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Mo, 01 Mai 2006 06:56 |
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I was watching "Kiki's Delivery Service" the other night.
http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/story.html
"It's one of my favorite films. I wonder what it would be like
if we had dragons in the 'real' world that were like the witches
in this movie? Dragons would, under this supposition, be unusual
but accepted members of the general public. So much of the time
I think about dragons as being aloof from society. What instead
would it be like to be integrated into it? What if Dragons had
positions inside of society held jobs and important positions?
Helping to improve society in general. And not a hypothetical
society either; the ones we all live in from Australia to North
America and everywhere in between."
"So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
Construction? Perhaps artist?"
"I'm not sure what I would be. I know I wrote about becoming a
professor at a university but is that what I would really do?"
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250189 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 14:03 |
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cira wrote:
> I was watching "Kiki's Delivery Service" the other night.
>
> http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/story.html
>
> "It's one of my favorite films. I wonder what it would be like
> if we had dragons in the 'real' world that were like the witches
> in this movie? Dragons would, under this supposition, be unusual
> but accepted members of the general public. So much of the time
> I think about dragons as being aloof from society. What instead
> would it be like to be integrated into it? What if Dragons had
> positions inside of society held jobs and important positions?
> Helping to improve society in general. And not a hypothetical
> society either; the ones we all live in from Australia to North
> America and everywhere in between."
>
> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
>
> "I'm not sure what I would be. I know I wrote about becoming a
> professor at a university but is that what I would really do?"
>
hmmm.. well even if we became accepted into society,, i still wouldnt
like society much so i would still go to somewhere secluded and live the
"natural" way... but probably have whereever i endup living in have
power and internet access installed.. and make money to pay for such by
such things as photography or maybe tech support through email and im....
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Zarris
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250192 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 16:38 |
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cira wrote:
> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
As long as I didn't have dragonslayers to worry about, curious
scientists wanting to see what makes me tick, military and/or
government officials who wanted to exploit... or exterminate... me, I
would most defineately have to fugure out a way to house and feed a 175
foot dragon. Yeah, I might be able to find a cave to lair in, but what
about feeding myself if the only herds available are domesticated sheep
and cattle? I wouldn't want to resort to theft by predation and risk
being labled as a "pest." So I would have to find a way to pay for the
food animals I took.
I know a lot of people might say they would hunt wild herds such as
wildebeast, carribu, zebra, etc, but what if there was a fairly large
number of dragons? I wouldn't take long for there to be a strain on
the numbers of wild herd animals? And what about herds that seem
pleniful, but are actually animals on the endagered species list? All
things to consider...
So, what would I do for a career?
I might consider renting my services as a buisness venture? Something
like those charter helicopter tours of the surrounding countryside. If
space tourists are willing to pay $20 million bucks for a ride to the
ISS, I would think they'd jump at the chance to take a tour via
dragonback!
Then there's working with search and rescue. Out in the desert, up in
the moutains, over the open ocean... I might not be able to pick the
person up or pluck them off a mountain (most likely accidentally buffet
them *off* with the backwash wind from my wings!) but with the superior
eyesight of an aerial predator I would imagine I'd be better able to
spot someone in trouble than a human flying around in a helicopter or
plane. I could also carry in SAR personnel and equipment, drop them
off a short distance away, and pick up survivors. With a Dragon
helping, I could transport those in need of medical attention after
they were secured leaving rescurers to help anyone remaing.
It would take a little creative thinking, but I would imagine there
would be quite a few things that a dragon could do to help "fit" into a
human dominated society as long as the humans AND dragons were willing
to cooperate.
~J'Karrah
The EbonDragon's Lair: http://ebon-dragon.com/
My Sculptures: http://ebon-dragon.com/Sculptures.html
My Online Store: http://www.cafepress.com/ebondragon
"Those willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom
nor security"
~ Benjamin Franklin
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250193 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 17:18 |
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cira wrote:
> I was watching "Kiki's Delivery Service" the other night.
>
> http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/story.html
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> "It's one of my favorite films. I wonder what it would be like
> if we had dragons in the 'real' world that were like the witches
> in this movie? Dragons would, under this supposition, be unusual
> but accepted members of the general public. So much of the time
> I think about dragons as being aloof from society. What instead
> would it be like to be integrated into it? What if Dragons had
> positions inside of society held jobs and important positions?
> Helping to improve society in general. And not a hypothetical
> society either; the ones we all live in from Australia to North
> America and everywhere in between."
>
> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
All roles, we need a isolated island only for us
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250196 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 19:31 |
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>What roles would you pick for yourself....
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thoughts drift by:
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<already chosen, Mechanical Engineer>
<having affnity/rapport with machines, aloof from society>
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Anvil*
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250197 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 19:34 |
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In article <dpqdnXQ_QrhHCcjZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
sam_george [at] spishack.com says...
>"So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
>society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
>Construction? Perhaps artist?"
>
>"I'm not sure what I would be. I know I wrote about becoming a
>professor at a university but is that what I would really do?"
Before reading any of the replies, I'm going to toss in my 2 cents *tosses in
3 to account for inflation.*
First, I'd look into something at a movie studio (you know they need a good
looking dragon, their CGI teams keep screwing up). [Side thought] And they'd
probably want their non-human actors to wear pants too!
