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Fantasy » alt.fan.dragons » Raising dragons.
| Raising dragons. [message #247486] |
So, 16 April 2006 05:18 |
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cami compose like a camel .
Here is my little red and white whelp trying to type with her claws.
I made some comment to the fact that its very difficult to learn to
type that way. So what does she do? She turns herself into a Camel.
Yeah. a camel. Uh. ]:8/
So there she is plunking away at this keyboard with monstrous hooves
now, one key at a time. I'm thinking she's going to miss any second
now and break the screen. Then she starts making duck sounds. 'Quack
quack'. A dragon who has turned its self into a camel trying to type
while making duck sounds. Rriiiiggghhht.
Is this normal? Well, I mean I know we're not 'normal' but you know;
normal for young greater dragons.
Now she's crawling around, belly down squeaking that she's a mouse.
Mind you she's still a camel while doing this. Any particular reason
I should be worried here?
Did I do this? And yes, at the top of this message is some evidence
of what I'm saying.
--
-Cira ]:8)
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.. /o | / /
.. / /| | _/ / / irc://dracoquies.us#cira
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DC2.Dw~ Gm L12m W- Cbl-|gr-|skyblue+,egr B~ Fr++ M+++ O+++ H-- I--
V---! Tc+++![GNU/FSF] KD7KIZ Cira
http://dracoquies.us/~cira/lair/
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247511 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 22:20 |
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"cira" <sam_george [at] spishack.com> wrote in message
news:woednRBpN83sKtzZRVn-gQ [at] comcast.com...
> cami compose like a camel .
>
>
> Here is my little red and white whelp trying to type with her claws.
> I made some comment to the fact that its very difficult to learn to
> type that way. So what does she do? She turns herself into a Camel.
.....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that anyone ever
successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived on Earth (meaning this
exact Earth, this dimension) during my life time which would be since 1987
to now so far...
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247512 ] |
So, 16 April 2006 22:35 |
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On 16 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>> cami compose like a camel .
>> Here is my little red and white whelp trying to type with her claws.
>> I made some comment to the fact that its very difficult to learn to
>> type that way. So what does she do? She turns herself into a Camel.
> ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
> physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that anyone
> ever successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived on Earth
> (meaning this exact Earth, this dimension) during my life time which
> would be since 1987 to now so far...
<Shakes head sadly>
If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
Lord Flame Stryke
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DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+ $
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Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
"The default Magic Word, "Abracadabra", actually is a corruption of the
Hebrew phrase "ha-Bracha dab'ra" which means "pronounce the blessing"." --
Herd Thinners
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247517 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 01:17 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
<Xns97A7947CDDE2CDragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
> On 16 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
> message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >> cami compose like a camel .
> >> Here is my little red and white whelp trying to type with her claws.
> >> I made some comment to the fact that its very difficult to learn to
> >> type that way. So what does she do? She turns herself into a Camel.
> > ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
> > physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that anyone
> > ever successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived on Earth
> > (meaning this exact Earth, this dimension) during my life time which
> > would be since 1987 to now so far...
>
> <Shakes head sadly>
>
> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
>
So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and embrace
your life as LFS and I do.
Hex)-(x
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247521 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 04:51 |
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Dafydd Edward Dragon wrote:
> "cira" <sam_george [at] spishack.com> wrote in message
> ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
> physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that anyone ever
> successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived on Earth (meaning this
> exact Earth, this dimension) during my life time which would be since 1987
> to now so far...
You need proof? All you need to do is taker a closer look into the
world around you.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247524 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 15:27 |
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Do camels wee, baaa or moo?
cira wrote:
> cami compose like a camel .
>
>
> Here is my little red and white whelp trying to type with her claws.
> I made some comment to the fact that its very difficult to learn to
> type that way. So what does she do? She turns herself into a Camel.
>
> Yeah. a camel. Uh. ]:8/
>
> So there she is plunking away at this keyboard with monstrous hooves
> now, one key at a time. I'm thinking she's going to miss any second
> now and break the screen. Then she starts making duck sounds. 'Quack
> quack'. A dragon who has turned its self into a camel trying to type
> while making duck sounds. Rriiiiggghhht.
>
> Is this normal? Well, I mean I know we're not 'normal' but you know;
> normal for young greater dragons.
>
> Now she's crawling around, belly down squeaking that she's a mouse.
> Mind you she's still a camel while doing this. Any particular reason
> I should be worried here?
>
> Did I do this? And yes, at the top of this message is some evidence
> of what I'm saying.
>
> --
> -Cira ]:8)
> . ,~~~~~,~~---~
> . _)_ ,-/--~~~/ /
> . /o | / /
> . / /| | _/ / / irc://dracoquies.us#cira
> . \/ | |// // /__,_
> . | -------- \__ __
> . ------|-------------------------\----/--\-
> DC2.Dw~ Gm L12m W- Cbl-|gr-|skyblue+,egr B~ Fr++ M+++ O+++ H-- I--
> V---! Tc+++![GNU/FSF] KD7KIZ Cira
> http://dracoquies.us/~cira/lair/
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247525 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 16:58 |
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Lol. No idea.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247531 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 00:32 |
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Hex wrote:
> Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
> <Xns97A7947CDDE2CDragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
>> On 16 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
>> message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
*munch*
>>> ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
>>> physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that anyone
>>> ever successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived on Earth
>>> (meaning this exact Earth, this dimension) during my life time which
>>> would be since 1987 to now so far...
>> <Shakes head sadly>
>>
>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
>>
> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and embrace
> your life as LFS and I do.
> Hex)-(x
>> Lord Flame Stryke
o.O
Cira is greatly puzzled as he can not see what a thing's existence, or
its lack thereof, has to do with his little Cami's playing with camels
and pretending to be a mouse or trying to take over one of his
computers in odd ways.
(and why bother 'accepting' facts? Most, possibly all, of humanity
chooses to completely disregard certain facts of their existence. Why
should I, or any of us, not be permitted such luxuries? And even
worse, Why should we Argue about it? )
*cries*
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-Cira ]:8( Honestly puzzled.
.. ,~~~~~,~~---~
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.. /o | / /
.. / /| | _/ / / irc://dracoquies.us#cira
.. \/ | |// // /__,_
.. | -------- \__ __
.. ------|-------------------------\----/--\-
DC2.Dw~ Gm L12m W- Cbl-|gr-|skyblue+,egr B~ Fr++ M+++ O+++ H-- I--
V---! Tc+++![GNU/FSF] KD7KIZ Cira
http://dracoquies.us/~cira/lair/
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247532 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 00:38 |
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In reply to:
> Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
> <Xns97A7947CDDE2CDragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
>> <Shakes head sadly>
>>
>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
>>
>> Lord Flame Stryke
"Hex" <hexdragon [at] ev1.net.spamkilla> wrote in message
news:01c661aa$d494e460$01d2dacf [at] newmicronpc...
> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and embrace
> your life as LFS and I do.
> Hex)-(x
I would like to simply believe, but I've grown up to be analytical, and
scientific about the world around me, even with my own draconity, and even
my own friend who I've never been able to explain how it exists for the past
11 years. I attempted to get into full astral and failed several times until
I gave up, and I tried many things to get in touch with the world beyond the
cloke of science.
One reason why I do not simply believe much anymore is because I have met
many people who say they could do wounderful things, and only hurt me in the
end. There have been a handful that said that they could see and talk to my
friend even when it was there right beside me giving me an equalivant of a
confused look when the person says that it is over there with them and
they're talking to each other, them lieing about the entire thing.
I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form, like many
others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's entire life
trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be here in this world
fully with me so it can interact with the emense amount of life here.
I'm not one to just sit there lazily and say 'prove it' every time something
seems even slightly not possible; but I've grown less trusting when it comes
to things I care deeply for when someone achieves something that I and
countless others have tried to do our entire lives, espically to such huge
lengths as a dragoness being physicaly here, on this planet, in this
dimension. I don't care to insult people or go against their beliefs, but I
don't take in things like that easily, espically when something like that
could be so easily proven or reinforced enough to gain my trust such as a
photograph. Sure someone extreamly expieranced to fake a photograph, but
even with that doubt there, it would be a huge leap of gaining more of my
trust to believe in that.
If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did not
read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be claimed on
this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome, but keep yourself
in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing someone. I did not myself
if you check back, even though I did not believe Cira's post very easily, I
simply said I wouldn't believe that very easily myself, I did not insult,
nor stab at what she said.
