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Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253435] Do, 27 April 2006 17:09
Magic_mom  
Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"?? And
wouldn't even Voldemort, well before HBP, know that the Weasleys are
important to Harry, not just Ginny, but all of them, enough so that any
of them could be used to try and get to Harry, which makes his *grand
sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??

M_m
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253444 ] Do, 27 April 2006 18:54
Helena Bowles  
"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146150546.669235.292420 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
> Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
> saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"?? And
> wouldn't even Voldemort, well before HBP, know that the Weasleys are
> important to Harry, not just Ginny, but all of them, enough so that any
> of them could be used to try and get to Harry, which makes his *grand
> sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??

Harry Potter channels Peter Parker.... The only thing that gives me any
tolerance for this nonsense is that it is bracketted closely with the
Hospital Scene where we see two examples of women refusing to give in to
this idea: Fleur who tells Mrs Weasley that any disavantages Bill now has as
a prospective husband are irrelevant and Tonks who finally convinces Lupin,
who has been giving her a very similar line to what Harry says to Ginny,
that he is talking nonsense. This possibly suggests Ginny won't continue to
be as uncharacteristically meek as she was in that scene.

As you say the whole thing is pointless. The whole year knew they were
dating, it can't be too difficult to work out that Harry is close to all the
Weasleys... It's idiotic, especially given Harry needs all the support he
can get...

One thing that I wonder about is the wedding. When Harry dumped Ginny it
seems clear that he didn't expect to see her again until Ron reminded him
about Bill's wedding. I wonder how his resolve will hold up when he sees
Ginny again?
Helena
>
> M_m
>
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253453 ] Do, 27 April 2006 23:53
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253454 ] Do, 27 April 2006 23:55
alunlpalmer  
Let's just hope it doesn't hold up too well atall. This is JKR's worst
plot line ever.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253459 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 00:37
Ken  
Magic_mom wrote:
> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?

because he knows that Harry can't do it alone.

> Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
> saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"??

Why would Voldy know that he told them?

And wouldn't even Voldemort, well before HBP, know that the Weasleys are
> important to Harry, not just Ginny, but all of them, enough so that
> any of them could be used to try and get to Harry,

Agreed

which makes his
> *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>
> M_m

what grand sacrifice?

Ken
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253460 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 02:50
Magic_mom  
>
> which makes his
> > *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
> >
> > M_m
>
> what grand sacrifice?
>
> Ken

*Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
him.

M_m
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253461 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 03:18
scenario_dave  
Magic_mom wrote:
> >
> > which makes his
> > > *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
> > >
> > > M_m
> >
> > what grand sacrifice?
> >
> > Ken
>
> *Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
> him.
>
> M_m

Harry Potter is a sixteen year old guy who always wants to be the noble
hero. Of course he'll try to save his friends pain if he can.

Harry doesn't appear to be very introspective. He runs with his
emotions and doesn't think too much when his friends are in danger. He
already got one friend killed because he didn't stop to think before he
jumped into action and he doesn't want to kill another one so he is
being way to cautious.

It may not make much sense but people do act irrationally when it comes
to people they care about and Harry is frequently guilty of that.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253468 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 06:27
drusilla  
Magic_mom escribió:
>
>> which makes his
>>> *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>>>
>>> M_m
>> what grand sacrifice?
>>
>> Ken
>
> *Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
> him.
>
> M_m

As someone wisely pointed out, voldemort is not going to spare her life
just because Harry broke up with her. The same thing about Ron and
Hermione: they are in danger too but they are still there even ready to
fight at his side. In fact, everyone around Harry is in danger: The
weasleys, the Hogwarts stuff...
Silly Harry...
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253478 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 09:06
kilroy  
"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146150546.669235.292420 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
> Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
> saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"?? And
> wouldn't even Voldemort, well before HBP, know that the Weasleys are
> important to Harry, not just Ginny, but all of them, enough so that any
> of them could be used to try and get to Harry, which makes his *grand
> sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>
> M_m
>
I think the answer is simple: Dumbledore knows that Harry will need the help
and support of his friends in order to finish what needs to be done. So, it
will be necessary for Harry to confide in them all that he has learned.

Harry needing Ron and Hermione's help is something that we have seen in all
of the books. Harry, while finishing the job on his own, has only been able
to succeed with the help of Ron and Hermione. Dumbledore would have to know
the role they played in helping Harry to succeed, and he knows that Harry
will once again need their help to find all of the horcruxes and defeat
Voldemort.

