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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » hagrid back at hogwarts
| hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247813] |
Sa, 15 April 2006 21:17 |
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can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train with
harry as his teacher.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247815 ] |
Sa, 15 April 2006 21:33 |
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mewthree wrote:
> can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
> train with harry as his teacher.
I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 where
Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
Ken
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247818 ] |
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247819 ] |
Sa, 15 April 2006 23:20 |
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Here in Minnesota wrote:
> mewthree wrote:
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>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
>>train with harry as his teacher.
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> I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 where
> Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
>
> Ken
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That was because they assumed it was Hagrid who opened the COS the first
time - but it was proven to be Riddle that did it - so Hagrid was now
free from the charge.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247820 ] |
Sa, 15 April 2006 23:20 |
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IMS wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
> wrote:
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>
>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train with
>>harry as his teacher.
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>
>
> ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
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>
> --------------
> You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
> --Mae West
> --------------
OR doesn't accept giants as students.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247826 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 00:35 |
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Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in
news:%sd0g.24417$1q4.10317 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> IMS wrote:
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>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
>>>train with harry as his teacher.
>>>
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>> ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
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> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
Neither really matters, since he doesn't have to attend Hogwarts to get
his O.W.L.s and N.E.W.Ts (which are administered by an independent
examining authority, not Hogwarts); private tutoring would work as long
as it's of sufficient quality. I imagine there are some qualified
wizards, mostly from wealthy families, who never went to Hogwarts but
were home-schooled or privately tutored instead. Once again, one of the
biggest differences between the American and British school systems is
that British secondary schools do *not* award qualifications of their
own; they're simply one (the most commonly used) way of teaching students
what they need to know to obtain qualifications that are awarded by an
outside body.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247832 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 03:41 |
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Here in Minnesota escribió:
> mewthree wrote:
>> can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
>> train with harry as his teacher.
>
> I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 where
> Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
>
> Ken
I never found too much logic on this. Hagrid is a wizard, and there is
no obligation to even attend Hogwarts, so, he should be supposed to use
magic despite the fact he was expelled. Besides, he is almost 70 years old.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247836 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 07:48 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>> mewthree wrote:
>>
>>> can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
>>> train with harry as his teacher.
>>
>>
>> I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2
>> where Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
>>
>> Ken
>>
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> That was because they assumed it was Hagrid who opened the COS the
> first time - but it was proven to be Riddle that did it - so Hagrid
> was now free from the charge.
that's why I said "AFTER book 2"
Ken
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247848 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 10:05 |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:20:59 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>IMS wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train with
>>>harry as his teacher.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
>>
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>> --------------
>> You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
>> --Mae West
>> --------------
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>OR doesn't accept giants as students.
But they do half giants
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #247851 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 10:18 |
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"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:%sd0g.24417$1q4.10317 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> IMS wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train
>>>with harry as his teacher.
>>
>>
>> ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
>>
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>> --------------
>> You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. --Mae
>> West --------------
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> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
how about the care taker? does not do the home studies at hogwarts.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252808 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 06:07 |
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At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
chain than Muggles...)
Yes, Filch was taking a correspondence course. But I'm skeptical as to
how genuine the course was. It could have been the Wizarding
equivalent of "Make Millions In Real Estate" seminar literature hawked
at 4:00 a.m.
Marli
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252876 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 06:05 |
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Here in Minnesota wrote:
> mewthree wrote:
> > can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
> > train with harry as his teacher.
>
> I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 where
> Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
>
> Ken
It is in the bit where Hagrid tells harry and co about going to the
giants. if you mean the bit about travling with out magic. in book 1
hagrid also says that he was not to use magic because he was not a fully
trained wizard.
We know that some of Hagrid's stadis changed some after book two. And we
had some talks about weather Hagrid need to do the owls to be able to do
magic with out breaking the magical law. we never really came to an
anser. I was in the camp that wizard and witches had to pass some kind of
test to be able to do magic.
Not sure if the wombat would count for what I thought he would have to do.
But JKR did say that some witchs and wizards are trained at home. they
have tests to pass but as to weather the wombats or the owls are what these
people take I can't guess.
