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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » Re: Fallen nuts
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250341] Di, 04 April 2006 15:21
Arthur Hagen  
Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
> "Lister" <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
> news:hm7332ds9t1deipeefu22f25g7rufqhjdi [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:25:57 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, but Animal is great! He's my favourite Muppet, I think.
>>>
>>> I can almost understand casting Animal. I have days like that. And
>>> I'm a drummer.
>>>
>>> A very bad drummer.
>>
>> Cool, another drummer, besides Adrian, Torak and myself
>
> I do Native American drumming, but I suck as well. Crappy drummers
> unite! :)

So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people scrambling
really hard to cover the rest?

Guitar: Eric Jarvis
Bass: Eric Jarvis
Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie, 8'FED
Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
Violin: Arthur Hagen
Producer: Eric Jarvis
Merchandise: Stephen Briggs

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250343 ] Di, 04 April 2006 15:29
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Arthur Hagen:

> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without
> rocks in, we'd be rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd
> think? With some people scrambling really hard to cover
> the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis
> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes,
> Lister, Aggie, 8'FED
> Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
> Violin: Arthur Hagen
> Producer: Eric Jarvis
> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs

Kazoo: Daibhid Ceannaideach

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250345 ] Di, 04 April 2006 15:28
Orjan Westin  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd
> be rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people
> scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis

And Gid (and, I imagine, loads of others with varying ability, but all
with really good poses).

> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie,
> 8'FED Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
> Violin: Arthur Hagen

Accordion: Orj^W^W

> Producer: Eric Jarvis
> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs

Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?

Orjan
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Re: Fallen nuts [message #250355 ] Di, 04 April 2006 16:49
Brenda  
Orjan Westin said:

> Accordion: Orj^W^W

I thought you played the pipe.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250356 ] Di, 04 April 2006 16:49
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Arthur Hagen wrote:

> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people scrambling
> really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis
> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie, 8'FED
> Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
> Violin: Arthur Hagen
> Producer: Eric Jarvis
> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs

Well, I mostly play keyboard (though not so much in a band situation),
and once upon a time I played trombone. But I also make the most of
the resources available, and if I happen to walk past, say, a pair of
bongo drums, or the tops of the musicians' guild's heads, I can't
resist improvising a little rhythm....

As I've said before, if there was an afp band, I believe it could be
called Sef. Because a <sef> can express any emotion, and so can music.

Adrian

c/o Guild Of People Who Play Music In Defiance Of The Musician's Guild
Whilst Laughing At Their Pathetic Attempts To Enforce A Monopoly.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250367 ] Di, 04 April 2006 17:18
Eric Jarvis  
Arthur Hagen art [at] broomstick.com wrote in
<e0trt9$rdh$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com>:
> Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
> > "Lister" <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
> > news:hm7332ds9t1deipeefu22f25g7rufqhjdi [at] 4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:25:57 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> >> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Richard Bos wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ah, but Animal is great! He's my favourite Muppet, I think.
> >>>
> >>> I can almost understand casting Animal. I have days like that. And
> >>> I'm a drummer.
> >>>
> >>> A very bad drummer.
> >>
> >> Cool, another drummer, besides Adrian, Torak and myself
> >
> > I do Native American drumming, but I suck as well. Crappy drummers
> > unite! :)
>
> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people scrambling
> really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis

Craig Davidson, Gid Holyoake, Huw Davies, Orinoco, Freddy and several
others

> Bass: Eric Jarvis

Craig Davidson, Pete Tyler, Huw Davies, Gid Holyoake, Sui Holyoake, Lena
Williams

> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie, 8'FED

Adrian Ogden

> Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis

Count me out. I can't do keyboards except to doodle on my own. And I'd
assume Jonathan Ellis is capable of making some rather pleasant noises on
the ivories.

> Violin: Arthur Hagen

Saxophones: Simon Jackson, Peter Ellis

Harmonica: Graham Higgins

Steel Pan: Need anyone ask? We have a real expert.

