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Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253411]

Do, 27 April 2006 13:25

cspirit

Hi all,
JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
attention.

Following is the snippet from the interview:
'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
again. There you go.'

Really, what would his boggart be?
Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
from his past?

*What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?

Awaiting your answers and explanations...

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253412 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 13:45

Mindi

Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...

Possibly his error hurting another? Not sure what that would look like
though.

Mindi

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253420 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 14:22

Dumbledore's Man wrote:

> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...
>

Snape not going along with "The Plan."

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Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253434 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 16:42

Murphoid

Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...

We can rule out a pair of woolen socks. That narrows it down.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253436 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 17:22

BaJoRi

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253438 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 17:41

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-04-27 07:25:33 -0400, "Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com> said:

> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...

He is a trusting man. He trusts and give chances where all others would not.

His greatest fear is to have that trust betrayed.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253442 ]

Do, 27 April 2006 18:37

Helena Bowles

"Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146137132.985621.322210 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...

Look at the potion scene again. Dumbledore is weak and *afraid*. He makes
several incoherent statements including:

"No...Ican't...I can't... don't make me, I don't want to..."

"It's all my fault, all my fault... please make it stop, I know I did wrong,
oh, please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
and
"Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me
instead..."

These statements point to Dd feeling a huge amount of guilt either about an
event in the past or an imagined one. I'd vote for Dd envisioning a scenario
where the students under his care come to harm because of him.

Incidentally I *really* wonder how they're going to film that one.
Helena
>

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253458 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 00:34

pooter

Helena Bowles [helena.bowles [at] tiscali.co.uk] said
>
> "Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146137132.985621.322210 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > Hi all,
> > JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> > While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> > attention.
> >
> > Following is the snippet from the interview:
> > 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> > JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> > again. There you go.'
> >
> > Really, what would his boggart be?
> > Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> > to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> > from his past?
> >
> > *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
> >
> > Awaiting your answers and explanations...
>
> Look at the potion scene again. Dumbledore is weak and *afraid*. He makes
> several incoherent statements including:
>
> "No...Ican't...I can't... don't make me, I don't want to..."
>
> "It's all my fault, all my fault... please make it stop, I know I did wrong,
> oh, please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
> and
> "Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me
> instead..."
>
> These statements point to Dd feeling a huge amount of guilt either about an
> event in the past or an imagined one. I'd vote for Dd envisioning a scenario
> where the students under his care come to harm because of him.
>
> Incidentally I *really* wonder how they're going to film that one.
> Helena

They will probably just leave it out....

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253463 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 03:24

Neener

Helena Bowles wrote:

> Look at the potion scene again. Dumbledore is weak and *afraid*. He makes
> several incoherent statements including:
>
> "No...Ican't...I can't... don't make me, I don't want to..."
>
> "It's all my fault, all my fault... please make it stop, I know I did wrong,
> oh, please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
> and
> "Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me
> instead..."
>
> These statements point to Dd feeling a huge amount of guilt either about an
> event in the past or an imagined one. I'd vote for Dd envisioning a scenario
> where the students under his care come to harm because of him.
>
> Incidentally I *really* wonder how they're going to film that one.
> Helena
> >

We can't really say with any degree of certainty that DD was speaking
as himself or for himself, though, can we? It's entirely possible that
the words belonged to someone else, and the potion forced DD to utter
them. A sort of possession, if you will.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253492 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 10:02

Toon

On 27 Apr 2006 04:25:33 -0700, "Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi all,
>JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
>While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
>attention.
>
>Following is the snippet from the interview:
>'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
>JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
>again. There you go.'
>
>Really, what would his boggart be?
>Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
>to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
>from his past?
>
>*What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
>Awaiting your answers and explanations...

Lack of warm socks.

Like Hermione, failure. Or like Molly, dead people. Or drinking that
potion.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253500 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 11:03

richard e white

Dumbledore's Man wrote:

> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?
>
> Awaiting your answers and explanations...

