can't see that not being significant in some way.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261879 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:34
mcdowella  
In article <f6e0f30921f62bddabb4e802d4d6ff5c [at] localhost.talkaboutpeople.c
om>, jimhoffa <jimhoffa [at] hotmail.com> writes
(trimmed)
>
>6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
> Don't really care. But I'm deffinately thinking Dudley will be the
>one who uses magic. When Dd points out how bad the Dursleys treated
>Dudley in the beginning of the HBP I think he was pointing out more than
>just Dudley being fat, stupid and spoiled. I think he meant they had
>treated him so poorly becaues they refused to let him learn of his
>ability.
>

A lot of contenders for "late use of magic" have been ruled out by
J.K.Rowling. I would like to propose Aunt Marge for this role. In PoA:
"Aunt Marge's Big Mistake" she is talking insulting rubbish about
Harry's parents after consuming a fair amount of alcohol. The wine glass
in her hand explodes, and Harry blames himself, despite the fact that
Aunt Marge says

"Must have squeezed it too hard. Did the same thing at Colonel Fubster's
the other day. No need to fuss, Petunia... I have a very firm grip."

What if both wine glass explosions were due to unconscious magic, while
her inhibitions were relaxed due to alcohol?
--
A.G.McDowell
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261890 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 12:34
Deevo  
"Godzilla" <admin [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:vjtk52hlsl2ns2bkrtfl8jbmfm9oisacet [at] 4ax.com...
> Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
> let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>
> 1. Is Harry going to die?

I doubt it, if he does the wording of the prophecy which Jo took a great
deal of care over seems to imply that Voldemort would win, something I doubt
will eventuate.

> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?

Almost certainly if both survive. I can't see Harry being killed as I said
above and I think that Ginny's purpose will be, among other things, a reason
for him to live.

> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?

He might, or he might find out that one or two have already been destroyed.
Either way they'll need to have been destroyed for Harry to defeat
Voldemort.

> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?

Yup, see answer 1.

> 5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?

Yup and when he does so it'll be a pivotal moment.

> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?

I might be in the minority here but I think we'll see some sort of
reconcilliation, at least with Petunia.

> 7. Where will the final battle take place?

Almost certainly at the school.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #261917 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 00:27
cwlNO  
In article <vjtk52hlsl2ns2bkrtfl8jbmfm9oisacet [at] 4ax.com>, Godzilla
<admin [at] aol.com> wrote:

>Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
>let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>
>1. Is Harry going to die?
> I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
> Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
> Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
> has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle of
> good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep in
> mind that this series is still intended for children. What kind
> of childrens books have the hero die?
>
>2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
> Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
> wants to do. Harry wants to protect her by keeping her at a
> distance, but she won't allow him to do so. And recognizing
> that a) he loves her; and b) that she is a powerful witch in her
> own right, that she will be an asset.
>
>3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
> Yes - with help from Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Dobby, and
> a few others. As always there will be new characters, and
> old ones will figure in somehow. Maybe Mundungus has
> stolen one of the horcruxes previously... who knows?
>
>4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
> Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil. He will get pretty
> banged up in the process, but he will prevail.
>
>5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?
> Probably - after the final battle has been won.
>
>6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
> Does anyone really care? They're boneheads.
>
>7. Where will the final battle take place?
> Hogwarts - where else? Voldy has always been interested in
> the magic that the castle holds. The majority of Harry's allies
> are either Hogwarts students or staff. And Hogwarts is the
> primary setting for the entire book series. And as there are
> protective enchantments that protect the Hogwarts grounds
> and students, Harry will be at a slight advantage because these
> magical restrictions will limit Voldemort as to what he can and
> can't do while on the grounds.

AT LAST!!!

Seven out of seven!!

And all it took was the sane voice of a sane father of a sane daughter!
--
Chris
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262427 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 03:01
John VanSickle  
Godzilla wrote:
> Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
> let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>
> 1. Is Harry going to die?
> I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
> Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
> Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
> has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle of
> good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep in
> mind that this series is still intended for children. What kind
> of childrens books have the hero die?

Congratulations! You have inspired another Standard Answer:

"Harry Potter is not a children's series."

> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
> Yes - with help from Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Dobby, and
> a few others. As always there will be new characters, and
> old ones will figure in somehow. Maybe Mundungus has
> stolen one of the horcruxes previously... who knows?

It took the excuciatingly talented Albus Dumbledore *years* to identify
three of the Horcruxes, and one of them practically fell into his lap.

