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original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #249537] Do, 04 Mai 2006 07:15
Malcolm in the Microw  
'Star Wars' goes back to basics
Updated 5/3/2006 6:43 PM ET
By Mike Snider, USA TODAY
Die-hard Star Wars fans soon can see the original theatrical versions of
the first three Star Wars films on DVD.

Even though George Lucas adamantly declared 2004's digitally restored
Star Wars Trilogy DVDs the definitive versions of his movies, fans have
held out hope for DVDs of the originals.

Their wishes will be granted Sept. 12 when Fox releases new two-disc
DVDs ($30 each) of Star Wars (since retitled as Episode IV: A New Hope),
The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that include the films as
they first appeared in theaters, along with the new, restored versions
(now available in the four-disc $70 Star Wars Trilogy).

The individual DVDs will be taken off the market on Dec. 31, a strategy
that Disney uses on many of its classic releases.

Lucas re-released his original three Star Wars films in theaters in 1997
with inserted scenes and improved special effects. Those "special
editions" were further enhanced for the four-disc DVD set. With the
original versions coming to DVD, here's what you'll see again:

• In Star Wars, Han Solo shoots a bounty hunter named Greedo. Lucas
changed the scene later so it seemed that Greedo draws first, and
changed it again for the DVD so that they appear to shoot simultaneously.

• In Empire Strikes Back, the ice creature that captures Luke Skywalker
gets less screen time.

• In Jedi, Sebastian Shaw returns as Anakin in the movie's final scene.
Lucas substituted Hayden Christiansen, who plays Anakin in the more
recent films, for the 2004 DVD.

Back in 2004, Lucas told the New York Post, "The special edition is the
one I wanted out there."

This new set of DVDs does not constitute "George changing his mind,"
says Lucasfilm's Jim Ward. "What we've always said is George viewed the
revised versions of the films as the definitive versions."

Fan attachment to the originals is strong. The movies topped
entertainment website IGN.com's recent chart of Top 25 Most Wanted DVDs.

"People want the option of having the movies that they remember and
people are opposed to George Lucas' revisionist tendencies," says the
site's Chris Carle.

The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not
as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #249541 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:16
karl22  
The most annoying change for me between the Original ROTJ and the
revised one was the change of the music at the Ewok Party.

I have the original videos, and in the original ROTJ
(http://www.wookies-etc.com/images/content/endor-forest.jpg) the Ewok
celebration was to a really funky 'disco/star wars' music.

In the revised version, this was replaced by Pan Pipes and Bongos,
which to my mind is too ephermeral (wishy-washy?) to capture the
fantastic 'Yes!' that the victory over the Death Star II really was.

Does anyone else remember the original ROTJ Ewok party music?
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #249542 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:16
karl22  
The most annoying change for me between the Original ROTJ and the
revised one was the change of the music at the Ewok Party.

I have the original videos, and in the original ROTJ
(http://www.wookies-etc.com/images/content/endor-forest.jpg) the Ewok
celebration was to a really funky 'disco/star wars' music.

In the revised version, this was replaced by Pan Pipes and Bongos,
which to my mind is too ephermeral (wishy-washy?) to capture the
fantastic 'Yes!' that the victory over the Death Star II really was.

Does anyone else remember the original ROTJ Ewok party music?
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #249543 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:16
mdhalbrook  
"karl22" <sally.dickson [at] btinternet.com> wrote in
news:1146728702.149393.311520 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> The most annoying change for me between the Original ROTJ and the
> revised one was the change of the music at the Ewok Party.
>

Agreed, that was really the only thing that bothered me about the revised
trillogy. The Greedo shoots first didn't bother me too much.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #249544 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:16
Solon  
_Mike H_ spoke thusly on 04/05/2006 3:51 AM:
> Agreed, that was really the only thing that bothered me about the revised
> trillogy. The Greedo shoots first didn't bother me too much.

'Han shoots first' seemed to be the most controversial one. I think the
large majority of SW fans would choose the musical number in Jabba's
Palace as their most hated change; but what's there to discuss about it?
Discussion usually happens when there's disagreement. I have yet to find
someone that actually likes the musical number. :-)
--
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Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261505 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 11:51
David A McIntee  
"Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
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> 'Star Wars' goes back to basics
> Updated 5/3/2006 6:43 PM ET
> By Mike Snider, USA TODAY
> Die-hard Star Wars fans soon can see the original theatrical versions of
> the first three Star Wars films on DVD.

Yay!