I think it is other people being hert or killed because of his actions.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253504 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 12:22

Helena Bowles

"Neener" <ninasown [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1146187474.768352.258630 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Helena Bowles wrote:
>
>> Look at the potion scene again. Dumbledore is weak and *afraid*. He makes
>> several incoherent statements including:
>>
>> "No...Ican't...I can't... don't make me, I don't want to..."
>>
>> "It's all my fault, all my fault... please make it stop, I know I did
>> wrong,
>> oh, please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
>> and
>> "Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me
>> instead..."
>>
>> These statements point to Dd feeling a huge amount of guilt either about
>> an
>> event in the past or an imagined one. I'd vote for Dd envisioning a
>> scenario
>> where the students under his care come to harm because of him.
>>
>> Incidentally I *really* wonder how they're going to film that one.
>> Helena
>> >
>
> We can't really say with any degree of certainty that DD was speaking
> as himself or for himself, though, can we? It's entirely possible that
> the words belonged to someone else, and the potion forced DD to utter
> them. A sort of possession, if you will.

No, you're right, all of this is pure speculation. OTOH this did seem to be
what the original poster is asking for...
Helena
>

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253507 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 13:51

cspirit

I particularly liked the post stating
'He is a trusting man, his biggest fear is to have that trust
betrayed.'

One thing is sure, we will know more about Dumbledore in book7. Also,
the 'gleam of triumph' (book4) will be explained.

Incidently, regarding Dumbledore (and i am aware that i am taking the
discussion in entirely another direction)
I really respected the man before; at one point he was my most
favourite character.
But of late, some of this respect has vanished.
I mean, what has he actually DONE? In book1, it is strongly hinted that
he had put the trio at risk.
In book2, the Chamber of Secrets is opened. Students are getting
petrified. Dumbledore exactly knows the danger. He knows that one of
the most powerful wizards of all time is behind this. He knows that the
same monster had already killed a student. What is he waiting for? For
someone else to die? The first thing i'd have done is to close the
school and send everyone home. He leaves the school when Governers sack
him. He comes back when they send him owls and what he does? simply
waits in McGonagol's office. I mean, if his bird can find the way to
chamber, surely he too can. He has enough courage to face voldy. then
why, WHY doesn't he DO anything?

It is always said that Dumbledore is working against Voldemort. What
has he DONE? What his doings have achieved? To me, Order appears as a
feeble form of resistance. They never go on offensive. They never hunt
down death eaters. They never go after voldy. Not even Dumbledore. To
me, Dumbledore appears content with whatever he is doing. content with
the fact that his school is safe.

In book6, he allows a murder(draco) to roam inside his school. He
doesn't do anything eventhough two students almost die in draco's
attempts.

Guys,
I am deeply troubled by all these questions and thoughts. It is
shattering to think that THE Dumbledore is after all, not that great.
Please post back...

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253525 ]

Fr, 28 April 2006 16:13

Ken

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253593 ]

Sa, 29 April 2006 02:13

wadkin2000

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253594 ]

Sa, 29 April 2006 02:13

wadkin2000

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253595 ]

Sa, 29 April 2006 02:13

wadkin2000

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #253630 ]

Sa, 29 April 2006 10:16

Toon

On 28 Apr 2006 04:51:30 -0700, "Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>I particularly liked the post stating
>'He is a trusting man, his biggest fear is to have that trust
>betrayed.'
>
>One thing is sure, we will know more about Dumbledore in book7. Also,
>the 'gleam of triumph' (book4) will be explained.
>
>Incidently, regarding Dumbledore (and i am aware that i am taking the
>discussion in entirely another direction)
>I really respected the man before; at one point he was my most
>favourite character.
>But of late, some of this respect has vanished.
>I mean, what has he actually DONE? In book1, it is strongly hinted that
>he had put the trio at risk.
>In book2, the Chamber of Secrets is opened. Students are getting
>petrified. Dumbledore exactly knows the danger. He knows that one of
>the most powerful wizards of all time is behind this. He knows that the
>same monster had already killed a student. What is he waiting for? For
>someone else to die? The first thing i'd have done is to close the
>school and send everyone home. He leaves the school when Governers sack
>him. He comes back when they send him owls and what he does? simply
>waits in McGonagol's office. I mean, if his bird can find the way to
>chamber, surely he too can. He has enough courage to face voldy. then
>why, WHY doesn't he DO anything?
>
>It is always said that Dumbledore is working against Voldemort. What
>has he DONE? What his doings have achieved? To me, Order appears as a
>feeble form of resistance. They never go on offensive. They never hunt
>down death eaters. They never go after voldy. Not even Dumbledore. To
>me, Dumbledore appears content with whatever he is doing. content with
>the fact that his school is safe.
>
>In book6, he allows a murder(draco) to roam inside his school. He
>doesn't do anything eventhough two students almost die in draco's
>attempts.
>
>Guys,
>I am deeply troubled by all these questions and thoughts. It is
>shattering to think that THE Dumbledore is after all, not that great.
>Please post back...

