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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » For various levels of rescue...
| For various levels of rescue... [message #251326] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 18:53 |
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Anybody want a dog? Or a cat?
"At 5 AM on Tuesday March 14th, animal rescuers evacuated the
Tangipahoa Animal Shelter in Hammond Louisiana to save the lives of
about sixty dogs and thirty cats. These animals had survived three
hurricanes and the toxic, flood ravaged streets they used to call home
only to end up on the shelter's euthanasia list."
read more here:
http://www.muttshack.org/rescuenews.php?include=1378
They look like good people.
Our own local shelter received quite a few animals from New Orleans
after Katrina. Steve Wozniak paid to have them flown here and he paid
for their treatment and housing costs.
Nice.
I also like this group: United Animal Nations:
http://www.uan.org/
They rescue, treat and shelter animals during disasters and were very
active in New Orleans.
Training classes are currently being scheduled - all sorts of
volunteers are needed.
WitsEnd
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #251370 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 22:49 |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:53:45 -0700, WitsEnd wrote:
> Anybody want a dog? Or a cat?
>
> "At 5 AM on Tuesday March 14th, animal rescuers evacuated the
> Tangipahoa Animal Shelter in Hammond Louisiana to save the lives of
> about sixty dogs and thirty cats. These animals had survived three
> hurricanes and the toxic, flood ravaged streets they used to call home
> only to end up on the shelter's euthanasia list."
>
> read more here:
> http://www.muttshack.org/rescuenews.php?include=1378
Ooooh, they're all so cute, it's a shame I live in the UK, or I would have
loved to have one! BTW isn't the last pic'of a pony?
All the best
Sofie
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252129 ] |
Mi, 12 April 2006 19:08 |
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read more here:
> http://www.muttshack.org/rescuenews.php?include=1378
Ooooh, they're all so cute, it's a shame I live in the UK, or I would
have
loved to have one! BTW isn't the last pic'of a pony?
All the best
Sofie
Yep :-)
UAN and other groups like it rescued dogs, cats, cattle, sheep, horses,
geese, lamas, pigs, goats, et al, and the wildlife groups were out
there in force, as well.
The volunteers at UAN can get a frightened donkey off a roof and into a
boat. They have many skills.
The Seabees helped rescue dolphins from the damaged aquatic park:
http://katrinahelp.info/wiki/index.php/Animal_Rescue_Resourc es
Often, individuals just showed up to help. One man drove in from out
of state, picked up 30 dogs in his truck and took them back to his farm
and cared for them on his own dime, until he could reuite them with
their owners or find them new homes.
My favorite Katrina rescue story is the one about Kanga, a rottweiler,
who jumped out an open window in the upper story of her home, swam two
houses down the block (in rising flood waters) and climbed up on the
roof to save her her buddy Roo, a small pit bull who was trapped on the
roof. Kanga took Roo between her teeth, swam back with her buddy in
her mouth through strong currents, got them both back to her own house,
climbed up on her sloping roof and then took the two of them into
safety back through that open window.
The rescue crews who were out in boats looking for human survivors saw
all this and went back two days later to check on the dogs. Their
owners were dead in their homes, so Kanga was flow out here with Roo
and adopted almost immediately by one of the HS staff. Roo is still
waiting for a home:
http://www.hssv.org/SERVICE/SPECIAL_NEEDS/adopt_katrina.htm
WitsEnd
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252217 ] |
Mi, 12 April 2006 23:36 |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:08:57 -0700, WitsEnd wrote:
> My favorite Katrina rescue story is the one about Kanga, a rottweiler,
> who jumped out an open window in the upper story of her home, swam two
> houses down the block (in rising flood waters) and climbed up on the
> roof to save her her buddy Roo, a small pit bull who was trapped on the
> roof. Kanga took Roo between her teeth, swam back with her buddy in
> her mouth through strong currents, got them both back to her own house,
> climbed up on her sloping roof and then took the two of them into
> safety back through that open window.
Oh that so sweet'n'cute! Makes me wonder how you know all these stories
though - do you work there too?
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252410 ] |
Do, 13 April 2006 18:59 |
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Sofia wrote:
Makes me wonder how you know all these stories though - do you work
there too?
