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Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245858]

So, 09 April 2006 05:52

While sitting in the Acute Illness clinic at my HMO, waiting to be
seen for another case of Conjunctivitis, I started thinking about
Harry Potter. After a few hours, I started asking myself questions. I
asked myself why were most of the Death Eaters Slytherins, why were
most of the Death Eaters not his contemporaries but the children of his
contemporaries and why did some of the old, pure blood wizerding
families support him? Why did Severus Snape, as a first year, know more
dark curses than most seventh years?

After a few more hours, I started answering myself. The Slytherin
question is easy. Tom Riddle was a Slytherin so it stands to reason
that most of his associates, who became his followers, were Slytherins.

The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely. I think the
reason Voldermort's first associates children became the majority of
Death Eaters is Riddle was practicing a powerful form of Pre-World War
II marketing. He told people what they needed to hear. Dumbledore
tells Harry Riddles friends were "the weak seeking protection, the
ambitious seeking some shared glory and the thuggish gravitating toward
a leader who could show them more refined forms of cruelty".
Apparently, weak, when he came to power, would be the strong, the
ambitious, would be in positions of power, and the thuggish could
practice their cruelties without fear of reprisal. Although Dumbledore
doesn't mention them, Riddle must have agreed with the old wizarding
families like the Blacks and Malfoys that their culture and very way of
life was threatened by Muggleborn and Half Bloods. These people had to
be monitored and controlled and it could be done by practicing the
Dark Arts.
Riddle was so good looking and so charismatic that they believed him.
And, even when he left to pursue his dark art studies, they waited for
him to come back, and indoctrinated their children as to how wonderful
he was and how great things would be when he came to power. When he
returned, he had an army waiting for him.

Why did Severus Snape know more dark curses than most seventh years?
Because, his mother was, if not a Death Eater, an intimate of
Voldermort's. Someone, Slugworth I think, says house placements
usually run in families. If Snape is a Slytherin there is a good
chance his mother was too. Since her picture shows she wasn't
particularly pretty or pleasant, she might have been one of those weak
ones that got Riddle's protection, and, if her protector was studying
the Dark Arts, she might have too and taught them to her son. That
might have been the cause of the violent argument that Snape
remembered. His muggle father might not have minded his wife being a
witch, but dabbling with dark magic and teaching it to their child
might be another thing.

I hope someone will join my conversation. It gets lonely talking to
myself.

RC

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245862 ]

So, 09 April 2006 09:41

dicconf

In article <1144554774.583501.18670 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
rc <rclovely [at] aol.com> wrote:

>I asked myself why were most of the Death Eaters Slytherins,
>why were most of the Death Eaters not his contemporaries but
>the children of his contemporaries
>and why did some of the old, pure blood wizerding families
>support him?
>Why did Severus Snape, as a first year, know more
>dark curses than most seventh years?
>
>After a few more hours, I started answering myself. The Slytherin
>question is easy. Tom Riddle was a Slytherin so it stands to reason
>that most of his associates, who became his followers, were Slytherins.
>
>The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
>an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
>who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
>to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely. I think the
>reason Voldemort's first associates children became the majority of
>Death Eaters is Riddle was practicing a powerful form of Pre-World War
>II marketing. He told people what they needed to hear. Dumbledore
>tells Harry Riddle's friends were "the weak seeking protection, the
>ambitious seeking some shared glory and the thuggish gravitating
>toward a leader who could show them more refined forms of cruelty".
>Apparently, weak, when he came to power, would be the strong, the
>ambitious, would be in positions of power, and the thuggish could
>practice their cruelties without fear of reprisal. Although Dumbledore
>doesn't mention them, Riddle must have agreed with the old wizarding
>families like the Blacks and Malfoys that their culture and very way of
>life was threatened by Muggleborn and Half Bloods. These people had to
>be monitored and controlled and it could be done by practicing the
>Dark Arts.

I agree, Voldemort has been promising his followers that they will
gain power and influence, especially magical power.

>Riddle was so good looking and so charismatic that they believed him.
>And, even when he left to pursue his dark art studies, they waited for
>him to come back, and indoctrinated their children as to how wonderful
>he was and how great things would be when he came to power. When he
>returned, he had an army waiting for him.

It's a leap, but it makes sense. The second generation would be more
deeply convinced because they were brought up with it.