Not an entirely feasible position--it'd require being one of the first to show
up for the job (if we assume any theory as to why there are dragons in
society: gradual transformation, immediate transformation, or even "it's
always been"), so other avenues of enjoyment:
If one is large enough, one could serve as a means of transportation. I'm
sure people would pay for it (and I mean as transformation, not theme park
ride--although that is another possibility for those who could carry only a
few or only carry children). Same principle applies for shipping cargo.
Carrying passengers would need to be safe and comfortable as well. Think we
can be certified by the FAA?
I think though, that I might be just as happy to run a pawn shop, Library, or
museum. That whole "hoarding" thing.
*Wonders who's going to make giant hot rocks.*
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250203 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 00:27 |
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I believe something to this extent popped up in Dragon-Realms.
Awesome ideas that I can't match with the movies, tourist venture,
transportation, search and rescue, etc. I can't say exactly what I'd
do, but I would probably /want/ to do something similar as a career, if
such events did ever come to pass.
J'Karrah EbonDragon said:
> I know a lot of people might say they would hunt wild herds such as
> wildebeast, carribu, zebra, etc, but what if there was a fairly large
> number of dragons? I wouldn't take long for there to be a strain on
> the numbers of wild herd animals? And what about herds that seem
> pleniful, but are actually animals on the endagered species list? All
> things to consider...
A lot depends on just how many dragons there are. A few? Hundreds?
Thousands? Half of the current population (yikes)? I just can't
imagine the logistics of a great number. There is a certain point
where the Earth just won't be able to support any more inhabitants.
There's a kind of "hard cap" which nothing (aside from leaving the
planet) can change. That's space, when it's used up, it's used up.
The maximum that Earth can support isn't that great, though. Food
production takes space, and other things (like farms, etc.) have to be
built to support it. Much also depends on how much notice everyone
gets that part of the population is going to be comprised of dragons,
and it is going to be a serious problem. If governments/societies
actually knew this would happen, they would likely step up development
to support this virtual population increase, foregoing less important
things.
Sorry for the bit of criticism...
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250206 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 03:26 |
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On 01 May 2006, Zarris was found to have scratched this message on a
rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
>> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
>> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
I've thought about a few things. Police, or Fire Department would be a
good choice. I've also thought about teaching magic, but I don't know
if I'd have the patience to teach someone else's hatchlings how to
determine right from wrong so deeply that they don't just go out and
make trouble.
Perhaps travel agent (of a sort). With the ability to teleport almost
anywhere, I could make a fortune teleporting people from place to place,
but then, I'd prolly exhaust myself too much.....
Another idea I had was for an agent service for otherkin, for those
movie makers and tv producers who want /real/ hippogriffs instead of a
CG creature with a wooden beak on a stick to interact with at shooting
time.....
> hmmm.. well even if we became accepted into society,, i still wouldnt
> like society much so i would still go to somewhere secluded and live
> the "natural" way... but probably have whereever i endup living in
> have power and internet access installed.. and make money to pay for
> such by such things as photography or maybe tech support through email
> and im....
I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too..... Perhaps
on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er, cookies!!
Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!! Really!! };=8Þ
Lord Flame Stryke
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$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++ Draco nigrum, oculi
rubere, suppositus, magus. Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady
Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder
of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake
from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex®
Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from
Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice
Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature Jester doll from
SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold
piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of
Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the
*shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an
Enterprise security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a
planet? -- Tom Galloway
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250207 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 04:45 |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:56:29 -0600, cira <sam_george [at] spishack.com>
wrote:
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>"So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
>society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
>Construction? Perhaps artist?"
Likely the same thing I am doing now...fixing stuff.
I am a copier service person and also do all the network connectivity
stuff.
I have wished on several ocations to have my real wings, I could be a
much better technition if I could just fly on back to the shop for a
part rather than put a call on hold or not have to deal with traffic
problems and just fly on over to my next service call
:>
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Vincent
DC2.D Gm L W- T- Phwalt Skh Cta,bta+ Bco/fl A Fr++ Nn
M O H--- Fo R+++! Ac+ J+ S? I---# V? Q? Tc++[Technition] E+
Keeper of The Great Book of Random Stuff
www.vincentthedragon.com <temp. off line>
v_dragon [at] bellsouth.net
Up the Irons!
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dragonbathhouse.150m.com/klah/dutchovenfaq.htm
<'cause few know what a dutch oven is>
Priest in charge of the pastries
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For you and for me."
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250210 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 08:35 |
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250212 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 09:10 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B6C5C181C0DragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159...
> On 01 May 2006, Zarris was found to have scratched this message on a
> rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
> >> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
> >> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
>
> I've thought about a few things. Police, or Fire Department would be a
> good choice. I've also thought about teaching magic, but I don't know
> if I'd have the patience to teach someone else's hatchlings how to
> determine right from wrong so deeply that they don't just go out and
> make trouble.
>
> Perhaps travel agent (of a sort). With the ability to teleport almost
> anywhere, I could make a fortune teleporting people from place to place,
> but then, I'd prolly exhaust myself too much.....