P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar, I tend
to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247534 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 02:25 |
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Dafydd Edward Dragon wrote:
[]
>
> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did not
> read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be claimed on
> this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome, but keep yourself
> in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing someone. I did not myself
> if you check back, even though I did not believe Cira's post very easily, I
> simply said I wouldn't believe that very easily myself, I did not insult,
> nor stab at what she said.
>
> P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar, I tend
> to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
>
>
i understood it very much...
and i didnt find you narrow minded at all.. just i thought you took
cira's post a little too seriously.. just somehow got to tell how
serious one is with what they write... (or something that i have found
impossible to explaine).. despite my openmindedness,, easily took cira's
post as a for fun.. (no offence to cira)
i support your beliefs fully.. much the same myself, though different
experiences.. never was very open with it,, so didnt give me much
chances for bad experiences with others...
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Zarris
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #247537 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 02:25 |
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jrrhack [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Do camels wee, baaa or moo?
They grunt and spit... which makes them hard to differentiate from some
humans I know.
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Good journeys,
Marrock Volsung
Bearer of one Ponder Point
"Fly with me," said the dragon, "live in the depths of the waters and
soar through the sky.
We are not toys for mortals, but spirits that ride the winds and blow
the clouds along." --Lu Kuei Meng
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249663 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 04:56 |
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On 17 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>>>> ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
>>>> physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that
>>>> anyone ever successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived
>>>> on Earth (meaning this exact Earth, this dimension) during my life
>>>> time which would be since 1987 to now so far...
>>> <Shakes head sadly>
>>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
>>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
>> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and
>> embrace
>> your life as LFS and I do.
>> Hex)-(x
>>> Lord Flame Stryke
> o.O
> Cira is greatly puzzled as he can not see what a thing's existence, or
> its lack thereof, has to do with his little Cami's playing with camels
> and pretending to be a mouse or trying to take over one of his
> computers in odd ways.
We were talking to Daffydd at this point.
> (and why bother 'accepting' facts? Most, possibly all, of humanity
> chooses to completely disregard certain facts of their existence. Why
> should I, or any of us, not be permitted such luxuries? And even
> worse, Why should we Argue about it? )
> *cries*
<Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone accepts
all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts and what are
not facts.
However, that wasn't what this was about. I think Hex's response was a
little harsher than I intended, and perhaps harsher than he intended.
You were describing your child's actions, Daffydd was questioning that,
I pointed out that without belief, one's life would be a lot duller.
That's all my intention was, not to start a fight or to drive someone
away.
Lord Flame Stryke
--
DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+
$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand
of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature
4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
Pegasus
--
"Hackers make toys. Crackers break them." -- Peter Seebach
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249664 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 05:10 |
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On 17 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
>>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
>> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and
>> embrace your life as LFS and I do.
>> Hex)-(x
> I would like to simply believe, but I've grown up to be analytical,
> and scientific about the world around me, even with my own draconity,
> and even my own friend who I've never been able to explain how it
> exists for the past 11 years. I attempted to get into full astral and
> failed several times until I gave up, and I tried many things to get
> in touch with the world beyond the cloke of science.
It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that freedom
defined is freedom denied. In my mind (my own opinion, not being forced
on anyone) science defining life is science denying life. I was never
very good in science, this might have skewed my views, but I believe
there is so much more out there that science can't even see, let alone
try to define.
> One reason why I do not simply believe much anymore is because I have
> met many people who say they could do wounderful things, and only hurt
> me in the end. There have been a handful that said that they could see
> and talk to my friend even when it was there right beside me giving me
> an equalivant of a confused look when the person says that it is over
> there with them and they're talking to each other, them lieing about
> the entire thing.
This isn't something I would do. We all accept that a child can have an
imaginary friend, but what if the child simply hasn't learned how to
shut off their contact with other planes, and it's not an imaginary
friend, but a real friend existing elsewhere. For this reason, I
wouldn't lie to someone about something like this.
> I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form, like many
> others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's entire
> life trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be here in
> this world fully with me so it can interact with the emense amount of
> life here.
Trying, yes. Failing, yes. But not getting discouraged, and not
quitting, that's the key. I have recently done a very, very deep soul
search on myself, and I have found my own block in this -- doubt.
Buried so very deep inside me, so deep that anything other than the
depth of the search I did would not have found it, was an infinitessimal
piece of doubt that I am who I think I am. I need to get rid of that in
order to succeed at anything I try, but I have as of yet found no way to
get rid of that doubt. Once I do so, then I will be obstacle free, as
it were, in my efforts. PErhaps this is something your friend, and
yourself, need to try.
> I'm not one to just sit there lazily and say 'prove it' every time
> something seems even slightly not possible; but I've grown less
> trusting when it comes to things I care deeply for when someone
> achieves something that I and countless others have tried to do our
> entire lives, espically to such huge lengths as a dragoness being
> physicaly here, on this planet, in this dimension. I don't care to
> insult people or go against their beliefs, but I don't take in things
> like that easily, espically when something like that could be so
> easily proven or reinforced enough to gain my trust such as a
> photograph. Sure someone extreamly expieranced to fake a photograph,
> but even with that doubt there, it would be a huge leap of gaining
> more of my trust to believe in that.
Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me something
doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my point of view, and it
will never change. This is the skewed outlook with which I am forced to
look at the rest of the world. I was not intending to be condescending
towards you, I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did
> not read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be
> claimed on this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome,
> but keep yourself in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing
> someone. I did not myself if you check back, even though I did not
> believe Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe that
> very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what she said.
I did not post an insult, however if that is how you interpreted it,
then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira interpreted my post and
Hex's post as insults, or arguments, when I don't believe Hex intended
such and I know I didn't.
> P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar,
> I tend to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
We have many people for whom English is not their native language, also
many for whom writing, or expressing themselves in general, is
difficult, so I don't judge people on such merits.
Lord Flame Stryke
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DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+
$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand
of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature
4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
Pegasus
--
I wish that I could fly Into the sky So very high Just like the
dragons fly -- paraphrased from Lenny Kravitz' "Fly Away"
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249678 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 08:29 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
<Xns97A8D76D730DBDragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
> On 17 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
> message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
> >>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
> >> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and
> >> embrace your life as LFS and I do.
scorched
>
> > One reason why I do not simply believe much anymore is because I have
> > met many people who say they could do wounderful things, and only hurt
> > me in the end. There have been a handful that said that they could see
> > and talk to my friend even when it was there right beside me giving me
> > an equalivant of a confused look when the person says that it is over
> > there with them and they're talking to each other, them lieing about
> > the entire thing.
>
> This isn't something I would do. We all accept that a child can have an
> imaginary friend, but what if the child simply hasn't learned how to
> shut off their contact with other planes, and it's not an imaginary
> friend, but a real friend existing elsewhere. For this reason, I
> wouldn't lie to someone about something like this.
>
scorched
>
> > I'm not one to just sit there lazily and say 'prove it' every time
> > something seems even slightly not possible; but I've grown less
> > trusting when it comes to things I care deeply for when someone
> > achieves something that I and countless others have tried to do our
> > entire lives, espically to such huge lengths as a dragoness being
> > physicaly here, on this planet, in this dimension. I don't care to
> > insult people or go against their beliefs, but I don't take in things
> > like that easily, espically when something like that could be so
> > easily proven or reinforced enough to gain my trust such as a
> > photograph. Sure someone extreamly expieranced to fake a photograph,
> > but even with that doubt there, it would be a huge leap of gaining
> > more of my trust to believe in that.
>
> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me something
> doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my point of view, and it
> will never change. This is the skewed outlook with which I am forced to
> look at the rest of the world. I was not intending to be condescending
> towards you, I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
>
> > If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did
> > not read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be
> > claimed on this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome,
> > but keep yourself in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing
> > someone. I did not myself if you check back, even though I did not
> > believe Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe that
> > very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what she said.
>
> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you interpreted it,
> then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira interpreted my post and
> Hex's post as insults, or arguments, when I don't believe Hex intended
> such and I know I didn't.
My post was not to offend and I also offer 'pologies if it came across that
way.
Hex)-(x
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249679 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 08:31 |
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Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
<Xns97A8D50936786DragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
> On 17 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
> in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >>>> ....The first thing that comes to mind mind is how she'd be able to
> >>>> physicaly type onto the keyboard, I have never been proven that
> >>>> anyone ever successfuly transformed, or any dragon has ever lived
> >>>> on Earth (meaning this exact Earth, this dimension) during my life
> >>>> time which would be since 1987 to now so far...
