Sprinkler Systems Uhaul move Lawn care Roses and trees Ford Parts Chrysler Parts Lake Powell New IPod Touch Apps New IPhone Apps IPhone Apps IPad Information IPad Apps Android APPS Android Games APPS Android Systems Android Tablets APPS and Beyond Smartphone Apps Smartphone Games Apps Repair and Tools Tablet PC Car Sharing Car Leasing Tabler Pc Fly Fishing Toyota Cars Vacation Rentals Stock market NYSE SSE Stock Freight & Shipping News Gluten Lactose Gout My Coupon Life Campgrounds Check Outdoor Kitchen Design and Redoo Bath Remodeling Palm Springs Las Vegas Vacation Tipps Lake Powell Boating Homes for lease Electric and green Car Blog Pearls and diamonds Whatsapp and forget SMS Blog, What is Whatsapp App Solar Panel Solar Energie Sun Power Blog
Reader


[Suche]  [Administrator]  [Hinweise zum Reader]  [Startseite]
Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers)
Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20333] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:09
sailormoon  
P
R
E
T
T
Y

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!

To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.

And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
War! War!

T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)

And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
regular universe!

I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
have disappeared?

Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.

I can't wait for next week!


Mark
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20334 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:17
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20335 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:19
Robert Debelak  
The USS Defiant disappeared through a "spatial interphase" in 2268 near
Tholian territory, in the TOS episode "The Tholian Web." I guess now we
know where it went.

I agree, this was a great episode, probably one of the best.

Rob

Mark Moore wrote:
> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
>
> And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> regular universe!
>
> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> have disappeared?
>
> Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.
>
> I can't wait for next week!
>
>
> Mark
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20336 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:22
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20338 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:22
whodunit  
Mark Moore wrote:
> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!

The martial theme was sooooooo much more in keeping with the other
series'!!
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)

Next group poll: catsuits vs mbu's, which do you prefer?
(But remember, all female crewmembers, even the hefty girls, would
have to wear one!)
>
> And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> regular universe!
>
> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> have disappeared?

Amazingly enough, yes, in an episode called "The Tholian Web".
Who'da thunk? ;-) The Defiant 'disappeared' into Tholian space,
and Kirk was trapped in some sort of inter-phasial (sp?) time warp
thingie...Spock finally figured out how to rescue him.
>
> Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.

Yes, and it was nice to see an actual Tholian, if only for a little
while. Apparently they are some sort of insectisoid life form.
>
> I can't wait for next week!

*sigh* Yes, but then we are that much closer to THE END. <pouts>
>
>
> Mark
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20339 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 03:34
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20346 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 06:06
estasiak  
> whodunit wrote
> Mark Moore wrote
> >
> > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!

Here here!

> Next group poll: catsuits vs mbu's, which do you prefer?

Why can't we have both; midriff-baring-cat-suits?

> (But remember, all female crewmembers, even the hefty
> girls, would have to wear one!)

There ain't no fat girls in the future so there ain't
nothing to worry about!
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20349 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 06:13
nlu  
In article <1114229178.266528.157740 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<estasiak [at] att.net> wrote:
>> whodunit wrote
>> Mark Moore wrote
>> >
>> > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
>Here here!
>
>> Next group poll: catsuits vs mbu's, which do you prefer?
>
>Why can't we have both; midriff-baring-cat-suits?
>
>> (But remember, all female crewmembers, even the hefty
>> girls, would have to wear one!)
>
>There ain't no fat girls in the future so there ain't
>nothing to worry about!

You haven't seen Saavik in her later years...
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20351 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 06:25
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20352 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 06:27
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20353 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 06:50
Dougie Roberts  
whodunit wrote:
> Mark Moore wrote:
>
>> P
>> R
>> E
>> T
>> T
>> Y
>>
>> S
>> P
>> O
>> I
>> L
>> E
>> R
>>
>> S
>> P
>> A
>> C
>> E
>>
[snip]
>>
>> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
>> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
>> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
>> have disappeared?
>
>
> Amazingly enough, yes, in an episode called "The Tholian Web".
> Who'da thunk? ;-) The Defiant 'disappeared' into Tholian space,
> and Kirk was trapped in some sort of inter-phasial (sp?) time warp
> thingie...Spock finally figured out how to rescue him.