I guess the old excuse he's training Harry for the final battle might
apply.

I think he's been learning about Voldemort. Learning his past,
gathering memories, trying to find his weakness so Harry can win. Fra
easier if he's just a terrifying presence, than an active agent.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #265219 ]

Sa, 13 Mai 2006 15:56

Thomas Madura

Dumbledore's Man wrote:

> I particularly liked the post stating
> 'He is a trusting man, his biggest fear is to have that trust
> betrayed.'
>
> One thing is sure, we will know more about Dumbledore in book7. Also,
> the 'gleam of triumph' (book4) will be explained.
>
> Incidently, regarding Dumbledore (and i am aware that i am taking the
> discussion in entirely another direction)
> I really respected the man before; at one point he was my most
> favourite character.
> But of late, some of this respect has vanished.
> I mean, what has he actually DONE? In book1, it is strongly hinted that
> he had put the trio at risk.
> In book2, the Chamber of Secrets is opened. Students are getting
> petrified. Dumbledore exactly knows the danger. He knows that one of
> the most powerful wizards of all time is behind this. He knows that the
> same monster had already killed a student. What is he waiting for? For
> someone else to die? The first thing i'd have done is to close the
> school and send everyone home. He leaves the school when Governers sack
> him. He comes back when they send him owls and what he does? simply
> waits in McGonagol's office. I mean, if his bird can find the way to
> chamber, surely he too can. He has enough courage to face voldy. then
> why, WHY doesn't he DO anything?
>
> It is always said that Dumbledore is working against Voldemort. What
> has he DONE? What his doings have achieved? To me, Order appears as a
> feeble form of resistance. They never go on offensive. They never hunt
> down death eaters. They never go after voldy. Not even Dumbledore. To
> me, Dumbledore appears content with whatever he is doing. content with
> the fact that his school is safe.
>
> In book6, he allows a murder(draco) to roam inside his school. He
> doesn't do anything eventhough two students almost die in draco's
> attempts.
>
> Guys,
> I am deeply troubled by all these questions and thoughts. It is
> shattering to think that THE Dumbledore is after all, not that great.
> Please post back...
>

No - Dumbledore was never really weak.

1 - He was Injured - almost died according to him.
2 - He is old.

WHile the first really only explains what happened at the end of HBP,
the fact that he is old explains a lot more.

Everyone gets more sentimental and forgetful as they get older. THey
also are unable to do the things they were once able to do. THe fact
that DD was able to go head to head with V at th MOM indicates that he
was a very powerful wizard - probably more so than V. However - DD was
much younger when he fought Grindewald - and somehow I believe he was
using his past experience to cloud the issues with V. (I believe that
DD's reluctance to allow the subject of Horcruxes to be taught at
Hogwarts is because he had some past experience with them.)

As far as going after the DE's = apparently some - including Malfoy -
were arrested and taken to Azkhaban - but when the guards left their
posts - they escaped. Of what purpose would it be to round them up again
if you cannot contain them.

I think the porphecy is the problem here.

DD was the person who heard the prophecy - and saw what happened to
Trelawney when she said it. Based on that - he probably believes the
prophecy will come true - even if he tells Harry that it is his choice.

That means - DD is not the one who has the power to vanquish the dark
lord - among other things.

Imagine telling the greatest good Wizard of the age that he will not
have the ability to do so - must have been quite a shock. That would
mean that everytime DD got into a fight with V - he knew that HE could
not win it.

He also knew now that Harry was destined to fight the final fight with
V. Harry certainly was not in a position to protect himself until he was
old and powerful enough to do so. So - DD treated him like a nourturing
parent - trying to protect Harry at every turn. Keeping information from
him to allow his to "grow up" first. Thinking that the protection of the
Dursleys and Hogwarts would be good enough - after all - he set this in
motion to do just that.

WOuld you tell a 12year old who never really heard of being a Wizard
before the letters - that he was destined to fight the most powerful
dark wizard of the age - a number of times - even before he was of age.
I think that is information you would have likely kept back until the
boy was older if you could.