> >>> <Shakes head sadly>
> >>> If you need proof to believe, then no amount of proof will ever be
> >>> enough..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.....
> >> So many dragons Here. I am a dragon. Accept this simple fact and
> >> embrace
> >> your life as LFS and I do.
> >> Hex)-(x
> >>> Lord Flame Stryke
> > o.O
> > Cira is greatly puzzled as he can not see what a thing's existence, or
> > its lack thereof, has to do with his little Cami's playing with camels
> > and pretending to be a mouse or trying to take over one of his
> > computers in odd ways.
>
> We were talking to Daffydd at this point.
>
> > (and why bother 'accepting' facts? Most, possibly all, of humanity
> > chooses to completely disregard certain facts of their existence. Why
> > should I, or any of us, not be permitted such luxuries? And even
> > worse, Why should we Argue about it? )
> > *cries*
>
> <Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone accepts
> all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts and what are
> not facts.
>
> However, that wasn't what this was about. I think Hex's response was a
> little harsher than I intended, and perhaps harsher than he intended.
> You were describing your child's actions, Daffydd was questioning that,
> I pointed out that without belief, one's life would be a lot duller.
> That's all my intention was, not to start a fight or to drive someone
> away.
"pologies if my response was harsh because it was not meant to be.
Hex)-(x
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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> 4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
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> Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
> Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
> Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
> Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
> Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
> Pegasus
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249685 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 19:52 |
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Zarris wrote:
> Dafydd Edward Dragon wrote:
>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did
>> not read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be
>> claimed on this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome,
>> but keep yourself in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing
>> someone. I did not myself if you check back, even though I did not
>> believe Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe that
>> very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what she said.
>>
>> P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar,
>> I tend to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
> i understood it very much...
> and i didnt find you narrow minded at all.. just i thought you took
> cira's post a little too seriously.. just somehow got to tell how
> serious one is with what they write... (or something that i have found
> impossible to explaine).. despite my openmindedness,, easily took cira's
> post as a for fun.. (no offence to cira)
(none taken -- thankyou zarris)
> i support your beliefs fully.. much the same myself, though different
> experiences.. never was very open with it,, so didnt give me much
> chances for bad experiences with others...
"I don't take myself too seriously. What I do and say is at least
based in fact, unfortunately sometimes facts are more unbelievable
than what is accepted as reality. Interpret that how you will.
*sigh* I mean no big metaphysical implications. Perhaps I will
illuminate further... but not in this post."
"I am sad that what was meant in good spirits has caused contention."
"I would rather see playful smiles of confidence than sullen frowns of
understanding."
::philosophical meanderings, not directed in any particular direction,
or for anyone in particular::
"But know this: science too, is limited by its premise. There are
many things which will remain forever beyond its grasp because they
can not be tested by the scientific method. This does not invalidate
science! Not mine, not Steven Gould's, not Richard Feynman's, not
Frederick Brooks'. The sphere of science is incapable of touching
much of Philosophy, Religion, or the nature of anything Spiritual.
Religion and Philosophy neither are invalidated by the existence of
Science. And yes, there is some overlap, but really not much. Please
don't consult Feynman on matters of Philosophy, he would make a
terrible source for such things. One who was *only* science would be
blind and evil to the core. Some outside the scientific communities
see this much more clearly than those within, the result has been the
'mad' scientist persona. Many of the current 'scientists' of humanity
could indeed use a good strong dose of morality and philosophy to
balance their analytical purity."
"But it goes both ways does it not?... Many are overly taken by
spiritually based beliefs to the exclusion of that which is truly
real, lost to vain meanderings of thought, conclusions without
sufficient premise or support. Hopefully I see deeply enough to avoid
either of these two common pitfalls in life. Neither my Science so
powerful as to overwhelm my Spirit and my Spirit neither over powering
my reason and logic, but all in harmony and balance."
He falls silent and so do his tears.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249687 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 00:18 |
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Lord Flame Stryke engraved:
> On 17 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
> message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
*munch*
> It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that freedom
> defined is freedom denied. In my mind (my own opinion, not being forced
> on anyone) science defining life is science denying life. I was never
> very good in science, this might have skewed my views, but I believe
> there is so much more out there that science can't even see, let alone
> try to define.
"Wow, I whole heartedly agree. Though I personally can not deny being
anything but accomplished in the realms of scientific thought."
>> One reason why I do not simply believe much anymore is because I have
>> met many people who say they could do wounderful things, and only hurt
>> me in the end. There have been a handful that said that they could see
>> and talk to my friend even when it was there right beside me giving me
>> an equalivant of a confused look when the person says that it is over
>> there with them and they're talking to each other, them lieing about
>> the entire thing.
>
> This isn't something I would do. We all accept that a child can have an
> imaginary friend, but what if the child simply hasn't learned how to
> shut off their contact with other planes, and it's not an imaginary
> friend, but a real friend existing elsewhere. For this reason, I
> wouldn't lie to someone about something like this.
>
>> I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form, like many
>> others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's entire
>> life trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be here in
>> this world fully with me so it can interact with the emense amount of
>> life here.
>
> Trying, yes. Failing, yes. But not getting discouraged, and not
> quitting, that's the key. I have recently done a very, very deep soul
> search on myself, and I have found my own block in this -- doubt.
> Buried so very deep inside me, so deep that anything other than the
> depth of the search I did would not have found it, was an infinitessimal
> piece of doubt that I am who I think I am. I need to get rid of that in
> order to succeed at anything I try, but I have as of yet found no way to
> get rid of that doubt. Once I do so, then I will be obstacle free, as
> it were, in my efforts. PErhaps this is something your friend, and
> yourself, need to try.
These are the sorts of things that I have found are best solved
through the use of Religion.
>> I'm not one to just sit there lazily and say 'prove it' every time
>> something seems even slightly not possible; but I've grown less
>> trusting when it comes to things I care deeply for when someone
>> achieves something that I and countless others have tried to do our
>> entire lives, espically to such huge lengths as a dragoness being
>> physicaly here, on this planet, in this dimension. I don't care to
>> insult people or go against their beliefs, but I don't take in things
>> like that easily, espically when something like that could be so
>> easily proven or reinforced enough to gain my trust such as a
>> photograph. Sure someone extreamly expieranced to fake a photograph,
>> but even with that doubt there, it would be a huge leap of gaining
>> more of my trust to believe in that.
How odd that this reminds me of some of my as yet unshared stories...
> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me something
> doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my point of view, and it
> will never change. This is the skewed outlook with which I am forced to
> look at the rest of the world. I was not intending to be condescending
> towards you, I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
*is impressed*
>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either did
>> not read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem to be
>> claimed on this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel welcome,
>> but keep yourself in a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing
>> someone. I did not myself if you check back, even though I did not
>> believe Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe that
>> very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what she said.
*blushes confusedly at being called 'she'*
> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you interpreted it,
> then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira interpreted my post and
> Hex's post as insults, or arguments, when I don't believe Hex intended
> such and I know I didn't.
*sees LFS in a new light*
*feelssorry*
>> P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar,
>> I tend to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
>
> We have many people for whom English is not their native language, also
> many for whom writing, or expressing themselves in general, is
> difficult, so I don't judge people on such merits.
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249688 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 00:20 |
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Hex wrote:
> Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in article
> <Xns97A8D50936786DragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159>...
>> On 17 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
>> in alt.fan.dragons:
>>> o.O
>>> Cira is greatly puzzled as he can not see what a thing's existence, or
>>> its lack thereof, has to do with his little Cami's playing with camels
>>> and pretending to be a mouse or trying to take over one of his
>>> computers in odd ways.
>> We were talking to Daffydd at this point.
It's that old wicked thread drift at work again. *understandinggrin*
>>> (and why bother 'accepting' facts? Most, possibly all, of humanity
>>> chooses to completely disregard certain facts of their existence. Why
>>> should I, or any of us, not be permitted such luxuries? And even
>>> worse, Why should we Argue about it? )
>>> *cries*
>> <Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone accepts
>> all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts and what are
>> not facts.
Cira adds 6 to 4 but only makes it to 9. Oh well.
*hugsback*
>> However, that wasn't what this was about. I think Hex's response was a
>> little harsher than I intended, and perhaps harsher than he intended.
>> You were describing your child's actions, Daffydd was questioning that,
>> I pointed out that without belief, one's life would be a lot duller.