If Shatner had agreed to do a cameo in "Enterprise" this season,
tonight's episode would have been an *awesome* opportunity for that.

Just a quick cameo, that's all I mean. Something like this: Kirk is
shown floating around in his space suit before he phases back to "our"
universe. This could have been done by re-purposing some TOS footage,
or maybe CGI (where "Kirk" is seen from a distance, and somewhat
incorporeal because of the interphase effect). Then, Shatner could have
recorded a couple of lines of dialog, talking to Archer. Considering
what was accomplished in "Trials and Tribble-ations" a few years ago, a
quick cameo like this wouldn't have been too difficult, technically.

Oh well, just a thought...
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20354 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 07:04
David B  
Mark Moore wrote:

> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
>
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
>
>

Preach it brother!
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20355 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 07:05
David B  
JJ wrote:

> On 22 Apr 2005 18:09:55 -0700, sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net (Mark Moore)
> wrote:
>
> >P
> >R
> >E
> >T
> >T
> >Y
> >
> >S
> >P
> >O
> >I
> >L
> >E
> >R
> >
> >S
> >P
> >A
> >C
> >E
> > it.
> >
> >I can't wait for next week!
> >
> >
> Next week is Gorn week. Anybody wearing red shirt next week is in
> alot of trouble!

Mayweather better look out.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20356 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 08:00
jsavard  
Nelson Lu wrote:
> You haven't seen Saavik in her later years...

We *have* seen Kirstie Alley in her later years, but Saavik is Robin
Curtis now...

John Savard
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20357 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 08:35
Mark Nobles  
Robert Debelak <rdebelakNOSPAM [at] wideopenwest.com> wrote:

> I agree, this was a great episode, probably one of the best.

No probably about it - best Enterprise ever, and right up there with
the best Star Trek ever.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20360 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 09:04
Brad and Mia  
Incredible episode. And forget the very kewl plot.

The make-up, lighting, clothing, etc., was fantastic. Just giving the whole
episode a really gritty edge. You could just feel the tension like you were
there on this ship.

Archer became a new Kirk in this episode. Trip was fantastic. The doctor was
a take-off of Josef Mengele and quite good!

And the intro... brilliant! Friggin brilliant!

Wow. And to think, this is the end. Paramount must be full of idiots.

Brad


"Mark Moore" <sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net> wrote in message
news:48d3c1d3.0504221709.88b3345 [at] posting.google.com...
> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
>
> And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> regular universe!
>
> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> have disappeared?
>
> Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.
>
> I can't wait for next week!
>
>
> Mark
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20363 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 10:04
Kweeg  
<TBSwallows [at] here.net> wrote in message
news:8gjj61db1feg163n4tgvi6m1ln1bajqddd [at] 4ax.com...

Go on dork, prove me right again and post with another nic, loser!
Fourteen in eight days.
Whatta sad pathetic life you must have to constantly troll newsgroups having
to constantly change you nic because so many people have killfiled you. I
and everyone else are laughing at you. No real life friends and no friends
on Usenet. Seriously kill yourself, no one will notice or care and we all
could do with the laugh.

--

Kweeg
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20365 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 11:00
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20368 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 14:34
Wouter Valentijn  
David B wrote:
> JJ wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2005 18:09:55 -0700, sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net (Mark
>> Moore) wrote:
>>
>>> P
>>> R
>>> E
>>> T
>>> T
>>> Y
>>>
>>> S
>>> P
>>> O
>>> I
>>> L
>>> E
>>> R
>>>
>>> S
>>> P
>>> A
>>> C
>>> E
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I can't wait for next week!
>>>
>>>
>> Next week is Gorn week. Anybody wearing red shirt next week is in
>> alot of trouble!
>
> Mayweather better look out.

