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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They"
| "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253019] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 16:46 |
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I recall in PoA that Stan Shunpike remarked that Muggles don't see or
sense magic, as he explains to Harry how the nonwizrds are so
unperturbed by the Knight Bus. I also remember in PS that Hagrid
comments to Harry that the entrance to the Leaky Cauldron wouldn't be
apparent to Muggles. This makes me wonder: how is it then that
Hermione's parents can enter Diagon Alley and sense all that is about
them? A magical spell? Maybe some ritual that sort of "unlocks" the
minds of muggles so they perceive the magical world? Which also leads
me to wonder if they would be able to see dementors while in Diagon
Alley.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253041 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 21:40 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I recall in PoA that Stan Shunpike remarked that Muggles don't see or
> sense magic, as he explains to Harry how the nonwizrds are so
> unperturbed by the Knight Bus. I also remember in PS that Hagrid
> comments to Harry that the entrance to the Leaky Cauldron wouldn't be
> apparent to Muggles. This makes me wonder: how is it then that
> Hermione's parents can enter Diagon Alley and sense all that is about
> them? A magical spell? Maybe some ritual that sort of "unlocks" the
> minds of muggles so they perceive the magical world? Which also leads
The only thing which is hidden is the enterance to the Leaky Cauldron.
Hermione's parents could get into the Leaky Cauldron because they were
with Hermione, who can see the door perfectly well.
Similarly a Muggle might not be able to see the Knight Bus, but nothing
stops a Wizard leading them onto it.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253079 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 18:50 |
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its the mental block of not beliving in magic subconciously that keeps
them from seeing once they have true knowledgle they can see which
would explain the mentality of they dont want to see of the magical folk
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253117 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 09:59 |
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On 22 Apr 2006 09:50:10 -0700, "2000man [at] wongfaye.com"
<2000man [at] wongfaye.com> wrote:
>its the mental block of not beliving in magic subconciously that keeps
>them from seeing once they have true knowledgle they can see which
>would explain the mentality of they dont want to see of the magical folk
Probably. It's don't ask, don't tell type of thing for Muggles. But
it's hard to unknown what you know. You can deny Bigfoot all you
want, but once you see him, how can you deny it? You'd have to truly
delude yourself into thinking you saw something else.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253152 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 22:24 |
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i think that since hermione is a witch, she led them there. then when
in diagon alley, they were able to see their surroundings and
understand a little more about her world. and i don't think they'd be
able to see dementors because only magical people can see them.
however, they'd be able to sense them. i don't know if my answer makes
much sense or anything so i'm sorry.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253153 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 22:25 |
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That's actually a pretty darn good explanation :0 Except, how does
that account for squibs? We know, thanks to Mrs. Figg, that squibs can
sense dementors to a greater degree than muggles, but still not see
them. Surely they believe in them and there's no mental block
precluding a squib born into an otherwise pure wizarding family from
disbelieveing magic.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253170 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 02:13 |
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its probably the same as the thestrals bti doubt it maybe only magic
folk with the gift see the dementors as a part of the package not
seeing the knight bus and not seeing dementors is somewhat related but
who knows the 12 grimmauld place was invisible to harry till he read
the note about its existance
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253372 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 04:07 |
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On 23 Apr 2006 13:25:44 -0700, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>That's actually a pretty darn good explanation :0 Except, how does
>that account for squibs? We know, thanks to Mrs. Figg, that squibs can
>sense dementors to a greater degree than muggles, but still not see
>them.
Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
As for sensing them, I reckon Dudley sensed that one just fine. <big,
evil grin> Maybe Muggles can all sense Dementors. Their doctors give
them antidepressants because muggle medicine hasn't realized what 98%
of American women have known since puberty, that good chocolate and
lots of it is the best treatement for these "nervous problems" which
wizard healers know to be Dementor-induced...
Hmmm....
Someone pass the chocolate, eh? An ounce of prevention...
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If you really need to email me, mow the lawn.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253382 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 07:51 |
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In article <qg905293kem4b6sqtmssgas42t8k8rhmcf [at] 4ax.com>,
Elizabeth B Naime <Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2006 13:25:44 -0700, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
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>>That's actually a pretty darn good explanation :0 Except, how does
>>that account for squibs? We know, thanks to Mrs. Figg, that squibs can
>>sense dementors to a greater degree than muggles, but still not see
>>them.
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>Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
JKR says she didn't see them. I think it was on the website.
=Tamar
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253385 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 09:38 |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:07:22 GMT, Elizabeth B Naime
<Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
>Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
No,S he did not and could not. I was most disappointed by JK's
revelation. That meant Figgy lied at Harry's trial, a very dangerous
thing to do. Especially form a squib.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253401 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 10:43 |
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"Richard Eney" <dicconf [at] radix.net> wrote in message
news:1250mvpbmnbnvec [at] corp.supernews.com...
> In article <qg905293kem4b6sqtmssgas42t8k8rhmcf [at] 4ax.com>,
> Elizabeth B Naime <Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
>>On 23 Apr 2006 13:25:44 -0700, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
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>>>That's actually a pretty darn good explanation :0 Except, how does
>>>that account for squibs? We know, thanks to Mrs. Figg, that squibs can
>>>sense dementors to a greater degree than muggles, but still not see
>>>them.