>> That's all my intention was, not to start a fight or to drive someone
>> away.
Indeed life without belief would be exceptionally dull.
> "pologies if my response was harsh because it was not meant to be.
*pats Hex's head*
>> Lord Flame Stryke
> Hex)-(x
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249692 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 01:58 |
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Quoth Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com>:
....
>It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that freedom
>defined is freedom denied.
Not if it's residual freedom, as occurs in many legal systems; anything
that isn't specifically banned is permitted. Besides, I'm not sure it's
correct to say that science defines the world -- it seeks to understand
it, certainly, but there are many scientists with deeply spiritual sides
who see no conflict between the two.
>In my mind (my own opinion, not being forced on anyone) science
>defining life is science denying life.
How does it deny it, exactly? If you mean in the same sense as your
"freedom denied" comment (i.e. preventing it from being exercised), I
submit that demonstrably isn't so. Those of us who exist largely in a
scientific world as just as alive as anyone else. :)
>I was never very good in science, this might have skewed my views, but
>I believe there is so much more out there that science can't even see,
>let alone try to define.
Science has never claimed to have all the answers. That's the ultimate
goal, true, but I think most realistic scientists would concede they're
never likely to reach that point. Indeed, it's the voyage of discovery
that's perhaps the most important thing -- precisely the sort of
attitude that being really alive engenders.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249695 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 04:41 |
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Like the others, I did not intend on my post as an insult, I'm sorry if
it got interpreted that way.
Anyways, what I was saying was, take a close look at what you call
familiar. You'll find that everything is not what you thought it to be,
and every day, and every time you look, you'll find something new, for
the world is ever changing. And what you find may surprise you.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249705 ] |
Mi, 19 April 2006 22:36 |
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"Lord Flame Stryke" <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8D76D730DBDragonFyre [at] 64.59.135.159...
......> It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that
freedom
> defined is freedom denied. In my mind (my own opinion, not being forced
> on anyone) science defining life is science denying life. I was never
> very good in science, this might have skewed my views, but I believe
> there is so much more out there that science can't even see, let alone
> try to define.
> .....
Well, that is where I start to do what many find interesting about me, I
tend to mix science, beliefe/religion, and quantum physics together to
understand existance in my own way. Things I can't define to a clear point,
I then view in beliefe based on some very simple bases of science, or avoid
science and use quantum physics. Quantum physics defies many laws of
science, and makes a good bridge (or at least for me) between science and
beliefe. Through this way I had begun to explain to myself a little peice of
existance and dimensions, which I won't get into since it gets awful
confuseing. Perhaps some other topic if it is of interest on how I view
dimensions and existance.
......>> One reason why I do not simply believe much anymore is because I
have
>> met many people who say they could do wounderful things, and only hurt
>> me in the end. There have been a handful that said that they could see
>> and talk to my friend even when it was there right beside me giving me
>> an equalivant of a confused look when the person says that it is over
>> there with them and they're talking to each other, them lieing about
>> the entire thing.
>
> This isn't something I would do. We all accept that a child can have an
> imaginary friend, but what if the child simply hasn't learned how to
> shut off their contact with other planes, and it's not an imaginary
> friend, but a real friend existing elsewhere. For this reason, I
> wouldn't lie to someone about something like this.
> ......
I've come across this issue many times and found a peaceful resolution
between myself and my little friend there. Through beliefe, I'm quite sure
it exists, it has feelings, thoughts, and has began to mean a lot to me as I
grew up. Scientificaly, I have already tested a handful of possibilities,
all which came back as 'inconclusive'. I tested wither it could be
Schitzofrenia (spelling?), which is no, I don't suffer from the right types
of the symptoms that are listed under that mental disorder. I tried checking
other mental disorders such as MPD/DID (Multiple Personality Disorder /
Dissociative Identity Disorder) which though I carry a lot of identities, I
do not have the disorder. I had also checked a number of other misc.
disorders and scientific explanations, but they also came back inconclusive.
Now that I sastifyed myself through belief and science, I came to a fairly
simple conclusion that I found comfortable with. Real or not, my friend
exists, if not as a real being in some other dimension, than as another
personality in my own mind. Because of this, either way it has feelings, a
personality, and a mind which can expierance pain, and since if it were
destoryed or 'removed', real or not, I'd be killing a personality and mind,
wither it's a part of myself, or a true being. So either way I have to
respect it as another being who deserves to live, because real or not, it's
a thinking, emotional being, and that's all that's required for it to live.
.....>> I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form, like
many
>> others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's entire
>> life trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be here in
>> this world fully with me so it can interact with the emense amount of
>> life here.
>
> Trying, yes. Failing, yes. But not getting discouraged, and not
> quitting, that's the key. I have recently done a very, very deep soul
> search on myself, and I have found my own block in this -- doubt.
> Buried so very deep inside me, so deep that anything other than the
> depth of the search I did would not have found it, was an infinitessimal
> piece of doubt that I am who I think I am. I need to get rid of that in
> order to succeed at anything I try, but I have as of yet found no way to
> get rid of that doubt. Once I do so, then I will be obstacle free, as
> it were, in my efforts. PErhaps this is something your friend, and
> yourself, need to try.
> ......
With any action or thought, there will always be some doubt, it's nature.
The thing is wither or not you obey the doubt is the key. Though I have my
doubts, that isn't going to stop me from trying to become a dragon if the
oppertunity arises, nor stop my friend from trying to enter this dimension
if it gets the chance.
.....> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you interpreted it,
> then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira interpreted my post and
> Hex's post as insults, or arguments, when I don't believe Hex intended
> such and I know I didn't.
> ...
I did not take your posts as an insult, thought found I ought to explain
myself. Without explaining myself, miss interpetations can quickly get worse
with each reader, and each post.
>> P.S please excuse any huge spelling errors of lack of proper grammar,
>> I tend to do that when in deep thought over a matter like this.
>
> We have many people for whom English is not their native language, also
> many for whom writing, or expressing themselves in general, is
> difficult, so I don't judge people on such merits.
>
My only excuses for my bad spelling and grammar is that for one, I wasn't
taught properly how to read and write until grade 5, and on top of that I
suffer from disluxia which does a good job at being a pain when I'm trying
to type anything with even a slight lack of attention or concentration.
Disluxia does a lot more than just make words appear backwards to people, it
also causes many people (like myself), to unexpectedly say or type one word,
instead of the word that they meant to, sometimes the replacement word
haveing nothing to do with the word they ment (for example, 'that' instead
of 'what', or 'to' instead of 'through'), and then finally the favorite,
lost words; on occasion people with disluxia can completely forget a word,
even if they know it very well for a period of time. I at very rare times
have forgotten semi-common words which really annoy me. It can be something
as pathetic as 'client', makeing me resort to saying my sentence a different
way... anyways, that was a little over-explaining why my spelling is poor.
As long as people can read and understand me fairly easily, it should be
okay. Though I'll take no offence at all if you say 'what did you mean when
you said:... (paragraph)' sometimes what I think and say don't match x.x
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249709 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 01:51 |
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cira <sam_george [at] spishack.com> writes:
>>> <Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone accepts
>>> all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts and what are
>>> not facts.
>
> Cira adds 6 to 4 but only makes it to 9. Oh well.
Umm... hate to break it to you, but 6 + 4 is 12 ;-)
*stops playing with the PDP/11*
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249715 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 04:53 |
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darkside wrote:
> cira <sam_george [at] spishack.com> writes:
>
>>>> <Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone accepts
>>>> all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts and what are
>>>> not facts.
>> Cira adds 6 to 4 but only makes it to 9. Oh well.
>
> Umm... hate to break it to you, but 6 + 4 is 12 ;-)
>
> *stops playing with the PDP/11*
"I had a pair of micro vax systems once... Never did get them to boot
though."
*wonders how unix was ever created on such systems when they use such
arithmetic*
*giggles*
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249719 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 05:02 |
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On 18 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>>>> o.O
>>>> Cira is greatly puzzled as he can not see what a thing's existence,
>>>> or its lack thereof, has to do with his little Cami's playing with
>>>> camels and pretending to be a mouse or trying to take over one of
>>>> his computers in odd ways.
>>> We were talking to Daffydd at this point.
> It's that old wicked thread drift at work again. *understandinggrin*
Yup. That, and them server daemons.....
>>>> (and why bother 'accepting' facts? Most, possibly all, of humanity
>>>> chooses to completely disregard certain facts of their existence.