>
> Another idea I had was for an agent service for otherkin, for those
> movie makers and tv producers who want /real/ hippogriffs instead of a
> CG creature with a wooden beak on a stick to interact with at shooting
> time.....
>
> > hmmm.. well even if we became accepted into society,, i still wouldnt
> > like society much so i would still go to somewhere secluded and live
> > the "natural" way... but probably have whereever i endup living in
> > have power and internet access installed.. and make money to pay for
> > such by such things as photography or maybe tech support through email
> > and im....
>
> I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too..... Perhaps
> on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
> course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er, cookies!!
> Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!! Really!! };=8Þ
>
*snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
*grins*
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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> --
> DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+
> $ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++ Draco nigrum, oculi
> rubere, suppositus, magus. Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady
> Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder
> of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake
> from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex®
> Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from
> Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice
> Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature Jester doll from
> SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold
> piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of
> Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the
> *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
>
> --
> A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an
> Enterprise security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
> and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a
> planet? -- Tom Galloway
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250216 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 13:40 |
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Maxx Pollare wrote:
[]
>
>
> But as long as we're playing why must dragons be a separate species?
> In Kiki the witches are still human, just relatively gifted ones.
>
> So what if in such a society dragons were just dorment genetic traits
> that can be found in the majority? In such a world there would be few
> physical differences between the humans & the "gifted", with full
> draconian transformation the (rare) extreme. Dragonism would most
> likely manifest itself during the early stages of puberty, with only
> a few noticable genetic traits at birth.
>
> "Oh look dear, he has your grandfathers eyes," she calmly smiles, as
> grampa makes his third pass by the 5th story hospital window. };8)
>
> The benifits of the "gifted":
> - dragon powers and ablities
> - physical enhancements (endurance and strength)
> - extended lifespans (3x - 20x human)
>
> The downside:
> - noticeably differences (scales, eyes, teeth, wings)
i wouldnt consider those 'downsides' in any situation..
>
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250218 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 19:53 |
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In article <1146522475.612943.14630 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
drak0l8er [at] gmail.com says...
>I believe something to this extent popped up in Dragon-Realms.
>
>Awesome ideas that I can't match with the movies, tourist venture,
>transportation, search and rescue, etc. I can't say exactly what I'd
>do, but I would probably /want/ to do something similar as a career, if
>such events did ever come to pass.
>
>J'Karrah EbonDragon said:
>> I know a lot of people might say they would hunt wild herds such as
>> wildebeast, carribu, zebra, etc, but what if there was a fairly large
>> number of dragons? I wouldn't take long for there to be a strain on
>> the numbers of wild herd animals? And what about herds that seem
>> pleniful, but are actually animals on the endagered species list? All
>> things to consider...
>
>A lot depends on just how many dragons there are. A few? Hundreds?
>Thousands? Half of the current population (yikes)? I just can't
>imagine the logistics of a great number. There is a certain point
>where the Earth just won't be able to support any more inhabitants.
>There's a kind of "hard cap" which nothing (aside from leaving the
>planet) can change. That's space, when it's used up, it's used up.
Isaac Azimov calculated it once. The max (human) population is where the mass
of all humans = the mass of all animals. And we'd eat algae grown in vats
that cover the roof of the massive world-building giving the entire surface of
the earth (inc. oceans) with the population density of Manhattan.
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Draco18s
DC2.Dw Gm L- W- T Phvwalt Sks Cag^ Bco|# A- Fr Nu M--- O H+ $ Fo R+++ Ac+ J+
S+ I-# V++ Q++ Tc+++[C++]/Tc--- E+
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(q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250219 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 19:56 |
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In article <k9CdnQ6YnbLY2MrZRVn-tw [at] comcast.com>, WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com
says...
>Maxx Pollare wrote:
>[]
>>
>>
>> But as long as we're playing why must dragons be a separate species?
>> In Kiki the witches are still human, just relatively gifted ones.
>>
>> So what if in such a society dragons were just dorment genetic traits
>> that can be found in the majority? In such a world there would be few
>> physical differences between the humans & the "gifted", with full
>> draconian transformation the (rare) extreme. Dragonism would most
>> likely manifest itself during the early stages of puberty, with only
>> a few noticable genetic traits at birth.
>>
>> "Oh look dear, he has your grandfathers eyes," she calmly smiles, as
>> grampa makes his third pass by the 5th story hospital window. };8)
>>
>> The benifits of the "gifted":
>> - dragon powers and ablities
>> - physical enhancements (endurance and strength)
>> - extended lifespans (3x - 20x human)
>>
>> The downside:
>> - noticeably differences (scales, eyes, teeth, wings)
>
>i wouldnt consider those 'downsides' in any situation..
Neither would I.
I think it's one of those "made fun of at school" kind of deals that when you
get older you get to bully the bully. >:=3D
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Draco18s
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Proud owner of a big *shiny* riddle award.
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250220 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 20:01 |
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In article <Xns97B7606048C8HalfDragon [at] news.dragonfur.ca>,
uselesspam [at] dragonfur.ca says...
>Reality folded in on itself, and somewhere the following words from
>"cira" appeared in history:
>
>> I was watching "Kiki's Delivery Service" the other night.
>>
>> http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/story.html
>
>One of Studio Ghibli's best, that's for sure...