> Producer: Eric Jarvis

Not my bag. I've always left production to others, or when possible hired
Joe Foster.

> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
>

Sleeve notes: Some bloke in a hat.

What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a musical instrument
please note. Get them trombones.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"the show's not over till the brass section reach
the bar"
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250370 ] Di, 04 April 2006 18:06
Orjan Westin  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Arthur Hagen art [at] broomstick.com wrote in
>
>> Producer: Eric Jarvis
>
> Not my bag. I've always left production to others, or when possible
> hired Joe Foster.

I helped produce a Black Metal album eleven or so years ago...

Orjan
--
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Re: Fallen nuts [message #250379 ] Di, 04 April 2006 19:27
Torak  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people
> scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis
> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie, 8'FED

Don't forget Ogden.

Oh, and I'm pretty good on the kazoo. And I used to play the piano and
trumpet, too.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250384 ] Di, 04 April 2006 19:46
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called MPG.1e9c9e7d4154a03c989a88 [at] cenote.gkhs.net,
Eric Jarvis uttered thus:
> Arthur Hagen art [at] broomstick.com wrote in
> <e0trt9$rdh$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com>:
> > Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
> > > "Lister" <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
> > > news:hm7332ds9t1deipeefu22f25g7rufqhjdi [at] 4ax.com...
> > > > On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:25:57 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> > > > <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard Bos wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ah, but Animal is great! He's my favourite Muppet, I
> > > > > > think.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can almost understand casting Animal. I have days like
> > > > > that. And I'm a drummer.
> > > > >
> > > > > A very bad drummer.
> > > >
> > > > Cool, another drummer, besides Adrian, Torak and myself
> > >
> > > I do Native American drumming, but I suck as well. Crappy
> > > drummers unite! :)
> >
> > So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in,
> > we'd be rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With
> > some people scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
> >
> > Guitar: Eric Jarvis
>
> Craig Davidson, Gid Holyoake, Huw Davies, Orinoco, Freddy and
> several others
>
> > Bass: Eric Jarvis
>
> Craig Davidson, Pete Tyler, Huw Davies, Gid Holyoake, Sui Holyoake,
> Lena Williams
>
> > Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister,
> > Aggie, 8'FED
>
> Adrian Ogden
>
> > Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
>
> Count me out. I can't do keyboards except to doodle on my own. And
> I'd assume Jonathan Ellis is capable of making some rather pleasant
> noises on the ivories.
>
> > Violin: Arthur Hagen
>
> Saxophones: Simon Jackson, Peter Ellis
>
> Harmonica: Graham Higgins
And me, as long as all you want played well is "Happy Birthday"

>
> Steel Pan: Need anyone ask? We have a real expert.
>
> > Producer: Eric Jarvis
>
> Not my bag. I've always left production to others, or when possible
> hired Joe Foster.
>
> > Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
> >
>
> Sleeve notes: Some bloke in a hat.
>
> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer
> bass to guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a
> musical instrument please note. Get them trombones.

In a speech called 49falsFogjsuU1 [at] individual.net,
Orjan Westin uttered thus:
>
> Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?

I volunteer!


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Re: Fallen nuts [message #250388 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:00
jester  
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:18:19 +0100, Eric Jarvis
<web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
<chop>
>What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
>guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a musical instrument
>please note. Get them trombones.

Sheesh, anybody'd think I'd never mentioned being musical.


8-)

--
Andy Brown
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-- Albert Einstein
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250392 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:17
Suzi  
In article <MPG.1e9c9e7d4154a03c989a88 [at] cenote.gkhs.net>, Eric Jarvis
web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk wibbled...

