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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by Cody
Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by Cody [message #20499] Mo, 25 April 2005 00:24
Cody k  
Hello, all. Just finished this, got it all RARed and PARed and ready to go.
It is commercial quality, taken from the highest available sources as
always. None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here! As usual, it will be a
four day post, with all of the RARs in the first three days and recovery
files on the fourth.

Three great episodes, all worthy of the Star Trek name. If only the entire
series had been this good, it might not be on its deathbed.

Cheers,
Cody k
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #20506 ] Mo, 25 April 2005 02:07
Locutus  
None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here!

HD lol are the best caps ever
what are you talking about "psuedo"??
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #20552 ] Mo, 25 April 2005 10:57
Cody k  
"Locutus" <Drone [at] Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message
news:Y_ydndHAd48bqPHfRVn-ow [at] rcn.net...
> None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here!
>
> HD lol are the best caps ever

Heh...that's pretty funny.

> what are you talking about "psuedo"??

Okay, you obviously weren't around, or weren't paying attention, the last
few times I explained this, so I'll run through it again.

High definition means (in the U.S) either 720 or 1080 lines of vertical
resolution, depending on the studio. Lol's posts are 352 lines vertical by
652 horizontal. That isn't even close to HD. Standard definition runs 480
lines vertical. Remove 60 lines from the top and 60 from the bottom for
16:9 letterboxing, and you have 360. They don't even reach SD resolution!
Even VHS is higher res. I have a Hi-Def TV, and it's a beaut. I've seen
Lol DVD conversions on my TV, and they look like crap. I've seen them on
standard sets, and they still look inferior to even a digital broadcast
signal. Lol calls their caps HD because they ostensibly take them from an
HD feed. As I pointed out above, their results are less than SD quality. I
could take a feed directly off of regular non-HD digital satellite and
produce higher res caps than theirs. Hence, Lol's posts are "pseudo" HD.

Try downloading a HRHD (half-resolution high definition) cap sometime, and
see the difference. If you still think Lol are better quality, then you
don't deserve the time I've just given you. That having been said, there
are people here and elsewhere who prefer Lol caps to other versions because
of their small size. Two full hour episodes on one CD-R is pretty nice, and
an episode can be downloaded in minutes.

My DVDs are taken, generally, from one of two sources: HR Divx or TS. I
use the HRHD caps for Enterprise (528 x 960) and DVD-Q caps for Smallville.
DVD-Q means the lines of resolution are the same as a commercial anamorphic
DVD: 480x720. TS is short for "transport stream." This is the pure,
uncompressed feed transmitted by TV stations for HD. They run roughly 5-7
gigabytes for a single episode, at 1080 x 1920 resolution. 15 times the
download of a Lol file, but what you get is the best possible quality. My
cap of "Bound" is from a TS, as is the sample I posted earlier this evening.
I don't always have access to them is a timely enough fashion for my DVDs,
so most of my work is taken from the HRHD caps.

Let's not forget audio quality. Lol's posts are generally around 145
kb/sec, mpeg stereo. The HRHD and TS are full HD audio, at 384 kb/sec,
sometimes with full dolby 5.1 surround. Wouldn't be worth having an HD if I
didn't have a kickin' home theatre, so again, Lol comes up very short.

Cheers,
Cody k
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #20555 ] Mo, 25 April 2005 13:13
Locutus  
"Cody k" <codykg [at] nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:zh2be.1008777$za2.160070 [at] news.easynews.com...
>
> "Locutus" <Drone [at] Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message news:Y_ydndHAd48bqPHfRVn-ow [at] rcn.net...
>> None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here!



OK ill bite
where can I get one of your caps?
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #22150 ] Di, 26 April 2005 06:14
Cody k  
"Locutus" <Drone [at] Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message
news:vZudnexlB4Q7TfHfRVn-jQ [at] rcn.net...
>
> "Cody k" <codykg [at] nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:zh2be.1008777$za2.160070 [at] news.easynews.com...
>>
>> "Locutus" <Drone [at] Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message
>> news:Y_ydndHAd48bqPHfRVn-ow [at] rcn.net...
>>> None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here!
>
>
>
> OK ill bite
> where can I get one of your caps?