Not for them, as much as with them :-) I don't get paid, I'm a
volunteer with several different groups. My husband and I are both
trained as wildlife rehabbers and we've done that since 1993. I've
been working in companion animal rescue since 1987. Once the universe
gets your address, it sends you beasties Post Haste.
This sort of work is very much "learn by doing." I made a
pilgrimage once to Colorado to meet a U.S. expert in raptor
rehabilitation. Amazing woman. She has 7 barns on her property full
of every kind of owls, eagles, hawks, kestrels; you name it, all
getting ready for release. When I met her, she had just accepted a
ride from the U.S. air force and was headed out to Alaska in a week's
time. They were going to help her take a gyrfalcon there for release
back inin the wild. It had been born in captivity and was fed badly
and kept in too small a space. She got its strength back up and then
she had to teach it how to hunt properly. I asked her how to learned
how to do this. She told me that 25 years ago her daughter brought home
a baby bird with a broken foot from the playground. She splinted the
leg as best she could. Then she went down the library, looked up some
books on birds, and made the baby a bird mash made out of dry cat food
and liquids. (With small variations, it's a mash most of us still
use). People heard she could do this, and brought her more birds. She
kept learning. She had to feed them, so she learned how to raise
rabbets and gerbils. She needed money for her birds, so she learned
how to raise funds and get the word out. Now she's an expert on
raptors and has a non-profit foundation, and she trains rehab students,
and oversees hundreds of volunteers. Zoos and birders come to her for
advice and bring her patients from all over the world.
I want to be her when I grow up :-)
Sometimes we work with teams, sometimes alone. Sometimes I raise funds
for groups, help with P.R. and press releases or organize events, and
sometimes I sit on the odd board of directors, and help them spend
their money wisely. Nonprofits are a great place to get or experience
or to use the experience you have in ways that really matter.
If you want to get involved, here are some places in the U.S.
http://www.wildliferesponse.org/links.htm
They will give you volunteer training.
Fair warning though: Once they find out you can or will do something,
they will ask you to do more and more. So most of us have to learn how
to say "No" as well as "Yes".
As for the companion animals, well, its like Hemmingway said: One cat
just leads to another.
Regards,
Denise
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252416 ] |
Do, 13 April 2006 19:15 |
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Urpp! I'm sorry, Sofia. You very clearly said that you live in the UK
Here's a better link for you:
http://www.animalrescuers.co.uk/html/ukwild.html
as for companion animal rescue, well, I think you folks invented it
<grin> You'll be tripping over groups out there.
all good things,
Denise
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252546 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 05:13 |
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On 13 Apr 2006 09:59:18 -0700, "WitsEnd" <witsend [at] ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Fair warning though: Once they find out you can or will do something,
>they will ask you to do more and more. So most of us have to learn how
>to say "No" as well as "Yes".
This is why I don't tell people I work with computers :)
I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would make
people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another. The
behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
-SteveD
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Alas, I seldom have a need for professional soldiers and 3rd grade
teachers. - Arthur Hagen
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252550 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 05:20 |
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geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2006 09:59:18 -0700, "WitsEnd" <witsend [at] ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fair warning though: Once they find out you can or will do
>> something, they will ask you to do more and more. So most of us
>> have to learn how to say "No" as well as "Yes".
>
> This is why I don't tell people I work with computers :)
>
> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar or
criticise some literature for them.
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252555 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 06:04 |
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Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar
> or criticise some literature for them.
Once I get my first novel finished, I'll ask you. :-)
Regards,
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*Art
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252558 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 06:50 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Once I get my first novel finished, I'll ask you. :-)
A gallant offer, Sir Art, right up there with Rocky's offer to strip to the
skin.
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252566 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 08:50 |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:20:23 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
>> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
>> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
>> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
>
>I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar or
>criticise some literature for them.
Have they asked if you know any publishers?
-SteveD
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252589 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 12:33 |
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In article <XxE%f.2797$Fy2.1313 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar or
>criticise some literature for them.
Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my Firefly
Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first half), available at:
http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
and to ask for comments...
But I won't. (Or should that be "sha'n't"?)