> Their wishes will be granted Sept. 12 when Fox releases new two-disc
> DVDs ($30 each) of Star Wars (since retitled as Episode IV: A New Hope),
> The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that include the films as
> they first appeared in theaters, along with the new, restored versions
> (now available in the four-disc $70 Star Wars Trilogy).

Oh, for fuck's sake! I've already *got* them, and so has most everyone
else - can't we have the option to buy just the original versions so we
don't have to flood the charity shops with spare copies of the SEs?


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Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261506 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 11:58
Anybody  
In article <Dq-dndcgzbsiKcTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d [at] giganews.com>, Solon
<usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> _Mike H_ spoke thusly on 04/05/2006 3:51 AM:
> > Agreed, that was really the only thing that bothered me about the revised
> > trillogy. The Greedo shoots first didn't bother me too much.
>
> 'Han shoots first' seemed to be the most controversial one. I think the
> large majority of SW fans would choose the musical number in Jabba's
> Palace as their most hated change; but what's there to discuss about it?
> Discussion usually happens when there's disagreement. I have yet to find
> someone that actually likes the musical number. :-)

The only change that makes no real sense at all is sticking Hayden's
head on the Jedi Ghost of Anakin at the end. It's makes the whole
"Anakin is redeemed" point of the story a complete waste of time. X-(
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261508 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 15:22
RobMac  
"David A McIntee" <david.mcintee [at] btNOTopenTOSPAMMERSworld.com> wrote in
message news:--WdnbOp6KNcUMTZRVnyjg [at] bt.com...
>
> "Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
> news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>> 'Star Wars' goes back to basics
>> Updated 5/3/2006 6:43 PM ET
>> By Mike Snider, USA TODAY
>> Die-hard Star Wars fans soon can see the original theatrical versions of
>> the first three Star Wars films on DVD.
>
> Yay!
>
>> Their wishes will be granted Sept. 12 when Fox releases new two-disc
>> DVDs ($30 each) of Star Wars (since retitled as Episode IV: A New Hope),
>> The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that include the films as
>> they first appeared in theaters, along with the new, restored versions
>> (now available in the four-disc $70 Star Wars Trilogy).
>
> Oh, for fuck's sake! I've already *got* them, and so has most everyone
> else - can't we have the option to buy just the original versions so we
> don't have to flood the charity shops with spare copies of the SEs?


The Lucas Marketing Machine grinds onward....
"We're giving you what you want, but you have to pay EXTRA for the crap WE
want you to have to buy AGAIN in order to get what you REALLY want!
Bwah-ha-ha-ha!"



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Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261509 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 16:53
Kris Kringle Lick A P  
Fuck if I'm buying these motherfuckers again.

I'll wait until the HD-DVD or Blueray versions come out so Lucas can fuck me
in the butt again, but with better quality.

Shit the bitch!

"Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> 'Star Wars' goes back to basics
> Updated 5/3/2006 6:43 PM ET
> By Mike Snider, USA TODAY
> Die-hard Star Wars fans soon can see the original theatrical versions of
> the first three Star Wars films on DVD.
>
> Even though George Lucas adamantly declared 2004's digitally restored Star
> Wars Trilogy DVDs the definitive versions of his movies, fans have held
> out hope for DVDs of the originals.
>
> Their wishes will be granted Sept. 12 when Fox releases new two-disc DVDs
> ($30 each) of Star Wars (since retitled as Episode IV: A New Hope), The
> Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that include the films as they
> first appeared in theaters, along with the new, restored versions (now
> available in the four-disc $70 Star Wars Trilogy).
>
> The individual DVDs will be taken off the market on Dec. 31, a strategy
> that Disney uses on many of its classic releases.
>
> Lucas re-released his original three Star Wars films in theaters in 1997
> with inserted scenes and improved special effects. Those "special
> editions" were further enhanced for the four-disc DVD set. With the
> original versions coming to DVD, here's what you'll see again:
>
> . In Star Wars, Han Solo shoots a bounty hunter named Greedo. Lucas
> changed the scene later so it seemed that Greedo draws first, and changed
> it again for the DVD so that they appear to shoot simultaneously.
>
> . In Empire Strikes Back, the ice creature that captures Luke Skywalker
> gets less screen time.
>
> . In Jedi, Sebastian Shaw returns as Anakin in the movie's final scene.
> Lucas substituted Hayden Christiansen, who plays Anakin in the more recent
> films, for the 2004 DVD.
>
> Back in 2004, Lucas told the New York Post, "The special edition is the
> one I wanted out there."
>
> This new set of DVDs does not constitute "George changing his mind," says
> Lucasfilm's Jim Ward. "What we've always said is George viewed the revised
> versions of the films as the definitive versions."
>
> Fan attachment to the originals is strong. The movies topped entertainment
> website IGN.com's recent chart of Top 25 Most Wanted DVDs.
>
> "People want the option of having the movies that they remember and people
> are opposed to George Lucas' revisionist tendencies," says the site's
> Chris Carle.
>
> The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
> restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as
> good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261510 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 16:56
mdhalbrook  
Anybody <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:040520062158595314%
anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com:

> The only change that makes no real sense at all is sticking Hayden's
> head on the Jedi Ghost of Anakin at the end. It's makes the whole
> "Anakin is redeemed" point of the story a complete waste of time. X-(
>

That one was a bit of an annoyance too, but to me, not as much of one as
the music change. I can see, in light of a 6 episode arch, using the face
of Anakin that people will know, we only get the brief glimps of Shaw's
portrayal, and that's the scared mostly dead face of a man consumed by
years of rage.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261511 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 17:18
Karno Dal  
karl22 wrote:
> The most annoying change for me between the Original ROTJ and the
> revised one was the change of the music at the Ewok Party.
>
> I have the original videos, and in the original ROTJ
> (http://www.wookies-etc.com/images/content/endor-forest.jpg) the Ewok
> celebration was to a really funky 'disco/star wars' music.
>
> In the revised version, this was replaced by Pan Pipes and Bongos,
> which to my mind is too ephermeral (wishy-washy?) to capture the
> fantastic 'Yes!' that the victory over the Death Star II really was.
>
> Does anyone else remember the original ROTJ Ewok party music?


Interesting. The new celebration music was about the only thing I
liked. The Yub-Nub song was cheesy and silly. I like the more somber,
reflective music with more focus on the reunion of the rebels and less
on the Ewoks jumping around and acting like idiots. It evokes a sense
of celebration with thankfulness and a reflection over a sense of loss.
The Yub-Nub song reflects only the absurdity of the Ewoks.


May the Darkness be with you...

Dark Lord Karno Dal
sith [at] lords.com

A Nair bath for them all!
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261515 ] Do, 04 Mai 2006 18:45
John Duncan Yoyo  
On Wed, 03 May 2006 22:15:28 -0700, Malcolm in the Microwave
<mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote:


>Lucas re-released his original three Star Wars films in theaters in 1997
>with inserted scenes and improved special effects. Those "special
>editions" were further enhanced for the four-disc DVD set. With the
>original versions coming to DVD, here's what you'll see again:
>
>• In Star Wars, Han Solo shoots a bounty hunter named Greedo. Lucas
>changed the scene later so it seemed that Greedo draws first, and
>changed it again for the DVD so that they appear to shoot simultaneously.
>

If they go all the way back to the beginning there is some stuff most
people has never seen unless the they saw it first run or on the LD.

Leia shoots at the storm troopers before they stun her.

Some lines in the hanger deck office where Luke has to try a couple of
arguments to talk Han into going after Leia. She's beautiful. So's
Life kid.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261528 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 04:58
Guest  
The Sad part is, they did not even put it in Dolby Digital! On top of that,
we have to buy the ones we already bought once again. I hope that the boxes
have the original movie posters as the covers. I like nice art instead of
generic BS.

"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:040520062158595314%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <Dq-dndcgzbsiKcTZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d [at] giganews.com>, Solon
> <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> _Mike H_ spoke thusly on 04/05/2006 3:51 AM:
>> > Agreed, that was really the only thing that bothered me about the
>> > revised
>> > trillogy. The Greedo shoots first didn't bother me too much.
>>
>> 'Han shoots first' seemed to be the most controversial one. I think the
>> large majority of SW fans would choose the musical number in Jabba's
>> Palace as their most hated change; but what's there to discuss about it?
>> Discussion usually happens when there's disagreement. I have yet to find
>> someone that actually likes the musical number. :-)
>
> The only change that makes no real sense at all is sticking Hayden's
> head on the Jedi Ghost of Anakin at the end. It's makes the whole
> "Anakin is redeemed" point of the story a complete waste of time. X-(
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261531 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 07:48
Venger  
"Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>
> The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
> restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as
> good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.

Great, jackasses won't bother with a new transfer, just a shit one. I can
see the black crush and pixelization already...

Count me out until I hear reviews...

And since we're on the topic - other than Han shoots first, my other huge
complaint was the changes on Bespin that totally shot the wheels off the
score and the timing of the movie.