Even as Harry grew older - DD's age still made it seem that Harry wasn't
"adult" enough to be ready. I don't think DD ever seriously thought that
Malfoy really had it in him to be a murderer - bullys rarely are.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #265251 ]

So, 14 Mai 2006 15:25

Alex Clark

Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> Hi all,
> JKR did an interview with mugglenet & TLC on the night of HBP Release.
> While i was re-reading that interview today, something caught my
> attention.
>
> Following is the snippet from the interview:
> 'ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?
> JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six
> again. There you go.'
>
> Really, what would his boggart be?
> Harry's death or damage to school and his students? Something related
> to Snape or to Draco or to Voldemort? Or his own death? or something
> from his past?
>
> *What* is it that 'the most powerful wizard in the world' afraid of?

Snape and Harry casting AK at each other.

Or, to switch to a more current topic, the Weasley twins. :-)

--
Alex Clark

I am Dr. Love Rot Mold (an anagram rejected by Tom Riddle)

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #267695 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 02:32

richard e white

Thom Madura wrote:

> Dumbledore's Man wrote:
>
> > I particularly liked the post stating
> > 'He is a trusting man, his biggest fear is to have that trust
> > betrayed.'
> >
> > One thing is sure, we will know more about Dumbledore in book7. Also,
> > the 'gleam of triumph' (book4) will be explained.
> >
> > Incidently, regarding Dumbledore (and i am aware that i am taking the
> > discussion in entirely another direction)
> > I really respected the man before; at one point he was my most
> > favourite character.
> > But of late, some of this respect has vanished.
> > I mean, what has he actually DONE? In book1, it is strongly hinted that
> > he had put the trio at risk.
> > In book2, the Chamber of Secrets is opened. Students are getting
> > petrified. Dumbledore exactly knows the danger. He knows that one of
> > the most powerful wizards of all time is behind this. He knows that the
> > same monster had already killed a student. What is he waiting for? For
> > someone else to die? The first thing i'd have done is to close the
> > school and send everyone home. He leaves the school when Governers sack
> > him. He comes back when they send him owls and what he does? simply
> > waits in McGonagol's office. I mean, if his bird can find the way to
> > chamber, surely he too can. He has enough courage to face voldy. then
> > why, WHY doesn't he DO anything?
> >
> > It is always said that Dumbledore is working against Voldemort. What
> > has he DONE? What his doings have achieved? To me, Order appears as a
> > feeble form of resistance. They never go on offensive. They never hunt
> > down death eaters. They never go after voldy. Not even Dumbledore. To
> > me, Dumbledore appears content with whatever he is doing. content with
> > the fact that his school is safe.
> >
> > In book6, he allows a murder(draco) to roam inside his school. He
> > doesn't do anything eventhough two students almost die in draco's
> > attempts.
> >
> > Guys,
> > I am deeply troubled by all these questions and thoughts. It is
> > shattering to think that THE Dumbledore is after all, not that great.
> > Please post back...
> >
>
> No - Dumbledore was never really weak.
>
> 1 - He was Injured - almost died according to him.
> 2 - He is old.
>
> WHile the first really only explains what happened at the end of HBP,
> the fact that he is old explains a lot more.
>
> Everyone gets more sentimental and forgetful as they get older. THey
> also are unable to do the things they were once able to do. THe fact
> that DD was able to go head to head with V at th MOM indicates that he
> was a very powerful wizard - probably more so than V. However - DD was
> much younger when he fought Grindewald - and somehow I believe he was
> using his past experience to cloud the issues with V.

I think your right there. and his past combat most likely told him that the
AK has it's weak points. He made good use of them at the end of book 5

> (I believe that
> DD's reluctance to allow the subject of Horcruxes to be taught at
> Hogwarts is because he had some past experience with them.)

I would not be surprised at that. But it may be just that he loathed the
idea of it and wanted to keep the whole idea about horcurxs away from weak
people.

>
> As far as going after the DE's = apparently some - including Malfoy -
> were arrested and taken to Azkhaban - but when the guards left their
> posts - they escaped.

Where did you get that? Draco says his father would be out soon in book 5 to
taunt Harry. But Draco's daddy is still locked up all dureing book 6
V has not tried to get the ones cought in 5 out yet.

> Of what purpose would it be to round them up again
> if you cannot contain them.

