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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » rhyming slang
| rhyming slang [message #250474] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 01:34 |
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Cornwall can be a very surreal place at times, last summer frinstace
while walking the cliffs out near the Lizard i came across Snow White
and requisite dwarves having a picnic but as they were all members of
the local rugby club i refrained from enquiring whether Doc was feeling
Grumpy.
Another time was as i was waiting at a pedestrian crossing about 20 or
so Roundhead soldiers in full battle dress crossed the road all eating
ice creams apart from one bod who was chewing on a huge stick of candy
floss.
If you like where you live and could'nt imagine living anywhere else i
suppose there must be quite a few reasons why but for myself i can boil
it down to two:-
1 The people here have heard of being normal but want bugger-all to do
with it.
2 You don't have to be David Attenborough and wander all over the
Earth looking for things that make you stand and stare, i looked out
the window this morning and there were 2 three masted sailing ships
anchored out in the bay and on the way home from work i got stuck in
traffic behind a cloumn consisting of a WW2 jeep and 3 six-wheel trucks
full of U.S. soldiers.
Drugs? Who needs 'em. Just walk out of your front door as somebody
famous once said.
Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
rhyming slang such as boat race=face and dog and bone=phone.
Tinfrog
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250503 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 03:11 |
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On 2006-04-04 18:34:19 -0500, tinfrog [at] hotmail.co.uk said:
> Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
> rhyming slang such as boat race=face and dog and bone=phone.
Well, the only form of oral expression doing that (to my admittedly
limited knowledge) is Cockney. Please note that I carefully avoided the
terms "language" and "English" in the preceding sentence.
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| [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250510 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 05:55 |
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Ren=E9 wrote:
> On 2006-04-04 18:34:19 -0500, tinfrog [at] hotmail.co.uk said:
> > Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
> > rhyming slang such as boat race=3Dface and dog and bone=3Dphone.
>
> Well, the only form of oral expression doing that (to my admittedly
> limited knowledge) is Cockney. Please note that I carefully avoided the
> terms "language" and "English" in the preceding sentence.
We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
as convicts. We use many of the same rhyming slang terms
that Cockneys do as well as a few of our own such as:
Joe Blake - snake
dead horse - (tomato) sauce
there are no doubt others I am forgetting. Rhyming slang
is falling into disuse along with many other colourful XXXXian
expressions, possibly because our young people watch
USAian TV all day.
--=20
Buzzholio - Flat out like a lizard drinking
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250518 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 07:40 |
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On 2006-04-04 22:55:19 -0500, "Buzzholio" <Andrew.Burrett [at] gmail.com> said:
> Rhyming slang
> is falling into disuse along with many other colourful XXXXian
> expressions, possibly because our young people watch
> USAian TV all day.
Well, just goes to show that even something as horrid as American TV is
good for something.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250520 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 08:49 |
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Buzzholio wrote:
> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> as convicts.
Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
different Australias?
I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
> We use many of the same rhyming slang terms
> that Cockneys do as well as a few of our own such as:
> Joe Blake - snake
> dead horse - (tomato) sauce
BS. "Dead horse" is as Cockney as they come, by all accounts.
Absolutely no particular connection with Australia.
That's how rare it is. Falling into disuse? You've missed the boat.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250521 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 08:51 |
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I wrote:
> BS. "Dead horse" is as Cockney as they come, by all accounts.
> Absolutely no particular connection with Australia.
In case of confusion, there was originally another paragraph here, but
I snipped it. And then forgot to check that one paragraph followed on
from the next.
> That's how rare it is. Falling into disuse? You've missed the boat.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250522 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 08:52 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-04-04 22:55:19 -0500, "Buzzholio" <Andrew.Burrett [at] gmail.com> said:
>
>> Rhyming slang
>> is falling into disuse along with many other colourful XXXXian
>> expressions, possibly because our young people watch
>> USAian TV all day.
>
>
> Well, just goes to show that even something as horrid as American TV is
> good for something.
>
Ah, very good, both nasty and funny at the same time. Well done.
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250529 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 10:01 |
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"René" <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.us> wrote in message
news:e0v5fl$fsdu$1 [at] news3.infoave.net...