Cat.
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Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
At last... we can retire and give up this life of crime.
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252594 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 13:41 |
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geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:20:23 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
wrote:
> >geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> >> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
> >> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
> >> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
> >I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar or
> >criticise some literature for them.
> Have they asked if you know any publishers?
I don't usually mind people asking me about writing-linked stuff, but I
don't really feel I've got an awful lot of advice to give, apart from
"It's hard work", which most people know anyway.
CCA
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252595 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 13:43 |
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The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my Firefly
> Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first half), available at:
> http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
> and to ask for comments...
>
> But I won't. (Or should that be "sha'n't"?)
*looks at website*
Can I borrow your cat? :-)
(Oh, and the Firefly fic is excellent - waiting for next instalment)
CCA
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Jazz-loving soulmate and fellow Firefly appreciator to Cat
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252599 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 14:07 |
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On 2006-04-13 22:20:23 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar or
> criticise some literature for them.
Strange. I know numerous writers and agents who are always complaining
about the very same request, to wit, acquaintainces asking them to read
their books or asking for help getting published.
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252603 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 14:13 |
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On 14 Apr, Stacie Hanes wrote:
[snip]
> Rocky's offer to strip to the skin.
>
I must have missed that one...
"Was that Rocky? What was he wearing?"
"I dunno, but it needs ironing..."
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
I came home from work the other day and found that someone had
stolen all my furniture, and replaced it with exact replicas...
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252604 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 14:18 |
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geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2006 09:59:18 -0700, "WitsEnd" <witsend [at] ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fair warning though: Once they find out you can or will do something,
>> they will ask you to do more and more. So most of us have to learn
>> how to say "No" as well as "Yes".
>
> This is why I don't tell people I work with computers :)
>
> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would make
> people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another. The
> behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
I'm a scientist investigating male fertility. I can't *remember* the last
time someone offered me a biopsy of their bollocks.
Peter
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252605 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 14:19 |
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Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>>
>> Once I get my first novel finished, I'll ask you. :-)
>
> A gallant offer, Sir Art, right up there with Rocky's offer to strip
> to the skin.
We older gents are nothing but gallant. :-)
Don't worry. I'm still at least months away from a full manuscript.
Teaser: Explicit lyrics. May contain nuts.
Regards,
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*Art
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252616 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 15:00 |
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René <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US> wrote:
> On 2006-04-13 22:20:23 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar
>> or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Strange. I know numerous writers and agents who are always complaining
> about the very same request, to wit, acquaintainces asking them to
> read their books or asking for help getting published.
That's different. I'd wager few of those people would actually want someone
to criticize their baby, and point out all the flaws. They want praise, and
help with the non-writing aspects.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252618 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 15:17 |
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Stacie Hanes wrote:
> geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
>> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
>> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
>
> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their grammar
> or criticise some literature for them.
Um... Not that I've ever asked your opinion on this piece, of course.
http://www.cunobaros.com/fiction/fatn/
I'm sure you'd remember if I had.
Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
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Fr, 14 April 2006 15:38 |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:18:03 +0100, "Peter Ellis" <pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>I'm a scientist investigating male fertility. I can't *remember* the last
>time someone offered me a biopsy of their bollocks.
"So doc, if I drop me daks could you have a quick feel around and tell me
what's causing the necrotic disintegration?"
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252625 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 16:01 |
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On 2006-04-14 08:38:22 -0500, geminii [at] tpg.com.au said:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:18:03 +0100, "Peter Ellis" <pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm a scientist investigating male fertility. I can't *remember* the
>> last time someone offered me a biopsy of their bollocks.
>
> "So doc, if I drop me daks could you have a quick feel around and tell me
> what's causing the necrotic disintegration?"
I just threw up a little in my mouth having read that.
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252652 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:10 |
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In article <1145015020.663314.261340 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>
>> Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my Firefly
>> Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first half), available at:
>> http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
>> and to ask for comments...
>>
>> But I won't. (Or should that be "sha'n't"?)
>
>*looks at website*
>
>Can I borrow your cat? :-)
As soon as I can tempt her into this Jiffy Bag, yes...
