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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS
| Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253189] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 09:51 |
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Now that Draco has successfully demonstrated that you can sneak into
Hogwarts (the tunnels might be useless. We only know of one exit
point, Hogsmeade, not the others), he just gave Voldemort a powerful
advantage. A Wizard's Trojan Horse. Want to control the Minister of
magic? Ssend him one of the vanishing cabinets. Then a DE pops out
and Imperius' him. Need to kill someone at St Mungo's? Delier the
cabinet, then pop out and kill, pop back in. I'm pretty sure new
Vanishing cabinets can be created. Knowledge to fix them exists at
least. Pretty easy to reverse engineer.
It's a whole new ball game, where even the tightest security is now
null and void. Nobody is safe anywhere, anymore. I don't think it
matters Draco failed at his mission (he did set it up nicely.) This
new vantage point should keep him in favor for a long time to
come.(OK, like 14 months, but you get the picture.)
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253202 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 11:21 |
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Hi all,
we'll this is my first post here...
Very good point you have raised here toon...
I know that this will open a virtuall pandora's box. But lets not
forget that this sucseeded because of da sheer simplicity and ingenuity
of the problem not to mention Dumbledore's :( nasty habbit to leave
things naggin him till the last hour.
Let us not forget this also that once this option has been used it
cannot be used again... as such it has been spent... I say this because
the DE's are not foolish enough to belive that the MoM (ministry of
magic, if you please) will allow any new Cabinet being brought into
installations that have critical importance without being checked
throughly.... and the ministry too on its part will not act so
foolishly (or so I hope ;) ).
After all those cabinets have been responsible for the deaths of the
most prolific people the magical world ever saw...... I am sure after
this they'll be more carefull about wat they allow or wat they don't...
;)
tejas
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253218 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 16:36 |
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> Want to control the Minister of magic?
> Send him one of the vanishing cabinets.
Only trouble is that now everybody is going to be very suspicious of
vanishing cabinets after one of them was involved in the murder of
Albus Dumbledore; few would be stupid enough to place one in their
bedroom.
Eggplant
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253225 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 19:33 |
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"eggplant" <eggplant107 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145889408.797522.138130 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Want to control the Minister of magic?
>> Send him one of the vanishing cabinets.
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> Only trouble is that now everybody is going to be very suspicious of
> vanishing cabinets after one of them was involved in the murder of
> Albus Dumbledore; few would be stupid enough to place one in their
> bedroom.
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> Eggplant
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yup I was just going to say the same.
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253234 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 22:45 |
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"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
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> Now that Draco has successfully demonstrated that you can sneak into
> Hogwarts (the tunnels might be useless. We only know of one exit
> point, Hogsmeade, not the others), he just gave Voldemort a powerful
> advantage. A Wizard's Trojan Horse. Want to control the Minister of
> magic? Ssend him one of the vanishing cabinets.
Somehow I think that, at this point, Scrimgeour is probably hep to that.....
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253235 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 23:06 |
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Toon wrote:
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> Now that Draco has successfully demonstrated that you can sneak into
> Hogwarts (the tunnels might be useless. We only know of one exit
> point, Hogsmeade, not the others), he just gave Voldemort a powerful
> advantage. A Wizard's Trojan Horse. Want to control the Minister of
> magic? Ssend him one of the vanishing cabinets. Then a DE pops out
> and Imperius' him. Need to kill someone at St Mungo's? Delier the
> cabinet, then pop out and kill, pop back in. I'm pretty sure new
> Vanishing cabinets can be created. Knowledge to fix them exists at
> least. Pretty easy to reverse engineer.
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> It's a whole new ball game, where even the tightest security is now
> null and void. Nobody is safe anywhere, anymore. I don't think it
> matters Draco failed at his mission (he did set it up nicely.) This
> new vantage point should keep him in favor for a long time to
> come.(OK, like 14 months, but you get the picture.)
That may not be true. However - Sirius managed to get into Hogwarts as
well.