They can be contained. The problem is that the poeple holding them are
riddled with spys.

>
>
> I think the porphecy is the problem here.
>
> DD was the person who heard the prophecy - and saw what happened to
> Trelawney when she said it. Based on that - he probably believes the
> prophecy will come true - even if he tells Harry that it is his choice.
>
> That means - DD is not the one who has the power to vanquish the dark
> lord - among other things.
>
> Imagine telling the greatest good Wizard of the age that he will not
> have the ability to do so - must have been quite a shock.

I don't think DD's ego was that big. He knew before that there were things
he couldn't do.

> That would
> mean that everytime DD got into a fight with V - he knew that HE could
> not win it.
>
> He also knew now that Harry was destined to fight the final fight with
> V. Harry certainly was not in a position to protect himself until he was
> old and powerful enough to do so. So - DD treated him like a nourturing
> parent - trying to protect Harry at every turn. Keeping information from
> him to allow his to "grow up" first. Thinking that the protection of the
> Dursleys and Hogwarts would be good enough - after all - he set this in
> motion to do just that.
>
> WOuld you tell a 12year old who never really heard of being a Wizard
> before the letters - that he was destined to fight the most powerful
> dark wizard of the age - a number of times - even before he was of age.
> I think that is information you would have likely kept back until the
> boy was older if you could.

Yes but I would have made sure that he was being taught better. And once he
proved he could handle advanced spells I would have made sure that he was
working on learning better combat spells. The spells don't have to kill to
win the day. And your idea of not telling harry about V ended at the end of
book one. from then on Harry knew he had some one out there who wanted to
kill him. True DD may have thought that V's come back was still far off.
But what happend in book two and three should have ended that idea. From
Harry's working on the protrenis on DD should have been helping with at least
what spell to work on learning next. And up to book 4 Harry showed
inprovment. But 5 had harry trying to get the others to his skills and 6
showed harry going no were at finding better spells.

> And still DD was hideing things to no point. most of the reasonn for
> hidding things ended in book for but DD spent two more years giveing
> information with an eye dropper.
>
> Even as Harry grew older - DD's age still made it seem that Harry wasn't
> "adult" enough to be ready. I don't think DD ever seriously thought that
> Malfoy really had it in him to be a murderer - bullys rarely are.

His bad tries nearly killed two people.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269656 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 18:51

Arran

BaJoRi said, "I have a feeling that the whole, "horcrux in the basin",
with DD drinking
that potion, the things he said are very important, somehow "

I couldn't agree more. It's like that green potion was "liquid
boggart". It's possible his worst fear was seen, heard, and felt in his
head as a potion-induced hallucination.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269657 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 18:54

Arran

Zolak of Twylo said, "He is a trusting man. He trusts and give chances
where all others would not. His greatest fear is to have that trust
betrayed."

That's also a good guess, but I hope it's a wrong one. 8..(

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269658 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 19:05

Onyx Alpha

Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> I particularly liked the post stating
> 'He is a trusting man, his biggest fear is to have that trust
> betrayed.'
>
> One thing is sure, we will know more about Dumbledore in book7. Also,
> the 'gleam of triumph' (book4) will be explained.
>
> Incidently, regarding Dumbledore (and i am aware that i am taking the
> discussion in entirely another direction)
> I really respected the man before; at one point he was my most
> favourite character.
> But of late, some of this respect has vanished.
> I mean, what has he actually DONE? In book1, it is strongly hinted that
> he had put the trio at risk.
> In book2, the Chamber of Secrets is opened. Students are getting
> petrified. Dumbledore exactly knows the danger. He knows that one of
> the most powerful wizards of all time is behind this. He knows that the
> same monster had already killed a student. What is he waiting for? For
> someone else to die? The first thing i'd have done is to close the
> school and send everyone home. He leaves the school when Governers sack
> him. He comes back when they send him owls and what he does? simply
> waits in McGonagol's office. I mean, if his bird can find the way to
> chamber, surely he too can. He has enough courage to face voldy. then
> why, WHY doesn't he DO anything?
>
> It is always said that Dumbledore is working against Voldemort. What
> has he DONE? What his doings have achieved? To me, Order appears as a
> feeble form of resistance. They never go on offensive. They never hunt
> down death eaters. They never go after voldy. Not even Dumbledore. To
> me, Dumbledore appears content with whatever he is doing. content with
> the fact that his school is safe.
>
> In book6, he allows a murder(draco) to roam inside his school. He
> doesn't do anything eventhough two students almost die in draco's
> attempts.
>
> Guys,
> I am deeply troubled by all these questions and thoughts. It is
> shattering to think that THE Dumbledore is after all, not that great.
> Please post back...