Unless Harry uses his link with Voldemort to pick V's brains, or enlists
the aid of the whole Ministry of Magic, he hasn't a prayer in Peoria of
finding all four of the remaining Horcruxes in the year remaining in the
series. I strongly suspect that whatever Harry does to V will overcome
the protection provided to Voldermort by the Horcruxes, and V will kick
the oxygen habit.

It is important to remember that V's previous defeat was accomplished
while all six Horcruxes were intact. What has happened once can usually
happen again, and in this case the Horcruxes can always be tracked down
later and destroyed, and with the last of them destroyed, Voldemort's
soul will go to where all evil souls go.

> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
> Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil.

A cursory review of the US Supreme Court's rulings should be enough to
dispel the notion that good always triumphs over evil.

Nonetheless, I doubt that JKR intends to write the most dissatisfying
ending to any series, ever. Voldemort will be defeated.

> He will get pretty banged up in the process, but he will prevail.

Only if Ginny has her way. Oh, you didn't mean it that way...

> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
> Does anyone really care? They're boneheads.

Except for some really sick slash writers, true, nobody cares.

Regards,
John
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262429 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 03:11
mystic  
John VanSickle wrote:

> Godzilla wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm sure that this has been kicked around a bit by now. So
>> let's see if we can get some realistic stuff here.
>>
>> 1. Is Harry going to die?
>> I don't think so. My daughter has a book titled "We Love Harry
>> Potter" by Sharon Moore, and in this book the author quotes J.K.
>> Rowling on the Rosie O'Donnell show of 10/14/99 saying that she
>> has already written the last chapter of Book 7. In the stuggle of
>> good vs. evil, good always triumphs in the end. Also, keep in
>> mind that this series is still intended for children. What kind
>> of childrens books have the hero die?
>
>
> Congratulations! You have inspired another Standard Answer:
>
> "Harry Potter is not a children's series."
>
>> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
>> Yes - with help from Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Dobby, and
>> a few others. As always there will be new characters, and
>> old ones will figure in somehow. Maybe Mundungus has
>> stolen one of the horcruxes previously... who knows?
>
>
> It took the excuciatingly talented Albus Dumbledore *years* to identify
> three of the Horcruxes, and one of them practically fell into his lap.
>
> Unless Harry uses his link with Voldemort to pick V's brains, or enlists
> the aid of the whole Ministry of Magic, he hasn't a prayer in Peoria of
> finding all four of the remaining Horcruxes in the year remaining in the
> series. I strongly suspect that whatever Harry does to V will overcome
> the protection provided to Voldermort by the Horcruxes, and V will kick
> the oxygen habit.
>
> It is important to remember that V's previous defeat was accomplished
> while all six Horcruxes were intact. What has happened once can usually
> happen again, and in this case the Horcruxes can always be tracked down
> later and destroyed, and with the last of them destroyed, Voldemort's
> soul will go to where all evil souls go.
>
>> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
>> Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil.
>
>
> A cursory review of the US Supreme Court's rulings should be enough to
> dispel the notion that good always triumphs over evil.
>
> Nonetheless, I doubt that JKR intends to write the most dissatisfying
> ending to any series, ever. Voldemort will be defeated.
>
>> He will get pretty banged up in the process, but he will prevail.
>
>
> Only if Ginny has her way. Oh, you didn't mean it that way...
>
>> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
>> Does anyone really care? They're boneheads.
>
>
> Except for some really sick slash writers, true, nobody cares.
>
> Regards,
> John
Is there another troll in the dungeon?
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262432 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 03:11
John VanSickle  
*MYSTIC* wrote:

> Is there another troll in the dungeon?

Trolls have more clues than this.

Regards,
John
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262436 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 05:40
Fish Eye no Miko  
*MYSTIC* wrote:

> John VanSickle wrote:
<snip John's post>
> Is there another troll in the dungeon?

You honestly think John is a troll because he's making jokes...?

Catherine Johnson. Seriously, folks.. use a word like that too much and
it loses all its meaning...
--
fenm at cox dot net
"I'm the impish officer of death."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262450 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 08:51
Larry Logsdon  
----- Original Message -----
From: "Godzilla" <admin [at] aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.Harry-potter
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations


> 1. Is Harry going to die?

No.

> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?

Yes.

> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?

Yes. Including the one at Hogwarts disguised as the trophy that Ron
cleaned in COS.

> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?

After all the pieces of V's soul have been destroyed the remaining
fragment will battle Harry's whole soul inside of Harry. It will not
be a magical battle but a contest of souls.

> 5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?

Yes.

> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
Don't know or care.