Oh, shit, I'm sorry. I forgot to mention in my initial message that I am
cross-posting it to the following groups:

alt.binaries.startrek
alt.binaries.multimedia.startrek
alt.binaries.multimedia
alt.binaries.dvdr
alt.binaries.multimedia.scifi

Being a full DVD, totaling 4.3 GB, I'm posting it over 4 nights. I started
last night. If you're looking for something a bit easier to download, look
for the 700 MB HRHD caps in alt.binaries.startrek or
alt.binaries.multimedia.startrek. They're typically posting within 48 hours
of the episode airing. "In A Mirror, Darkly" was posted a couple of days
ago. I've already converted it for my next DVD......

Cheers,
Cody k
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #22641 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 00:38
Bart Van Hemelen  
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:24:17 GMT, Cody k wrote:

> None of that pseudo-HD "lol" nonsense here!

Oh grow up. The hdtv in lol encodes refers to the SOURCE.


--
Bart Van Hemelen
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Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #22643 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 00:48
Bart Van Hemelen  
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:57:03 GMT, Cody k wrote:

> Okay, you obviously weren't around, or weren't paying attention, the last
> few times I explained this, so I'll run through it again.

And you don't pay attention when grown-ups explain to you that the "hdtv"
in 350mb xvid encodes refer to the SOURCE. Only a total idiot would expect
a 45 minute, 350 mb xvid to look good on a hdtv.

> Lol calls their caps HD because they ostensibly take them from an
> HD feed. As I pointed out above, their results are less than SD quality.

As are ALL 350mb caps of a 45 minute show.

> Try downloading a HRHD (half-resolution high definition) cap sometime,

Aha, inventing your own naming conventions, I see. Let's look at what the
HR really stands for:

---------------------------------------------------------

CTU is the member of the continuum dedicated to bringing you High
Resolution XviD TV rips (HR.HDTV/PDTV). HR HDTV is a format originated by
us in 2003, under our former group name of FUA. HR HDTV is defined by us
as
the following:

- HDTV source (1920*1088,29.97i or 1280*720,59.94p)
- 960x528 WS resolution
- untouched AC3 audio
- sized to fit 1 1-hour episode or 2 30 minute episodes per CD

---------------------------------------------------------

So it's not "half resolution", but it's "high resolution". As in "higher
than regular 350mb xvid encodes".

So stop misinforming the masses and get off your soapbox, because you look
incredibly silly.

--
Bart Van Hemelen
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useful information (downloading from usenet, EasyNews features,...) here:
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Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #22670 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 06:19
Cody k  
"Bart Van Hemelen" <see.sig [at] bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
news:1f2xiofxriiv1.1r3ppuk3a5ymz.dlg [at] 40tude.net...
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:57:03 GMT, Cody k wrote:
>
>> Okay, you obviously weren't around, or weren't paying attention, the last
>> few times I explained this, so I'll run through it again.
>
> And you don't pay attention when grown-ups explain to you that the "hdtv"
> in 350mb xvid encodes refer to the SOURCE. Only a total idiot would expect
> a 45 minute, 350 mb xvid to look good on a hdtv.
>
>> Lol calls their caps HD because they ostensibly take them from an
>> HD feed. As I pointed out above, their results are less than SD quality.
>
> As are ALL 350mb caps of a 45 minute show.
>
>> Try downloading a HRHD (half-resolution high definition) cap sometime,
>
> Aha, inventing your own naming conventions, I see. Let's look at what the
> HR really stands for:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CTU is the member of the continuum dedicated to bringing you High
> Resolution XviD TV rips (HR.HDTV/PDTV). HR HDTV is a format originated by
> us in 2003, under our former group name of FUA. HR HDTV is defined by us
> as
> the following:
>
> - HDTV source (1920*1088,29.97i or 1280*720,59.94p)
> - 960x528 WS resolution
> - untouched AC3 audio
> - sized to fit 1 1-hour episode or 2 30 minute episodes per CD
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> So it's not "half resolution", but it's "high resolution". As in "higher
> than regular 350mb xvid encodes".
>
> So stop misinforming the masses and get off your soapbox, because you look
> incredibly silly.
>
> --
> Bart Van Hemelen
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
> useful information (downloading from usenet, EasyNews features,...) here:
> http://users.pandora.be/bvh2000/useful.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------


I'd like to know what the fuck difference is makes whether the word is
"high" or "half." I'd like to know if that changes a single thing I've
said. I'd like to know how you define me expressing my opinion counts as a
"soapbox" or how I look "incredibly silly" for proving mathematically that
it doesn't make a bit of difference what the source is for a Lol encode
because their quality is less than that of standard definition (i.e. the
shit that's been around for a half century) television.

