| Harry's Epiphany [message #253237] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 23:36 |
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At the end of PoA, when Harry realizes it was HE who drove the dementors
away, not his father, I read that scene as a very sobering, thoughtful
moment. It was a turning point wherein Harry realizes that he's not going to
be meeting his dad, and that he must grow up. In the movie, however, the
moment was tossed off with a laugh as he and Hermione were flying along on
Buckbeak. Harry exclaims "It was me!" I felt very let down, as though the
filmmakers just didn't "get it."
discuss
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253241 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 23:50 |
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JNH wrote:
> At the end of PoA, when Harry realizes it was HE who drove the dementors
> away, not his father, I read that scene as a very sobering, thoughtful
> moment. It was a turning point wherein Harry realizes that he's not going to
> be meeting his dad, and that he must grow up. In the movie, however, the
> moment was tossed off with a laugh as he and Hermione were flying along on
> Buckbeak. Harry exclaims "It was me!" I felt very let down, as though the
> filmmakers just didn't "get it."
>
> discuss
ummm..
no
M_m
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253256 ] |
Di, 25 April 2006 09:37 |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:36:01 GMT, "JNH" <JNH [at] JNH.com> wrote:
>At the end of PoA, when Harry realizes it was HE who drove the dementors
>away, not his father, I read that scene as a very sobering, thoughtful
>moment. It was a turning point wherein Harry realizes that he's not going to
>be meeting his dad, and that he must grow up. In the movie, however, the
>moment was tossed off with a laugh as he and Hermione were flying along on
>Buckbeak. Harry exclaims "It was me!" I felt very let down, as though the
>filmmakers just didn't "get it."
>
>discuss
>
Didn't see it you're way at all. He seemed to be disbelieving he
could see his father, because no way could his father be alive and
abandon him in hell. It was just the only plausible explanation,
because he doesn't believe in time travel/parallel universes.
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253319 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 09:49 |
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JNH wrote:
> At the end of PoA, when Harry realizes it was HE who drove the dementors
> away, not his father, I read that scene as a very sobering, thoughtful
> moment. It was a turning point wherein Harry realizes that he's not going to
> be meeting his dad, and that he must grow up.
I didn't see it that way. Instead, I saw Harry being pleased that he'd
solved a time-travel conundrum.
Even if were to see the episode in your terms, I'm not sure it
precisely qualifies as an "epiphany" in the sense James Joyce meant it,
although I will admit that has similar qualities. As it occurs in "A
Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man", the epiphany is a moment of
crystal clarity that CHANGES THE COURSE of the life. If I remember
correctly, the moment in "Portrait" is when Stephen Dedalus blurts the
phrase "heavenly God" and he does so because he suddenly realizes that
he wants to have intimate heterosexual relations, and so much so that
he is willing to forego becoming a priest.
In contrast, your view of the dementor realization doesn't really
change Harry's course - he's all down with growing up - but rather
kicks him in the ass and amounts to "OK, let's actually do it". An
important moment to be sure, but not like reassessing and resetting
one's entire life goal.
Dave
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253320 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 10:23 |
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JNH wrote:
In the movie, however, the
> moment was tossed off with a laugh... I felt very let down, as though the
> filmmakers just didn't "get it."
I think the biggest mistake along these lines occurs in the HP1 movie.
In the book Rowling makes it very clear that the troll incident and
it's aftermath (Hermy covering for the boys) is when Hermione is fully
accepted into the club and the "trio" is irrevocably established. This
is not made clear in the film.
Dave
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253334 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 16:50 |
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On 2006-04-26 04:23:11 -0400, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> said:
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> JNH wrote:
>
> In the movie, however, the
>> moment was tossed off with a laugh... I felt very let down, as though the
>> filmmakers just didn't "get it."
>
> I think the biggest mistake along these lines occurs in the HP1 movie.
> In the book Rowling makes it very clear that the troll incident and
> it's aftermath (Hermy covering for the boys) is when Hermione is fully
> accepted into the club and the "trio" is irrevocably established. This
> is not made clear in the film.
>
> Dave
Of course it's clear in the film. The film makers just had to do it in
less time
and fewer words than the book. Prior to that scene Hermione is considered
a showy know-it-all by Ron as he complains that "she's a nightmare" after the
"Wingardium leviosa" lesson in Charms. At the Halloween banquet when
QuirrellMort rushes in to report the troll, they remember that someone had told
them Hermione was in the girls bathroom crying (because she was ostracized
by the others). At the end of that scene (after she takes the blame
for them...
lying in the process), she is accepted as their close friend.
--
Enjoy,
Zolak of Twylo
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253400 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 10:38 |
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Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> Of course it's clear in the film. The film makers just had to do it in
> less time
> and fewer words than the book.
I suppose I should have used the word "explicit". In the book Rowling
explictily states that after that event, the three were fast friends.
It is not made explicit in the film. The real reason why is that the
film does not have a narrator.
Dave
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| Re: Harry's Epiphany [message #253540 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 18:31 |
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"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in article
<1146127122.375681.269520 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>> Of course it's clear in the film. The film makers just had to do it in
>> less time
>> and fewer words than the book.
> I suppose I should have used the word "explicit". In the book Rowling
> explictily states that after that event, the three were fast friends.
> It is not made explicit in the film. The real reason why is that the
> film does not have a narrator.
On the DVD there is a deleted scene where the trio is walking thru the
halls after the troll incident, and this is when they become besties.
Ginevra
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"Nice commentary last match!" said Ron. "You're making fun of
me, aren't you?" Luna replied, "everyone says I was dreadful."
-- "Half-Blood Prince", chapter 20
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