>>>> Why should I, or any of us, not be permitted such luxuries? And
>>>> even worse, Why should we Argue about it? )
>>>> *cries*
>>> <Hugs Cira> Accepting facts or not is a part of life. Everyone
>>> accepts all facts. The problem is that they define what are facts
>>> and what are not facts.
> Cira adds 6 to 4 but only makes it to 9. Oh well.
9? Lucky. I added 6 to 4 in a 5-sized cup and only made a mess.....
> *hugsback*
<SMOOCHIES!! Cira>
>>> However, that wasn't what this was about. I think Hex's response
>>> was a little harsher than I intended, and perhaps harsher than he
>>> intended. You were describing your child's actions, Daffydd was
>>> questioning that, I pointed out that without belief, one's life
>>> would be a lot duller. That's all my intention was, not to start a
>>> fight or to drive someone away.
> Indeed life without belief would be exceptionally dull.
I said as much to a friend of mine. I mentioned that I'll believe
anything exists, but demand proof that it doesn't, he said he was the
opposite. I said that it must be hard going through life believing in
nothing.....
>> "pologies if my response was harsh because it was not meant to be.
> *pats Hex's head*
Hehehe, I got a whole hug!! };=8Þ </gloats>
Lord Flame Stryke
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Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand
of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature
4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
Pegasus
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Cleaner with Pumice
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249720 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 05:09 |
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On 18 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>> It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that
>> freedom defined is freedom denied. In my mind (my own opinion, not
>> being forced on anyone) science defining life is science denying
>> life. I was never very good in science, this might have skewed my
>> views, but I believe there is so much more out there that science
>> can't even see, let alone try to define.
> "Wow, I whole heartedly agree. Though I personally can not deny being
> anything but accomplished in the realms of scientific thought."
Well, there's two opposing standpoints arriving at the same
viewpoint.....
>>> I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form, like
>>> many others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's
>>> entire life trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be
>>> here in this world fully with me so it can interact with the emense
>>> amount of life here.
>> Trying, yes. Failing, yes. But not getting discouraged, and not
>> quitting, that's the key. I have recently done a very, very deep
>> soul search on myself, and I have found my own block in this --
>> doubt. Buried so very deep inside me, so deep that anything other
>> than the depth of the search I did would not have found it, was an
>> infinitessimal piece of doubt that I am who I think I am. I need to
>> get rid of that in order to succeed at anything I try, but I have as
>> of yet found no way to get rid of that doubt. Once I do so, then I
>> will be obstacle free, as it were, in my efforts. PErhaps this is
>> something your friend, and yourself, need to try.
> These are the sorts of things that I have found are best solved
> through the use of Religion.
I don't like religion. I'm not trying to slam anyone's religion, but it
seems to me that any time "organized religion" starts, someone always
ends up getting killed because of it..... That's one reason I don't
spread my religion around.
>> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me something
>> doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my point of view, and
>> it will never change. This is the skewed outlook with which I am
>> forced to look at the rest of the world. I was not intending to be
>> condescending towards you, I was expressing my feelings about your
>> doubt.
> *is impressed*
Impressed with what part, may I ask?
>>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they either
>>> did not read my post completely, or are as narrow-minded as I seem
>>> to be claimed on this topic. If you want to add your opinion, feel
>>> welcome, but keep yourself in a neutral disposition and avoid just
>>> flameing someone. I did not myself if you check back, even though I
>>> did not believe Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't
>>> believe that very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what
>>> she said.
> *blushes confusedly at being called 'she'*
I thought you were female until you posted your message referring to
yourself as "he"..... It's much, much easier with DCs.....
>> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you interpreted it,
>> then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira interpreted my post and
>> Hex's post as insults, or arguments, when I don't believe Hex
>> intended such and I know I didn't.
> *sees LFS in a new light*
Oh, sorry. <Turns off the "Touched by an Angel" glow light>
> *feelssorry*
Nothing to feel sorry for. If you interpreted my message as a
threatening one, then obviously it could have been interpreted as such.
One of the drawbacks of text-only communication is the lack of
transmitted body language and tone of voice, which are integral parts of
communication.
Lord Flame Stryke
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Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand
of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature
4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
Pegasus
--
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Hebrew phrase "ha-Bracha dab'ra" which means "pronounce the
blessing"." -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249721 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 05:14 |
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On 18 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>>It is said that science defines the world. It is also said that
>>freedom defined is freedom denied.
> Not if it's residual freedom, as occurs in many legal systems;
> anything that isn't specifically banned is permitted. Besides, I'm
> not sure it's correct to say that science defines the world -- it
> seeks to understand it, certainly, but there are many scientists with
> deeply spiritual sides who see no conflict between the two.
I don't delve deeply into the scientific world, so I'm no doubt grossly
overgeneralizing, but I get snippets, and I feel that science is trying
to place boundaries on the world and, in fact, the universe, which is
boundless.
>>In my mind (my own opinion, not being forced on anyone) science
>>defining life is science denying life.
> How does it deny it, exactly? If you mean in the same sense as your
> "freedom denied" comment (i.e. preventing it from being exercised), I
> submit that demonstrably isn't so. Those of us who exist largely in a
> scientific world as just as alive as anyone else. :)
I disagree. I am a dragon, through and through. Science, however,
refuses to see that, and only sees the human host, which it defines as
human. Therefore, although I exist in a world of science, according to
said science, I'm not alive and, in fact, I don't even exist.
Lord Flame Stryke
--
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$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++ Draco nigrum, oculi
rubere, suppositus, magus. Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady
Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder
of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake
from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex®
Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from
Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice
Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature Jester doll from
SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold
piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of
Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the
*shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
"Both models are identical in performance, functional operation, and
interface circuit details. The two models, however, are not compatible
on the same communications line connection." -- Bell System Technical
Reference
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249722 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 05:20 |
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On 19 Apr 2006, Dafydd Edward Dragon was found to have scratched this
message on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
> ....>> I've spent my entire life since my awakening to change form,
> like many
>>> others likely have here, and my friend has been spending it's entire
>>> life trying to get beyond the boundries of dimension to be here in
>>> this world fully with me so it can interact with the emense amount
>>> of life here.
>> Trying, yes. Failing, yes. But not getting discouraged, and not
>> quitting, that's the key. I have recently done a very, very deep
>> soul search on myself, and I have found my own block in this --
>> doubt. Buried so very deep inside me, so deep that anything other
>> than the depth of the search I did would not have found it, was an
>> infinitessimal piece of doubt that I am who I think I am. I need to
>> get rid of that in order to succeed at anything I try, but I have as
>> of yet found no way to get rid of that doubt. Once I do so, then I
>> will be obstacle free, as it were, in my efforts. PErhaps this is
>> something your friend, and yourself, need to try.
>> ......
> With any action or thought, there will always be some doubt, it's
> nature. The thing is wither or not you obey the doubt is the key.
> Though I have my doubts, that isn't going to stop me from trying to
> become a dragon if the oppertunity arises, nor stop my friend from
> trying to enter this dimension if it gets the chance.
For magic to work for you, you have to /know/ it will work. The tiniest
shred of doubt will stop you from /knowing/ it, and reduce you to
/believing/ it. If all you have is belief, and some doubt, it won't
work. I need to get rid of this doubt, because it is preventing me from
knowing what I'm doing is working, or will work.....
Lord Flame Stryke
--
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$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand
of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature
4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady
Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the
Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from
Pegasus
--
X windows: Accept any substitute. If it's broke, don't fix it. If it
ain't broke, fix it. Form follows malfunction. The Cutting Edge of
Obsolescence. The trailing edge of software technology. Armageddon
never looked so good. Japan's secret weapon. You'll envy the dead.
Making the world safe for competing window systems. Let it get in YOUR
way. The problem for your problem. If it starts working, we'll fix it.
Pronto. It could be worse, but it'll take time. Simplicity made
complex. The greatest productivity aid since typhoid. Flakey and built
to stay that way. One thousand monkeys. One thousand MicroVAXes. One
thousand years. X windows. -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249729 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 12:52 |
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Quoth Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com>:
>On 18 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
>in alt.fan.dragons:
....
>I don't delve deeply into the scientific world, so I'm no doubt grossly
>overgeneralizing, but I get snippets, and I feel that science is trying
>to place boundaries on the world and, in fact, the universe, which is
>boundless.
Science is about seeing and recording patterns in certain things, not
trying to impose them on everything else.