> On 2006-04-04 18:34:19 -0500, tinfrog [at] hotmail.co.uk said:
>> Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
>> rhyming slang such as boat race=face and dog and bone=phone.
>
> Well, the only form of oral expression doing that (to my admittedly
> limited knowledge) is Cockney. Please note that I carefully avoided the
> terms "language" and "English" in the preceding sentence.
>
They're most famous for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't
invent it..
In any case, inspired by Cockney or not, up this end of the country (central
Scotland at least), there are a few which I bet aren't used anywhere else.
Both
involve Scottish TV presenters, news and sport - I'm not going to translate,
as
it won't be necessary:
Shereen Nanjiani (sp?), Jim Delahunt....on reflection, perhaps it is the
mostly only
Cockneys that can have a proper normal conversation with r.s. - all the
others
than I can think of in use around are rude...
G.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250548 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 14:09 |
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Flesh-eating Adrian:
> Buzzholio:
>
>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>> as convicts.
>
> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
> different Australias?
>
> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_words#Rhyming_slang --
clearly other people have heard of it. I can't speak for its
commonosity, as those of my ancestors who have lived in Oz are not at
hand. For more on the original subject, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_rhyming_slang#Other_rhy ming_slang
-- it doesn't mention any non-English rhyming slang, but of course
that's inconclusive at best.
--
\\\\ Jens Ayton, Fratello di Vetinari 36.3636363636364% insane
\\\\\__, Bringing sarcastic one-liners to the common hedgehog since 1999
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250554 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 14:47 |
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Jens Ayton wrote:
> Flesh-eating Adrian:
>> Buzzholio:
>>
>>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>>> as convicts.
>>
>> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
>> different Australias?
>>
>> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
>> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
>> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
>> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
>> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_words#Rhyming_slang --
> clearly other people have heard of it.
Well, of course. Some people have heard of Shakespeare, so the analogy
holds. I just deny that Australian culture ever really made rhyming
slang its own. If rhyming slang were alive, it not only wouldn't be
native, it wouldn't be feral either.
Adrian.
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250569 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 15:39 |
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I'm guessing (1), plus a healthy dosing of sub-Lovecraftian degenerate
inbreeding. I live in Devon, I must point out, where the locals look
down on the Cornish as inbred hicks...
"This is a local peninsula, for local people..."
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250610 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 21:15 |
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GenericUnique wrote:
> I'm guessing (1), plus a healthy dosing of sub-Lovecraftian degenerate
> inbreeding. I live in Devon, I must point out, where the locals look
> down on the Cornish as inbred hicks..
I thought it was Somerset where they marry their cousins (So my brother
once told me).
>
> "This is a local peninsula, for local people..."
LOL (Or LoG) whichever you prefer!
BriD
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250800 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 15:22 |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>Buzzholio wrote:
>
>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>> as convicts.
>
>Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
>different Australias?
>
>I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
>never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
>grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
>rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
>Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia and have never
heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even from ancient relatives. I'll
readily admit I've led a somewhat urban life, though.
-SteveD
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250830 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 17:41 |
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Also Sprach :
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED"
> <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Buzzholio wrote:
>>
>>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>>> as convicts.
>>
>>Are you in the same country as me, or are there two
>>completely different Australias?
>>
>>I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang
>>(though I've never met anyone younger than my grandfather
>>who did so, and it was a grandpa-specific oddity even
>>then). But I *am* saying that using rhyming slang is about
>>as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting Shakespeare.
>>Which is to say, not.
>
> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia
> and have never heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even
> from ancient relatives. I'll readily admit I've led a
> somewhat urban life, though.
There was an "Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators"
book which hinged on Australian rhyming slang. I admit this
isn't *compelling* evidence...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250832 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 18:22 |
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in article 1144209319.487527.56800 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Buzzholio
at Andrew.Burrett [at] gmail.com wrote on 04/04/2006 8:55 PM:
>
> René wrote:
>> On 2006-04-04 18:34:19 -0500, tinfrog [at] hotmail.co.uk said:
>>> Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
>>> rhyming slang such as boat race=face and dog and bone=phone.
>>
>> Well, the only form of oral expression doing that (to my admittedly
>> limited knowledge) is Cockney. Please note that I carefully avoided the
>> terms "language" and "English" in the preceding sentence.