>
>Although I'm rather fond of both "My Nieghbor Totoro" or "Nausicaa
>of the Wind" as a close second. I'm a big fan the studio's works and
>have some of the origonal dubed releases on VHS as well as all of the
>current re-releases on DVD (except "The Cat Returns").
I need to see Nausica. }:=3(
(And Kiki, but it isn't very high on my list)
>Ther are also jobs for smaller species, where intellectual pursuits
>are far more valued over strength. Such possisions in the nurssing or
>carring for the elderly come to mind. And for the most brainy of the
>bunch, in reasurch fasilties as living computers and Knowlage Storage
>Centers for the top projects (talk about data security).
I think I'd like my brain to be my own instead of having a ton of cables
jacked into it and using it as a hard drive.
But still, definitely "ultimate security."
>But as long as we're playing why must dragons be a separate species?
>In Kiki the witches are still human, just relatively gifted ones.
>
>So what if in such a society dragons were just dorment genetic traits
>that can be found in the majority? In such a world there would be few
>physical differences between the humans & the "gifted", with full
>draconian transformation the (rare) extreme. Dragonism would most
>likely manifest itself during the early stages of puberty, with only
>a few noticable genetic traits at birth.
>
>"Oh look dear, he has your grandfathers eyes," she calmly smiles, as
>grampa makes his third pass by the 5th story hospital window. };8)
*Laughs!*
As for the idea, it sounds plausible (reminds me of a story series on y*ffstar
that I thought had a very cohesive setting).
Makes his third pass...*chuckles* I don't think I'll be forgetting that any
time soon!
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Draco18s
DC2.Dw Gm L- W- T Phvwalt Sks Cag^ Bco|# A- Fr Nu M--- O H+ $ Fo R+++ Ac+ J+
S+ I-# V++ Q++ Tc+++[C++]/Tc--- E+
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250221 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 23:47 |
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Draco18s wrote:
> I think I'd like my brain to be my own instead of having a ton of cables
> jacked into it and using it as a hard drive.
> But still, definitely "ultimate security."
Mine would be "ultimate security", nobody quite knows what is going on
in my head at any given time.
I wonder what a dragons' edition of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire,
Jeopardy, etc. would be like. I'm not a trivia person myself, but I
wonder what kind of useless, not-commonly-known facts would be used.
--
Al Phi
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250222 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 00:08 |
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Maxx Pollare wrote:
> To a society that's accepts dragons the only limitation would be your
> size, and what enviroments you could handle. The majority of the
> larger dragons would be paired with life long "riders" that act as
> /interfaces/ with the rest of the world. The dragons themselves would
> still be seperate individuals, but with a humans as companions.
I don't know if I'd want to entrust my life, with a "rider", and
basically do everything in proxy. And would the dragon or human be
able to outlive their partner for a good while? Maybe even getting a
new one? I know in Pern that isn't the case, normally dragons or
riders commit suicide when their partner dies. Do you think it'd be
something a little less /extreme/? Oh, and how would communication be?
Would it be something akin to telepathy in Dragonriders of Pern, with
all its limitations (and few exceptions)? Vocalization alone (maybe
even in different language though)? Combination? No distinct
communication?
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250228 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 02:41 |
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On 02 May 2006, Pegasus was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>> I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too..... Perhaps
>> on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
>> course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er, cookies!!
>> Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!! Really!! };=8Þ
> *snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
And I'll pretend I said it behind your back!! };=8Þ
Lord Flame Stryke
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Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
(1) Alexander the Great was a great general. (2) Great generals are
forewarned. (3) Forewarned is forearmed. (4) Four is an even number. (5)
Four is certainly an odd number of arms for a man to have. (6) The only
number that is both even and odd is infinity. Therefore, all horses are
black. -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250231 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 02:49 |
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Quoth Draco18s <draco18s2 [at] _SPAM_hotmail.com>:
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>Isaac Azimov calculated it once. The max (human) population is where the mass
>of all humans = the mass of all animals. And we'd eat algae grown in vats
>that cover the roof of the massive world-building giving the entire surface of
>the earth (inc. oceans) with the population density of Manhattan.
Asimov's sums were a bit questionable at times -- he had a bad habit of
making assumptions. I read recently an observation about city-worlds
like Coruscant and Trantor and how unfeasible they would actually be.
Just think of the waste disposal and raw material requirements, for
starters!
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250238 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 04:38 |
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250242 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 05:58 |
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Maxx Pollare wrote:
> It wouldn't be true of all dragons, ony those of larger size, and I
> never said "rider". Not all dragons are ridable. This is a parnership
> thing, both sides benifit from such a bonding, like a symbioses.
I thought you mentioned "rider" somewhere in there...
> larger dragons would be paired with life long "riders" that act as
Unless you are emphasizing the plurality...
> As for the age thing, it's possable that companions have some age-
> extending side affects. An infulence of the dragons spirte, perhaps.
>
> Anything is possable.
Exactly. It's all supposition anyway.
> Extreme, yes, avoidable, no...
>
> It's possable that given time any great loss can be mended, so there
> is a possablity of finding another compatable companion. It's all up
> to dragon him/her self wether or not things work out.