>(Oh, and the Firefly fic is excellent - waiting for next instalment)
Ta!
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Some people juggle geese.
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252661 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:33 |
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Brian Howlett wrote:
> On 14 Apr, Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Rocky's offer to strip to the skin.
>>
> I must have missed that one...
It was quite a while ago, when I was complaining of a lack of naked people
in my life.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252662 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:34 |
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geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:20:23 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
>
>>> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
>>> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
>>> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
>>
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Have they asked if you know any publishers?
Actually, no, which is funny. I don't know them in any influential way, but
when someone saw the pictures from that thing I went to in March, he
expressed deep envy about my literary contacts. I meet the head of Tor's
fantasy division a couple of times a year, but it's not like I have any pull
in that respect, whereas I'm actually good at editing. :-)
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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Fr, 14 April 2006 18:39 |
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The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> In article <XxE%f.2797$Fy2.1313 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my
> Firefly Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first
> half), available at:
> http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
> and to ask for comments...
>
> But I won't. (Or should that be "sha'n't"?)
Does that mean you want a feminist, desconstruction, New Historicist,
Structuralist, Marxist, Queer, New Critical, New Aestheticist, or
Psychoanalytic reading? Or a feminist-New Aesthetical-psychoanalytic reading
with reference to postmodern theorists?
Advisory: do not mix Structuralist and Post-Structuralist theory without
goggles and a blast wall.
On a serious note, fanfic actually wigs me right out, conceptually. I could
read it, but it might take me months to work up the nerve.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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Fr, 14 April 2006 18:41 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-04-13 22:20:23 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Strange. I know numerous writers and agents who are always
> complaining about the very same request, to wit, acquaintainces asking
> them to
> read their books or asking for help getting published.
Maybe the weapons and leather are off-putting. I do occasionally[1] dress
like the Hell's Angel of grammar[2].
[1] often
[2] use your imagination
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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Fr, 14 April 2006 18:43 |
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Orjan Westin wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure what kind of job someone could have that would
>>> make people NOT ask for freebies or advice of one kind of another.
>>> The behaviour seems to be ingrained in the thoughtless.
>>
>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>
> Um... Not that I've ever asked your opinion on this piece, of
> course. http://www.cunobaros.com/fiction/fatn/
> I'm sure you'd remember if I had.
<cough>
I swear I'll be done with this degree soon, or at least the coursework.
<blush>
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Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252670 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:44 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-04-14 08:38:22 -0500, geminii [at] tpg.com.au said:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:18:03 +0100, "Peter Ellis"
>> <pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> I'm a scientist investigating male fertility. I can't *remember*
>>> the last time someone offered me a biopsy of their bollocks.
>>
>> "So doc, if I drop me daks could you have a quick feel around and
>> tell me what's causing the necrotic disintegration?"
>
> I just threw up a little in my mouth having read that.
I don't imagine proctologists get much of that at parties, either.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator, &
Speaker-To-Students AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252672 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:55 |
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In article <ReQ%f.3143$BS2.1234 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>> In article <XxE%f.2797$Fy2.1313 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>>
>> Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my
>> Firefly Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first
>> half), available at:
>> http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
>> and to ask for comments...
>>
>> But I won't. (Or should that be "sha'n't"?)
>
>Does that mean you want a feminist, desconstruction, New Historicist,
>Structuralist, Marxist, Queer, New Critical, New Aestheticist, or
>Psychoanalytic reading? Or a feminist-New Aesthetical-psychoanalytic reading
>with reference to postmodern theorists?
Yes.
>On a serious note, fanfic actually wigs me right out, conceptually. I could
>read it, but it might take me months to work up the nerve.
I get that reaction to my writing a lot...
Alternatively, you could drop in on my home page and go "Awwww" at the
picture of my cat.
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Two by two, hands of blue...
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252673 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 18:58 |
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On 14 Apr, Stacie Hanes wrote:
> Brian Howlett wrote:
>> On 14 Apr, Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Rocky's offer to strip to the skin.
>>>
>> I must have missed that one...
>
> It was quite a while ago, when I was complaining of a lack of naked people
> in my life.
>
You could always join a Naturist group...
Mind you, some people shouldn't go naked *ever*, even in the privacy
of their own home.