Wouldn't he be in gold?


--
www.Wouter.Valentijn.name
www.zeppodunsel.nl
www.scifics.com
www.nksf.nl
liam=mail
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20369 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 14:55
Palpie  
> Wow. And to think, this is the end. Paramount must be full of idiots.

No sadly, it's B & B and the trek writers. If they had managed to produce
more entertaining episodes like this one the show would never have been
canned.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20372 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 16:37
Benjamin Pavsner  
One GREAT point (nitpicky as it is) is that, in an earlier post in this
group, someone brought up, correctly, the technological errors TOS made in
the "Tholian Web" episode. It's nice how they fixed a lot of oversites on
how a Tholian web works in this ep.
"Mark Moore" <sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net> wrote in message
news:48d3c1d3.0504221709.88b3345 [at] posting.google.com...
> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
>
> And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> regular universe!
>
> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> have disappeared?
>
> Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.
>
> I can't wait for next week!
>
>
> Mark
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20373 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 16:46
whodunit  
hoarse with no name wrote:
> In article <hrhae.4414$J12.3702 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
> whodunit <pillut_48 [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Next group poll: catsuits vs mbu's, which do you prefer?
>>(But remember, all female crewmembers, even the hefty girls, would
>>have to wear one!)
>
>
> That's the genius of it. If women knew they had to wear these things the
> fat chicks would finally lose weight.

I imagine in the AU that if you put on excess weight, you might have to
spend some time in the Agony Booth (how cool that Phlox and Reed
invented it??!)--say, 10 minutes per extra pound?

Dang, I need one of those things here!! Forget this silly weight
watchers and Jenny Craig business! I'd be all over the tofu in a
heartbeat! ;-)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20374 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 17:32
Brenda  
<TBSwallows [at] here.net> wrote in message
news:8gjj61db1feg163n4tgvi6m1ln1bajqddd [at] 4ax.com...
> On 22 Apr 2005 21:06:18 -0700, estasiak [at] att.net wrote:
>
> >> whodunit wrote
> >> Mark Moore wrote
> >> >
> >> > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
> >
> >Here here!
> >
> >> Next group poll: catsuits vs mbu's, which do you prefer?
> >
> >Why can't we have both; midriff-baring-cat-suits?
>
> That is the best comment ever made in any newsgroup.
>
> >
> >> (But remember, all female crewmembers, even the hefty
> >> girls, would have to wear one!)
> >
> >There ain't no fat girls in the future so there ain't
> >nothing to worry about!
>
> (Brenda breathes a sigh of relief.)


Hey Kweeg! Hear that? It's leaving!!
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20376 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 18:34
kathryn  
"Mark Moore" <sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net> wrote in message
news:48d3c1d3.0504221709.88b3345 [at] posting.google.com...
> P
> R
> E
> T
> T
> Y
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!
>
> T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
>
> And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> regular universe!
>
> I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> have disappeared?
>
> Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.
>
> I can't wait for next week!
>
>
> Mark

As much as I loved the episode - and I really did the female uniforms were
completely pointless and really just a male jolly by the writers :P
Seriously if there's going to be midriff bearing make it equal ops!
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20377 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 18:56
Jaxtraw  
"kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
news:d4dtfb$a50$1 [at] nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
> "Mark Moore" <sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net> wrote in message
> news:48d3c1d3.0504221709.88b3345 [at] posting.google.com...
> > P
> > R
> > E
> > T
> > T
> > Y
> >
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> >
> > S
> > P
> > A
> > C
> > E
> >
> > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
> >
> > To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> > to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> > do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
> >
> > And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> > universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> > War! War!
> >
> > T'Pol and Hoshi are hot in those midrif-baring uniforms. Why can't
> > their regular universe counterparts wear those every week? =)
> >
> > And they found a Constitution class starship from Kirk's era in the
> > regular universe!
> >
> > I thought it WAS the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 at first, but it
> > turned out to be the U.S.S. Defiant. Okay, it's been years since I've
> > seen a TOS episode, but has a ship with that name ever been said to
> > have disappeared?
> >
> > Tholian web! Now, I've never seen the TOS episode (I don't think), so
> > I bet a lot of you enjoyed this scene all the more for it.
> >
> > I can't wait for next week!
> >
> >
> > Mark
>
> As much as I loved the episode - and I really did the female uniforms were
> completely pointless and really just a male jolly by the writers :P
> Seriously if there's going to be midriff bearing make it equal ops!
>