We have no idea what the magic is that protects Hogwarts. In the case of
Draco - he was a student at the school - and belonged there as a student
- so allowing him in is not really an indicator.
Sirius' getting in (As a dog) should have been more troubling since they
were actively trying to prevent his entering. Even then though - DD
apparently knew Sirius was innocent and not a real threat.
The real question is - will McGonagle be powerful enough to put the
correct protections in place?
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253255 ] |
Di, 25 April 2006 07:21 |
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> That may not be true. However - Sirius managed to get into Hogwarts as
> well.
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> We have no idea what the magic is that protects Hogwarts. In the case of
> Draco - he was a student at the school - and belonged there as a student
> - so allowing him in is not really an indicator.
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> Sirius' getting in (As a dog) should have been more troubling since they
> were actively trying to prevent his entering. Even then though - DD
> apparently knew Sirius was innocent and not a real threat.
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> The real question is - will McGonagle be powerful enough to put the
> correct protections in place?
That was possible because Sirus was one of the marauders. he knew and
was actually responsible for da discovery of in all seven passages into
and out of hogwarts (of which we know one has caved in)
That is the prime reason that Sirus was able to sneak into and out of
Hogwarts undetected. Now it will be even more difficult coz DD's death
will now put the Auror office at the MoM into critical alertness mode.
They will be on even the slightest lookout for any abnormal activity
anywhere... So we can atleast expect sum more Stanley Shunpikes (he's
the Conductor of the Night Bus for the uninitiated) being put behind
bars for *ahem* "Suspected Death Eater Activity"........
Morpheus
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253259 ] |
Di, 25 April 2006 09:46 |
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On 24 Apr 2006 02:21:08 -0700, "Morpheus" <tejas.thakker [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>Hi all,
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>we'll this is my first post here...
>
>Very good point you have raised here toon...
>
>I know that this will open a virtuall pandora's box. But lets not
>forget that this sucseeded because of da sheer simplicity and ingenuity
>of the problem not to mention Dumbledore's :( nasty habbit to leave
>things naggin him till the last hour.
>
>Let us not forget this also that once this option has been used it
>cannot be used again... as such it has been spent... I say this because
>the DE's are not foolish enough to belive that the MoM (ministry of
>magic, if you please) will allow any new Cabinet being brought into
>installations that have critical importance without being checked
>throughly.... and the ministry too on its part will not act so
>foolishly (or so I hope ;) ).
>
>After all those cabinets have been responsible for the deaths of the
>most prolific people the magical world ever saw...... I am sure after
>this they'll be more carefull about wat they allow or wat they don't...
>;)
>
>tejas
1) No, they won't. Thye're all self assured idiots. And that's if
they find out. Depends on if anyone at Hogwarts let's them know. The
MOM might keep it covered up. Imagine if wizards learned how easy it
is for DE's to sneak into Hogwarts. This time was a special fluke,
and oversight on DD's part when mysteriously left. Imagine how
parents would feel if the DE's can get in at any time. First it was
frozen students, and 1 death, then more frozen students 50 years
later. Then a mass murderer, follower by the abduction of 2 students,
death of one, injury or the other. Now this. Students were removed
because of V's return. Would anybody ever return if it was well known
any idiot can get into Hogwarts after all? I smell cover up.
2) The principle could be applied. If they can make the connection
between two objects, watch out. You can transfigure someone into a
small animal, send them in through a small item, and zap them back
when they get to the other side.
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253260 ] |
Di, 25 April 2006 09:48 |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:06:12 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Sirius' getting in (As a dog) should have been more troubling since they
>were actively trying to prevent his entering. Even then though - DD
>apparently knew Sirius was innocent and not a real threat.
No he didn't. He gathered everybody in the Great hall for one night
to keep them safe. Even though the evidence was there. Like Siirus
hovering over Ron, not Harry.