And Hagrid does some magic now. mainly while on school grounds but I don't
know if that is because of the situwation or that teachers can do some.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252877 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 06:06 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> Here in Minnesota wrote:
> > mewthree wrote:
> >
> >>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
> >>train with harry as his teacher.
> >
> >
> > I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 where
> > Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> That was because they assumed it was Hagrid who opened the COS the first
> time - but it was proven to be Riddle that did it - so Hagrid was now
> free from the charge.
True. But book six still has hagrid not being able to use magic travle. So
there is still something we don't know.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252878 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 06:14 |
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drusilla wrote:
> Here in Minnesota escribi=F3:
> > mewthree wrote:
> >> can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could
> >> train with harry as his teacher.
> >
> > I thought about that also. I think I remember a time after book 2 whe=
re
> > Hagrid said that he wasn't suppose to use magic.
> >
> > Ken
>
> I never found too much logic on this. Hagrid is a wizard, and there is
> no obligation to even attend Hogwarts, so, he should be supposed to use=
> magic despite the fact he was expelled. Besides, he is almost 70 years =
old.
in an interview we find out that not all wizards and witches go to hogwar=
ts.
In a follow up question we hear about tests that people have to take. Mo=
re or
less like the Owl's (I thought there would be a way to sit the owl's late=
r but
was wrong)
And the wombat test has a bit that mentions needing to pass to work or bu=
y
things from the magical world.
These and other points leads me to belive that a witch and wizard has to =
pass a
level of skill to be able to use magic. But there are many who disagree.=
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252879 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 06:17 |
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mewthree wrote:
> "Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:%sd0g.24417$1q4.10317 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > IMS wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train
> >>>with harry as his teacher.
> >>
> >>
> >> ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------
> >> You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. --Mae
> >> West --------------
> >
> >
> > OR doesn't accept giants as students.
>
> how about the care taker? does not do the home studies at hogwarts.
He is a squib that is trying to learn magic from a mail corse. Witch means
that some people most likely use the same thing to learn there stuff.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252880 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 06:22 |
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"marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com" wrote:
> At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
> involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
> performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
> as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
> would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
> G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
> about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
> chain than Muggles...)
Either that or hagrid just didn't bother about it. he really is intrested
more in magical critters then magic.
But I woun't be sureprised if we find out that Hagrid has been learning on
the side. I think he could be one of the people takeing wombats. may be
he is working up the levels dureing the summer.
>
>
> Yes, Filch was taking a correspondence course. But I'm skeptical as to
> how genuine the course was. It could have been the Wizarding
> equivalent of "Make Millions In Real Estate" seminar literature hawked
> at 4:00 a.m.
I think it might help wizards that just need a refresher coruse or are
studding at home. But JKR said that it would not help filch.
>
>
> Marli
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252888 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 09:21 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> IMS wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train with
> >>harry as his teacher.
> >>
> >
> >
> > ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
> >
> >
> > --------------
> > You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
> > --Mae West
> > --------------
>
>
> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
It has already been established that Hagrid had been accepted as a
student at Hogwarts... besides it would be incorrect to describe him as
a giant. His half-brother Grawp is a giant. Hagrid is a half-giant
because his mother was a giant, but his father wasn't a Muggle, he was
a wizard (and that is where he inherited his magical ability from). So,
Hagrid is a wizard/giant.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252946 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 11:31 |
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In article <4445BB04.4E934B72 [at] cox.net>,
richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote:
>"marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com" wrote:
>
>> At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
>> involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
>> performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
>> as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
>> would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
>> G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
>> about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
>> chain than Muggles...)
>
>Either that or hagrid just didn't bother about it. he really is intrested
>more in magical critters then magic.
Hagrid doesn't need to get a new wand, because he still has his old one.
It's hidden in his pink umbrella. He can't admit it, because he wasn't
supposed to have it, but it works just fine.
>But I woun't be sureprised if we find out that Hagrid has been learning on
>the side. I think he could be one of the people takeing wombats. may be
>he is working up the levels during the summer.
He might be; his main problem seems to be forgetting what the spells are.
Despite Malfoy's slander of him in PS/SS, I don't remember seeing him do
a bad spell yet.