Mirrors in bathrooms are a no-no as well ;-)
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
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He's fallen in the water!
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252680 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 19:49 |
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Art wrote:
That's different. I'd wager few of those people would actually want
someone
to criticize their baby, and point out all the flaws. They want
praise, and
help with the non-writing aspects.
WE replied:
So true.
There are people who put the work first, and there are people who put
their egos first. I'll do anything for the first type of writer, and
I have no patience with the second sort.
I just fired one of our senior staff writers for that very same sort of
reason (1) She finished the April issue and included sent us a
political rant on changes in abortion law completely out of the blue.
Since she had done very good work for us before, I spent two hours
writing an email showing her how to include the same information but
make it:
1) A think piece which would invite people to consider the various
arguments, and not a rant which tells people how they should think
2) Something not so one sided and political. Our members are good
hearted, reasonable people and many of them do not agree on this issue.
I told her that she didn't need to change it if she did not want to,
but that it would not work for our newsletter, which is a house organ
for a non-profit group. I then offered to give her contacts to other
publishers who might use it. (Frankly, it was so unlike her, so
overheated and badly written that anyone who got it was going to edit
it, but that was their problem, not mine).
She quit, without giving notice. As she was also Editor-in-Chief, this
left the other staff (me included) in the lurch for the next two
issues.
I waited a day and then called. We spoke on the phone for an hour.
She claimed that I was repressing her. I repeated that she could
include the same info in a more subtle form and thus respect our
readers and our format. She claimed to have all the gods and truth on
her side. (I'm on the phone now thinking, "What is this, High
School?") I asked why she was quitting so suddenly without giving us
time to find a replacement. (Finding someone with her skill set took 2
months and training her took 6). The (younger) woman answered that we
did not understand how important this particular issue was to women
everywhere. (OK, we can play "more feminist than thou", but it's
just too easy for me, the old broad with the NOW membership, to win
that one). Sigh....The rest of the conversation went nowhere fast.
Later that same day: I wrote her a business email accepting her
resignation thanked her for the work she had done for us in the past
year, and wished her well. I also noted that we would be unable to
offer her a reference under the circumstances.
That got her attention. We may be a very small fish but we are admired
within our little pond. She wrote back and offered to stay another
month or two.
So, I fired her ass. We don't need no stinking Divas.
I then rewrote her article - using only the legal info she'd sent,
not her prose, of course, and I added in some more info to make it a
global, not just a western conversation. I wrote it in the format I
had suggested; as think piece with questions and a bit of history for
perspective, and sans the righteous preaching. We got the newsletter
out late. So it goes.
I then called a friend who plays with the big kids (she owns a
independent publishing house and put outs four print magazines) and
said "OK, what did I do wrong?" Her answer? "Piffle! I fire writers
and editors all the time. You spent way to much time on her."
Hummm. Ok. Hard lesson, but I've learned it.
The Greeks said that it was better to learn war from friends, then
enemies. Knowing that one day, a "real" publisher who did not give a
damn about her as a person was going to chew her to bits and possibly
hurt her career, I put on my teacher's hat and sent her an email. I
included a copy of the article I had written and point out that I could
have used the same info in six different ways, and that any other
experienced writer could, too, and thus reach their audience better, as
well. (Not nice, but effective. She didn't need nice. She needed to
learn how to better do her job). I told her that I hoped this episode
would help her to work better with the next publisher, and ended by
wishing her well.
I then wrote a nice send off for her in the newsletter.
I won't give her a recommendation, but I won't badmouth her publicly,
either. Anything I needed to say to her, I've said to her face.
If this happens again, I'll be less of a teacher and friendly
colleague in the beginning, and more far more the hard nosed publisher.
(Yeah, just like that guy in Spiderman!) Seriously, I just won't
waste my time on people who don't, won't, or can't put the work
first.
Denise
(1) It's a small niche publication of little importantance, and it will
hold no interest to anyone outside our circle. It's main focus is to
give out information of interest to our members in an interesting
fashion, and to nurture writing talent by featuring essays of note.
