| Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254153] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 19:10 |
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One thing I always complain about is that Zappa used the same drummer
& Bass Player From 81 - 88. In alot of ways, the 88 band was the 82
band with a horn section. I feel the overall flavor of his sound was
very dictated by his drummer's style of playing.
What made Hot Rats Jump out at me was the different drum sound that I
was used to hearing. With Dunbar, Zappa's overall sound grew balls
overnight. From Chester up To Chad, Frank's sound would drasticly
change when the Drummer was replaced. I felt that Zappa's whole 80's
Rock Output was too slick sounding with a sort of common Bass/Drum
sound, whereas thru the 60s & 70s, it changed drastically and often.
Just my opinion, thats all
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254155 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 20:05 |
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Don Ferrante wrote:
> One thing I always complain about is that Zappa used the same drummer
> & Bass Player From 81 - 88. In alot of ways, the 88 band was the 82
> band with a horn section. I feel the overall flavor of his sound was
> very dictated by his drummer's style of playing.
True. OTOH, Zappa dictated quite a bit about how the drummers and bass
players played. Chad's playing style on Allan Holdsworth records is
rather different from how he played with Zappa.
As far as 88 vs. 82, IMO, losing Ray White, Tommy Mars and Steve Vai
and gaining Ike Willis, horns and samples made a rather big difference.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254156 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 20:14 |
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In article <1145469904.988466.180180 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Don Ferrante wrote:
> > One thing I always complain about is that Zappa used the same drummer
> > & Bass Player From 81 - 88. In alot of ways, the 88 band was the 82
> > band with a horn section. I feel the overall flavor of his sound was
> > very dictated by his drummer's style of playing.
>
> True. OTOH, Zappa dictated quite a bit about how the drummers and bass
> players played. Chad's playing style on Allan Holdsworth records is
> rather different from how he played with Zappa.
>
> As far as 88 vs. 82, IMO, losing Ray White, Tommy Mars and Steve Vai
> and gaining Ike Willis, horns and samples made a rather big difference.
But Mike Keneally had no effect?
--Charles
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254157 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 20:16 |
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I like the playing style of Chad but not is sounding electronic drum
pab and his snare sound plastic. Not more the bass drum of Chester on
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2.
So nothing is perfect and I still listen those drumers.
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254158 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 20:30 |
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Charles Ulrich wrote:
> In article <1145469904.988466.180180 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > As far as 88 vs. 82, IMO, losing Ray White, Tommy Mars and Steve Vai
> > and gaining Ike Willis, horns and samples made a rather big difference.
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> But Mike Keneally had no effect?
The things I mentioned were the top three differences, IMO. Keneally
would be #4. :)
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254159 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 20:39 |
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In article <1145471443.750504.301680 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Charles Ulrich wrote:
> > In article <1145469904.988466.180180 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > As far as 88 vs. 82, IMO, losing Ray White, Tommy Mars and Steve Vai
> > > and gaining Ike Willis, horns and samples made a rather big difference.
> >
> > But Mike Keneally had no effect?
>
> The things I mentioned were the top three differences, IMO. Keneally
> would be #4. :)
The top four differences were Ike Willis, horns, samples, Mike Keneally,
and a ruthless efficiency.
--Charles
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254165 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 03:37 |
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Charles Ulrich wrote:
> The top four differences were Ike Willis, horns, samples, Mike Keneally,
> and a ruthless efficiency.
Yeah. I missed Ruth.
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254167 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 04:05 |
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"Michael Gula" <mikegula [at] erols.com> wrote in message
news:qridnXXUkMdaeNvZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d [at] rcn.net...
> Charles Ulrich wrote:
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>> The top four differences were Ike Willis, horns, samples, Mike Keneally,
>> and a ruthless efficiency.
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> Yeah. I missed Ruth.
Or the almost fanatical devotion to the Pope?
mike v
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"No one listens to jazz. Science teachers and the mentally ill, that's all
jazz is for." - Vince Noir, "The Mighty Boosh"
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| Re: Zappa's Drummers dictated his sound. [message #254170 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 07:40 |
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On 19 Apr 2006 11:16:13 -0700, "ZutboF" <zutbof [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>I like the playing style of Chad but not is sounding electronic drum
>pab and his snare sound plastic. Not more the bass drum of Chester on
>You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2.
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>So nothing is perfect and I still listen those drumers.
You guys have to remember Zappa was one of the few guys that actually
wrote music for drummers.
Zappa's drummers were a who's who's of the drum world.
I have no doubt that Bozzio could have played in the style of chester
thomson or visa versa.
i think just about anyone who played for Zappa (drummers or otherwise)
were capable of playing anything from classical to heavy metal.
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