>Why did Severus Snape know more dark curses than most seventh years?
>Because, his mother was, if not a Death Eater, an intimate of
>Voldermort's. Someone, Slugworth I think, says house placements
>usually run in families. If Snape is a Slytherin there is a good
>chance his mother was too. Since her picture shows she wasn't
>particularly pretty or pleasant, she might have been one of those weak
>ones that got Riddle's protection, and, if her protector was studying
>the Dark Arts, she might have too and taught them to her son.

This is a bit of a stretch. I agree, although we have no hard evidence,
that Eileen Prince is likely to have been a Slytherin, especially as
Tobias Snape was a muggle so Snape's early magical training is likely
to have come from her or her friends. However, she need not have been
a DE or have known Voldemort. There were other dark wizards, not
all as deep in the dark arts as Tom Riddle, but he had to learn from
someone, and Grindelwald would have had associates too. There are
also books of dark magic, some even in the Hogwarts library.

Even if the statement is an exaggeration, Snape seems to have known
a lot of magic at least intellectually before he arrived in school.
Living in a wizard household, he may have been taught magic at home
but ordered to keep it totally secret so it would pass as parental
magic; we know he did some magic at home as a teenager, presumably
during the holidays when they aren't supposed to. (I'm not 100%
sure; the Decree apparently covers summer holidays, but does it
cover Christmas and Easter breaks? I assume it does.) Still, he
could have learned a lot from reading without ever practicing until
he arrived and was technically legal. Hermione memorized all her
school books before she arrived; I'm sure Snape did the same, and
probably every book he could get hold of.

It just occurred to me, maybe Snape started with potions at home
because you don't need a wand to make a potion. A skinny kid who
probably had to stay home a lot to avoid being beaten up by the
local bullies would have wanted something to do. Draco was a
shrimp but his family arranged for him to arrive with a pair of
bodyguards; Snape's mother probably thought that he should know
at least enough curses to defend himself. I suspect that being
in Slytherin is no picnic for first-years.

>That might have been the cause of the violent argument that Snape
>remembered. His muggle father might not have minded his wife
>being a witch, but dabbling with dark magic and teaching it to
>their child might be another thing.

If so, then she must have started Snape off pretty young. I had
the impression that he was very young as well as small, and that
the argument was probably more about there being any magic at all,
regardless of whether it was light or dark.

=Tamar

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245875 ]

So, 09 April 2006 10:06

Toon

On 8 Apr 2006 20:52:54 -0700, "rc" <rclovely [at] aol.com> wrote:

>The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
>an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
>who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
>to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely. I think the
>reason Voldermort's first associates children became the majority of
>Death Eaters is Riddle was practicing a powerful form of Pre-World War
>II marketing. He told people what they needed to hear. Dumbledore
>tells Harry Riddles friends were "the weak seeking protection, the
>ambitious seeking some shared glory and the thuggish gravitating toward
>a leader who could show them more refined forms of cruelty".
>Apparently, weak, when he came to power, would be the strong, the
>ambitious, would be in positions of power, and the thuggish could
>practice their cruelties without fear of reprisal. Although Dumbledore
>doesn't mention them, Riddle must have agreed with the old wizarding
>families like the Blacks and Malfoys that their culture and very way of
>life was threatened by Muggleborn and Half Bloods. These people had to
>be monitored and controlled and it could be done by practicing the
>Dark Arts.
>Riddle was so good looking and so charismatic that they believed him.
>And, even when he left to pursue his dark art studies, they waited for
>him to come back, and indoctrinated their children as to how wonderful
>he was and how great things would be when he came to power. When he
>returned, he had an army waiting for him.

Muggles use the Bible for such things. Wonder if there's a Gospel Of
The Lord.

>Why did Severus Snape know more dark curses than most seventh years?

Practice. Practice. Practice.

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245886 ]

So, 09 April 2006 14:01

Lady Grey

Richard Eney wrote:
<snip>
> This is a bit of a stretch. I agree, although we have no hard evidence,
> that Eileen Prince is likely to have been a Slytherin, especially as

I was inclined to think she was Slytherin too but then, a Slytherin
marry a muggle? Did Eileen change her opinions about muggles
drastically since her sorting or what?