>
> It's also possable the loss of a part of ones-self only means early
> retirement. Such a society would have worked out a means of vocal
> comunicatons long ago, so there should be at least somone who could
> at least comunicate with a /greaving/ dragon.
>
>
> Direct dragon vocalizetions would be hampered by several pysical
> factors, but not impossable. The primary reason for a companion is
> for faster comunications. Most likely companions would be tuned
> (modified?) to the dragons telepathy transmission range.
>
> The dragons themselves would more then likely understand what humans
> where thinking, but could lack the context of those thoughts...
Understanding all the context would be mind-reading.
> Smaller dragons could possably do without "handlers", since thier
> telepathy strength is closer to that of humans. They could essentally
> comunicate directly without damaging a humans mind, if not vocaly (if
> such training was required).
There's always the possibility that bigger and more powerful dragons
would still be able to 'tune down' the strength of their telepathy, in
order to communicate directly with humans. Or possibly other
creatures...
> --
> Maxx Pollare, only a "small god" within this minds eye...
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250246 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 06:13 |
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In article <iouf525lh7g3j36vqe1h9nj0gqhjd3eunu [at] 4ax.com>, rai [at] dev.nul says...
>Quoth Draco18s <draco18s2 [at] _SPAM_hotmail.com>:
>...
>>Isaac Azimov calculated it once. The max (human) population is where the mass
>>of all humans = the mass of all animals. And we'd eat algae grown in vats
>>that cover the roof of the massive world-building giving the entire surface of
>>the earth (inc. oceans) with the population density of Manhattan.
>
>Asimov's sums were a bit questionable at times -- he had a bad habit of
>making assumptions. I read recently an observation about city-worlds
>like Coruscant and Trantor and how unfeasible they would actually be.
>Just think of the waste disposal and raw material requirements, for
>starters!
True. However I think that building said world-city may be impossible, but it
shows that under idea building conditions the population of the world is X and
based on current population growth we'll be there in Y years (Y being less
than 100).
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250247 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 06:13 |
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In article <1146607736.910658.218200 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
drak0l8er [at] gmail.com says...
>Maxx Pollare wrote:
>> To a society that's accepts dragons the only limitation would be your
>> size, and what enviroments you could handle. The majority of the
>> larger dragons would be paired with life long "riders" that act as
>> /interfaces/ with the rest of the world. The dragons themselves would
>> still be seperate individuals, but with a humans as companions.
>
>I don't know if I'd want to entrust my life, with a "rider", and
>basically do everything in proxy. And would the dragon or human be
>able to outlive their partner for a good while? Maybe even getting a
>new one? I know in Pern that isn't the case, normally dragons or
>riders commit suicide when their partner dies. Do you think it'd be
>something a little less /extreme/? Oh, and how would communication be?
> Would it be something akin to telepathy in Dragonriders of Pern, with
>all its limitations (and few exceptions)? Vocalization alone (maybe
>even in different language though)? Combination? No distinct
>communication?
Look up Dunklezahn from ShadowRun. The great dragons all have interpreters,
as their telepathy would clearly be heard by everyone, it couldn't be picked
up and recorded/transmitted by electronics. So for his talk show, he had this
woman repeat anything he said for the camera.
--
Draco18s
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250248 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 06:13 |
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In article <Xns97B7D3489C924Insomniac [at] news.dragonfur.ca>,
uselesspam [at] dragonfur.ca says...
>Reality folded in on itself, and somewhere the following words from
>"Draco18s" appeared in history:
>
>>> And for the most brainy of the bunch, in reasurch fasilties as
>>> living computers and Knowlage Storage Centers for the top projects
>>> (talk about data security).
>>
>> I think I'd like my brain to be my own instead of having a ton of
>> cables jacked into it and using it as a hard drive.
>> But still, definitely "ultimate security."
>
>Such a socity would be far more "tecnologicly organic" then ours. The
>connections themselves may be simply surface mounts, or even complete
>intigration. It's all upto to the dragons themselves. No one could
>force a dragon to give up part of thier freedom in a societ where
>they are equals.
Oh, I know it's a free will thing. What I'm saying is that I personally would
not MAKE such a choice.
>>> "Oh look dear, he has your grandfathers eyes," she calmly smiles,
>>> as grampa makes his third pass by the 5th story hospital window.
>>> };8)
>>
>> *Laughs!*
>> As for the idea, it sounds plausible (reminds me of a story series
>> on y*ffstar that I thought had a very cohesive setting).
>
>> Makes his third pass...
>> *chuckles*
>> I don't think I'll be forgetting that any time soon!
>
>Yah, somehow that was the first thing that pop into my head when I
>was thinking up that sinareo. };8)
}:=3)
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250249 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 06:34 |
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Captain's log, stardate 5/2/2006 9:13 PM. We have received a mysterious
message from Draco18s. Message follows:
>>> To a society that's accepts dragons the only limitation would be your
>>> size, and what enviroments you could handle. The majority of the
>>> larger dragons would be paired with life long "riders" that act as
>>> /interfaces/ with the rest of the world. The dragons themselves would
>>> still be seperate individuals, but with a humans as companions.