> 7. Where will the final battle take place?

In the department of mysteries, behind that locked door that contains
that most wonderful and terrible of powers.

Regards,

Larry Logsdon <larryl [at] ImpecuniousRacing.com>
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262451 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 09:52
Fish Eye no Miko  
Larry Logsdon wrote:

> From: "Godzilla" <admin [at] aol.com>
>
>> 7. Where will the final battle take place?
>
> In the department of mysteries, behind that locked door that
> contains that most wonderful and terrible of powers.

Prune juice?

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"At least some oboe player got a paycheck out of all this horse hockey..."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262461 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 10:03
Toon  
On Fri, 5 May 2006 06:34:29 +0100, "A.G.McDowell"
<mcdowella [at] nospam.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <f6e0f30921f62bddabb4e802d4d6ff5c [at] localhost.talkaboutpeople.c
>om>, jimhoffa <jimhoffa [at] hotmail.com> writes
>(trimmed)
>>
>>6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
>> Don't really care. But I'm deffinately thinking Dudley will be the
>>one who uses magic. When Dd points out how bad the Dursleys treated
>>Dudley in the beginning of the HBP I think he was pointing out more than
>>just Dudley being fat, stupid and spoiled. I think he meant they had
>>treated him so poorly becaues they refused to let him learn of his
>>ability.
>>
>
>A lot of contenders for "late use of magic" have been ruled out by
>J.K.Rowling. I would like to propose Aunt Marge for this role. In PoA:
>"Aunt Marge's Big Mistake" she is talking insulting rubbish about
>Harry's parents after consuming a fair amount of alcohol. The wine glass
>in her hand explodes, and Harry blames himself, despite the fact that
>Aunt Marge says
>
>"Must have squeezed it too hard. Did the same thing at Colonel Fubster's
>the other day. No need to fuss, Petunia... I have a very firm grip."
>
>What if both wine glass explosions were due to unconscious magic, while
>her inhibitions were relaxed due to alcohol?

Maybe that's why Harry wasn't in trouble. They figured out Marge did
it. And Fudge needed Harry to stay put for safety, so why get into
it? Justs ay it's fine, she's fine, and now stay here, OK?
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262462 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 10:06
Toon  
On Thu, 4 May 2006 22:48:49 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:

>Do any of the heroes in DBZ die and not get wished back, or come back to
>life some other way? I can't think of any.

Goku. 7 years after almost killing Cell, he gets to come back to
Earth for 24 hours, still haloed. Old Kai then gives up his life
force to Goku, so he can live again. No wishing. Just a stellar
permanent record, and a favor out of necessity to stop Majiin Buu.

King Kai was killed, but never wished back. And mocked by the other 3
Kai's.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262467 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 10:40
dsueme  
Godzilla wrote:

> 1. Is Harry going to die?
> I don't think so... What kind
> of childrens books have the hero die?

If JKR kills Harry she can never safely show her face in a convenience
market again.

>
> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
> Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
> wants to do.

Ginny is not up to the standard set by Lilly Potter in HP5, and Harry
has major issues with living up to his father's standard. Ginny is a
nice first flame - but only Hermy in this generation makes a
Lilly-quality impression.

>
> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?

Is there any chance that JKR will realize that the horcruxes are the
single lamest idea in the whole series and manage to find a clever way
to ignore them?

> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
> Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil.

Ever consider the possibility that Harry reforms Voldy? There _must_
have been something to admire in Tom Riddle, otherwise Fawkes would not
have donated a feather for his wand. Let's assume that Harry awakens
some humanity within Voldy - then V-man has to confront the evil of his
deeds.

>
> 5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?
Zzzzzzzzz....

>
> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
> Does anyone really care? They're boneheads.

I would be impressed if JKR in some way made Vernon decided who he
liked less - Harry or the "bad" magician (Petunia can fill him in on
this) and that the fate of the world turned on Vernon's choice. Think
of Vernon as an allegory for the jury system.

>
> 7. Where will the final battle take place?
> Hogwarts - where else?

Supposedly Harry will leave Hogwarts. I'm not entirely happy with this
idea, but it does open the possibility that the showdown could occur
somewhere else. Near where his parents died, perhaps?

Dave
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262468 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 10:48
dsueme  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> >> 7. Where will the final battle take place?
> >
> > In the department of mysteries, behind that locked door that
> > contains that most wonderful and terrible of powers.
>
> Prune juice?

Worf drive.