That, or Dumbledore know that Harry will confide in them anyway, so there's
no point in trying to prevent him from doing this. Personally, I prefer the
first answer.
--
Kilroy was here.
"Always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to
yours." - Yogi Berra
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253484 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 09:46
Toon  
On 27 Apr 2006 08:09:06 -0700, "Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
>information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
>Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
>saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"?? And
>wouldn't even Voldemort, well before HBP, know that the Weasleys are
>important to Harry, not just Ginny, but all of them, enough so that any
>of them could be used to try and get to Harry, which makes his *grand
>sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>
>M_m

No, he doesn't have friends, what does she know about Harry's friends.
He does see love as a weakness, and will use that if he can.

DD wants the Trio to know because Harry will needs his friends.
Especially since DD was going to be killed that year. Hermione will
be a big help. If anyone can learn to trace magic quickly, it's her.

Harry's greatest asset/weapon is love. He needs his friends with him
to experience thta love. He can't do it alone. It's why he really
does need Ginny. Possibly to sacrifice herself. Possibly to feed off
her love to win. Remember, DD told Harry again and again in OOP not
to go off by himself. To stay put at his Aunt's, where he has a home
via mom's blood/love. He wanted him at 12GP, to be with his friends,
who love him. Not wandering aimlessly around alone.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253485 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 09:49
Toon  
On 27 Apr 2006 18:18:55 -0700, "scenario_dave"
<scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Magic_mom wrote:
>> >
>> > which makes his
>> > > *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>> > >
>> > > M_m
>> >
>> > what grand sacrifice?
>> >
>> > Ken
>>
>> *Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
>> him.
>>
>> M_m
>
>Harry Potter is a sixteen year old guy who always wants to be the noble
>hero. Of course he'll try to save his friends pain if he can.
>
>Harry doesn't appear to be very introspective. He runs with his
>emotions and doesn't think too much when his friends are in danger. He
>already got one friend killed because he didn't stop to think before he
>jumped into action and he doesn't want to kill another one so he is
>being way to cautious.
>
>It may not make much sense but people do act irrationally when it comes
>to people they care about and Harry is frequently guilty of that.

And when has a male ever acted rationally concerning a female.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253486 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 09:49
Toon  
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:27:38 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:

>Magic_mom escribió:
>>
>>> which makes his
>>>> *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>>>>
>>>> M_m
>>> what grand sacrifice?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>> *Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
>> him.
>>
>> M_m
>
>As someone wisely pointed out, voldemort is not going to spare her life
>just because Harry broke up with her. The same thing about Ron and
>Hermione: they are in danger too but they are still there even ready to
>fight at his side. In fact, everyone around Harry is in danger: The
>weasleys, the Hogwarts stuff...
>Silly Harry...

tricks are for wizards.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253495 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 10:20
dsueme  
Magic_mom wrote:
> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?

JKR had to do that because Ron and Hermione are in serious danger of
being completely irrelevant in this book. Unlike the previous books,
it isn't Ron and Hermy with Harry at the big crisis, it's Dumbledore.
Indeed, it's pretty much Harry and Dumbledore on all the important
expeditions.

But Ron and Hermy have a built-up constituency and JKR can't afford to
throw all that away. So she's got to keep the "trio" going somehow.
The (rather weak) answer to that is to have Harry regale his friends
with spine-tingling accounts of his most recent exploits.

HP6 is just [insert favorite expletive] awful, isn't it?

Dave
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253497 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 10:23
dicconf  
In article <L9j4g.26365$%N2.5191 [at] trnddc08>,
Kilroy <kilroy1941 [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1146150546.669235.292420 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
>> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?

>> Wouldn't that be the same as putting a huge neon sign over their heads
>> saying "Hey Voldy I know about the prophecy, come and get me!!"??

At this point, the prophecy is moot. Voldemort believes in it, Harry
knows better but that isn't going to stop Voldemort. Unless Voldemort
reads Harry's mind, he won't know who else has been told. If he does
read Harry's mind, then he'll know the rest of the prophecy anyway.

<snip>
>I think the answer is simple: Dumbledore knows that Harry will need the help
>and support of his friends in order to finish what needs to be done. So, it
>will be necessary for Harry to confide in them all that he has learned.

>Harry needing Ron and Hermione's help is something that we have seen in all
>of the books. Harry, while finishing the job on his own, has only been able
>to succeed with the help of Ron and Hermione. Dumbledore would have to know
>the role they played in helping Harry to succeed, and he knows that Harry
>will once again need their help to find all of the horcruxes and defeat
>Voldemort.