> Arthur Hagen art [at] broomstick.com wrote in
> <e0trt9$rdh$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com>:
[Snip]
> > So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> > rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people scrambling
> > really hard to cover the rest?
> >
> > Guitar: Eric Jarvis
>
> Craig Davidson, Gid Holyoake, Huw Davies, Orinoco, Freddy and several
> others
>
> > Bass: Eric Jarvis
>
> Craig Davidson, Pete Tyler, Huw Davies, Gid Holyoake, Sui Holyoake, Lena
> Williams
>
> > Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie, 8'FED
>
> Adrian Ogden
>
> > Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
Suzi Holyoake (I've even been paid to play, so it must count! <G>)

> Count me out. I can't do keyboards except to doodle on my own. And I'd
> assume Jonathan Ellis is capable of making some rather pleasant noises on
> the ivories.
>
> > Violin: Arthur Hagen
>
> Saxophones: Simon Jackson, Peter Ellis
>
> Harmonica: Graham Higgins
>
> Steel Pan: Need anyone ask? We have a real expert.
>
> > Producer: Eric Jarvis
>
> Not my bag. I've always left production to others, or when possible hired
> Joe Foster.
>
> > Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
> >
>
> Sleeve notes: Some bloke in a hat.
>
> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
> guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a musical instrument
> please note. Get them trombones.

Vocals! What about vocals?

Suzi
(volunteering as long as it's folk stuff)
Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250400 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:59
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Suzi wrote:

> Vocals! What about vocals?
>
> Suzi
> (volunteering as long as it's folk stuff)

I can folk-sing reasonably well too - I have no actual training but I
tend to get compliments rather than complaints. :-)

OTOH, if I hear my own singing played back, it is never remotely as
good as I want it to be.

Adrian.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250401 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:35
esmi  
on 04/04/2006 16:18 Eric Jarvis said the following:
<snip>

> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
> guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a musical instrument
> please note. Get them trombones.

I can offer a very competent young trumpet player, if that's of any
help? Some keyboard skills but mainly at the 'dabbling' level.

The older one is a drummer/bassist who is currently heavily into mixing
- especially club mixes[1]

esmi

[1] Four local label releases so far.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250404 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:11
Eric Jarvis  
Brian Wakeling bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com wrote in
<49fpncFocjhtU1 [at] individual.net>:
>
> In a speech called 49falsFogjsuU1 [at] individual.net,
> Orjan Westin uttered thus:
> >
> > Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?
>
> I volunteer!
>

I protest. Surely we'll get at least some groupies that require doctoring
rather than vetting.

At least I can hope.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250407 ] Di, 04 April 2006 21:07
Orjan Westin  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Brian Wakeling bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com wrote in
> <49fpncFocjhtU1 [at] individual.net>:
>>
>> In a speech called 49falsFogjsuU1 [at] individual.net,
>> Orjan Westin uttered thus:
>>>
>>> Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?
>>
>> I volunteer!
>>
>
> I protest. Surely we'll get at least some groupies that require
> doctoring rather than vetting.
>
> At least I can hope.

Gid is a popular man, you know. There'll be plenty of Welsh groupies.

Orjan
--
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Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250409 ] Di, 04 April 2006 21:16
Torak  
8'FED wrote:
> Suzi wrote:
>
>
>>Vocals! What about vocals?
>>
>>Suzi
>>(volunteering as long as it's folk stuff)
>
>
> I can folk-sing reasonably well too - I have no actual training but I
> tend to get compliments rather than complaints. :-)
>
> OTOH, if I hear my own singing played back, it is never remotely as
> good as I want it to be.

I sing a bit, as long as it isn't folk... Had a bit of operatic
training, but mostly jazz and stuff. But yeah, put me on the list for
vocals.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250410 ] Di, 04 April 2006 22:18
Brenda  
Eric Jarvis said:

> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
> guitar.

Why? Any fool can play bass. Even humans have enough fingers for bass.

At a basic level, you can just play chords except that you ignore everything
above the root. That's all that is expected by probably 97% or 98% of
modern bands. Anything extra that you contribute musically will be
considered a bonus by the rest of the band, if they actually notice it -
which is rather unlikely.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250425 ] Di, 04 April 2006 22:44
raltbos  
"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote:

> Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
> > I do Native American drumming, but I suck as well. Crappy drummers
> > unite! :)
>
> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people scrambling
> really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis

Also Phantom, I believe, but he hasn't been around for ages, alas.

> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos,

Wrong. Ex-cornet, but too long ago to be any use (the lip tension goes).

Richard
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250427 ] Di, 04 April 2006 22:53
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called MPG.1e9cc7a9659719ff98997a [at] 192.168.0.3,
Suzi uttered thus:
> In article <MPG.1e9c9e7d4154a03c989a88 [at] cenote.gkhs.net>, Eric Jarvis
> web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk wibbled...
>
> > Arthur Hagen art [at] broomstick.com wrote in
> > <e0trt9$rdh$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com>:
> [Snip]
> > > So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks
> > > in, we'd be rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think?
> > > With some people scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
> > >
> > > Guitar: Eric Jarvis
> >
> > Craig Davidson, Gid Holyoake, Huw Davies, Orinoco, Freddy and
> > several others
> >
> > > Bass: Eric Jarvis
> >
> > Craig Davidson, Pete Tyler, Huw Davies, Gid Holyoake, Sui
> > Holyoake, Lena Williams
> >
> > > Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister,
> > > Aggie, 8'FED
> >
> > Adrian Ogden
> >
> > > Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
> Suzi Holyoake (I've even been paid to play, so it must count! <G>)
>
> > Count me out. I can't do keyboards except to doodle on my own.
> > And I'd assume Jonathan Ellis is capable of making some rather
> > pleasant noises on the ivories.
> >
> > > Violin: Arthur Hagen
> >
> > Saxophones: Simon Jackson, Peter Ellis
> >
> > Harmonica: Graham Higgins
> >
> > Steel Pan: Need anyone ask? We have a real expert.
> >
> > > Producer: Eric Jarvis
> >
> > Not my bag. I've always left production to others, or when
> > possible hired Joe Foster.
> >
> > > Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
> > >
> >
> > Sleeve notes: Some bloke in a hat.
> >
> > What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer
> > bass to guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a
> > musical instrument please note. Get them trombones.
>
> Vocals! What about vocals?
>
> Suzi
> (volunteering as long as it's folk stuff)

I'll do vocals when it's not happy birthday. I'm good at singing if I
know the tune and the words.

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Re: Fallen nuts [message #250464 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 01:02
Eric Jarvis  
Richard Heathfield invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote in
<aJmdne3Yb8LsSa_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d [at] bt.com>:
> Eric Jarvis said:
>
> > What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
> > guitar.
>
> Why? Any fool can play bass. Even humans have enough fingers for bass.
>
> At a basic level, you can just play chords except that you ignore everything
> above the root. That's all that is expected by probably 97% or 98% of
> modern bands. Anything extra that you contribute musically will be
> considered a bonus by the rest of the band, if they actually notice it -
> which is rather unlikely.
>

It's not what note you play, it's when you play it. Rock or jazz bass
requires the same level of timing as drumming. People probably won't
realise that the bass isn't being played well, they'll just feel the band
isn't very good.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250481 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 01:49
Aggie  
"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:e0trt9$rdh$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com...
> Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
>> "Lister" <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
>> news:hm7332ds9t1deipeefu22f25g7rufqhjdi [at] 4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:25:57 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but Animal is great! He's my favourite Muppet, I think.
>>>>
>>>> I can almost understand casting Animal. I have days like that. And
>>>> I'm a drummer.
>>>>
>>>> A very bad drummer.
>>>
>>> Cool, another drummer, besides Adrian, Torak and myself
>>
>> I do Native American drumming, but I suck as well. Crappy drummers
>> unite! :)
>
> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd be
> rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people
> scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
>
> Guitar: Eric Jarvis
> Bass: Eric Jarvis
> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie,
> 8'FED
> Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
> Violin: Arthur Hagen
> Producer: Eric Jarvis
> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art

