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Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254006] Mi, 03 Mai 2006 07:01
Toon  
Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254008 ] Mi, 03 Mai 2006 08:01
cspirit  
There are three reasons i think:
1. Demand of plot.
Things 'had' to happen in the way they've happened, otherwise we
wouldn't have had the third book! Sirius *is* the plot of book3; making
him say things to harry so early in the book would make it a mere
subplot. Also, according to me, Sirius's presence in the overall
storyline is due to emotional reasons. Harry has to feel the pain of
loss to mature. So, sirius. that's why i think he is given an entire
book i.e. book3 - to raise his importance. What you say would've
diluted everything.

2.Would harry have believed him?
Harry is not someone whom anyone can take for a ride. Imagine a haggard
looking wizard coming and saying 'People say i killed your parents and
i was in Azkaban due to it. But i ran from there and it was not me, it
was our friend whom we never suspected to have any magical abilities.
And he is hiding as a Rat with your friend Ron.' What harry would've
done? Taken out his wand and cursed him!

3.Sirius's priorities.
He was on the run and animagi was his only cover. he wanted to see
harry once before setting off towards Hogwarts. Killing Peter before he
caused anymore damage was his priority , not making harry know
everything. Killing Peter would also have cleared his name and his
innocence would've been proved automatically.

I think this answers it.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254009 ] Mi, 03 Mai 2006 09:02
Christian Winter  
Toon wrote:
> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.

If Sirius had approached Harry at this time, Harry may have been too
frightened to listen to him, maybe he'd even have tried to disarm or
stun him. And doing magic out there would certainly have alarmed the
Ministry.

Sirius didn't have an owl at this time to send a letter to Harry, so
he would have had to come close to him physically, which would have
put him in danger of blowing his cover. Thus I'd say this part of POA
is quite consinstent with the situation.

-Chris

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Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254055 ] Mi, 03 Mai 2006 21:09
pooter  
Toon [toon [at] toon.com] said
> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
>
Perhaps next time JK could leave out the whole plot and save us the
bother of reading the book at all. :-)
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254063 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 00:31
DM  
Toon wrote:

> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.

I'm not sure that moment was the right time. Perhaps Sirius intended to
do that but then the Knight Bus came along...

One of my peeves about PoA is that, for a entire school year, Sirius
never *tried* to appeal his innocence. Not to Harry, not to Lupin or
Dumbledore. All he did was act like a maniac going after Scabbers. I
just don't accept his state of mind was such he was out of it. He was
clear headed enough to track Scabbers to Hogwarts, swing by Pivet Drive
to see Harry, watch Quidditch matches, arrange for a Firebolt to be sent
to Harry, etc.

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Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254067 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 01:36
Fish Eye no Miko  
Christian Winter wrote:

> Sirius didn't have an owl at this time to send a letter to Harry,

Pigwidgeon says, "Hi.". (and poops on your shoulder).

Catherine Johnson.
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Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254085 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 06:10
drusilla  
Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> Christian Winter wrote:
>
>> Sirius didn't have an owl at this time to send a letter to Harry,
>
> Pigwidgeon says, "Hi.". (and poops on your shoulder).
>
> Catherine Johnson.

It looks like he got Pig after his encounter with Harry.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254086 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 06:17
drusilla  
DM escribió:
> Toon wrote:
>
>> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
>> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
>> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
>> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
>
> I'm not sure that moment was the right time. Perhaps Sirius intended to
> do that but then the Knight Bus came along...
>
> One of my peeves about PoA is that, for a entire school year, Sirius
> never *tried* to appeal his innocence. Not to Harry, not to Lupin or
> Dumbledore. All he did was act like a maniac going after Scabbers. I
> just don't accept his state of mind was such he was out of it. He was
> clear headed enough to track Scabbers to Hogwarts, swing by Pivet Drive
> to see Harry, watch Quidditch matches, arrange for a Firebolt to be sent
> to Harry, etc.
>
I suppose it could have been quite hard to get any closer to DD. He
spent - at that time - mostly of his time inside his office. How to get
there and not being seen? And even if he managed to reach the office,
it's not that he had been able to enter as he didn't have the password.

Harry was quite protected by everybody, so, he was never alone to give
her time to explain. Probably, whoever was with him, had run for it and
alert people.

And Lupin, he knew and was sure - as said for how guilty he sounded at
the Shrieking Shack - that Black had indeed killed the Potters and
Peter. Getting a letter saying that Peter was a rat had meant nothing
as he thought he was dead and perhaps had considered some act of
desperation or a trap.