>> Yes, Filch was taking a correspondence course. But I'm skeptical as to
>> how genuine the course was. It could have been the Wizarding
>> equivalent of "Make Millions In Real Estate" seminar literature hawked
>> at 4:00 a.m.
I thought that was obvious; it was very similar to the old Teach Yourself
Piano At Home correspondence courses, complete with the testimonials
about how surprised and envious everyone else would be.
>I think it might help wizards that just need a refresher course or are
>studying at home. But JKR said that it would not help filch.
Right, because as a squib, Filch has no magical ability at all.
=Tamar
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252950 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 14:02 |
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"Kami" <Slytherin-witch [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145431290.092707.30050 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Thom Madura wrote:
>> IMS wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train
>> >>with
>> >>harry as his teacher.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------
>> > You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
>> > --Mae West
>> > --------------
>>
>>
>> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
>
> It has already been established that Hagrid had been accepted as a
> student at Hogwarts... besides it would be incorrect to describe him as
> a giant. His half-brother Grawp is a giant. Hagrid is a half-giant
> because his mother was a giant, but his father wasn't a Muggle, he was
> a wizard (and that is where he inherited his magical ability from). So,
> Hagrid is a wizard/giant.
>
as i mentioned earlier, calling hagrid wizard/giant does not make sense as
the two are not in the same "class"? to get to the point i would call
hagrid, human/giant with magical abilities. when we talk about wizards/witch
we talk about humans with magical abilities. if hagrid got musical abilities
from his father would one describe him as musician / giant? i think not. i
think that as far as i know that giant do not have magical abilities, but if
they could. would some one who is half human and got magical abilities from
their giant side, be called human/ wizard?
giants are giants, humans are humans, having magical abilities does not
change the class they are in.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252968 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 18:25 |
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marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
> involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
> performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
> as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
> would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
> G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
> about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
> chain than Muggles...)
>
Why should the MOM clear Hagrid of any charges? It's been shown over
and over that they believe what they want to believe. What proof do
they have that LV opened the chamber of secrets other than Harry's (
and maybe Ginny's) word. They've never believed Harry until they are
forced to. Ginny's a minor, they'll never beleive her with Malfoy on
the schools governing committee. I don't think that Hagrid had a chance
to get back into the school until the end of book 5 but he was too busy
in most of book 6 to even think about going back to school then.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #252989 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 06:30 |
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mewthree wrote:
> "Kami" <Slytherin-witch [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145431290.092707.30050 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Thom Madura wrote:
> >> IMS wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train
> >> >>with
> >> >>harry as his teacher.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --------------
> >> > You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
> >> > --Mae West
> >> > --------------
> >>
> >>
> >> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
> >
> > It has already been established that Hagrid had been accepted as a
> > student at Hogwarts... besides it would be incorrect to describe him as
> > a giant. His half-brother Grawp is a giant. Hagrid is a half-giant
> > because his mother was a giant, but his father wasn't a Muggle, he was
> > a wizard (and that is where he inherited his magical ability from). So,
> > Hagrid is a wizard/giant.
> >
>
> as i mentioned earlier, calling hagrid wizard/giant does not make sense as
> the two are not in the same "class"? to get to the point i would call
> hagrid, human/giant with magical abilities. when we talk about wizards/witch
> we talk about humans with magical abilities. if hagrid got musical abilities
> from his father would one describe him as musician / giant? i think not. i
> think that as far as i know that giant do not have magical abilities, but if
> they could. would some one who is half human and got magical abilities from
> their giant side, be called human/ wizard?
>
> giants are giants, humans are humans, having magical abilities does not
> change the class they are in.
<sigh> I agree with you. You seem to have misinterpreted my point
though. The arguement had been proposed that perhaps Hogwarts doesn't
accept giants as students; I pointed out 1. Hagrid already was accepted
to Hogwarts as a student and 2. He isn't a full-blooded giant anyway,
so even if that were the case, it wouldn't bar him from attending. Of
course his father was a human, making him half human as well. But I
didn't want to just say "human" because that can include: squib,
Muggle, Muggle-born, Half-blood, Pure-blood. I thought it my meaning
would be more clear if I used the term "wizard" as I only referred to
his magical talent in regards to his acceptance at Hogwarts. The focus
seems to be on his mother's side, (making him a half-giant) but since
his father was a wizard, he has magical talent too, so therefore he had
an invitation extended to attend school there.