We're gonna need some vocals... Remember that PIL album that was almost all
percussion? I really liked it, but I think I'm 'bout the only one.
Are you sure you don't want to be hired on as caterer?
8)
Aggie
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250482 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 01:50
Aggie  
"Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:wP6dnTh1t4zIGq_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d [at] bt.com...
> Orjan Westin said:
>
>> Accordion: Orj^W^W
>
> I thought you played the pipe.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield

Not certain, but I think he has to get someone to do that for him unless
he's reeely, reeely flexible. 8|

Aggie
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250483 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 01:53
Aggie  
"Eric Jarvis" <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e9cc70a249931b989a8a [at] cenote.gkhs.net...
> Brian Wakeling bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com wrote in
> <49fpncFocjhtU1 [at] individual.net>:
>>
>> In a speech called 49falsFogjsuU1 [at] individual.net,
>> Orjan Westin uttered thus:
>> >
>> > Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?
>>
>> I volunteer!
>>
>
> I protest. Surely we'll get at least some groupies that require doctoring
> rather than vetting.
>
> At least I can hope.
>
> --
> eric

The cost of penicillin alone will probably be outrageous.

Aggie
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250484 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 01:56
Orjan Westin  
Aggie wrote:
> "Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:wP6dnTh1t4zIGq_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>> Orjan Westin said:
>>
>>> Accordion: Orj^W^W
>>
>> I thought you played the pipe.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Heathfield
>
> Not certain, but I think he has to get someone to do that for him
> unless he's reeely, reeely flexible. 8|

No, I don't need to be flexible.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250501 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 03:03
Flesh-eating Dragon  
I wrote:

> I can folk-sing reasonably well too - I have no actual training but I
> tend to get compliments rather than complaints. :-)

In order to substantiate my claim, I've just uploaded this
(permanently - I intend to leave it online):

http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/create/israel.mp3

It's a nonsense song that came out of the email discussion between
myself and my Israeli friend some time ago. Lyrics as follows:

Wave to the earth; it's been waving at you
Climb with the sharks for a wide jungle view
Vegans eat children, so share yours before
All the icebergs have drifted from Israel's shore.

Naturally, both the singing and the accompaniment are by me.

Adrian.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250502 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 03:05
Brenda  
Eric Jarvis said:

> It's not what note you play, it's when you play it.

Simply play it at the right time. How hard could /that/ be? If even a
drummer can do it, a bassist shouldn't have any difficulty.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250506 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 05:26
Arthur Hagen  
Aggie <aggieangst [at] ymynospaceway.invalid> wrote:
>
> We're gonna need some vocals...

Singing? I can't tell one end of a mic from the other[1], and even voice
recognition systems refuse to have anything to do with me.
Karaoke? Give me two. With extra noodles.

[1]: Neither end fits in a jack or midi socket.

> Remember that PIL album that was
> almost all percussion? I really liked it, but I think I'm 'bout the
> only one.

I drive people crazy listening to "This is not a love song" and "The Order
of Death". Perhaps it's not the world's most advanced lyrics, /nor/ the
world's greatest voice, but they're monuments to the time they was made.

> Are you sure you don't want to be hired on as caterer?

While I count myself a decent hobby cook, that count is my problem. I can
do one, two and in some cases many, but have no experience in cooking for
lots.
And while I'm not ready to dethrone Rick Wakeman, Brian Eno and Keith
Emerson just yet (give me, say, 72 years or so), I still think that people
might enjoy a few psychedelic synth bars better than if I attempted to make
Cornish hen with chanterelle berry stuffing for fifty.

Of course, if people want to play folk songs, it's probably best for all
that I stick to percussion (clanking my beer at the right moment).