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>>Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
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> JKR says she didn't see them. I think it was on the website.
It was also pretty damn clear in OOTP that Figgy wasn't being entirely
straight with the panel when asked if she saw the dementors. She was
confident when talking about her feelings but distinctly unconvincing when
asked to describe them visually.
Helena
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> =Tamar
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253483 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 09:45 |
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In article <35t052l44q3f1vq2ptc1ea0mnb4i743rra [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:07:22 GMT, Elizabeth B Naime
><Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
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>>Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
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>No,S he did not and could not. I was most disappointed by JK's
>revelation. That meant Figgy lied at Harry's trial, a very dangerous
>thing to do. Especially form a squib.
It also means that Figgy is incredibly brave. Harry and the other
wizards can _see_ where the Dementors are, so they can try to avoid
them. Figgy can't even see where they are, all she can do is feel
their presence. Yet she was running _toward_ the alley.
=Tamar
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253586 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 01:45 |
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Richard Eney escribió:
> In article <35t052l44q3f1vq2ptc1ea0mnb4i743rra [at] 4ax.com>,
> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:07:22 GMT, Elizabeth B Naime
>> <Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
>>
>>> Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
>> No,S he did not and could not. I was most disappointed by JK's
>> revelation. That meant Figgy lied at Harry's trial, a very dangerous
>> thing to do. Especially form a squib.
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> It also means that Figgy is incredibly brave. Harry and the other
> wizards can _see_ where the Dementors are, so they can try to avoid
> them. Figgy can't even see where they are, all she can do is feel
> their presence. Yet she was running _toward_ the alley.
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> =Tamar
Well, she saw/sensed two boys in danger, and one of then was the one who
she was meant to watch.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253600 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 03:09 |
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In article <e2u9cq$5bc$1 [at] emma.aioe.org>, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Richard Eney escribió:
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>> No, she did not and could not. I was most disappointed by JK's
>>> revelation. That meant Figgy lied at Harry's trial, a very
>>> dangerous thing to do. Especially form a squib.
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>> It also means that Figgy is incredibly brave. Harry and the other
>> wizards can _see_ where the Dementors are, so they can try to avoid
>> them. Figgy can't even see where they are, all she can do is feel
>> their presence. Yet she was running _toward_ the alley.
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>> =Tamar
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>Well, she saw/sensed two boys in danger, and one of then was
>the one who she was meant to watch.
Watch, not rescue. Her official job was only to send the alarm; even
Mundungus was only supposed to send for help if something happened.
But she was running to help, even though she would have been helpless
to fight off or even protect herself from the Dementors.
=Tamar
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253635 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 10:29 |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:45:47 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>In article <35t052l44q3f1vq2ptc1ea0mnb4i743rra [at] 4ax.com>,
>Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:07:22 GMT, Elizabeth B Naime
>><Elspeth [at] kc.rr.com.grass> wrote:
>>
>>>Mrs. Figg could and did see the Dementors.
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>>No,S he did not and could not. I was most disappointed by JK's
>>revelation. That meant Figgy lied at Harry's trial, a very dangerous
>>thing to do. Especially form a squib.
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>It also means that Figgy is incredibly brave. Harry and the other
>wizards can _see_ where the Dementors are, so they can try to avoid
>them. Figgy can't even see where they are, all she can do is feel
>their presence. Yet she was running _toward_ the alley.
>
>=Tamar
And the poor gal was absolutely useless, having no magic. If Harry
didn't produce his patronus, Figgy'd arrive in time to see Harry
undergoing a Soul Sucking.
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253852 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 21:41 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I recall in PoA that Stan Shunpike remarked that Muggles don't see or
> sense magic, as he explains to Harry how the nonwizrds are so
> unperturbed by the Knight Bus. I also remember in PS that Hagrid
> comments to Harry that the entrance to the Leaky Cauldron wouldn't be
> apparent to Muggles. This makes me wonder: how is it then that
> Hermione's parents can enter Diagon Alley and sense all that is about
> them? A magical spell? Maybe some ritual that sort of "unlocks" the
> minds of muggles so they perceive the magical world? Which also leads
> me to wonder if they would be able to see dementors while in Diagon
> Alley.
Clearly, Stan was being a little simplistic with his answer - Stan
being pretty simplixtic anyway. If muggles couldn't see magic, Harry &
Ron wouldn't have been spotted in the flying Anglia in CoS. There
would be no need for memory modification. To me, it's a combination of
charms that keep the Knight bus invisible to muggles most of the time
combined with the standard muggle mind-set that says, if they do happen
to glimpse something, "Nah, I couldn't have seen that. That would be
like magic and everyone knows magic doesn't really exist!"
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| Re: "Them Muggle's Don't Notice Nothing, Do They" [message #253912 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 07:01 |
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On 1 May 2006 12:41:20 -0700, "David" <dmclallen [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>to glimpse something, "Nah, I couldn't have seen that. That would be
>like magic and everyone knows magic doesn't really exist!"
Shh. You can actually hear David Blaine weeping.
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