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Fr, 21 April 2006 09:58 |
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:31:01 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>I thought that was obvious; it was very similar to the old Teach Yourself
>Piano At Home correspondence courses, complete with the testimonials
>about how surprised and envious everyone else would be.
And the change so gradual, people would think it natural
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253477 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 08:58 |
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mewthree wrote:
> "Kami" <Slytherin-witch [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145431290.092707.30050 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Thom Madura wrote:
> >> IMS wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:13 GMT, "mewthree" <paul [at] mewthree.plus.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>can't see why hagrid can't carry on his training. maybe he could train
> >> >>with
> >> >>harry as his teacher.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ....unless Hogwarts has an age limit.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --------------
> >> > You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
> >> > --Mae West
> >> > --------------
> >>
> >>
> >> OR doesn't accept giants as students.
> >
> > It has already been established that Hagrid had been accepted as a
> > student at Hogwarts... besides it would be incorrect to describe him as
> > a giant. His half-brother Grawp is a giant. Hagrid is a half-giant
> > because his mother was a giant, but his father wasn't a Muggle, he was
> > a wizard (and that is where he inherited his magical ability from). So,
> > Hagrid is a wizard/giant.
> >
>
> as i mentioned earlier, calling hagrid wizard/giant does not make sense as
> the two are not in the same "class"? to get to the point i would call
> hagrid, human/giant with magical abilities. when we talk about wizards/witch
> we talk about humans with magical abilities. if hagrid got musical abilities
> from his father would one describe him as musician / giant? i think not. i
> think that as far as i know that giant do not have magical abilities, but if
> they could. would some one who is half human and got magical abilities from
> their giant side, be called human/ wizard?
>
> giants are giants, humans are humans, having magical abilities does not
> change the class they are in.
Hagrid is a half giant that happens to be a wizard as well. And the giants do
have magic. HG meantions that it is the magic in Hagrid's half giant blood that
makes him so hard to stun.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253479 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 09:08 |
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Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <4445BB04.4E934B72 [at] cox.net>,
> richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote:
> >"marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com" wrote:
> >
> >> At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
> >> involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
> >> performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
> >> as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
> >> would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
> >> G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
> >> about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
> >> chain than Muggles...)
> >
> >Either that or hagrid just didn't bother about it. he really is intrested
> >more in magical critters then magic.
>
> Hagrid doesn't need to get a new wand, because he still has his old one.
> It's hidden in his pink umbrella. He can't admit it, because he wasn't
> supposed to have it, but it works just fine.
That would depend on weather it was snapped or not. The books have hagrid
saying that it was snapped. Some people think that it wasn't really snapped
but hidden by DD in the umbrella. If it was snapped and hagrid is just useing
the parts then he might like a new one.
>
> >But I woun't be sureprised if we find out that Hagrid has been learning on
> >the side. I think he could be one of the people takeing wombats. may be
> >he is working up the levels during the summer.
>
> He might be; his main problem seems to be forgetting what the spells are.
> Despite Malfoy's slander of him in PS/SS, I don't remember seeing him do
> a bad spell yet.
You mean other then the failed spell he cast at dudly?
But yes he does seam to forget them. Maybe he needs to keep a pocket book of
handy spells. Tho with the spell for water that Harry told hagrid at the end
of six I think hagrid just didn't want to admit he didn't know the spell.
>
> >> Yes, Filch was taking a correspondence course. But I'm skeptical as to
> >> how genuine the course was. It could have been the Wizarding
> >> equivalent of "Make Millions In Real Estate" seminar literature hawked
> >> at 4:00 a.m.
>
> I thought that was obvious; it was very similar to the old Teach Yourself
> Piano At Home correspondence courses, complete with the testimonials
> about how surprised and envious everyone else would be.
>
> >I think it might help wizards that just need a refresher course or are
> >studying at home. But JKR said that it would not help filch.
>
> Right, because as a squib, Filch has no magical ability at all.
Right.