Dave

Generalizations are always bad.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262479 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 13:02
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-05-06 04:40:38 -0400, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> said:

>
> Godzilla wrote:
>
>> 1. Is Harry going to die?
>> I don't think so... What kind
>> of childrens books have the hero die?
>
> If JKR kills Harry she can never safely show her face in a convenience
> market again.
>
>>
>> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
>> Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
>> wants to do.
>
> Ginny is not up to the standard set by Lilly Potter in HP5, and Harry
> has major issues with living up to his father's standard. Ginny is a
> nice first flame - but only Hermy in this generation makes a
> Lilly-quality impression.
>
>>
>> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
>
> Is there any chance that JKR will realize that the horcruxes are the
> single lamest idea in the whole series and manage to find a clever way
> to ignore them?
>
>> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
>> Yes. Again, good always triumphs over evil.
>
> Ever consider the possibility that Harry reforms Voldy? There _must_
> have been something to admire in Tom Riddle, otherwise Fawkes would not
> have donated a feather for his wand. Let's assume that Harry awakens
> some humanity within Voldy - then V-man has to confront the evil of his
> deeds.

Where did you get the idea that Fawkes donated two feathers KNOWING that
one would go to Riddle and the other to Harry? Isn't that assuming a bit
much about a magical creature.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262486 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 15:41
Lily  
Hi all:

Here are my "profecies":

Godzilla ha escrito:
>
> 1. Is Harry going to die?

Yes. But for some complicated reason, his death will be the only way to
end with V.

> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
Yes. Just before Haary dies (again this feeling of "oh, such a waste of
time, all this years together and we didn't noticed")

> 3. Will Harry find and destroy the remaining horcruxes?
Yes. With Ron's help.

> 4. Will Harry defeat Voldemort?
Yes. See number 1.

> 5. Will Ron ever say Voldemort's name?
Yes. It may be the only way to help Harry: be an adult and say things
for its name.

> 6. What will happen to the Dursleys?
There will be a great surprise. Something about Petunia.

> 7. Where will the final battle take place?
Hogwarts or Headquarters of OfP. But it would be nice at Dursleys'!!
:-)
(In Sirius' house will prove my theory that Sirius is not "completely"
dead: just as Obi Wan or Yoda were not, and showed up from time to time
to help Luke-Harry)


Regards.
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262534 ] So, 07 Mai 2006 02:16
zoltan47  
On 6 May 2006 01:40:38 -0700, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>Godzilla wrote:
>
>> 1. Is Harry going to die?
>> I don't think so... What kind
>> of childrens books have the hero die?
>
>If JKR kills Harry she can never safely show her face in a convenience
>market again.
>
>>
>> 2. Will Harry and Ginny end up together?
>> Yes. Ginny is so strong-willed that she will do whatever she
>> wants to do.
>
>Ginny is not up to the standard set by Lilly Potter in HP5, and Harry
>has major issues with living up to his father's standard. Ginny is a
>nice first flame - but only Hermy in this generation makes a
>Lilly-quality impression.
>
>>
{SNIP}

It would not make sense for Harry to be with anyone but Ginny from now
on. This is not to say that there is anything inherently special about
Ginny outside of JKR deciding she was the one she was going to pair
with Harry. The same would apply if JKR had chosen a different girl.

Love as the strongest magic seems to be the obvious Boon of the Hero's
Journey. While Harry has had platonic and familial love, romantic love
was needed to complete the set. (If platonic and familial love
sufficed, Harry would have had enough to receive the Boon already.)
Harry breaking up with Ginny fits as the part of the Journey called
the Refusal of the Return, where the Hero does not readily take up the
boon, either by choice or by not recognizing it

Harry had to gain A girlfriend. While one could argue the validity of
which girl JKR chose, once that relation was established, this role
was pretty much locked in. How can such magic be so strong if the love
that creates is it so temporary or changeable? For Harry to be with
anyone but the girl he was with in HBP would lessen the Boon. It just
happened to be Ginny.

Put another way, the same reason Harry broke up with Ginny would apply
to any other girl. Think in generic terms. He broke up with his
girlfriend because he was afraid Voldemort would harm his girlfriend
to get to him. Now imagine he was with any other girl in the next
book. If he cared more for her than he does for Ginny, wouldn't he be
more afraid that something would happen to her? If he was with her, it
would basically be telling her, "I care too much for Ginny to risk
Voldemort using her to get to me. You not so much."

BTW, JKR seems to disagree with your view regarding Ginny's
worthiness.