Also, there is the case that Sirius didn't have an owl at that time. He
got Pig when the trio was returning to London.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254099 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:16
Christian Winter  
drusilla schrieb:
> Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>
>> Christian Winter wrote:
>>> Sirius didn't have an owl at this time to send a letter to Harry,
>>
>> Pigwidgeon says, "Hi.". (and poops on your shoulder).
>>
> It looks like he got Pig after his encounter with Harry.

Yes, I read it this way too.

-Chris
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254100 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:45
Toon  
On Wed, 03 May 2006 23:10:07 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:

>Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
>> Christian Winter wrote:
>>
>>> Sirius didn't have an owl at this time to send a letter to Harry,
>>
>> Pigwidgeon says, "Hi.". (and poops on your shoulder).
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
>
>It looks like he got Pig after his encounter with Harry.

I agree. After Ron lost Scabbers, he felt he owed the boy a new
familiar. So he got Pig (for whatever reason that seemed like a good
idea.)
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #254102 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:52
Toon  
On Wed, 3 May 2006 20:09:42 +0100, pooter <a [at] bff.com> wrote:

>Toon [toon [at] toon.com] said
>> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
>> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
>> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
>> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
>>
>Perhaps next time JK could leave out the whole plot and save us the
>bother of reading the book at all. :-)


Not really. I inadvertently peaked at the end, and saw the letter from
Sirius to Harry. I figured he had changed his ways due to the course
of the book, and was apologizing for all the trouble he had caused. I
never thought framed.

In fact, Harry knowing the truth could have made the rest of Sirius'
similar actions all the more interesting. DD isn't quite convinced,
Sirius strives to prove his innocence. When Ron wakes up screaming
that Sirius is attacking him, Harry begins to doubt Sirius' story.
Perhaps he's targeting Harry's friends as well. The longer he works
in the shadows, the more Harry comes to realize he had been had. Hermy
and Ron refuse to believe Sirius told the truth. Conflict and tension
arise. Lupin's convinced history is accurate, then the truth comes
out.

Granted, not quite as thrilling as what we got, but bearable. and
Sirius looks even more insane. Is the Firebolt safe? if Sirius is
truly innocent, why is he acting so erratic for? A whole mystery of
his behavior and truth unfolds.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #261806 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 12:24
DM  
drusilla wrote:
> DM escribió:
>
>> Toon wrote:
>>
>>> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
>>> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
>>> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
>>> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure that moment was the right time. Perhaps Sirius intended
>> to do that but then the Knight Bus came along...
>>
>> One of my peeves about PoA is that, for a entire school year, Sirius
>> never *tried* to appeal his innocence. Not to Harry, not to Lupin or
>> Dumbledore. All he did was act like a maniac going after Scabbers. I
>> just don't accept his state of mind was such he was out of it. He was
>> clear headed enough to track Scabbers to Hogwarts, swing by Pivet
>> Drive to see Harry, watch Quidditch matches, arrange for a Firebolt to
>> be sent to Harry, etc.
>>
> I suppose it could have been quite hard to get any closer to DD. He
> spent - at that time - mostly of his time inside his office. How to get
> there and not being seen? And even if he managed to reach the office,
> it's not that he had been able to enter as he didn't have the password.
>
> Harry was quite protected by everybody, so, he was never alone to give
> her time to explain. Probably, whoever was with him, had run for it and
> alert people.
>
> And Lupin, he knew and was sure - as said for how guilty he sounded at
> the Shrieking Shack - that Black had indeed killed the Potters and
> Peter. Getting a letter saying that Peter was a rat had meant nothing
> as he thought he was dead and perhaps had considered some act of
> desperation or a trap.
>
> Also, there is the case that Sirius didn't have an owl at that time. He
> got Pig when the trio was returning to London.

He bought a Firebolt! How much more difficult would it have been to
swipe a few rolls of parchment and quill, and then hired post owls to
deliver messages? If he could break into the boys' dormitory, why
couldn't he have snuck up to the owlery and borrowed an owl? In ten
months, I think he could have done *something* to plant seeds of doubt.