>
> =Tamar
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253480 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 09:15 |
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scenario_dave wrote:
> marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> > At the very least, Hagrid should have been formally cleared of his
> > involvement with the COS. and the MoM could have lifted the ban on his
> > performing magic and presented him with a new wand. Not quite the same
> > as an un-expulsion, but formal dispensation from the MoM to do magic
> > would enable him to lawfully learn whatever magic he could (a Wizarding
> > G.E.D.?) Anti-giant bias probably prevented this (which, if you think
> > about it, puts the "magical part-humans" even lower on the social food
> > chain than Muggles...)
> >
> Why should the MOM clear Hagrid of any charges? It's been shown over
> and over that they believe what they want to believe.
But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book 3.
> What proof do
> they have that LV opened the chamber of secrets other than Harry's (
> and maybe Ginny's) word. They've never believed Harry until they are
> forced to.
But at that point they wanted to belive harry. That is why they cleared
hagrid. It wasn't until the end of 4 that they started to distrust him.
> Ginny's a minor, they'll never beleive her with Malfoy on
> the schools governing committee.
But they sacked Him for the way he forced the others to vote to remove DD.
So Draco's dady was gone by the time it came to think about letting hagrid
back. But at how fast hagrid took the teaching post I don't think he had the
time for full time school. Tho he might be doing some learning on the side.
> I don't think that Hagrid had a chance
> to get back into the school until the end of book 5 but he was too busy
> in most of book 6 to even think about going back to school then.
I don't think he went back to school at all. But he might be working for
something like the wombats. Not the bottom levels but maybe the higher
levels.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253541 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 19:19 |
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> But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book 3.
>
Maybe officially but I'm sure that there's a big group in the MOM that
really doesn't believe it or wants to believe he's guilty because he's
half giant.
Hagrid had no real chance to go back to school. In book one and two he
was banned because he was thrown out of school for opening the CoS.
At the beginning of the third book, he might have been officially
cleared but with Malfoy in the board of governers, he didn't stand a
chance. I'm sure that Malfoy believed he was guilty, if only being a
halfbreed. Malfoy was thrown out at the end of book 5 but Hagrid was
too busy in book 6 to even think about taking classes.
Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
I bet there's some sort of adult school for magic, individual tutoring
or something. There must be some wizards who got a troll on an owl in
school who find out 10 years later that they really need that skill for
the job they want.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253563 ] |
Fr, 28 April 2006 23:48 |
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"scenario_dave" <scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146244768.115974.130300 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book 3.
>>
> Maybe officially but I'm sure that there's a big group in the MOM that
> really doesn't believe it or wants to believe he's guilty because he's
> half giant.
>
> Hagrid had no real chance to go back to school. In book one and two he
> was banned because he was thrown out of school for opening the CoS.
> At the beginning of the third book, he might have been officially
> cleared but with Malfoy in the board of governers, he didn't stand a
> chance. I'm sure that Malfoy believed he was guilty, if only being a
> halfbreed. Malfoy was thrown out at the end of book 5 but Hagrid was
> too busy in book 6 to even think about taking classes.
>
> Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
>
> I bet there's some sort of adult school for magic, individual tutoring
> or something. There must be some wizards who got a troll on an owl in
> school who find out 10 years later that they really need that skill for
> the job they want.
You want KWIKSPELL!
Helena
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253607 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 04:03 |
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In article <4451BD0B.58BA7864 [at] cox.net>,
richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote:
<snip>
>Hagrid is a half giant that happens to be a wizard as well. And the giants do
>have magic. HG mentions that it is the magic in Hagrid's half giant blood that
>makes him so hard to stun.
But full-blooded giants don't _use_ magic, they _are_ magical. They don't have
to learn to be impervious to most magic, it just is part of their essential nature.
I think it is likely that giants can't learn to use a wand to do magic the way
human wizards to. There are no giant equivalents to a muggle-born wizard.
I think it's the same with all magical beings, veelas and the like - their only
magic is in what they are. House-elves and goblins come the closest to wizards
in how they use magic, but they don't need a wand and are prohibited from using
them. (Considering how powerful they are without wands, I think for a goblin or
a house-elf to use a wand would be like a marathon runner using a crutch, unless
the wand would somehow let them cast spells that would otherwise hurt them in
the act of casting them.)
=Tamar
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253639 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 10:41 |
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scenario_dave wrote:
> > But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book 3.