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253285 ] |
Di, 25 April 2006 17:47 |
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Toon wrote:
> 1) No, they won't. Thye're all self assured idiots. And that's if
> they find out. Depends on if anyone at Hogwarts let's them know. The
> MOM might keep it covered up. Imagine if wizards learned how easy it
> is for DE's to sneak into Hogwarts. This time was a special fluke,
> and oversight on DD's part when mysteriously left. Imagine how
> parents would feel if the DE's can get in at any time. First it was
> frozen students, and 1 death, then more frozen students 50 years
> later. Then a mass murderer, follower by the abduction of 2 students,
> death of one, injury or the other. Now this. Students were removed
> because of V's return. Would anybody ever return if it was well known
> any idiot can get into Hogwarts after all? I smell cover up.
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> 2) The principle could be applied. If they can make the connection
> between two objects, watch out. You can transfigure someone into a
> small animal, send them in through a small item, and zap them back
> when they get to the other side.
Hi ya,
Regarding point no 1 of yours I recollect sumthing that I think might
be contextual..... In CoS chapter 16 (The Chamber of Secrets) we hear
McGonagall say that Dumbledore Predicted the end of Hogwarts.... maybe
this could all be hinters in that direction.... we all know that JKR
has a nasty habbit of hiding clues in her books, maybe this could also
be a pointer just like numerous others that we have seen over the past
few books.....
-Morpheus
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253312 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 07:04 |
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On 25 Apr 2006 08:47:30 -0700, "Morpheus" <tejas.thakker [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
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>Toon wrote:
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>> 1) No, they won't. Thye're all self assured idiots. And that's if
>> they find out. Depends on if anyone at Hogwarts let's them know. The
>> MOM might keep it covered up. Imagine if wizards learned how easy it
>> is for DE's to sneak into Hogwarts. This time was a special fluke,
>> and oversight on DD's part when mysteriously left. Imagine how
>> parents would feel if the DE's can get in at any time. First it was
>> frozen students, and 1 death, then more frozen students 50 years
>> later. Then a mass murderer, follower by the abduction of 2 students,
>> death of one, injury or the other. Now this. Students were removed
>> because of V's return. Would anybody ever return if it was well known
>> any idiot can get into Hogwarts after all? I smell cover up.
>>
>> 2) The principle could be applied. If they can make the connection
>> between two objects, watch out. You can transfigure someone into a
>> small animal, send them in through a small item, and zap them back
>> when they get to the other side.
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>Hi ya,
>
>Regarding point no 1 of yours I recollect sumthing that I think might
>be contextual..... In CoS chapter 16 (The Chamber of Secrets) we hear
>McGonagall say that Dumbledore Predicted the end of Hogwarts.... maybe
>this could all be hinters in that direction.... we all know that JKR
>has a nasty habbit of hiding clues in her books, maybe this could also
>be a pointer just like numerous others that we have seen over the past
>few books.....
>
>-Morpheus
Possibly. Only so much danger a parent will let their kid take. An
animal locked within the castle pushes it. A mass murderer gets them
in edge. Voldemort's return is already too much. Now, DE's can roam
free any time they want to? Hogwarts might have to stay closed until
the final battle. And DD seems to have suspected as much.
Well, it's only year, so no biggie.
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| Re: Draco stumbled On A Powerful Advantage HBP SPOLIERS [message #253368 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 03:02 |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:06:12 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Toon wrote:
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>Sirius' getting in (As a dog) should have been more troubling since they
>were actively trying to prevent his entering. Even then though - DD
>apparently knew Sirius was innocent and not a real threat.
I doubt Dumbly-Door knew *at that time* that Sirius was innocent. He
was able to sneak in through secreat passages that few others knew of.
It's the same with the Vanishing Cabinets, I believe. Done once, it's
brilliant, something Hogwarts and MoM security were simply not
prepared for. Once known, the passages can be blocked and/or guarded
or otherwise made harmless. Once it's known how the Death Eaters got
into Hogwarts, old "broken" Cabinets will no longer be left lying
about.
Unless the Ministry hushes it all up, but (a) I think we've been
there, done that, and finished with it; and (b) the Ministry itself
(and Hogwarts) could certainly implement a no-cabinet policy without
fessing up to the wizarding population...
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