>> I don't know if I'd want to entrust my life, with a "rider", and
>> basically do everything in proxy. And would the dragon or human be
>> able to outlive their partner for a good while? Maybe even getting a
>> new one? I know in Pern that isn't the case, normally dragons or
>> riders commit suicide when their partner dies. Do you think it'd be
>> something a little less /extreme/? Oh, and how would communication be?
>> Would it be something akin to telepathy in Dragonriders of Pern, with
>> all its limitations (and few exceptions)? Vocalization alone (maybe
>> even in different language though)? Combination? No distinct
>> communication?
> Look up Dunklezahn
Dunkelzahn? Strange name for a talk show host. If I'm translating
correctly, it's German for "dark-tooth".
> from ShadowRun. The great dragons all have interpreters,
> as their telepathy would clearly be heard by everyone, it couldn't be picked
> up and recorded/transmitted by electronics. So for his talk show, he had this
> woman repeat anything he said for the camera.
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-Kalos
Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.
Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke and one Yellow
Rose of Friendship from Gilraen.
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The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scaled Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus Pseudodraco (False
Dragon), species Pseudodraco parvus (parvus=small)
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250250 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 08:17 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B7BE1573F94DragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159...
> On 02 May 2006, Pegasus was found to have scratched this message on a rock
> in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >> I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too.....
Perhaps
> >> on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
> >> course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er, cookies!!
> >> Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!! Really!! };=8Þ
> > *snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
>
> And I'll pretend I said it behind your back!! };=8Þ
Hey! Have to stick up for my younger buddies!
*is Ranger Guide herself*
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
>
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> DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+ $
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> Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
> Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
> Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8
from
> Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
> Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of
the
> Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
> Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
> Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
> Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
> First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
> Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
>
> --
> (1) Alexander the Great was a great general. (2) Great generals are
> forewarned. (3) Forewarned is forearmed. (4) Four is an even number.
(5)
> Four is certainly an odd number of arms for a man to have. (6) The only
> number that is both even and odd is infinity. Therefore, all horses are
> black. -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250256 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 09:57 |
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Quoth Draco18s <draco18s2 [at] _SPAM_hotmail.com>:
....
>True. However I think that building said world-city may be impossible, but
>it shows that under idea building conditions the population of the world is
>X and based on current population growth we'll be there in Y years (Y
>being less than 100).
Given that Coruscant could comfortably hold a trillion people (if we
ignore the infrastructural problems I mentioned before), I doubt Earth
could get there in 100 years. :)
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250257 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:26 |
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Draco18s wrote:
> True. However I think that building said world-city may be impossible, but it
> shows that under idea building conditions the population of the world is X and
> based on current population growth we'll be there in Y years (Y being less
> than 100).
And that's without this dragon scenario...
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Al Phi
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250259 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:37 |
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In article <0hog52d1292svijuprvbm623rdj74nr1uo [at] 4ax.com>, rai [at] dev.nul says...
>Quoth Draco18s <draco18s2 [at] _SPAM_hotmail.com>:
>...
>>True. However I think that building said world-city may be impossible, but
>>it shows that under idea building conditions the population of the world is
>>X and based on current population growth we'll be there in Y years (Y
>>being less than 100).
>
>Given that Coruscant could comfortably hold a trillion people (if we
>ignore the infrastructural problems I mentioned before), I doubt Earth
>could get there in 100 years. :)
No, but the number wasn't 1 trillion either. Coruscant had an empire to
support it for food. What I'm referring to was an article in the 80's that
was Just Earth.
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250260 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:46 |
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In article <usSdnaYjg4FLr8XZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
kaloskalyre [at] comcast.net says...
>Captain's log, stardate 5/2/2006 9:13 PM. We have received a mysterious
>message from Draco18s. Message follows:
>
>>>> To a society that's accepts dragons the only limitation would be your
>>>> size, and what enviroments you could handle. The majority of the
>>>> larger dragons would be paired with life long "riders" that act as
>>>> /interfaces/ with the rest of the world. The dragons themselves would
>>>> still be seperate individuals, but with a humans as companions.
>>> I don't know if I'd want to entrust my life, with a "rider", and
>>> basically do everything in proxy. And would the dragon or human be
>>> able to outlive their partner for a good while? Maybe even getting a
>>> new one? I know in Pern that isn't the case, normally dragons or
>>> riders commit suicide when their partner dies. Do you think it'd be
>>> something a little less /extreme/? Oh, and how would communication be?
>>> Would it be something akin to telepathy in Dragonriders of Pern, with
>>> all its limitations (and few exceptions)? Vocalization alone (maybe
>>> even in different language though)? Combination? No distinct
>>> communication?
>
>> Look up Dunklezahn
>
>Dunkelzahn? Strange name for a talk show host. If I'm translating
>correctly, it's German for "dark-tooth".
I spelled it *almost* correct. Dunkelzahn (the e and l switched).
And it very well could be German for Dark Tooth. Though Mr. Dunkelzahn was
the North American great dragon, Lofwyr having Europe (and being predominantly
German). Oh, and he owns Sauder-Krupp too.
And as the book I'm using is AFTER Dunkelzahn's assassination after being
elected president, and as such I don't have much info on him (I.E. a
chapter)--just his Will (which is one thing I have to find and read, it's
apparently pretty good).
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250266 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 02:54 |
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On 03 May 2006, Pegasus was found to have scratched this message on a
rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>> >> I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too.....