> >
> Maybe officially but I'm sure that there's a big group in the MOM that
> really doesn't believe it or wants to believe he's guilty because he's
> half giant.
>
> Hagrid had no real chance to go back to school. In book one and two he
> was banned because he was thrown out of school for opening the CoS.
> At the beginning of the third book, he might have been officially
> cleared but with Malfoy in the board of governers, he didn't stand a
> chance. I'm sure that Malfoy believed he was guilty, if only being a
> halfbreed. Malfoy was thrown out at the end of book 5
No. look at the end of book 2. That is when he was kicked off the bord of
governers. It was part of why Draco was down at the end of two.
Draco's dear old daddy was not on the bord when they would have talked about
hagrid comeing back. and I don't think hagrid even botherd to think of getting
back in after DD oferd the teaching job.
> In books 3, 4 and 5 L Malfoy started spending time with Fudge and other
> minstery people to get things to go the way he wanted.
> but Hagrid was
> too busy in book 6 to even think about taking classes.
>
> Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
>
> I bet there's some sort of adult school for magic, individual tutoring
> or something. There must be some wizards who got a troll on an owl in
> school who find out 10 years later that they really need that skill for
> the job they want.
Yes I think your right. And while some may just use the right book, I think
your right about tutering. or maybe small adult classes. But with how easy it
is for Adult wizards and witches to move around either haveing the tuter or the
student commute would be easy.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253640 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 10:48 |
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Helena Bowles wrote:
> "scenario_dave" <scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146244768.115974.130300 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book 3.
> >>
> > Maybe officially but I'm sure that there's a big group in the MOM that
> > really doesn't believe it or wants to believe he's guilty because he's
> > half giant.
> >
> > Hagrid had no real chance to go back to school. In book one and two he
> > was banned because he was thrown out of school for opening the CoS.
> > At the beginning of the third book, he might have been officially
> > cleared but with Malfoy in the board of governers, he didn't stand a
> > chance. I'm sure that Malfoy believed he was guilty, if only being a
> > halfbreed. Malfoy was thrown out at the end of book 5 but Hagrid was
> > too busy in book 6 to even think about taking classes.
> >
> > Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
> >
> > I bet there's some sort of adult school for magic, individual tutoring
> > or something. There must be some wizards who got a troll on an owl in
> > school who find out 10 years later that they really need that skill for
> > the job they want.
>
> You want KWIKSPELL!
> Helena
> >
I am not sure about that. To me the quick spell course seamed like the cut rate
vertion for people that didn't want to get a big book and learn about it right.
But from what Luna said about her mother I think many adult magical people just
do there own learning at home. So the cheap way to try and learn would be the
quick spell course.
Slightly more expencive would be to go to florsh and blots and get a book on the
spell you wanted to learn about.
then the costly way would be to get a tuter. and the really expencive way would
be to track down the leaders of the field and get them to help you.
more or less the same sort of options muggles have.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253642 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 11:00 |
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Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <4451BD0B.58BA7864 [at] cox.net>,
> richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Hagrid is a half giant that happens to be a wizard as well. And the giants do
> >have magic. HG mentions that it is the magic in Hagrid's half giant blood that
> >makes him so hard to stun.
>
> But full-blooded giants don't _use_ magic,
They do use magic. take the ever burning branch. But I think you meant they don't
cast spells. and as far as we know that is true. However with the band on wand use we
don't know if the giants could use magic if they where shown how.
> they _are_ magical. They don't have
> to learn to be impervious to most magic, it just is part of their essential nature.
Yes it seams to be automatic. But the magic is said to be there. As for a giant with
out magic being born, much like a squib, we don't realy have any prof one way or the
other. Tho even if it could happen in JKR's world I don't think it would live long
with the way giants seam to live together.
>
> I think it is likely that giants can't learn to use a wand to do magic the way
> human wizards do.
I wouldn't bother makeing a guess other then what I listed above. As it really is a
call for the writer who came up with the world. All we know so far is that the human
magical people don't want any non human to try. Though I do wounder at what point they
stop them from having a chance to try. we know half blooded can. But what about a
threequarter giant? would it be able to try?
> There are no giant equivalents to a muggle-born wizard.