>> Those of us who exist largely in a scientific world as just as alive
>> as anyone else. :)
>
>I disagree. I am a dragon, through and through. Science, however,
>refuses to see that, and only sees the human host, which it defines as
>human. Therefore, although I exist in a world of science, according to
>said science, I'm not alive and, in fact, I don't even exist.
Three rebuttals: first, you by your own admission don't live in a purely
scientific world. Fair enough. By and large, I do, yet I am every bit
as alive as you.
Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the bodies
that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes. Just ask
Stephen Hawking.
And third, one of the nice things about science is that, if you have
evidence to the contrary in any given field, you're allowed to challenge
orthodoxy. :)
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249733 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 13:47 |
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Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
> For magic to work for you, you have to /know/ it will work. The tiniest
> shred of doubt will stop you from /knowing/ it, and reduce you to
> /believing/ it. If all you have is belief, and some doubt, it won't
> work. I need to get rid of this doubt, because it is preventing me from
> knowing what I'm doing is working, or will work.....
*has same problems*
its annoying how much that doubt can linger.. even when such things that
i have been focusing on doing lately have been proven hundred times over!
>
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
>
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Zarris
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249735 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 13:53 |
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Rai wrote:
> Quoth Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com>:
>
>>On 18 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
>>in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> ...
>
>>I don't delve deeply into the scientific world, so I'm no doubt grossly
>>overgeneralizing, but I get snippets, and I feel that science is trying
>>to place boundaries on the world and, in fact, the universe, which is
>>boundless.
>
>
> Science is about seeing and recording patterns in certain things, not
> trying to impose them on everything else.
if only the scientists would believe that.....
>
>
>>>Those of us who exist largely in a scientific world as just as alive
>>>as anyone else. :)
>>
>>I disagree. I am a dragon, through and through. Science, however,
>>refuses to see that, and only sees the human host, which it defines as
>>human. Therefore, although I exist in a world of science, according to
>>said science, I'm not alive and, in fact, I don't even exist.
>
>
> Three rebuttals: first, you by your own admission don't live in a purely
> scientific world. Fair enough. By and large, I do, yet I am every bit
> as alive as you.
i dont consider this world to be purely scientific.. science just makes
one think that...
>
> Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the bodies
> that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes. Just ask
> Stephen Hawking.
>
> And third, one of the nice things about science is that, if you have
> evidence to the contrary in any given field, you're allowed to challenge
> orthodoxy. :)
--
Zarris
dragoncode: DC2.Dw Gm L- W T- Phvfwvl^t Sks Cbl+,bwh%,cbk,egy,vbk,wwh%
Bfl A- Fr++ Nm M- O H++ $+++ Fo-- R+++ Ac++ J+ S-- U-- I V-- Q Tc++[ntwk] E
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249736 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 14:26 |
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Dafydd Edward Dragon wrote:
[]
>
>
> I've come across this issue many times and found a peaceful resolution
> between myself and my little friend there. Through beliefe, I'm quite sure
> it exists, it has feelings, thoughts, and has began to mean a lot to me as I
> grew up. Scientificaly, I have already tested a handful of possibilities,
> all which came back as 'inconclusive'. I tested wither it could be
> Schitzofrenia (spelling?), which is no, I don't suffer from the right types
> of the symptoms that are listed under that mental disorder. I tried checking
> other mental disorders such as MPD/DID (Multiple Personality Disorder /
> Dissociative Identity Disorder) which though I carry a lot of identities, I
> do not have the disorder. I had also checked a number of other misc.
> disorders and scientific explanations, but they also came back inconclusive.
i consider most 'disorders' someones idea of those that dont think like
them are wrong...
[]
>
>
> With any action or thought, there will always be some doubt, it's nature.
> The thing is wither or not you obey the doubt is the key. Though I have my
> doubts, that isn't going to stop me from trying to become a dragon if the
> oppertunity arises, nor stop my friend from trying to enter this dimension
> if it gets the chance.
i believe the oppurtunity is always there.... waiting for us to figure
it out...
[]
> My only excuses for my bad spelling and grammar is that for one, I wasn't
> taught properly how to read and write until grade 5, and on top of that I
> suffer from disluxia which does a good job at being a pain when I'm trying
> to type anything with even a slight lack of attention or concentration.
> Disluxia does a lot more than just make words appear backwards to people, it
> also causes many people (like myself), to unexpectedly say or type one word,
> instead of the word that they meant to, sometimes the replacement word
> haveing nothing to do with the word they ment (for example, 'that' instead
> of 'what', or 'to' instead of 'through'), and then finally the favorite,
> lost words; on occasion people with disluxia can completely forget a word,
> even if they know it very well for a period of time. I at very rare times
> have forgotten semi-common words which really annoy me. It can be something
> as pathetic as 'client', makeing me resort to saying my sentence a different
> way... anyways, that was a little over-explaining why my spelling is poor.
> As long as people can read and understand me fairly easily, it should be
> okay. Though I'll take no offence at all if you say 'what did you mean when
> you said:... (paragraph)' sometimes what I think and say don't match x.x
>
>
describes my grammer mostly well... doesnt bother me alot,, mainly cause
im lazy when it comes to grammar and spelling,,, and/or im just used to
it....
--
Zarris
dragoncode: DC2.Dw Gm L- W T- Phvfwvl^t Sks Cbl+,bwh%,cbk,egy,vbk,wwh%
Bfl A- Fr++ Nm M- O H++ $+++ Fo-- R+++ Ac++ J+ S-- U-- I V-- Q Tc++[ntwk] E
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249750 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 03:38 |
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On 20 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>>I don't delve deeply into the scientific world, so I'm no doubt
>>grossly overgeneralizing, but I get snippets, and I feel that science
>>is trying to place boundaries on the world and, in fact, the universe,
>>which is boundless.
> Science is about seeing and recording patterns in certain things, not
> trying to impose them on everything else.
Try telling that to some people..... Most people I know (admittedly not
"scientists" per se) try to force their views on everything, to make
everything fit.
>>> Those of us who exist largely in a scientific world as just as alive
>>> as anyone else. :)
>>I disagree. I am a dragon, through and through. Science, however,
>>refuses to see that, and only sees the human host, which it defines as
>>human. Therefore, although I exist in a world of science, according
>>to said science, I'm not alive and, in fact, I don't even exist.
> Three rebuttals: first, you by your own admission don't live in a
> purely scientific world. Fair enough. By and large, I do, yet I am
> every bit as alive as you.
Nobody lives in a purely scientific world. One of the points I was
trying to make earlier is that there is no such thing.
> Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the
> bodies that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes.
> Just ask Stephen Hawking.
And if I walked up and told Stephen Hawking that I was a dragon, he's
prolly laugh in my face and demand proof.
> And third, one of the nice things about science is that, if you have
> evidence to the contrary in any given field, you're allowed to
> challenge orthodoxy. :)
The problem there is that I have no evidence that science is willing to
accept.
Lord Flame Stryke
--
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$ Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++ Draco nigrum, oculi
rubere, suppositus, magus. Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady
Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder
of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake
from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex®
Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from
Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice
Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature Jester doll from
SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold
piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep, First Dragon of
Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos, Winner of the
*shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
"There is a 20% chance of tomorrow." -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249751 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 03:40 |
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On 20 Apr 2006, Zarris was found to have scratched this message on a
rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>> For magic to work for you, you have to /know/ it will work. The
>> tiniest shred of doubt will stop you from /knowing/ it, and reduce
>> you to /believing/ it. If all you have is belief, and some doubt, it
>> won't work. I need to get rid of this doubt, because it is
>> preventing me from knowing what I'm doing is working, or will
>> work.....
> *has same problems*
> its annoying how much that doubt can linger.. even when such things
> that i have been focusing on doing lately have been proven hundred
> times over!
Hundreds, thousands, millions, it's always the same. There is a part of
this host that doesn't believe, and that disbelief is imposing itself onto
my belief. Not enough to change my belief, just enough to challenge it
deep down and prevent the knowledge from getting thr free reign I want it
to have.
Lord Flame Stryke
--
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Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos,
Winner of the *shiny* riddle award from Pegasus
--
X windows: Accept any substitute. If it's broke, don't fix it. If it
ain't broke, fix it. Form follows malfunction. The Cutting Edge of
Obsolescence. The trailing edge of software technology. Armageddon never
looked so good. Japan's secret weapon. You'll envy the dead. Making the
world safe for competing window systems. Let it get in YOUR way. The
problem for your problem. If it starts working, we'll fix it. Pronto. It
could be worse, but it'll take time. Simplicity made complex. The
greatest productivity aid since typhoid. Flakey and built to stay that
way. One thousand monkeys. One thousand MicroVAXes. One thousand years.