I'd also like to know what you contribute to this group, or any group you
subscribe to, Bart. You seem to exist here for the sole purpose of being a
jerk to the group at large and a pain in my ass. You have never posted
anything here, or anywhere, larger than a text message, as far as I can
tell. Your worth to this group is nil. Go away.

Cody k
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #22692 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 09:49
VirtualBabe  
Cody, Cody, Cody !!!!! I guess I am going to have to hang a sign
around you neck so you will remember the 1st rule of living in the
newsgroup world... DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

by now you should know that bart van hemelen ALWAYS has something to
say, but never nothing to post.. your replying just feed he she or
it's ego. you ever hear of "killfilter"?? it allows you to do your
excellent work without interacting with lower forms of life, aka bart
van hemelen who from this time on I will refer to as BUTT VAN HEMELEN


On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:19:59 GMT, "Cody k"
<codykg [at] nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Bart Van Hemelen" <see.sig [at] bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
>news:1f2xiofxriiv1.1r3ppuk3a5ymz.dlg [at] 40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:57:03 GMT, Cody k wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, you obviously weren't around, or weren't paying attention, the last
>>> few times I explained this, so I'll run through it again.
>>
>> And you don't pay attention when grown-ups explain to you that the "hdtv"
>> in 350mb xvid encodes refer to the SOURCE. Only a total idiot would expect
>> a 45 minute, 350 mb xvid to look good on a hdtv.
>>
>>> Lol calls their caps HD because they ostensibly take them from an
>>> HD feed. As I pointed out above, their results are less than SD quality.
>>
>> As are ALL 350mb caps of a 45 minute show.
>>
>>> Try downloading a HRHD (half-resolution high definition) cap sometime,
>>
>> Aha, inventing your own naming conventions, I see. Let's look at what the
>> HR really stands for:
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> CTU is the member of the continuum dedicated to bringing you High
>> Resolution XviD TV rips (HR.HDTV/PDTV). HR HDTV is a format originated by
>> us in 2003, under our former group name of FUA. HR HDTV is defined by us
>> as
>> the following:
>>
>> - HDTV source (1920*1088,29.97i or 1280*720,59.94p)
>> - 960x528 WS resolution
>> - untouched AC3 audio
>> - sized to fit 1 1-hour episode or 2 30 minute episodes per CD
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> So it's not "half resolution", but it's "high resolution". As in "higher
>> than regular 350mb xvid encodes".
>>
>> So stop misinforming the masses and get off your soapbox, because you look
>> incredibly silly.
>>
>> --
>> Bart Van Hemelen
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
>> useful information (downloading from usenet, EasyNews features,...) here:
>> http://users.pandora.be/bvh2000/useful.html
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
>
>
>I'd like to know what the fuck difference is makes whether the word is
>"high" or "half." I'd like to know if that changes a single thing I've
>said. I'd like to know how you define me expressing my opinion counts as a
>"soapbox" or how I look "incredibly silly" for proving mathematically that
>it doesn't make a bit of difference what the source is for a Lol encode
>because their quality is less than that of standard definition (i.e. the
>shit that's been around for a half century) television.
>
>I'd also like to know what you contribute to this group, or any group you
>subscribe to, Bart. You seem to exist here for the sole purpose of being a
>jerk to the group at large and a pain in my ass. You have never posted
>anything here, or anywhere, larger than a text message, as far as I can
>tell. Your worth to this group is nil. Go away.
>
>Cody k
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #26613 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 15:36
Cody k  
<VirtualBabe [at] Virtual.Newsgroup> wrote in message
news:p3mb711vd31ctk97ae2e9vg2ddsbg4j4sm [at] 4ax.com...
> Cody, Cody, Cody !!!!! I guess I am going to have to hang a sign
> around you neck so you will remember the 1st rule of living in the
> newsgroup world... DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
>
> by now you should know that bart van hemelen ALWAYS has something to
> say, but never nothing to post.. your replying just feed he she or
> it's ego. you ever hear of "killfilter"?? it allows you to do your
> excellent work without interacting with lower forms of life, aka bart
> van hemelen who from this time on I will refer to as BUTT VAN HEMELEN
>
>

Thank you for saying that. At least I know I'm not the only one who feels
that way about him. Kill-filter? I usually save mine for spammers and
out-and-out trolls, not simple jerks.