May be worth noting that in extremely patriarchal and sexist cultures, women
are forced to hide their bodies (which are deemed property of their menfolk;
husbands or fathers) whereas in more equal, liberal cultures women choose to
wear considerably more revealing clothing than men, indicating their proud
ownership of their bodies and freedom to do what they will with them. As
such, the argument that revealing costumes are a "male jolly" doesn't hold
water :) It's the same as the ridiculous argument that the TOS womens'
uniforms were sexist; which completely ignores that they were a reflection
of 60s fashion, a time when women were throwing off the chains of patriarchy
and proudly wearing mini-skirts, which were championed by female fashion
designers (e.g. Mary Quant), much to the consternation of conservative
menfolk...

Ian


--
____________________
A quality online comic strip for the discerning reader.
With shagging in it.
http://www.jaxtrawstudios.com
Free daily rude toons
http://www.lewdart.com
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20378 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 19:21
Al Smith  
> As much as I loved the episode - and I really did the female uniforms were
> completely pointless and really just a male jolly by the writers :P
> Seriously if there's going to be midriff bearing make it equal ops!

No, no, no. It makes sense for women to have bare midriff
uniforms, because of the female biology. Woman have different
reproductive organs than men, and they tend to get overheated when
placed under stress, so woman need extra cooling in the midsection
in order to deal effectively with the problem. Mini skirts were a
partial solution, but bare midriffs are more efficient.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20379 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 19:56
Brian  
>
> Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
>
> To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie, only
> to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he couldn't
> do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
>
> And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> War! War!
>

Who thought the mirror characters were a *lot* more fun to watch than
the regular ones? Why couldn't this have happened 4 years ago? Note
to Paramount: for the next Star Trek (in whatever form that will be),
give the characters "color"!

Also, I absolutely loved the continunity with showing actual footage
from First Contact, and even using the soundtrack from the movie! A
sweet touch indeed.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20380 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 20:41
abpp  
Yes, it was a great episode!

But I would like for them to show something in part 2 on how
humans became such a belicose and violent people.

I mean, if it wasn't for the intro credits story line, I would
think that maybe the Nazis won WWII or something. But for what
I saw there humans have been like that since the times of the wooden
ships. At least the Klingons are the way they are because of biological
reasons, and their obcession with honor. But why humans?

I also would like to see (at least a glipmse of it)
is why First Contact happened in this Universe. In the 'good' Universe
Cochrane flew the Phoenix and the Vulcans detected it. I wonder if in
the
'bad' Universe Cochrane didn't fly anything and Vulcans were bad too
while trying to conquer Earth (like Archer made it look in his
remarks).



Brian wrote:
> >
> > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
> >
> > To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie,
only
> > to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he
couldn't
> > do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
> >
> > And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> > universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> > War! War!
> >
>
> Who thought the mirror characters were a *lot* more fun to watch than

> the regular ones? Why couldn't this have happened 4 years ago?
Note
> to Paramount: for the next Star Trek (in whatever form that will
be),
> give the characters "color"!
>
> Also, I absolutely loved the continunity with showing actual footage
> from First Contact, and even using the soundtrack from the movie! A
> sweet touch indeed.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20382 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 20:50
Numan  
--

Numan
"abpp" <abpp [at] mail.com> wrote in message
news:1114281695.073778.143400 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, it was a great episode!
>
> But I would like for them to show something in part 2 on how
> humans became such a belicose and violent people.
>
> I mean, if it wasn't for the intro credits story line, I would
> think that maybe the Nazis won WWII or something. But for what
> I saw there humans have been like that since the times of the wooden
> ships. At least the Klingons are the way they are because of biological
> reasons, and their obcession with honor. But why humans?
>
> I also would like to see (at least a glipmse of it)
> is why First Contact happened in this Universe. In the 'good' Universe
> Cochrane flew the Phoenix and the Vulcans detected it. I wonder if in
> the
> 'bad' Universe Cochrane didn't fly anything and Vulcans were bad too
> while trying to conquer Earth (like Archer made it look in his
> remarks).