Regards,
--
*Art
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250530 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 09:11
Eric Jarvis  
Richard Heathfield invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote in
<0cydnf8a8LVdiq7ZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d [at] bt.com>:
> Eric Jarvis said:
>
> > It's not what note you play, it's when you play it.
>
> Simply play it at the right time. How hard could /that/ be? If even a
> drummer can do it, a bassist shouldn't have any difficulty.
>

Which right time? There's a right time spot on the beat with the drums,
but there's also a right time where the bass comes in a tiny fraction
before the drums. In fact there are several of the latter. There may even
be right times a fraction after the drums, but mostly those are wrong
times.

Then there's the question of how much the beat needs to be emphasised and
who is going to be responsible for doing it. I am not entirely sure how
that actually works, though I gather I've been known to get it right.
However I tend to cheat and let the drums and guitar do the "wandering".

Playing bass badly is very easy, Playing bass competently is much more
difficult than it looks, though not all that hard. Playing bass well is
not only extremely difficult, the chances are that nobody will notice
apart from the band.

That's why bass players tend towards the taciturn and somewhat other
worldly. That and the well known fact that after the gig it's always the
bassist who gets the <insert preferred gender and species here>. [1]

[1] It's true. [2] It work like this. At the end of a gig it takes the
drummer for ever to pack up the kit, everybody surrounds the singer
preventing them from making any sort of move, the guitarists are
surrounded by a horde of spotty wannabees putting them entirely off the
idea, the brass section are already too drunk, leaving the bass player to
sidle nonchalantly up to whoever was the chosen victim of in gig eye
contact.

I've seen two marriages take place as a result of this effect. I've only
had one long term stint as a bass guitarist, and I was with the eye
contact victim from the second gig until well after the band split up.

[2] Though perhaps not for the freaks who don't sling the bass guitar as
low as possible. I wouldn't know. I tend to count them as lead guitarists
using very thick strings.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250531 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 10:39
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Eric Jarvis said:
>
>>What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
>>guitar.
>
> Why? Any fool can play bass. Even humans have enough fingers for bass.
>
> At a basic level, you can just play chords except that you ignore everything
> above the root. That's all that is expected by probably 97% or 98% of
> modern bands. Anything extra that you contribute musically will be
> considered a bonus by the rest of the band, if they actually notice it -
> which is rather unlikely.

In that case you need to come to Stampen and listen to Derek play. And
the other three particularly good bassists we have.
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250534 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 11:51
Brenda  
Eric Jarvis said:

> Richard Heathfield invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote in
> <0cydnf8a8LVdiq7ZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d [at] bt.com>:
>> Eric Jarvis said:
>>
>> > It's not what note you play, it's when you play it.
>>
>> Simply play it at the right time. How hard could /that/ be? If even a
>> drummer can do it, a bassist shouldn't have any difficulty.
>
> Which right time?

If you have to ask, don't play bass. :-)

> Playing bass badly is very easy,

And I didn't say otherwise. You see? We are in perfect agreement.

> Playing bass well is
> not only extremely difficult, the chances are that nobody will notice
> apart from the band.

Frankly, I think you're being optimistic.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250562 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 15:11
naomi  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> So if we ever were to form an afp band with or without rocks in, we'd
>> be rather heavy on the percussion side, I'd think? With some people
>> scrambling really hard to cover the rest?
>>
>> Guitar: Eric Jarvis
>
> And Gid (and, I imagine, loads of others with varying ability, but all
> with really good poses).
>
>> Bass: Eric Jarvis
>> Drums: Torak, Stuart, Richard Bos, Stacie Hanes, Lister, Aggie,
>> 8'FED Keyboards: Rocky Frisco, Arthur Hagen, Eric Jarvis
>> Violin: Arthur Hagen
>
> Accordion: Orj^W^W

Flute: Naomi


>> Producer: Eric Jarvis
>> Merchandise: Stephen Briggs
>
> Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?