Cheers,
Cody k


> On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:19:59 GMT, "Cody k"
> <codykg [at] nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bart Van Hemelen" <see.sig [at] bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:1f2xiofxriiv1.1r3ppuk3a5ymz.dlg [at] 40tude.net...
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:57:03 GMT, Cody k wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, you obviously weren't around, or weren't paying attention, the
>>>> last
>>>> few times I explained this, so I'll run through it again.
>>>
>>> And you don't pay attention when grown-ups explain to you that the
>>> "hdtv"
>>> in 350mb xvid encodes refer to the SOURCE. Only a total idiot would
>>> expect
>>> a 45 minute, 350 mb xvid to look good on a hdtv.
>>>
>>>> Lol calls their caps HD because they ostensibly take them from an
>>>> HD feed. As I pointed out above, their results are less than SD
>>>> quality.
>>>
>>> As are ALL 350mb caps of a 45 minute show.
>>>
>>>> Try downloading a HRHD (half-resolution high definition) cap sometime,
>>>
>>> Aha, inventing your own naming conventions, I see. Let's look at what
>>> the
>>> HR really stands for:
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> CTU is the member of the continuum dedicated to bringing you High
>>> Resolution XviD TV rips (HR.HDTV/PDTV). HR HDTV is a format originated
>>> by
>>> us in 2003, under our former group name of FUA. HR HDTV is defined by us
>>> as
>>> the following:
>>>
>>> - HDTV source (1920*1088,29.97i or 1280*720,59.94p)
>>> - 960x528 WS resolution
>>> - untouched AC3 audio
>>> - sized to fit 1 1-hour episode or 2 30 minute episodes per CD
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> So it's not "half resolution", but it's "high resolution". As in "higher
>>> than regular 350mb xvid encodes".
>>>
>>> So stop misinforming the masses and get off your soapbox, because you
>>> look
>>> incredibly silly.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bart Van Hemelen
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
>>> useful information (downloading from usenet, EasyNews features,...)
>>> here:
>>> http://users.pandora.be/bvh2000/useful.html
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
>>
>>
>>I'd like to know what the fuck difference is makes whether the word is
>>"high" or "half." I'd like to know if that changes a single thing I've
>>said. I'd like to know how you define me expressing my opinion counts as
>>a
>>"soapbox" or how I look "incredibly silly" for proving mathematically that
>>it doesn't make a bit of difference what the source is for a Lol encode
>>because their quality is less than that of standard definition (i.e. the
>>shit that's been around for a half century) television.
>>
>>I'd also like to know what you contribute to this group, or any group you
>>subscribe to, Bart. You seem to exist here for the sole purpose of being
>>a
>>jerk to the group at large and a pain in my ass. You have never posted
>>anything here, or anywhere, larger than a text message, as far as I can
>>tell. Your worth to this group is nil. Go away.
>>
>>Cody k
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #26629 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 20:44
Bart Van Hemelen  
On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:19:59 GMT, Cody k wrote:

> I'd like to know what the fuck difference is makes whether the word is
> "high" or "half."

I get it, admitting that you're wrong is soooo hard, isn't it? There's a
major difference in meaning, but admitting that would crush your little
ego.

> I'd like to know if that changes a single thing I've
> said.

Here's another thing that's wrong: whereas the hrhd encodes are of greater
quality than 350 mb xvids, they're still not "hdtv". Yet you don't object
to those encodes using that term in their name. Oh wait, if you can play
them on your hdtv and they don't look bad, then they can use "hdtv" in
their name? Cody K, encoding cop.

> I'd like to know how you define me expressing my opinion counts as a
> "soapbox"

Because you've said this stupid shit over and over again, and even *demand*
that encoders use YOUR preferred settings when making their files.

> I'd also like to know what you contribute to this group, or any group you
> subscribe to, Bart.

So what you're saying it: it's okay to be factually wrong, just as long as
you post enough crap?

> You have never posted
> anything here, or anywhere, larger than a text message, as far as I can
> tell.

And you're wrong again. What a surprise.

But hey, why research when you can just make up stuff, right?