> Perhaps
>> >> on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
>> >> course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er,
>> >> cookies!! Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!!
>> >> Really!! };=8Þ
>> > *snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
>> And I'll pretend I said it behind your back!! };=8Þ
> Hey! Have to stick up for my younger buddies!
> *is Ranger Guide herself*
Bring cookies, or I'll sacrifice your girl guides to the cookie gods!!
Lord Flame Stryke
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Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
"The smallest interval of time known to man is that which occurs in
Manhattan between the traffic signal turning green and the taxi driver
behind you blowing his horn." -- Johnny Carson
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #250276 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 05:39 |
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Maxx Pollare wrote:
> More likely without the correct word to discribe it...
>
> I think companions would be the best fit, but "riders" is all I had
> at the time. "I never said rider" should have been "I didn't mean
> ridder", but I was tired both thime I wrote those. 4am is an early
> time to start ones day, and I still can't get to bed before 9pm.
I've been hampered by sleepiness similarly. I'm afraid I'm becoming a
caffeine addict.
> So if you could sense what a bee was thinking, could you
> automatically understand its point of view? Probably not.
I couldn't think of a better word either... *sandbags tug my eyes
downward*
I think telepathy will be limited in that way, because it is just
sending thought-patterns in some way over distance, which may not be
understood by any other species. I meant mindreading in the sense that
you would have to have access to the individual's entire brain to know
what they mean, if said parts differ from your own. And that would be
quite dangerous.
> Think of trans-species telepathy as trying to understand German when
> all you know is English, Spanish, and Ukraine. Many of the words may
> sound familar, and you can /sort-of/ get what's being said by the
> physical embellishments, but it's still a foreign tongue to you.
It is essentially the same, except for one distinction. If I don't
have any knowledge of German, I can neither speak German nor understand
it. It's two-way, if I can speak German fluently I would likely also
understand it clearly.
A dragon that knows human thought process (possibly just to a
linguistic extent), however, can be understood by a human (or specific
human) regardless of whether said human knows anything about dragons
whatsoever. However, the human in question wouldn't be able to
communicate back telepathically, unless he or she also had knowledge of
dragon thought processes. He or she would then have to speak verbally,
which, of course, could be understood by the dragon (since the dragon
has to know human thought process anyway). And vice-versa.
Of course human companions could do more than just interpret. There's
still going to be those small spaces where dragons won't be able to fit
into. And I doubt a universal acceptance of dragons. Humans could be
agents for them where they aren't accepted, etc. Even if dragons could
be heard and understood, that doesn't mean they would be /listened/ to.
And of course, vice versa. The list goes on.
Feel free to correct me on anything, I've got head-stopped-up allergies
(which makes it hard for me to think or sleep).
--
Al Phi
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261550 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 12:11 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B8C05DAFAEADragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159...
> On 03 May 2006, Pegasus was found to have scratched this message on a
> rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >> >> I'd prolly want a place where I could go and be alone, too.....
> > Perhaps
> >> >> on another planet entirely, where nobody would bother you..... Of
> >> >> course, you wouldn't get many girl guides to eat..... Er,
> >> >> cookies!! Girl guide /cookies/!! Ya, that's what I meant!!
> >> >> Really!! };=8Þ
> >> > *snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
> >> And I'll pretend I said it behind your back!! };=8Þ
> > Hey! Have to stick up for my younger buddies!
> > *is Ranger Guide herself*
>
> Bring cookies, or I'll sacrifice your girl guides to the cookie gods!!
>
*shrugs* We don't have cookies over here. We have biscuits. And chocolate
ones!
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
>
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> Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
> Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
> Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8
from
> Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
> Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of
the
> Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
> Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
> Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
> Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
> First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
> Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
>
> --
> "The smallest interval of time known to man is that which occurs in
> Manhattan between the traffic signal turning green and the taxi driver
> behind you blowing his horn." -- Johnny Carson
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261557 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 15:09 |
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Al Phi wrote:
[]
>>So if you could sense what a bee was thinking, could you
>>automatically understand its point of view? Probably not.
>
>
> I couldn't think of a better word either... *sandbags tug my eyes
> downward*
>
> I think telepathy will be limited in that way, because it is just
> sending thought-patterns in some way over distance, which may not be
> understood by any other species. I meant mindreading in the sense that
> you would have to have access to the individual's entire brain to know
> what they mean, if said parts differ from your own. And that would be
> quite dangerous.
i would more think that telepathy wouldnt only include thought
processes,, but also sound and images which would broaden the ability to
communicate by showing what one means...
>
>
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Zarris
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261567 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 03:22 |
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On 04 May 2006, Pegasus was found to have scratched this message on a
rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>> >> > *snorts* I'll pretend I didn't see that...
>> >> And I'll pretend I said it behind your back!! };=8Þ
>> > Hey! Have to stick up for my younger buddies!
>> > *is Ranger Guide herself*
>> Bring cookies, or I'll sacrifice your girl guides to the cookie
>> gods!!
> *shrugs* We don't have cookies over here. We have biscuits. And
> chocolate ones!