X windows. -- Herd Thinners
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249762 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 04:21 |
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Lord Flame Stryke did post:
> On 18 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
> in alt.fan.dragons:
> I don't like religion. I'm not trying to slam anyone's
> religion, but it seems to me that any time "organized
> religion" starts, someone always ends up getting killed
> because of it..... That's one reason I don't spread my
> religion around.
"After writing all this stuff that follows I think what I was
trying to say is that -- I wish peeps were far enough along not
to fight over religion. It can be a very useful thing."
<wander>
"I feel that world view / spiritual beliefs are what constitutes
religion. Where both religion and science stray from being a
good-thing (tm) is when they refuse to see that the spheres in
which their dominion is are limited and that they often contain
inherent contradictions, which are usually imposed upon the
systems by the inherently limited minds which have constructed
most/all of their constituents."
"Humm, that's complicated. Let me try again."
"Religion and science and other beliefs can coexist when they
recognize that they have boundaries beyond which their bodies of
knowledge no longer apply. Examples: An application of religion
would seem futile when attempting to prove or derive the half
angle sine theorem. Like wise, science is not a good system to
consult when deciding the difference between right and wrong."
"What I'm actually /trying/ to say is that we are, in point of
fact, discussing a religious class subject. And that's just
fine. And it stays just fine as long as we recognize that it's
just fine to not always agree on everything. There are many
people that I really like which I completely disagree with almost
everything they say. I like to talk (not argue) with such
people, often, I learn something. If we all agreed on everything
there might not be much to talk about anymore."
"The problem with rejecting 'organized religion' outright is that
everything which is good which comes from such things is also
lost. Baby out with the bath water sort of thing. That's a real
shame. I wind up crying over peeps who fall into the one.
People do it over science too. They realize that most of the
science types all too often don't actually know what they're
talking about. :: What's the current dietary trend - anyone? ::
Well, actually, I *usually* blame media types for over stating
scientific theories as facts, but the science types let them get
away with it. *naah* But it does happen, I usually see it in the
deeply religious peeps who think science is nonsense."
*considers whether any of this says what he was actually trying
to say -- yes but only in a round about sort of way.*
Problem with religion (or science[reductionism] or history or
philosophy or eastern-thought[holistic])
1. Peeps get into whatever it is so deeply they forget that there
were some base assumptions which had to be accepted on faith
for the whole system to get off the ground. Science = ideas
can be reduced to their essentials and then tested by
repeatable method. (Please note that this does not work at
all with most religious matters. Neither does it work with
Eastern philosophy [as i understand it] because everything
influences everything else and can not be separated. [nearly
an exact opposite base assumption from western science])
2. They then forget that anything exists outside of the box
which they have confined themselves to. (I accept science
therefor I reject religion because I see the mistakes in
religion.)
3. They loose their identity unique from the subject which they
embrace. Now, anything which contradicts the sphere which
they have 'accepted' is now perceived as a direct attack on
their very existence. It then becomes easy to justify using
lethal force to protect *self* as *self* is being attacked
in a 'lethal' way.
Once this is understood, and one separates themselves from any
one sphere, the threat to self no longer exists, it's ok for
someone to disagree with you, and there is basically zero
possibility that such an individual would take weapon against
another for mere belief. Gold yes, belief no. I personally
believe that the disagreements between the various bodies of
knowledge that I have faith in is due to errors is the reasoning
which by which they have been constructed. By seeking out such
errors various points can be brought into agreement so that by
the time an entity has collected _all_ wisdom into themself that
these various spheres will have merged into one. Perfection.
Thus far, this meta-belief of mine has been born out. [Can
I call it an official theory with supporting evidence? ];8)
</wander>
>>> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me
>>> something doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my
>>> point of view, and it will never change. This is the skewed
>>> outlook with which I am forced to look at the rest of the
>>> world. I was not intending to be condescending towards you,
>>> I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
>> *is impressed*
> Impressed with what part, may I ask?
"The ability you have to accept a thing's existence on faith,
but to demand proof of the thing's lack of existence. This is an
exceptionally good and useful property to possess, and one which
all too many lack. (i thought this would be obvious) Only one
counter example is needed to show something is false, but
*proving* something is true can often be elusive. So, the
ability to accept a thing without requiring, what is often
impossible or intractable, is a very good thing."
>>>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they
>>>> either did not read my post completely, or are as
>>>> narrow-minded as I seem to be claimed on this topic. If you
>>>> want to add your opinion, feel welcome, but keep yourself in
>>>> a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing someone. I did
>>>> not myself if you check back, even though I did not believe
>>>> Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe
>>>> that very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what
>>>> she said.
>> *blushes confusedly at being called 'she'*
> I thought you were female until you posted your message
> referring to yourself as "he"..... It's much, much easier with
> DCs.....
"Oh... well... (it does say Gm in my DC...) "
*realizes that he would be hard pressed to tell the difference
between male and female dragons. Would we tell them apart by
scent? smells are difficult to transmit via news postings* ];8)
>>> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you
>>> interpreted it, then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira
>>> interpreted my post and Hex's post as insults, or arguments,
>>> when I don't believe Hex intended such and I know I didn't.
>> *sees LFS in a new light*
> Oh, sorry. <Turns off the "Touched by an Angel" glow light>
*paints with glow in the dark paint*
"Hey, this stuff is really cool!"
*paints back glows around some trees*
>> *feelssorry*
> Nothing to feel sorry for. If you interpreted my message as a
> threatening one, then obviously it could have been interpreted
> as such. One of the drawbacks of text-only communication is
> the lack of transmitted body language and tone of voice, which
> are integral parts of communication.
*feelsbetter*
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249765 ] |
Fr, 21 April 2006 04:45 |
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Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
[]
>>Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the
>>bodies that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes.
>>Just ask Stephen Hawking.
>
>
> And if I walked up and told Stephen Hawking that I was a dragon, he's
> prolly laugh in my face and demand proof.
>
>
in all honesty,, i tried imagining that,,, and failed,, falling into
laughter...
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249787 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 01:13 |
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Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
> On 20 Apr 2006, Zarris was found to have scratched this message on a
> rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
>
>>>For magic to work for you, you have to /know/ it will work. The
>>>tiniest shred of doubt will stop you from /knowing/ it, and reduce
>>>you to /believing/ it. If all you have is belief, and some doubt, it
>>>won't work. I need to get rid of this doubt, because it is
>>>preventing me from knowing what I'm doing is working, or will
>>>work.....
>>
>>*has same problems*
>>its annoying how much that doubt can linger.. even when such things
>>that i have been focusing on doing lately have been proven hundred
>>times over!
>
>
> Hundreds, thousands, millions, it's always the same. There is a part of
> this host that doesn't believe, and that disbelief is imposing itself onto
> my belief. Not enough to change my belief, just enough to challenge it
> deep down and prevent the knowledge from getting thr free reign I want it
> to have.
>
yeah,, sucky feelings it causes...
(nothing else to say on this as everything shared exactly)
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249797 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 06:02 |
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Quoth Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com>:
>On 20 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message:
....
>> Science is about seeing and recording patterns in certain things, not
>> trying to impose them on everything else.
>
>Try telling that to some people..... Most people I know (admittedly not
>"scientists" per se) try to force their views on everything, to make
>everything fit.
I'm not talking about individuals, though, I'm talking about the actual
idea of science. Specifically, it's about developing theories to
explain observable phenomena -- but the sensible scientist never claims
these are 100 per cent, set in stone correct; theories are merely likely
to be right.
....
>> Three rebuttals: first, you by your own admission don't live in a
>> purely scientific world. Fair enough. By and large, I do, yet I am
>> every bit as alive as you.
>
>Nobody lives in a purely scientific world.
Hence "by and large". >:)
>One of the points I was trying to make earlier is that there is no such
>thing.
Maybe not; but since I pay little heed to spiritual matters, am I
correspondingly less alive than those who do? I'd (obviously) suggest
not.
>> Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the
>> bodies that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes.
>> Just ask Stephen Hawking.
>
>And if I walked up and told Stephen Hawking that I was a dragon, he's
>prolly laugh in my face and demand proof.
That wasn't my point, as I think you know.
>> And third, one of the nice things about science is that, if you have
>> evidence to the contrary in any given field, you're allowed to
>> challenge orthodoxy. :)
>
>The problem there is that I have no evidence that science is willing to
>accept.