Venger
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261537 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 16:27
RobMac  
"Guest" <sheshonq [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:obz6g.5887$mu2.1964 [at] newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> The Sad part is, they did not even put it in Dolby Digital! On top of
> that, we have to buy the ones we already bought once again. I hope that
> the boxes have the original movie posters as the covers. I like nice art
> instead of generic BS.
>
<snipped>

Why is that "sad"?
You can't have it both ways.

If you want the "Original" Trilogy, you have to take the "original
soundtrack" (which was in regular old Dolby Surround - 4.0DPL), you can't
get an unaltered version by altering the soundtrack to Dolby Digital (5.1)

(Although I guess it could be argued that it *will* be released in Dolby
Digital, since Dolby ProLogic technically *IS* a Dolby Digital format, aka
Dolby Digital 4.0)

What scares me is Lucasfilm saying the transfer won't be up to its usual
high standards, it better *at least* look as good as the Definitive
Collection laserdisc boxset THX discs did!

(At the VERY least, it will be in Anamorphic Widescreen, so I can load them
into my DVD changer along with the re-edited-edited-edited versions that
will be forced upon us all again in order to get the "Original Trilogy")



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Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261539 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 18:47
Guest  
"Venger" <venger [at] augustmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
> news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>>
>> The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
>> restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as
>> good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.
>
> Great, jackasses won't bother with a new transfer, just a shit one. I can
> see the black crush and pixelization already...
>
> Count me out until I hear reviews...
>
> And since we're on the topic - other than Han shoots first, my other huge
> complaint was the changes on Bespin that totally shot the wheels off the
> score and the timing of the movie.
>
> Venger
>

I thought that Empire had the best changes which expanded the scope of the
original film. I am talking special edition Empire. Jedi had the worst
additions.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #261540 ] Fr, 05 Mai 2006 22:10
Turo Juurakko  
"Guest" <sheshonq [at] sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
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>
> "Venger" <venger [at] augustmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
>> news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>>>
>>> The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
>>> restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not
>>> as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.
>>
>> Great, jackasses won't bother with a new transfer, just a shit one. I can
>> see the black crush and pixelization already...
>>
>> Count me out until I hear reviews...
>>
>> And since we're on the topic - other than Han shoots first, my other huge
>> complaint was the changes on Bespin that totally shot the wheels off the
>> score and the timing of the movie.
>>
>> Venger
>>
>
> I thought that Empire had the best changes which expanded the scope of the
> original film. I am talking special edition Empire.

No, they were the most unnecessary ones.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #262205 ] Sa, 06 Mai 2006 02:29
Debbie Proctor  
"Kris Kringle Lick A Pringle" <kriskringle [at] lickapringle.com> wrote in
message news:Vzo6g.8465$B42.7459 [at] dukeread05...
> Fuck if I'm buying these motherfuckers again.
>
> I'll wait until the HD-DVD or Blueray versions come out so Lucas can fuck
> me in the butt again, but with better quality.
>
> Shit the bitch!

As far as I know Fox is only supporting Blu Ray. And even so, Fox will have
to go to GL to see if he wants them released in that format.

Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #262246 ] So, 07 Mai 2006 16:13
Guest  
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> "Guest" <sheshonq [at] sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
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>>
>> "Venger" <venger [at] augustmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0HB6g.67500$F_3.37214 [at] newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>
>>> "Malcolm in the Microwave" <mitm [at] micro.wav> wrote in message
>>> news:e3c2h6$jk1$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>> The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the
>>>> restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not
>>>> as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says.
>>>
>>> Great, jackasses won't bother with a new transfer, just a shit one. I
>>> can see the black crush and pixelization already...
>>>
>>> Count me out until I hear reviews...
>>>
>>> And since we're on the topic - other than Han shoots first, my other
>>> huge complaint was the changes on Bespin that totally shot the wheels
>>> off the score and the timing of the movie.
>>>
>>> Venger
>>>
>>
>> I thought that Empire had the best changes which expanded the scope of
>> the original film. I am talking special edition Empire.
>
> No, they were the most unnecessary ones.
>
Your opinion. I thought that it enhanced what already was. I guess you
are one of those complainers. Empire had the least flaws so he could not
mess that up. Jedi was done the worse and those changes were unnecessary.
Re: original theatrical versions of Star Wars films on DVD [message #263255 ] Mi, 10 Mai 2006 05:57
kriskirk  
Kris Kringle Lick A Pringle wrote:
> Fuck if I'm buying these motherfuckers again.
>
> I'll wait until the HD-DVD or Blueray versions come out so Lucas can fuck me
> in the butt again, but with better quality.
>
> Shit the bitch!

lol! This sounds like it has the making of a good South Park episode!
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