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

"...the plan was, which I really hope I fulfilled, is that the reader,
like Harry, would gradually discover Ginny as pretty much the ideal
girl for Harry. She's tough, not in an unpleasant way, but she's
gutsy. He needs to be with someone who can stand the demands of being
with Harry Potter, because he's a scary boyfriend in a lot of ways.
He's a marked man. I think she's funny, and I think that she's very
warm and compassionate. These are all things that Harry requires in
his ideal woman. But, I felt -- and I'm talking years ago when all
this was planned -- initially, she's terrified by his image. I mean,
he's a bit of a rock god to her when she sees him first, at 10 or 11,
and he's this famous boy. So Ginny had to go through a journey as
well. And rather like with Ron, I didn’t want Ginny to be the first
girl that Harry ever kissed. That's something I meant to say, and it's
kind of tied in.

One of the ways in which I tried to show that Harry has done a lot of
growing up -- in "Phoenix," remember when Cho comes into the
compartment, and he thinks, ‘I wish I could have been discovered
sitting with better people,’ basically? He's with Luna and Neville. So
literally the identical thing happens in "Prince," and he's with Luna
and Neville again, but this time, he has grown up, and as far as he's
concerned he is with two of the coolest people on the train. They may
not look that cool. Harry has really grown. And I feel that Ginny and
Harry, in this book, they are total equals. They are worthy of each
other. They've both gone through a big emotional journey, and they've
really got over a lot of delusions, to use your word, together. So, I
enjoyed writing that. I really like Ginny as a character."
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262536 ] So, 07 Mai 2006 03:40
Fish Eye no Miko  
Toon wrote:

> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
>> Do any of the heroes in DBZ die and not get wished back, or come
>> back to life some other way? I can't think of any.
>
> Goku.

"...or come back in some other way".

> 7 years after almost killing Cell, he gets to come back to
> Earth for 24 hours, still haloed.

"Haloed" = "dead" of those who don't know.
And this amounted to him actually being out of the comic on very briefly
(since the writer skipped those 7 years).

> Old Kai then gives up his life force to Goku, so he can live
> again. No wishing.

Which is why I said, "...or come back in some other way".
And my point was--no major good guy died permanently during the course of
the show.
Oh, wait... Kami, when Piccolo and he recombined... The new being was
really more like Piccolo than Kami.

> King Kai was killed, but never wished back. And mocked by the
> other 3 Kai's.

I can see why.. ^_^

Catherine Johnson.
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Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262569 ] So, 07 Mai 2006 10:43
dsueme  
Zolak of Twylo wrote:

> Where did you get the idea that Fawkes donated two feathers KNOWING that
> one would go to Riddle and the other to Harry?

The wand maker makes much of the "coincidence". That implies that
something is going on. And the wand maker is old, with flyaway grey
hair (as depicted in the movie). This means he must be wise.

Isn't that assuming a bit
> much about a magical creature.

Well, actually, I'm sort of just assuming that he's really magical.

It is clearly implied that Fawkes deliberately donated ONLY two
feathers. Now, why would it be only two feathers? Because it hurts
too badly when a feather falls out? I don't think so.

Dave
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #262601 ] So, 07 Mai 2006 19:28
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-05-07 04:43:31 -0400, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> said:

>
> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>
>> Where did you get the idea that Fawkes donated two feathers KNOWING that
>> one would go to Riddle and the other to Harry?
>
> The wand maker makes much of the "coincidence". That implies that
> something is going on. And the wand maker is old, with flyaway grey
> hair (as depicted in the movie). This means he must be wise.
>
> Isn't that assuming a bit
>> much about a magical creature.
>
> Well, actually, I'm sort of just assuming that he's really magical.
>
> It is clearly implied that Fawkes deliberately donated ONLY two
> feathers. Now, why would it be only two feathers? Because it hurts
> too badly when a feather falls out? I don't think so.
>
> Dave


I don't have a problem with the "Fawkes donating two feathers" part.
It's the "knowling that Riddle would get one and Harry the other" part.
Fawkes would have donated the feathers before Riddle would have even
known about the wizarding world. After all, Ollivander would have needed
the time to craft the wands and stock them on his shelf. Then the wand, just
like every other wand in the shop, would choose the wizard. All of this
after the fact (Fawkes donation of two feathers).

Fawkes knew Riddle would get the first wand? I still don't follow.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Book 7 - Guesses and Generalizations [message #264729 ] Mo, 08 Mai 2006 06:20
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Everything for Book 7 [message #269697 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 02:02
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Catherine Johnson wrote:

> I can think of a few series where major (and in one case, the
> title) characters die for good, but they're pretty obscure.

Neo & Trinity at the end of the Matrix series.


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