--
Bart Van Hemelen
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Re: Enterprise 4x15.4x16.4x17 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by C [message #26644 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 00:54
Cody k  
"Bart Van Hemelen" <see.sig [at] bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
news:158qtt17ezfab.zt0rcpdnrqf1$.dlg [at] 40tude.net...
> On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:19:59 GMT, Cody k wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know what the fuck difference is makes whether the word is
>> "high" or "half."
>
> I get it, admitting that you're wrong is soooo hard, isn't it? There's a
> major difference in meaning, but admitting that would crush your little
> ego.
>


I made an error in wording, using the word "half" instead of "high." Oops.
I can admit to a mistake; can you admit you're an asshole? For the record,
the HR HD caps are slightly better than half resolution. hardly a "major"
difference.



>> I'd like to know if that changes a single thing I've
>> said.
>
> Here's another thing that's wrong: whereas the hrhd encodes are of greater
> quality than 350 mb xvids, they're still not "hdtv". Yet you don't object
> to those encodes using that term in their name. Oh wait, if you can play
> them on your hdtv and they don't look bad, then they can use "hdtv" in
> their name? Cody K, encoding cop.


I don't object to those caps referencing that they're capped from HDTV
because they could not be made at the level of quality that they are without
an HD feed. Lol's caps, being lower than SD resolution, can be. In fact,
they often are made from PDTV (pure digital), the UK standard, with no
discernible difference. I found "PDTV" alternately defined as "pirate
digital" and "plain digital." Y'know what? It isn't a significant
point...it's a word, which doesn't change the content in any meaningful way.
Lol can, and obviously does, do whatever they damn well please. Makes no
difference to me, except that it's one more set of posts to weed through and
delete when I pull headers.

Since my goal is encoding to NTSC DVD, and NTSC DVD is set at the pitifully
low resolution of 480:720, anything higher than that means my source is
higher res than my product. That makes it good enough for DVD source
material, in my book. Lol does not make good source material for DVDs
because the resolution is roughly 75% of what even a DVD is capable of.

>
>> I'd like to know how you define me expressing my opinion counts as a
>> "soapbox"
>
> Because you've said this stupid shit over and over again, and even
> *demand*
> that encoders use YOUR preferred settings when making their files.


I have never "demand" that people do anything in these groups. I never even
insist on anything, except that they maybe invest in a premium server. I
encourage people to use higher quality versions if they're converting
because they get better product. I've given my "recipe" for Divx and .ts
conversions to DVD a few times, but it's hardly Gospel.


>
>> I'd also like to know what you contribute to this group, or any group you
>> subscribe to, Bart.
>
> So what you're saying it: it's okay to be factually wrong, just as long as
> you post enough crap?


You calling my posts "crap" kinda flies in the face of everyone who's
actually downloaded one of them and unilaterally complimented me and thanked
me for my work.


>
>> You have never posted
>> anything here, or anywhere, larger than a text message, as far as I can
>> tell.
>
> And you're wrong again. What a surprise.


So, what have you posted, since you insist my earlier assertion was
incorrect? A quick Easynews Global Search, covering virtually every corner
of Usenet for the past 40 or so days, reveals......"No results." Huh. How
'bout that? A quick Google search reveals......a fetish for Carmen Electra,
a strong love for Prince, and at least some interest in Nine Inch Nails.
Can't fault ya there, all good stuff. A few dead websites. Huh. An
ability to write simple Java code. *shrug* No indication of *any* posts to
Usenet. Ever. Prove me wrong. I've been in these groups for years and
years, and have seen you contribute fuck-all. Since you're so big on
verbiage, note the word "contribute" - not "post." Not only do you not post
anything, but your text has never been positive, nor helpful, towards
anyone.


>
> But hey, why research when you can just make up stuff, right?


Oh....like you pulling the word "demand" out of your ass in reference to
things I've written in these groups?

>
> --
> Bart Van Hemelen
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
> useful information (downloading from usenet, EasyNews features,...) here:
> http://users.pandora.be/bvh2000/useful.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------



Y'know, it's funny. Bart tracked me down in another group a few weeks ago
and was abusive to me there as well. (My own little cyber-stalker....how
sweet.) It turned out he knew more on a subject (NZB) than I, and I tried to
deal with him as a decent person, instead of this wannabe adversarial thing
he has going on here. No dice, he was still an asshole.

Now calm down, Bart. You sound as if you're about to pop a blood vessel
there. And remember, I'm not the first one who called you a troll.

Cody k
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