Probably true. But again, that wasn't the point I was making -- I was
stressing the broader point that science isn't as dogmatic as some claim
it to be.
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249802 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 06:24 |
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On 20 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>> I don't like religion. I'm not trying to slam anyone's
>> religion, but it seems to me that any time "organized
>> religion" starts, someone always ends up getting killed
>> because of it..... That's one reason I don't spread my
>> religion around.
> "The problem with rejecting 'organized religion' outright is that
> everything which is good which comes from such things is also
> lost. Baby out with the bath water sort of thing. That's a real
> shame. I wind up crying over peeps who fall into the one.
My religion is organized insofar as my god chose me for whatever reason,
and adopted me, and raised me from a hatchling to what I am today. And
I didn't know he was a god for at least a thousand years, and more
likely much, much longer than that.
>>>> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me
>>>> something doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my
>>>> point of view, and it will never change. This is the skewed
>>>> outlook with which I am forced to look at the rest of the
>>>> world. I was not intending to be condescending towards you,
>>>> I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
>>> *is impressed*
>> Impressed with what part, may I ask?
> "The ability you have to accept a thing's existence on faith,
> but to demand proof of the thing's lack of existence. This is an
> exceptionally good and useful property to possess, and one which
> all too many lack. (i thought this would be obvious) Only one
> counter example is needed to show something is false, but
> *proving* something is true can often be elusive. So, the
> ability to accept a thing without requiring, what is often
> impossible or intractable, is a very good thing."
I've always been this way, accepting the existence of something without
proof. Only recently have I added the latter part, but I think I still
followed it before I vocalized it.
>>>>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they
>>>>> either did not read my post completely, or are as
>>>>> narrow-minded as I seem to be claimed on this topic. If you
>>>>> want to add your opinion, feel welcome, but keep yourself in
>>>>> a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing someone. I did
>>>>> not myself if you check back, even though I did not believe
>>>>> Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe
>>>>> that very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what
>>>>> she said.
>>> *blushes confusedly at being called 'she'*
>> I thought you were female until you posted your message
>> referring to yourself as "he"..... It's much, much easier with
>> DCs.....
> "Oh... well... (it does say Gm in my DC...) "
I guess I never read your DC..... My fault there.
> *realizes that he would be hard pressed to tell the difference
> between male and female dragons. Would we tell them apart by
> scent? smells are difficult to transmit via news postings* ];8)
I've never had trouble telling male and female dragons apart by sight
before..... But I'm now 30 years out of practice, so it might be a tad
difficult for me.....
>>>> I did not post an insult, however if that is how you
>>>> interpreted it, then I offer my apologies. Both you and Cira
>>>> interpreted my post and Hex's post as insults, or arguments,
>>>> when I don't believe Hex intended such and I know I didn't.
>>> *sees LFS in a new light*
>> Oh, sorry. <Turns off the "Touched by an Angel" glow light>
> *paints with glow in the dark paint*
> "Hey, this stuff is really cool!"
> *paints back glows around some trees*
Ooh, pwetty!!
>>> *feelssorry*
>> Nothing to feel sorry for. If you interpreted my message as a
>> threatening one, then obviously it could have been interpreted
>> as such. One of the drawbacks of text-only communication is
>> the lack of transmitted body language and tone of voice, which
>> are integral parts of communication.
> *feelsbetter*
<Huggles Cira>
Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249803 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 06:28 |
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On 21 Apr 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:
>>> Science is about seeing and recording patterns in certain things,
>>> not trying to impose them on everything else.
>>Try telling that to some people..... Most people I know (admittedly
>>not "scientists" per se) try to force their views on everything, to
>>make everything fit.
> I'm not talking about individuals, though, I'm talking about the
> actual idea of science. Specifically, it's about developing theories
> to explain observable phenomena -- but the sensible scientist never
> claims these are 100 per cent, set in stone correct; theories are
> merely likely to be right.
As I said, I never looked into it deeply. This might be true of the
concept, but concept and application rarely mesh.....
>>One of the points I was trying to make earlier is that there is no
>>such thing.
> Maybe not; but since I pay little heed to spiritual matters, am I
> correspondingly less alive than those who do? I'd (obviously) suggest
> not.
Of course!! };=8Þ No, you've got a point there, I seem to have
railroaded my mind (or it railroaded me) into one view of things.
>>> Second, we as individuals are defined primarily by our minds; the
>>> bodies that hold them aren't terribly relevant, for many purposes.
>>> Just ask Stephen Hawking.
>>And if I walked up and told Stephen Hawking that I was a dragon, he's
>>prolly laugh in my face and demand proof.
> That wasn't my point, as I think you know.
Yes, I know what point you're making, that the shell neither defines nor
contains the essence.
>>> And third, one of the nice things about science is that, if you have
>>> evidence to the contrary in any given field, you're allowed to
>>> challenge orthodoxy. :)
>>The problem there is that I have no evidence that science is willing
>>to accept.
> Probably true. But again, that wasn't the point I was making -- I was
> stressing the broader point that science isn't as dogmatic as some
> claim it to be.
Still, I'd like science to prove that I exist and that I'm a dragon.
Lord Flame Stryke
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| Re: Raising dragons. [message #249884 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 05:38 |
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At Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:21:52 GMT, cira <sam_george [at] spishack.com> hissed:
> Lord Flame Stryke did post:
>> On 18 Apr 2006, cira was found to have scratched this message on a
>> rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
>> I don't like religion. I'm not trying to slam anyone's
>> religion, but it seems to me that any time "organized
>> religion" starts, someone always ends up getting killed
>> because of it..... That's one reason I don't spread my
>> religion around.
>
> "After writing all this stuff that follows I think what I was
> trying to say is that -- I wish peeps were far enough along not
> to fight over religion. It can be a very useful thing."
Organized religion gets bashed a lot for causing conflict. I wonder how
much of that conflict is due to religion itself, and how much is
politically motivated and simply cloaked in religious guise. Certainly
there has been less such violence in cultures where there is a generally
secular government separate from religious authority, as is the case in
many modern states (especially, although not exclusively, in the West).
> <wander>
I have omitted Cira's wandering for length, but I pretty much agree with
it all. I tend to think pretty analytically and have a pretty good
scientific education; I am also religious. The two complement each
other rather than conflicting.
>>>> Tell me something exists, and I'll believe you. Tell me
>>>> something doesn't exist, and I'll demand proof. This is my
>>>> point of view, and it will never change. This is the skewed
>>>> outlook with which I am forced to look at the rest of the
>>>> world. I was not intending to be condescending towards you,
>>>> I was expressing my feelings about your doubt.
>>> *is impressed*
>> Impressed with what part, may I ask?
>
> "The ability you have to accept a thing's existence on faith,
> but to demand proof of the thing's lack of existence. This is an
> exceptionally good and useful property to possess, and one which
> all too many lack. (i thought this would be obvious) Only one
> counter example is needed to show something is false, but
> *proving* something is true can often be elusive. So, the
> ability to accept a thing without requiring, what is often
> impossible or intractable, is a very good thing."
Still, Flame Stryke, don't you think that wholesale acceptance of /any/
existence claim is a bit much? (If I told you there exists a fuchsia
hippopotamus in my backyard that plays the fiddle every other Tuesday,
would you believe me?) Also, wouldn't you end up believing quite a few
conflicting things?
>>>>> If someone cannot understand me after explaining this, they
>>>>> either did not read my post completely, or are as
>>>>> narrow-minded as I seem to be claimed on this topic. If you
>>>>> want to add your opinion, feel welcome, but keep yourself in
>>>>> a neutral disposition and avoid just flameing someone. I did
>>>>> not myself if you check back, even though I did not believe
>>>>> Cira's post very easily, I simply said I wouldn't believe
>>>>> that very easily myself, I did not insult, nor stab at what
>>>>> she said.
>>> *blushes confusedly at being called 'she'*
>> I thought you were female until you posted your message
>> referring to yourself as "he"..... It's much, much easier with
>> DCs.....
>
> "Oh... well... (it does say Gm in my DC...) "
DCs only make things easier when people actually look at them. ];-8)~
(It's probably the "a" ending that throws some people off.)
> *realizes that he would be hard pressed to tell the difference
> between male and female dragons. Would we tell them apart by
> scent? smells are difficult to transmit via news postings* ];8)
Sight, or scent. Probably voice as well, although dragons have such
variation in size and shape that this might not always work. None of
these, of course, is easily transmittable as ASCII text. ]:-8)~
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