When Archer said, "The Vulcan conquering force" I just took it as
that was how humans saw it, not that that was really how it was.
I may have missed something there.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20383 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 20:51
Graham Kennedy  
abpp wrote:
> Yes, it was a great episode!
>
> But I would like for them to show something in part 2 on how
> humans became such a belicose and violent people.

Has anybody ever suggested that the much talked-about
"branching off" of our universe and theirs never actually
happened? I'm beginning to think the Mirror universe may
*always* have been this way.

There is no specific event; in the Mirror universe, Humans
are just basically evil.

> I mean, if it wasn't for the intro credits story line, I would
> think that maybe the Nazis won WWII or something. But for what
> I saw there humans have been like that since the times of the wooden
> ships. At least the Klingons are the way they are because of biological
> reasons, and their obcession with honor. But why humans?

If the Mirror pattern was followed, then the Nazis would
still have lost WWII - but the Nazis would have been the
*good* guys back then. The US, UK and Russia would have
been the fascist states who defeated poor peaceful Nazi
Germany.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20384 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:04
Dave  
abpp wrote:
> Yes, it was a great episode!
>
> But I would like for them to show something in part 2
> on how humans became such a belicose and violent people.
>
> I mean, if it wasn't for the intro credits story line, I
> would think that maybe the Nazis won WWII or something. But
> for what I saw there humans have been like that since the
> times of the wooden ships. [...]

I just don't see how this cutthroat attitude would have produced a
human society that advanced technologically at the same rate. Also are
the other species, Vulcans etc, also nastier?
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20385 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:06
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20386 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:07
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20387 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:28
Benjamin Pavsner  
The way I see it is this: in the "regular" Trek universe, Terrans had their
World War 3 and got serious about getting their act together by saying "Hey,
we better stop fighting one another or we can kiss humanity good bye," while
in the mirror universe, humans never had this epithany.
"abpp" <abpp [at] mail.com> wrote in message
news:1114281695.073778.143400 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, it was a great episode!
>
> But I would like for them to show something in part 2 on how
> humans became such a belicose and violent people.
>
> I mean, if it wasn't for the intro credits story line, I would
> think that maybe the Nazis won WWII or something. But for what
> I saw there humans have been like that since the times of the wooden
> ships. At least the Klingons are the way they are because of biological
> reasons, and their obcession with honor. But why humans?
>
> I also would like to see (at least a glipmse of it)
> is why First Contact happened in this Universe. In the 'good' Universe
> Cochrane flew the Phoenix and the Vulcans detected it. I wonder if in
> the
> 'bad' Universe Cochrane didn't fly anything and Vulcans were bad too
> while trying to conquer Earth (like Archer made it look in his
> remarks).
>
>
>
> Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > Whoo-hoo! What a great episode!
> > >
> > > To start off with a replay of the first contact from the movie,
> only
> > > to have Cochrane pull out a gun and kill the Vulcans when he
> couldn't
> > > do the Vulcan peace sign was hysterical.
> > >
> > > And they redid the opening credit sequence to reflect the mirror
> > > universe! Okay, that came out wrong, but you know what I mean! War!
> > > War! War!
> > >
> >
> > Who thought the mirror characters were a *lot* more fun to watch than
>
> > the regular ones? Why couldn't this have happened 4 years ago?
> Note
> > to Paramount: for the next Star Trek (in whatever form that will
> be),
> > give the characters "color"!
> >
> > Also, I absolutely loved the continunity with showing actual footage
> > from First Contact, and even using the soundtrack from the movie! A
> > sweet touch indeed.
>
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20389 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:55
dswynne  
Actually, the way I saw it was this: what if the Enterprise-E and the
Borg sphere never went into the past? Remember, Earth just had their
WWIII, the peace was tenuous at best, and Cochrane was more interested
in making money than actually using his warp engine for humanitarian
purposes.