>
> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> as convicts. We use many of the same rhyming slang terms
> that Cockneys do as well as a few of our own such as:
> Joe Blake - snake
> dead horse - (tomato) sauce
> there are no doubt others I am forgetting. Rhyming slang
> is falling into disuse along with many other colourful XXXXian
> expressions, possibly because our young people watch
> USAian TV all day.
We had supper last night at a place called "Cockney Kings Fish and
Chips"[1], owned and staffed by Canadians. The place mats give many examples
of rhyming slang, some I knew and others I'm fairly sure are spurious, and
the decor is full of miniature phone boxes and so forth. But it is in fact
the dog's; the fish and chips were wonderful - as near authentic as I can
remember, and delicious whether or not they were authentic.
[1] In New Westminster, if any of the three Vancouver afpers are interested.
http://www.dinehere.ca/restaurant.asp?r=1042
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250850 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 20:12 |
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"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> Buzzholio wrote:
>
> > We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> > adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> > as convicts.
>
> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
> different Australias?
>
> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
is, so Merkin doesn't count.
Richard
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250860 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 20:36 |
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tinfrog [at] hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Cornwall can be a very surreal place at times, last summer frinstace
> while walking the cliffs out near the Lizard i came across Snow White
> and requisite dwarves having a picnic but as they were all members of
> the local rugby club i refrained from enquiring whether Doc was feeling
> Grumpy.
> Another time was as i was waiting at a pedestrian crossing about 20 or
> so Roundhead soldiers in full battle dress crossed the road all eating
> ice creams apart from one bod who was chewing on a huge stick of candy
> floss.
> If you like where you live and could'nt imagine living anywhere else i
> suppose there must be quite a few reasons why but for myself i can boil
> it down to two:-
>
> 1 The people here have heard of being normal but want bugger-all to do
> with it.
>
> 2 You don't have to be David Attenborough and wander all over the
> Earth looking for things that make you stand and stare, i looked out
> the window this morning and there were 2 three masted sailing ships
> anchored out in the bay and on the way home from work i got stuck in
> traffic behind a cloumn consisting of a WW2 jeep and 3 six-wheel trucks
> full of U.S. soldiers.
> Drugs? Who needs 'em. Just walk out of your front door as somebody
> famous once said.
>
> Anyway, i was wondering if any other language besides English uses
> rhyming slang such as boat race=face and dog and bone=phone.
>
>
> Tinfrog
>
My 1972 Concise Oxford English Dictionary had a section for Australian
Words and also noted the existence of Australian Rhyming Slang.
Wikipedia notes that as well as Cockney Rhyming Slang there is
Australian RS, bits of RS in American and a recently evolved Scottish RS.
Antipodeans have noted that they have not heard much if any ARS, which
is not a surprise as you rarely hear any CRS, and what you do hear is
said incorrectly.
The propose of CRS or any other RS (or American Back Slang for instance)
is to create a closed conversation. Hence the following would be said
(much contrived) "Before we take a Ball up the Frog to the Tin make sure
you have some soft Rhythms on your Plates. Just past the Jack go down
the Aunt and then up the Apples to the Rory and show your Boat but keep
your North shut."
You need to know Ball or Chalk > Walk: Frog and Toad > Road: Tin Tank >
Bank: Rhythms and Blues > Shoes: Plates of Meat > Feet: JAck Horner >
Corner: Aunt Sally > Alley: Apples and Pears >Oh keep up and the back
Stairs: Rory o'More > Door: Boat Race > Face: North and South > Mouth.
To make sense of it.
Also, there is no definitive CRS, just common bits and some CRS is CRS
of CRS, Nanny and Billy are both (Goat) Coat but mean a man's or ladies.
Uncle is both Uncle Dick > Sick and Uncle Fred > Bed so if someone is
Uncle Uncle they are very ill and may end up Brown (Bread) Dead.
Here endeth the first lesson. Also note an Obi is a Fire and in Obadiah
the Old Testament Prophet who was put in one.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250863 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 20:51 |
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In article <0i3a32183sp4lbd65bup8n4nna18idk4qg [at] 4ax.com>,
geminii [at] tpg.com.au says...