That is a guess about some one else world. I think it may be a correct guess but I
don't know of anything that points to that anser.
>
> I think it's the same with all magical beings, veelas and the like - their only
> magic is in what they are. House-elves and goblins come the closest to wizards
> in how they use magic, but they don't need a wand and are prohibited from using
> them. (Considering how powerful they are without wands, I think for a goblin or
> a house-elf to use a wand would be like a marathon runner using a crutch, unless
> the wand would somehow let them cast spells that would otherwise hurt them in
> the act of casting them.)
No way to tell at this point.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253655 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 13:39 |
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On 28 Apr 2006 10:19:28 -0700, "scenario_dave"
<scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
Rubeus Hagrid And The GED.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253676 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 23:44 |
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> No. look at the end of book 2. That is when he was kicked off the bord of
> governers. It was part of why Draco was down at the end of two.
> Draco's dear old daddy was not on the bord when they would have talked about
> hagrid comeing back. and I don't think hagrid even botherd to think of getting
> back in after DD oferd the teaching job.
>
You may very well be correct. I haven't read book 2 in a couple of
years. But I still think that Hogworths would be unlikely to admit a 60
some odd year old half giant/half wizard as a student.
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253722 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 19:54 |
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"richard e white" <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:44532843.5D372DC4 [at] cox.net...
> Helena Bowles wrote:
>
>> "scenario_dave" <scenario_dave [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146244768.115974.130300 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> But Hagrid was cleard of all charges. It said so at the start of book
>> >> 3.
>> >>
>> > Maybe officially but I'm sure that there's a big group in the MOM that
>> > really doesn't believe it or wants to believe he's guilty because he's
>> > half giant.
>> >
>> > Hagrid had no real chance to go back to school. In book one and two he
>> > was banned because he was thrown out of school for opening the CoS.
>> > At the beginning of the third book, he might have been officially
>> > cleared but with Malfoy in the board of governers, he didn't stand a
>> > chance. I'm sure that Malfoy believed he was guilty, if only being a
>> > halfbreed. Malfoy was thrown out at the end of book 5 but Hagrid was
>> > too busy in book 6 to even think about taking classes.
>> >
>> > Hagrid might be able to go to school by the time book 8 starts. :)
>> >
>> > I bet there's some sort of adult school for magic, individual tutoring
>> > or something. There must be some wizards who got a troll on an owl in
>> > school who find out 10 years later that they really need that skill for
>> > the job they want.
>>
>> You want KWIKSPELL!
>> Helena
>> >
>
> I am not sure about that. To me the quick spell course seamed like the
> cut rate
> vertion for people that didn't want to get a big book and learn about it
> right.
> But from what Luna said about her mother I think many adult magical people
> just
> do there own learning at home. So the cheap way to try and learn would be
> the
> quick spell course.
> Slightly more expencive would be to go to florsh and blots and get a book
> on the
> spell you wanted to learn about.
> then the costly way would be to get a tuter. and the really expencive way
> would
> be to track down the leaders of the field and get them to help you.
> more or less the same sort of options muggles have.
Possibly groups exist, like muggle adult literacy groups, to teach the
basics afterwards it's all personal study.
Helena
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| Re: hagrid back at hogwarts [message #253768 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 05:57 |
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scenario_dave wrote:
> > No. look at the end of book 2. That is when he was kicked off the bord of
> > governers. It was part of why Draco was down at the end of two.
> > Draco's dear old daddy was not on the bord when they would have talked about
> > hagrid comeing back. and I don't think hagrid even botherd to think of getting
> > back in after DD oferd the teaching job.
> >
>
> You may very well be correct. I haven't read book 2 in a couple of
> years. But I still think that Hogworths would be unlikely to admit a 60
> some odd year old half giant/half wizard as a student.
I think you are right about that. I think all adult learning is done else where.
Unless ... Hogwarts has summer classes for adults. For exsample if a wizard didn't
learn to apperate while at school and wanted to take classes later in life the
minstery might use hogwarts after talking with the headmaster.
But that is the only way I think hogwarts would be used. tho come to think of it
hogs-meed would be more likely for apperation for large classes.
Tho they might use the rooms of the school for other spells.
But I think your right about them not mixing such an older student with the younger
ones.
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