Maybe he doesn't quite know as much as we think he knows or maybe he
knew that Harry would be the one to fix it and he only secretly helped.
Maybe we haven't actually heard all of Trelawney's prediction either,
maybe there is something else like Harry versing Voldemort x amount of
times before the final battle. If that was the case then Harry has
survived facing Voldemort in books 1,2,4, and 5... I don't remember
about 6 though he didn't actually meet LV in that one did he? I think
Dumbledore and Snape may have planned his "death", there are a couple
of specualtions I have about this.

1.) I think maybe part of the prediction we are missing (I posted
earlier in this post about that) states that Dumbledore must die before
Harry can beat LV.
2.) They faked the whole thing so Dumbledore could go into hiding so
everyone thought he was dead except for Snape but he will appear at the
last moment to help.
3.) Maybe he really did die, Snape may have truly betrayed him to help
LV but why then did Snape not kill Harry at the end of book 6? Scabbers
was going to at one point. (I really don't think this one is the right
one but it is a possibility.) I don't think Snape would betray
Dumbledore no matter how much he hates James and Harry.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269666 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:04

Kish

AbendrothBlutjager wrote:
> Zolak of Twylo said, "He is a trusting man. He trusts and give chances
> where all others would not. His greatest fear is to have that trust
> betrayed."
>
> That's also a good guess, but I hope it's a wrong one. 8..(

Why?

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269672 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:39

Arran

Because that would suggest that his trust *was* betrayed...probably by
Snape, and I'm a Snape supporter, so I don't want that to be what Jo's
hinting at.... I'd much rather Dumbledore's fear be someone else
getting hurt because of his actions.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269674 ]

Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:53

Kish

AbendrothBlutjager wrote:
> Because that would suggest that his trust *was* betrayed...

What? Where are you getting the idea that what Dumbledore feared most
came true at some point? Whether his trust was betrayed is independent
of whether he feared it most. (After the end of book 6--avoiding
spoilers--I can't even see any thematic benefit to his worst fear having
come true.)

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269750 ]

Fr, 19 Mai 2006 18:06

Danno

All I have to say is, whoever the writer, producer and the director
are, if they play their cards right, and if Michael Gambon practices
the hell out of that scene. Michael Gambon is looking at Oscar, Golden
Globe, Palme d'Or, and whatever awards are out there.

That is an intense scene.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269753 ]

Fr, 19 Mai 2006 19:30

2000man

well now that he is an ex-wizard his depest desires and worse fears are
now moot points

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269754 ]

Fr, 19 Mai 2006 19:49

Danno

Who is an ex-wizard?

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269757 ]

Fr, 19 Mai 2006 20:00

Kish

Danno wrote:
> Who is an ex-wizard?
>

The parrot, of course.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269776 ]

Sa, 20 Mai 2006 03:50

Zolak of Twylo

On 2006-05-19 13:30:15 -0400, "2000man [at] wongfaye.com"
<2000man [at] wongfaye.com> said:

> well now that he is an ex-wizard his depest desires and worse fears are
> now moot points

No, it's not.

Reread the beginning of this thread. In an interview, JKR said
she couldn't say what DD's boggart would be, as though it would
give something away. She also said that HPB contained clues
as to what it would be.

Given all of this, knowing DD's boggart would probably give
away some plot details of the Book 7.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #269794 ]

Sa, 20 Mai 2006 09:50

Toon

On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:00:54 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>Danno wrote:
>> Who is an ex-wizard?
>>
>
>The parrot, of course.

The parrot's a Red Hering. An animagus, actually.

Re: Dumbledore's Boggart [message #270194 ]

So, 28 Mai 2006 03:16

richard e white

Danno wrote:

> All I have to say is, whoever the writer, producer and the director
> are, if they play their cards right, and if Michael Gambon practices
> the hell out of that scene. Michael Gambon is looking at Oscar, Golden
> Globe, Palme d'Or, and whatever awards are out there.
>
> That is an intense scene.

I bet they muff it.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

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