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Buzzholio wrote:
> >
> >> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> >> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> >> as convicts.
> >
> >Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
> >different Australias?
> >
> >I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> >never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
> >grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
> >rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> >Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>
> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia and have never
> heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even from ancient relatives. I'll
> readily admit I've led a somewhat urban life, though.
So you don't use terms like "He's go a lot of bottle"? Or refer to
people as "Berks"? Both of those are rhyming slang.
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| [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250898 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 00:45 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Buzzholio wrote:
>
> > We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> > adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> > as convicts.
>
> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
> different Australias?
At least two I'd say.
> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
Rhyming slang is as you mentioned usually
only used routinely by older people but plenty of Australians still
use it IME. It may be that the kind of people who do use rhyming
slang are not the kind you mix with. I would hazard a guess and
say that the further you are from the city the more likely you are
to use RS. I personally don't use it for a number of reasons, the
main one being is that I'm a snob and think it sounds common.
It may be that there is variation on the level of RS across state
lines where we Taswegians with our convict past are more likely
to use RS than the ancestors of german free settlers in SA
(obviously this is a gross generalisation).
It is also possible that I am full of it as my experience is
coloured by the fact that I travelled around Australia as a
soldier, and that the ADF is the place that old slang goes to
die.
> > dead horse - (tomato) sauce
>
> BS. "Dead horse" is as Cockney as they come, by all accounts.
> Absolutely no particular connection with Australia.
fair nuff
> That's how rare it is. Falling into disuse? You've missed the boat.
There'll be another on along in a mo'
--
Buzzholio - I won't be calling anyone a dropkick anymore...
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250915 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:10 |
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Richard Bos wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
>> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
>> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
>> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
>> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>
> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
> is, so Merkin doesn't count.
? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
Adrian.
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Fr, 07 April 2006 02:15 |
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On 2006-04-06 19:40:25 -0500, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> said:
> Richard Bos wrote:
>> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
>> is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> ? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
Uhm. Yank?
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250921 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:23 |
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I wrote:
> Richard Bos wrote:
>> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
>> is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> ? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
And FWIW, I don't associate the word "merkin" as applied to Americans
with dismissiveness or any other like connotation. Since almost all
occurences of "merkin" that I see are reference to American afpers,
the connotation of "merkin" to me is, if anything, "an American who is
bright enough to understand the joke".
Adrian.
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| Re: rhyming slang [message #250924 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:37 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Richard Bos wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:
>
<snip>
> >> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> >> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
> >
> > What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
> > is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> ? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
>
I believe Richard is referring to Seppo which is of course
rhyming slang :)
--
Buzzholio
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Fr, 07 April 2006 02:38 |
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René wrote:
> 8'FED said:
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
>>> is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>>
>> ? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
>
> Uhm. Yank?
Oh, yes. But it's not as if I _use_ it.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250928 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:49 |
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In a speech called 443413fc.9465359 [at] news.xs4all.nl,
Richard Bos uttered thus:
> "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Buzzholio wrote:
> >
> > > We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
> > > adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
> > > as convicts.
> >
> > Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
> > different Australias?
> >
> > I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> > never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it
> > was a grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that
> > using rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture
> > as quoting Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>
> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp,
> that is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> Richard
Well, there's "Hern", but only about a dozen people would recognise it
as fulfilling those criteria.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250929 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:54 |
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Buzzholio wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
> I would hazard a guess and say that the further you are from the
> city the more likely you are to use RS.
FWIW, I spent my school years in a town with a population of 1000 or
thereabouts, located 160 kilometres from the city (by road).
> It is also possible that I am full of it as my experience is
> coloured by the fact that I travelled around Australia as a
> soldier, and that the ADF is the place that old slang goes to
> die.
That - the soldier part, I mean, not the full of it part - sounds
about right.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] rhyming slang [message #250934 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 04:41 |
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Mark Foweraker wrote:
> Antipodeans have noted that they have not heard much if any ARS, which is not
> a surprise as you rarely hear any CRS, and what you do hear is said
> incorrectly.