>That, or Dumbledore know that Harry will confide in them anyway, so there's
>no point in trying to prevent him from doing this. Personally, I prefer the
>first answer.

There's another element. Ron and Hermione are already 17, which makes them
adults in wizard terms, legally able to decide whether or not to do something
dangerous. As soon as Harry has his birthday, the whole Trio will be of age
in wizard terms. Ginny is not yet of age in wizard terms, though she probably
will be soon afterward.

=Tamar
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253546 ] Fr, 28 April 2006 20:24
Matt Clara  
"Richard Eney" <dicconf [at] radix.net> wrote in message
news:1253k8ak5ldqvc7 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> In article <L9j4g.26365$%N2.5191 [at] trnddc08>,
>
>As soon as Harry has his birthday, the whole Trio will be of age
> in wizard terms. Ginny is not yet of age in wizard terms, though she
probably
> will be soon afterward.
>

Yes, we all love the forbidden fruit...
;-)

--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253587 ] Sa, 29 April 2006 01:47
drusilla  
Toon escribió:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:27:38 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>
>> Magic_mom escribió:
>>>> which makes his
>>>>> *grand sacrifice* at the end even more pointless??
>>>>>
>>>>> M_m
>>>> what grand sacrifice?
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>> *Breaking up* with Ginny so that Voldemort wouldn't use her to get to
>>> him.
>>>
>>> M_m
>> As someone wisely pointed out, voldemort is not going to spare her life
>> just because Harry broke up with her. The same thing about Ron and
>> Hermione: they are in danger too but they are still there even ready to
>> fight at his side. In fact, everyone around Harry is in danger: The
>> weasleys, the Hogwarts stuff...
>> Silly Harry...
>
> tricks are for wizards.

Actually, tricks are for muggles who can't figure out where had your
wallet and cellphone gone when you show your empty pockets ;)
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253588 ] Sa, 29 April 2006 01:52
drusilla  
David Sueme escribió:
> Magic_mom wrote:
>> Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
>> information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
>
> JKR had to do that because Ron and Hermione are in serious danger of
> being completely irrelevant in this book. Unlike the previous books,
> it isn't Ron and Hermy with Harry at the big crisis, it's Dumbledore.
> Indeed, it's pretty much Harry and Dumbledore on all the important
> expeditions.

Yet, I think that many fans think they were important as they are
pleased that Hermione and Ron now have a relationship (or something like
that). Personally, I don't care about them, but I can't say I wasn't
happy for the both of them.

> But Ron and Hermy have a built-up constituency and JKR can't afford to
> throw all that away. So she's got to keep the "trio" going somehow.
> The (rather weak) answer to that is to have Harry regale his friends
> with spine-tingling accounts of his most recent exploits.

But Harry has always shared information with them, in all books, so,
there is no much difference. Whatsoever, we know that they were able to
fight the DE along with the order.

> HP6 is just [insert favorite expletive] awful, isn't it?
>

<rolls eyes>Yes, David, it is...
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #253731 ] So, 30 April 2006 21:43
sjmcarter  
OT: NEVER try to rob an illusionist! LOL, gotta love David
Copperfield.
Re: Something else about HBP that bugs me.. [message #265218 ] Sa, 13 Mai 2006 15:33
Thomas Madura  
David Sueme wrote:

> Magic_mom wrote:
>
>>Why would Dumbledore make such a point of telling Harry to share
>>information, specifically about the prophecy, with Ron and Harmione?
>
>
> JKR had to do that because Ron and Hermione are in serious danger of
> being completely irrelevant in this book. Unlike the previous books,
> it isn't Ron and Hermy with Harry at the big crisis, it's Dumbledore.
> Indeed, it's pretty much Harry and Dumbledore on all the important
> expeditions.
>
> But Ron and Hermy have a built-up constituency and JKR can't afford to
> throw all that away. So she's got to keep the "trio" going somehow.
> The (rather weak) answer to that is to have Harry regale his friends
> with spine-tingling accounts of his most recent exploits.
>
> HP6 is just [insert favorite expletive] awful, isn't it?
>
> Dave
>


I would have thought that Hermione and Ron seem to work well with Harry
when they have to figure out a puzzle - like where the Horcruxes are.

I don't think SS would have been as good if only Harry alone went to
save the stone.

I think DD recognizes that the three of them work together well and feed
off each other for ideas.
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