Mistress Stacie

> Orjan

n
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250563 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 15:15
naomi  
Eric Jarvis wrote:

>
> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer bass to
> guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a musical instrument
> please note. Get them trombones.
>

My daughter is learning Clarinet, my son is learning Violin atm, but he
really wants a Double Bass. they are both in their first few months of
lerning so we'll see.

n
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250567 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 15:31
Stacie Hanes  
naomi wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> Who'll be vetting the groupies, then?
>
> Mistress Stacie

Thank you. You may be in charge of Public Relations in my global government.

Which, I want to point out, isn't going to be evil, per se. I'm not a
villain: I only hurt the people who *ask* me to. You can't blame me for
*wanting* to hurt the rest--that seems terribly unfair.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250576 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 16:25
Arthur Hagen  
naomi <kittenkat [at] dodo.com.au> wrote:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> What we need are more brass, and more bass guitarists who prefer
>> bass to guitar. Those with small afpers desiring to take up a
>> musical instrument please note. Get them trombones.
>
> My daughter is learning Clarinet, my son is learning Violin atm, but
> he really wants a Double Bass. they are both in their first few
> months of lerning so we'll see.

afp band, not relatives-of-afpers band. Else we'd eventually end up with
lots of skilled musicians and no afpers at all, and where would the fun be
in that?

As to the practical, we clearly need a new protocol that can handle latency
and bandwidth limitations. Something like a new MIDI-over-internet, with a
central repository of all the tracks synced out to all the performers, and a
master MIDI-like stream controlled by the producer.
Playing "live" together would be with monitoring, recording and audience
listening synced to the highest latency performer. Doable, but it means no
solos or other impros that deviate from the meter, since none of the
performers will be able to hear each other live -- just pre-recorded data
and themselves.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250579 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 17:09
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Arthur Hagen wrote:

> As to the practical, we clearly need a new protocol that can handle latency
> and bandwidth limitations. Something like a new MIDI-over-internet, with a
> central repository of all the tracks synced out to all the performers, and a
> master MIDI-like stream controlled by the producer.

Here's what might work for those of us who like to compose. At least
experimentally.

Create a list of participants, and put them in some sort of order.
Participants must have suitable software such as Audacity and
sufficient familiarity with it. Someone composes and records a track,
saves it in an agreed format, and sends it along to the next person on
the list, who composes and records an accompanying track, saves it,
sends both tracks on, etc.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Fallen nuts [message #250584 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 17:19
Orjan Westin  
8'FED wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> As to the practical, we clearly need a new protocol that can handle
>> latency and bandwidth limitations. Something like a new
>> MIDI-over-internet, with a central repository of all the tracks
>> synced out to all the performers, and a master MIDI-like stream
>> controlled by the producer.
>
> Here's what might work for those of us who like to compose. At least
> experimentally.
>
> Create a list of participants, and put them in some sort of order.
> Participants must have suitable software such as Audacity and
> sufficient familiarity with it. Someone composes and records a track,
> saves it in an agreed format, and sends it along to the next person on
> the list, who composes and records an accompanying track, saves it,
> sends both tracks on, etc.

Have you ever heard the avant-garde band "Einsturzenden Neubauten"?

http://www.neubauten.org/

They did something similar for one of their recent albums - they posted
all the tracks on their website and let fans mix, add, take away, and
upload.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250708 ] Do, 06 April 2006 03:58
Brenda  
Arthur Hagen said:

> Playing "live" together would be with monitoring, recording and audience
> listening synced to the highest latency performer. Doable, but it means
> no solos or other impros that deviate from the meter, since none of the
> performers will be able to hear each other live -- just pre-recorded data
> and themselves.