Well, you're no good then..... <Proceeds to gather girl guides to
sacrifice to the cookie gods>
Lord Flame Stryke
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Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
"All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism." --
Herd Thinners
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261577 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 04:34 |
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Maxx Pollare wrote:
> Reality folded in on itself, and somewhere the following words from
> "cira" appeared in history:
>
>> I was watching "Kiki's Delivery Service" the other night.
>>
>> http://nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/story.html
>
> One of Studio Ghibli's best, that's for sure...
"It such a warm story, so unlike most american movies. I really
love it."
> Although I'm rather fond of both "My Nieghbor Totoro" or
> "Nausicaa of the Wind" as a close second. I'm a big fan the
> studio's works and have some of the origonal dubed releases on
> VHS as well as all of the current re-releases on DVD (except
> "The Cat Returns").
"I'm glad someone else likes their films and has seen many of
them. I'm in the process of watching Howl's Castle now (i have a
busy life). I've seen all too few of Miyazaki and Takahata's
films sadly. Only Totoro, the Cat Returns, Spirited Away, and
Kiki's Delivery Service. Ok, I haven't seen any of Takahata's,
but I would like to."
"Not to mention that their next film coming down the pipe looks
very dragon related." ]:8)
> Got my copy of Kiki back in 2003... I think... But I rented the
> VHS version back in early 1998, long before Spirited away was
> released.
>> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
>> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
>> Construction? Perhaps Artist?"
> To a society that's accepts dragons the only limitation would
> be your size, and what enviroments you could handle. The
> majority of the larger dragons would be paired with life long
> "riders" that act as /interfaces/ with the rest of the
> world. The dragons themselves would still be seperate
> individuals, but with a humans as companions.
"But if one can interface with such mundane devices such as
computers wouldn't you think that somewhere along the line we
could figure out how to communicate with humans directly?
(Assuming that one could not speak audibly directly in a known
language.) I mean, if people can make elephant noises shouldn't
dragons be able to make human noises? -- with a little practice?"
> Based on size, such teams would do a variety jobs from
> construction (helocopters, dozers, crains) and cargo carriers
> (biplanes & post), to full sized transportation (jumbo jets,
> space travel).
"Aerial Photographer, underwater work, genetic engineering. I
wonder if it would be possible to compete directly with machine
labor at all though. It generally doesn't work. Unless of
course they run out of oil. Perhaps it could be marketed as an
environmentally conscious method of transport. Humm."
> Ther are also jobs for smaller species, where intellectual
> pursuits are far more valued over strength. Such possisions in
> the nurssing or carring for the elderly come to mind. And for
> the most brainy of the bunch, in reasurch fasilties as living
> computers and Knowlage Storage Centers for the top projects
> (talk about data security).
"I had forgotten that I had offered computation services, ie run
your simulation, etc for a price. Building the unix emulation
layer was kind of fun. Unfortunately I learned that my
'security' wasn't quite as good as I thought it was. But that's
another story. With the ability to manipulate electric charge on
a wire I never though about more crude methods of machine interface
mentioned later in this thread."
> But as long as we're playing why must dragons be a separate
> species? In Kiki the witches are still human, just relatively
> gifted ones.
What a cool thought. That would make the join holding the
society together that much stronger. Genetic compatibility.
Should have been an obvious one after all the stories peeps
have written...
> So what if in such a society dragons were just dorment genetic
> traits that can be found in the majority? In such a world
> there would be few physical differences between the humans &
> the "gifted", with full draconian transformation the (rare)
> extreme. Dragonism would most likely manifest itself during
> the early stages of puberty, with only a few noticable genetic
> traits at birth.
> "Oh look dear, he has your grandfathers eyes," she calmly
> smiles, as grampa makes his third pass by the 5th story
> hospital window. };8)
> The benifits of the "gifted":
> - dragon powers and ablities
> - physical enhancements (endurance and strength)
> - extended lifespans (3x - 20x human)
>
> The downside:
> - noticeably differences (scales, eyes, teeth, wings)
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-Cira ]:8)
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261578 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 04:39 |
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v_dragon wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:56:29 -0600, cira <sam_george [at] spishack.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "So the question is: What roles would you pick for yourself in
>> society as a dragon? Life Flight rescue? Military?
>> Construction? Perhaps artist?"
>
> Likely the same thing I am doing now...fixing stuff.
> I am a copier service person and also do all the network connectivity
> stuff.
> I have wished on several ocations to have my real wings, I could be a
> much better technition if I could just fly on back to the shop for a
> part rather than put a call on hold or not have to deal with traffic
> problems and just fly on over to my next service call
> :>
Ah, when I worked at HP in the bay area not a day went past that I
didn't dream about being able to fly home after work... *smackself*
Wow, I was despondent back then. There was something immensely
depressing about getting off work and realizing that you can sit in
traffic for an hour and a half going no where, or you can wait two
hours and then make the trip in 15 minutes.
--
-Cira ]:8)
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| Re: jobs jobs jobs [message #261579 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 05:10 |
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jrrhack [at] gmail.com wrote:
> cira wrote:
*munch*
> All roles, we need a isolated island only for us
"Oh dear. Jrrhack, are you saying that having any role is not good?"
*wonders* "If the others are worried about dragons over populating
earth (not too likely) what would happen on an island? (much more
likely to over populate)
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-Cira ]:8)
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