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252681 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 19:41 |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:41:58 GMT, Stacie Hanes
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
<trim>
>Maybe the weapons and leather are off-putting. I do occasionally[1] dress
>like the Hell's Angel of grammar[2].
<sniplet>
>[2] use your imagination
That's a heck of a thing to say round here.
Cold Showers! Get your cold showers here. Get them while they're, erm, OK,
cold, I guess.
--
Andy Brown
Wayne's World C Programming Style Guide:
A == B; !;
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252684 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 20:18 |
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On 2006-04-14 11:39:13 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
> Does that mean you want a feminist, desconstruction, New Historicist,
> Structuralist, Marxist, Queer, New Critical, New Aestheticist, or
> Psychoanalytic reading? Or a feminist-New Aesthetical-psychoanalytic
> reading with reference to postmodern theorists?
Marxist?
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252685 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 20:22 |
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On 2006-04-14 11:41:58 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
> René wrote:
>> On 2006-04-13 22:20:23 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>>> I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>>> grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>>
>> Strange. I know numerous writers and agents who are always
>> complaining about the very same request, to wit, acquaintainces asking them to
>> read their books or asking for help getting published.
>
> Maybe the weapons and leather are off-putting.
That can't be it. Despite the weapons, boots, shades and loads of
blonde fur, people still ask me to fix their damn computers.
> I do occasionally[1] dress like the Hell's Angel of grammar[2].
>
> [1] often
> [2] use your imagination[3]
[3] Send more pix :D
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252689 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 20:51 |
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Stacie Hanes wrote:
> René wrote:
>>On 2006-04-13 22:20:23 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
>>
>>>I remain mystified that no one ever asks me to correct their
>>>grammar or criticise some literature for them.
>>
>>Strange. I know numerous writers and agents who are always
>>complaining about the very same request, to wit, acquaintainces asking
>>them to
>>read their books or asking for help getting published.
>
> Maybe the weapons and leather are off-putting. I do occasionally[1] dress
> like the Hell's Angel of grammar[2].
>
> [1] often
> [2] use your imagination
Sounds like an avenging angel the world's media need a few more visits from.
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| Re: For various levels of rescue... [message #252692 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 21:27 |
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The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
<snip>
>
> Now, you see this would be a perfect opening for me to mention my Firefly
> Fan-Fic story (at least the draft version of the first half), available at:
> http://web.mac.com/catofsteel/iWeb/Site/Fan-Fic.html
> and to ask for comments...
(reads story)
Ooh, shiny :)
More. Please. Soon.
(grovel)
--
Dom
afpSlave to CCA
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252701 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 22:50 |
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The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >(Oh, and the Firefly fic is excellent - waiting for next instalment)
> Ta!
I don't know why it is (since I'm a pretty avid Firefly watcher too),
but you seem to capture the characters' accents much better than I can.
I always end up with a Kaylee who sounds like she's from Middle
England... ;-)
CCA
--
Jazz-loving soulmate and fellow Firefly appreciator to Cat
"Don't you just love this party? It's so fancy, and there's some kind
of hard cheese over there..."
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| Re:[I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252703 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 22:36 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-04-14 11:39:13 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>> Does that mean you want a feminist, desconstruction, New Historicist,
>> Structuralist, Marxist, Queer, New Critical, New Aestheticist, or
>> Psychoanalytic reading? Or a feminist-New Aesthetical-psychoanalytic
>> reading with reference to postmodern theorists?
>
> Marxist?
A contextualisation method for analysing social, anthropological,
economical and literary issues. Also known as "history-materialism",
although strictly speaking that is a distinct variation.
Or so I hear, being an engineer myself.
Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
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| Re: [I] For various levels of rescue... [message #252706 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 23:38 |
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In article <1145047841.238091.66400 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>I don't know why it is (since I'm a pretty avid Firefly watcher too),
>but you seem to capture the characters' accents much better than I can.
Guess I'm just a "redneck woman" at heart! ;o)
> I always end up with a Kaylee who sounds like she's from Middle
>England... ;-)
"Bloimey Captain! If yow don't get a neow cataloizer, the sheep'll be
deader than Dudloiy!"
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
I'm just a product of my raisin' and I say "hey y'all" and "yee haw"
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