>
> The propose of CRS or any other RS (or American Back Slang for instance) is to
> create a closed conversation. Hence the following would be said (much
> contrived) "Before we take a Ball up the Frog to the Tin make sure you have
> some soft Rhythms on your Plates. Just past the Jack go down the Aunt and
> then up the Apples to the Rory and show your Boat but keep your North shut."
> You need to know Ball or Chalk > Walk: Frog and Toad > Road: Tin Tank > Bank:
> Rhythms and Blues > Shoes: Plates of Meat > Feet: JAck Horner > Corner: Aunt
> Sally > Alley: Apples and Pears >Oh keep up and the back Stairs: Rory o'More >
> Door: Boat Race > Face: North and South > Mouth.
> To make sense of it.
Right. Whereas if one encounters rhyming slang at all these days, say
from someone like my grandfather (though you're a decade and a bit too
late on that count), it consists solely of "tomato sauce" being
replaced with "dead horse" - and that's all. As in, "Please pass the
dead horse". If it were _true_ rhyming slang, it would be, "Please
pass the dead".
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250935 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 04:04 |
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8'FED dragon [at] netyp.com.au wrote in <e14alj$1f6l$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>:
> Richard Bos wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:
>
> >> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
> >> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
> >> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
> >> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
> >> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
> >
> > What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
> > is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> ? Off the top of my head, I don't believe I know any word for this.
>
You don't need to know the word, it's rhyming slang. The word that rhymes
isn't the word that's used. Hence "china" = "mate", the "plate" is silent.
The point of rhyming slang being deliberate obscurity, with the rhyming
word missing it isn't possible to mishear a conversation and thus
understand it. It's also how Londoners can tell the difference between the
use of rhyming slang by somebody who is used to it and by someone who
thinks it just means replacing a word with one it rhymes with. A lot of
rhyming slang is used so often that it becomes a common usage by people
who don't know it originated as rhyming slang, after all it doesn't rhyme.
In this particular case the missing word is "tank".
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250936 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 05:11 |
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Eric Jarvis wrote:
> The word that rhymes isn't the word that's used. Hence "china" = "mate",
> the "plate" is silent.
I know this, but I can't fathom why you mention it in reply to my post.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] rhyming slang [message #250941 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 06:08 |
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Buzzholio wrote:
> I believe Richard is referring to Seppo which is of course
> rhyming slang :)
I can state categorically that I have never heard of an American (or
anything else) being called a seppo.
I would be prepared to bet that if you surveyed adult Australians
about this, you would find that the number who have ever heard of an
American being called a seppo (or any other variation of the word
"septic") is less than ten percent (at least in most states).
If someone from the Netherlands knows about this, the only rational
conclusion is that this person from the Netherlands collects extremely
obscure trivia.
Of course, this _is_ Richard we're talking about.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250943 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 08:41 |
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8'FED said:
> the connotation of "merkin" to me is, if anything, "an American who is
> bright enough to understand the joke".
....which makes it almost useless, except on a few select Usenet groups.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250947 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:12 |
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On 7 Apr, Eric Jarvis wrote:
[snip]
>
> You don't need to know the word, it's rhyming slang.
[snip]
>
> In this particular case the missing word is "tank".
>
You could also have "Jodrell" or "J Arthur"... [1]
[1] Note the lack of the indefinite article
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Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
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I put instant coffee in the microwave, and almost went back in time...
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #250953 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:38 |
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Brian Wakeling wrote:
> Richard Bos uttered thus:
>>
>>What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp,
>>that is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> Well, there's "Hern", but only about a dozen people would recognise it
> as fulfilling those criteria.
Well, you can't get the criteria, you know.
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251027 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 18:43 |
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Richard Bos wrote:
>
> What do you call a USAnian when you want to be dismissive? Off afp, that
> is, so Merkin doesn't count.
>
> Richard
Dunno, generally 'idiot' fits the bill pretty well.
Berry2K
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251241 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 09:41 |
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geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Buzzholio wrote:
>>
>>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>>> as convicts.
>>
>> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
>> different Australias?
>>
>> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
>> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was a
>> grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
>> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
>> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>
> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia and have
> never heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even from ancient
> relatives. I'll readily admit I've led a somewhat urban life, though.