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Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #261883 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 09:57
Toon  
On Thu, 04 May 2006 10:24:57 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:

>drusilla wrote:
>> DM escribió:
>>
>>> Toon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
>>>> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
>>>> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
>>>> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that moment was the right time. Perhaps Sirius intended
>>> to do that but then the Knight Bus came along...
>>>
>>> One of my peeves about PoA is that, for a entire school year, Sirius
>>> never *tried* to appeal his innocence. Not to Harry, not to Lupin or
>>> Dumbledore. All he did was act like a maniac going after Scabbers. I
>>> just don't accept his state of mind was such he was out of it. He was
>>> clear headed enough to track Scabbers to Hogwarts, swing by Pivet
>>> Drive to see Harry, watch Quidditch matches, arrange for a Firebolt to
>>> be sent to Harry, etc.
>>>
>> I suppose it could have been quite hard to get any closer to DD. He
>> spent - at that time - mostly of his time inside his office. How to get
>> there and not being seen? And even if he managed to reach the office,
>> it's not that he had been able to enter as he didn't have the password.
>>
>> Harry was quite protected by everybody, so, he was never alone to give
>> her time to explain. Probably, whoever was with him, had run for it and
>> alert people.
>>
>> And Lupin, he knew and was sure - as said for how guilty he sounded at
>> the Shrieking Shack - that Black had indeed killed the Potters and
>> Peter. Getting a letter saying that Peter was a rat had meant nothing
>> as he thought he was dead and perhaps had considered some act of
>> desperation or a trap.
>>
>> Also, there is the case that Sirius didn't have an owl at that time. He
>> got Pig when the trio was returning to London.
>
>He bought a Firebolt! How much more difficult would it have been to
>swipe a few rolls of parchment and quill, and then hired post owls to
>deliver messages? If he could break into the boys' dormitory, why
>couldn't he have snuck up to the owlery and borrowed an owl? In ten
>months, I think he could have done *something* to plant seeds of doubt.

He could have drank a lot in winter, and spelled out Give Me The Rat
in the snow.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #261910 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 20:37
tbarry22  
Toon wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2006 10:24:57 GMT, DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >drusilla wrote:
> >> DM escribi=F3:
> >>
> >>> Toon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Instead of spying on him in dog form, he should have approached him,
> >>>> and explained the situation. Harry could have sent Hedwig to DD, and
> >>>> Siirus could have told Harry to signal the Knightbus even. The fact
> >>>> Sirius didn't kill him on site would be strong evidence in his favor.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure that moment was the right time. Perhaps Sirius intended
> >>> to do that but then the Knight Bus came along...
> >>>
> >>> One of my peeves about PoA is that, for a entire school year, Sirius
> >>> never *tried* to appeal his innocence. Not to Harry, not to Lupin or
> >>> Dumbledore. All he did was act like a maniac going after Scabbers. I
> >>> just don't accept his state of mind was such he was out of it. He was
> >>> clear headed enough to track Scabbers to Hogwarts, swing by Pivet
> >>> Drive to see Harry, watch Quidditch matches, arrange for a Firebolt to
> >>> be sent to Harry, etc.
> >>>
> >> I suppose it could have been quite hard to get any closer to DD. He
> >> spent - at that time - mostly of his time inside his office. How to get
> >> there and not being seen? And even if he managed to reach the office,
> >> it's not that he had been able to enter as he didn't have the password.
> >>
> >> Harry was quite protected by everybody, so, he was never alone to give
> >> her time to explain. Probably, whoever was with him, had run for it and
> >> alert people.
> >>
> >> And Lupin, he knew and was sure - as said for how guilty he sounded at
> >> the Shrieking Shack - that Black had indeed killed the Potters and
> >> Peter. Getting a letter saying that Peter was a rat had meant nothing
> >> as he thought he was dead and perhaps had considered some act of
> >> desperation or a trap.
> >>
> >> Also, there is the case that Sirius didn't have an owl at that time. He
> >> got Pig when the trio was returning to London.
> >
> >He bought a Firebolt! How much more difficult would it have been to
> >swipe a few rolls of parchment and quill, and then hired post owls to
> >deliver messages? If he could break into the boys' dormitory, why
> >couldn't he have snuck up to the owlery and borrowed an owl? In ten
> >months, I think he could have done *something* to plant seeds of doubt.
>
> He could have drank a lot in winter, and spelled out Give Me The Rat
> in the snow.

Sirius had NO proof to show anyone that he was telling the truth.
Until Lupin actually saw Peter's name on the map, it's doubtful that he
would have believed anything Sirius said to him. Also, lest we forget,
Sirius was in Azkaban for what? 12 years? While he didn't succomb to
the place like the others due to his being an animagus, the isolation,
the lonliness, and the nature of what dementors are would have had a
huge impact on his behavior. There isn't one person who would have
believed anything he said.
Re: Sirius Should Have Talked To Harry [message #262470 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 10:55
dsueme  
Dumbledore's Man wrote:

> I think this answers it.

Succinct. Well put.

Dave
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