Sure beats playing live, when - often - you can't even hear yourself, let
alone the rest of the band.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250712 ] Do, 06 April 2006 04:07
Aggie  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:49gfcmFolachU1 [at] individual.net...
> Aggie wrote:
>> "Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:wP6dnTh1t4zIGq_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>>> Orjan Westin said:
>>>
>>>> Accordion: Orj^W^W
>>>
>>> I thought you played the pipe.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Heathfield
>>
>> Not certain, but I think he has to get someone to do that for him
>> unless he's reeely, reeely flexible. 8|
>
> No, I don't need to be flexible.
>
> Orjan

I'm not touchin' it. Nope. Nosir. Uh huh. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Not me. Somebody *else* can just run willy nilly with that.
I'm sittin' right here.
Aggie
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250717 ] Do, 06 April 2006 04:31
Aggie  
"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:e0vddq$651$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com...
> Aggie <aggieangst [at] ymynospaceway.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> We're gonna need some vocals...
>
> Singing? I can't tell one end of a mic from the other[1], and even voice
> recognition systems refuse to have anything to do with me.
> Karaoke? Give me two. With extra noodles.

The one time I was in a group, I got stuck doing some of the vocals which is
pretty funny considering I was thrown out of choir by an appalled choral
teacher. :) As long as the song sticks around C or G, I have a shot, but
people prolly would rather listen to my dog howl.
>
> [1]: Neither end fits in a jack or midi socket.
>
>> Remember that PIL album that was
>> almost all percussion? I really liked it, but I think I'm 'bout the
>> only one.
>
> I drive people crazy listening to "This is not a love song" and "The Order
> of Death". Perhaps it's not the world's most advanced lyrics, /nor/ the
> world's greatest voice, but they're monuments to the time they was made.

I've been a Lydon fan since I first heard him caterwaul in the 70s. I gave
up on him around "This Is What You Want" cuz wasn't what I wanted. :P But I
think his early stuff still holds up. AFAIK, no one else had really done
anything like Flowers of Romance when it came out. You reckon it was due to
band inability to play other instruments? I still listen to those first
three albums, the others not so much.

>
>> Are you sure you don't want to be hired on as caterer?
>
> While I count myself a decent hobby cook, that count is my problem. I can
> do one, two and in some cases many, but have no experience in cooking for
> lots.
> And while I'm not ready to dethrone Rick Wakeman, Brian Eno and Keith
> Emerson just yet (give me, say, 72 years or so), I still think that people
> might enjoy a few psychedelic synth bars better than if I attempted to
> make Cornish hen with chanterelle berry stuffing for fifty.

Eno pre or post Ambient? I really love Eno. I sort of think of him as a
muscian's muscian. The really strange thing is that I only listen to about
five or six of his numerous albums, but I've been doing it for almost 30
years. (Damn that made me feel old.) I tried to go with him when he went
instrumental, but I just couldn't do it. Those ambient albums in my
collection never made the transition from album to cassette tape, let alone
to CD. The stuff people were calling New Wave in the 80s, Eno had already
been doing for years. His contributions made Roxy Music stand out from the
crowd a bit and Ferry was an idjit for pushing Eno out. But I'm sure you
know all this. I just felt like typing it. It's not too often I get to have
a conversation (try never) about Brian Eno in Alabama. They didn't start
playing Bowie on the radio here until the 90s sometime. I am not kidding.
>
> Of course, if people want to play folk songs, it's probably best for all
> that I stick to percussion (clanking my beer at the right moment).
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> *Art

I know all the words to Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again.
:)
Aggie
Re: Fallen nuts [message #250752 ] Do, 06 April 2006 09:17
Eric Jarvis  
Richard Heathfield invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote in
<mOadnXyh08Ba6KnZnZ2dnUVZ8qWdnZ2d [at] bt.com>:
> Arthur Hagen said:
>
> > Playing "live" together would be with monitoring, recording and audience
> > listening synced to the highest latency performer. Doable, but it means
> > no solos or other impros that deviate from the meter, since none of the
> > performers will be able to hear each other live -- just pre-recorded data
> > and themselves.
>
> Sure beats playing live, when - often - you can't even hear yourself, let
> alone the rest of the band.
>

Playing live would be done by those performers who can be at the gig
playing along with a recording of those who can't who in turn would be
represented by cardboard cutouts. That way gigs could be performed by
anything from the entire band to one band member and a lot of cardboard.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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