My father (WW2 vet, now deceased) used to refer to Americans
as "Seppos". For reference, all Americans are Yanks - at least to
those of us not residing in North America. Yanks->Septic Tanks->
Septics->Seppos. It was a WW2 thing, I think.
Geoff
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Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251242 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 09:43 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach :
>
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED"
>> <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Buzzholio wrote:
>>>
>>>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>>>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>>>> as convicts.
>>>
>>> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two
>>> completely different Australias?
>>>
>>> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang
>>> (though I've never met anyone younger than my grandfather
>>> who did so, and it was a grandpa-specific oddity even
>>> then). But I *am* saying that using rhyming slang is about
>>> as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting Shakespeare.
>>> Which is to say, not.
>>
>> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia
>> and have never heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even
>> from ancient relatives. I'll readily admit I've led a
>> somewhat urban life, though.
>
> There was an "Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators"
> book which hinged on Australian rhyming slang. I admit this
> isn't *compelling* evidence...
Definitely not. Most furriners' ideas of the way we speak are
so far from the truth that it's painful. I've even heard genuine
Australian actors being forced to "bung it on" in foreign movies
to fit the stereotype.
Geoff
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Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
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| Re: [I] rhyming slang [message #251243 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 09:45 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Buzzholio wrote:
>
>> I believe Richard is referring to Seppo which is of course
>> rhyming slang :)
>
> I can state categorically that I have never heard of an American (or
> anything else) being called a seppo.
>
> I would be prepared to bet that if you surveyed adult Australians
> about this, you would find that the number who have ever heard of an
> American being called a seppo (or any other variation of the word
> "septic") is less than ten percent (at least in most states).
Try somebody who is old enough to have served in WW2. See my
post elsewhere in this thread.
> If someone from the Netherlands knows about this, the only rational
> conclusion is that this person from the Netherlands collects extremely
> obscure trivia.
And that's odd because?
> Of course, this _is_ Richard we're talking about.
Yes.
Geoff
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Professional Geek,
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251244 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 09:46 |
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Alec Cawley wrote:
> In article <0i3a32183sp4lbd65bup8n4nna18idk4qg [at] 4ax.com>,
> geminii [at] tpg.com.au says...
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:19:00 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Buzzholio wrote:
>>>
>>>> We Aussies also use rhyming slang which we presumably
>>>> adopted along with the Cockneys who came out here
>>>> as convicts.
>>>
>>> Are you in the same country as me, or are there two completely
>>> different Australias?
>>>
>>> I'm not saying Australians *never* use rhyming slang (though I've
>>> never met anyone younger than my grandfather who did so, and it was
>>> a grandpa-specific oddity even then). But I *am* saying that using
>>> rhyming slang is about as ingrained in Australian culture as quoting
>>> Shakespeare. Which is to say, not.
>>
>> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia and have
>> never heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even from ancient
>> relatives. I'll readily admit I've led a somewhat urban life, though.
>
> So you don't use terms like "He's go a lot of bottle"? Or refer to
> people as "Berks"? Both of those are rhyming slang.
No and no. These are very British terms IME.
Geoff
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Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251263 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 12:56 |
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On 6 Apr 2006 15:41:33 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com>
wrote:
>There was an "Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators"
>book which hinged on Australian rhyming slang. I admit this
>isn't *compelling* evidence...
<ancient neurons creak into life>
At the wild dog's home, the bottle and stopper will point the way to the
billabong?
-SteveD
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| Re: [I] Re: rhyming slang [message #251265 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 12:58 |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:51:16 +0100, Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
wrote:
>In article <0i3a32183sp4lbd65bup8n4nna18idk4qg [at] 4ax.com>,
>geminii [at] tpg.com.au says...
>> As a data point, I've spent over thirty years in Australia and have never
>> heard rhyming slang 'in the wild' - not even from ancient relatives. I'll
>> readily admit I've led a somewhat urban life, though.
>
>So you don't use terms like "He's go a lot of bottle"? Or refer to
>people as "Berks"? Both of those are rhyming slang.
No to the first one, although I think I may have heard the second one used
once or twice during the 1970s. Mainly by kids who had been watching telly
programmes imported from the BBC.
-SteveD
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