Now imagine a paranoid group of people suddenly are visited by aliens.
Can you imagine the reaction?

Perhaps because of Picard and crew's influence, the ground work for the
foundation for the Federation was laid. Cocharane is shown the
infinite possibilities that the human endeavor can achieve. And it is
this, while defending Earth from the Borg, that allows humans to trust
an unkown variable (i.e. the arrival of the Vulcans).

Just a thought.

-De
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20390 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 21:57
ADD  
On 22 Apr 2005 18:09:55 -0700, sailormoon [at] naturecoast.net (Mark Moore)
wrote:

I always thought the technology for Enterprise was too advanced both
in look and function, compared to TOS. The bridge on the Defiant,
although 100 years ahead of Enterprise, looked less advanced even with
the facelift.
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20391 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 22:54
GeneK  
"ADD" <noone [at] none.net> wrote in message news:pv9l61h4rv7lrrs345b8u40r6uvtpheio8 [at] 4ax.com...

> I always thought the technology for Enterprise was too advanced both
> in look and function, compared to TOS. The bridge on the Defiant,
> although 100 years ahead of Enterprise, looked less advanced even with
> the facelift.

And yet we have already seen from the previews for next week's episode
that the TOS era Defiant is a technologically more advanced vessel than
Mirror NX Enterprise, which is itself more technologically advanced than
Regular Universe NX Enterprise. More advanced technology can easily
look less complex and technological than lesser technology, because all
the complexity is buried beneath the exterior styling.

GeneK
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20392 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 23:19
Mirror Enterprise Fan  
abpp wrote:
> I also would like to see (at least a glipmse of it)
> is why First Contact happened in this Universe. In the 'good'
Universe
> Cochrane flew the Phoenix and the Vulcans detected it. I wonder if in
> the
> 'bad' Universe Cochrane didn't fly anything and Vulcans were bad too
> while trying to conquer Earth (like Archer made it look in his
> remarks).

Cochrane DID fly the Phoenix in the Mirror Universe, it was in the
credits.

People who make mental slips like that in our Universe end up in the
Agony Booth.

ALL HAIL THE AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!

ALL HAIL THE FUTURE TERRAN EMPIRE!!!

Mirror Enterprise Fan
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20393 ] Sa, 23 April 2005 23:41
Gary  
jsavard [at] ecn.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Nelson Lu wrote:
> > You haven't seen Saavik in her later years...
>
> We *have* seen Kirstie Alley in her later years, but Saavik is Robin
> Curtis now...

No she's not. Saavik will always be Kirstie Alley. Robin Curtis does not
exist... ;-)
Re: Through a Mirror, Darkly (spoilers) [message #20394 ] So, 24 April 2005 00:34
Kweeg  
<agent23 [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
news:o67l61l2tgd0mgch3t7ai35ed542h9cvc5 [at] 4ax.com...

Go on dork, prove me right again and post with another nic, loser!
Fifteen in nine days.
Whatta sad pathetic life you must have to constantly troll newsgroups having
to constantly change you nic because so many people have killfiled you. I
and everyone else are laughing at you. No real life friends and no friends
on Usenet. Seriously kill yourself, no one will notice or care and we all
could do with the laugh.

--

Kweeg
Vorheriges Thema:Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant
Nächstes Thema:Enterprise 4x16.4x16.4x18 ("Affliction" "Divergence" "Bound") by Cody
Gehe zu:
  


aktuelle Zeit: Sa Mai 26 02:54:59 CEST 2012

Insgesamt benötigte Zeit, um die Seite zu erzeugen: 0,13145 Sekunden
.:: Startseite - Hinweise - Impressum ::.

Powered