> Tobias Snape was a muggle so Snape's early magical training is likely
> to have come from her or her friends. However, she need not have been
> a DE or have known Voldemort. There were other dark wizards, not
> all as deep in the dark arts as Tom Riddle, but he had to learn from
> someone, and Grindelwald would have had associates too. There are
> also books of dark magic, some even in the Hogwarts library.

i get the impression that dark magic is passed down the generations in
dark families and the Prince family could have been one of these. Maybe
Snape was sent to stay with his grandparents alot and picked up stuff
from them. I guess families could be into dark magic without being too
into their pureblood pride thing...

> Even if the statement is an exaggeration, Snape seems to have known
> a lot of magic at least intellectually before he arrived in school.
> Living in a wizard household, he may have been taught magic at home
> but ordered to keep it totally secret so it would pass as parental
> magic; we know he did some magic at home as a teenager, presumably
> during the holidays when they aren't supposed to. (I'm not 100%
> sure; the Decree apparently covers summer holidays, but does it
> cover Christmas and Easter breaks? I assume it does.) Still, he
> could have learned a lot from reading without ever practicing until
> he arrived and was technically legal. Hermione memorized all her
> school books before she arrived; I'm sure Snape did the same, and
> probably every book he could get hold of.

yeah, probably

<snip>
> >That might have been the cause of the violent argument that Snape
> >remembered.

or Tobias could just have been generally bad tempered towards his wife
and child, maybe steming from the fact that the Prince's made him feel
an inadequate match for their pureblood daughter

>> His muggle father might not have minded his wife
> >being a witch, but dabbling with dark magic and teaching it to
> >their child might be another thing.

but would the muggle know the difference between what the wizarding
world concidered dark magic and allowed magic? i think probably not.
maybe Tobias was just a bully. Like father like son.

--
Jane Grey

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245891 ]

So, 09 April 2006 16:06

Ken

rc wrote:
snip
Why did Severus Snape, as a first year, know
> more dark curses than most seventh years?

Because that was his first love... I started to do science experiments
before first grade, because I couldn't get any real chemicals most of mine
were done with rocks, water, salt, sugar, etc and an unfortunate one with
bleach which sent me to the hospital.

> After a few more hours, I started answering myself. The Slytherin
> question is easy. Tom Riddle was a Slytherin so it stands to reason
> that most of his associates, who became his followers, were
> Slytherins.
>
>
snip

This one I think you have reversed... I think that Riddle was in Slytherin
because he was evil not that Slytherin is evil because of Tom Riddle.

Ken

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245918 ]

So, 09 April 2006 22:43

wadkin2000

rc wrote:
> While sitting in the Acute Illness clinic at my HMO, waiting to be
> seen for another case of Conjunctivitis, I started thinking about
> Harry Potter. After a few hours, I started asking myself questions. I
> asked myself why were most of the Death Eaters Slytherins, why were
> most of the Death Eaters not his contemporaries but the children of his
> contemporaries and why did some of the old, pure blood wizerding
> families support him? Why did Severus Snape, as a first year, know more
> dark curses than most seventh years?
>
> After a few more hours, I started answering myself. The Slytherin
> question is easy. Tom Riddle was a Slytherin so it stands to reason
> that most of his associates, who became his followers, were Slytherins.
>
>
> The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
> an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
> who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
> to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely. I think the
> reason Voldermort's first associates children became the majority of
> Death Eaters is Riddle was practicing a powerful form of Pre-World War
> II marketing. He told people what they needed to hear. Dumbledore
> tells Harry Riddles friends were "the weak seeking protection, the
> ambitious seeking some shared glory and the thuggish gravitating toward
> a leader who could show them more refined forms of cruelty".
> Apparently, weak, when he came to power, would be the strong, the
> ambitious, would be in positions of power, and the thuggish could
> practice their cruelties without fear of reprisal. Although Dumbledore
> doesn't mention them, Riddle must have agreed with the old wizarding
> families like the Blacks and Malfoys that their culture and very way of
> life was threatened by Muggleborn and Half Bloods. These people had to
> be monitored and controlled and it could be done by practicing the
> Dark Arts.
> Riddle was so good looking and so charismatic that they believed him.
> And, even when he left to pursue his dark art studies, they waited for
> him to come back, and indoctrinated their children as to how wonderful
> he was and how great things would be when he came to power. When he
> returned, he had an army waiting for him.
>
> Why did Severus Snape know more dark curses than most seventh years?
> Because, his mother was, if not a Death Eater, an intimate of
> Voldermort's. Someone, Slugworth I think, says house placements
> usually run in families. If Snape is a Slytherin there is a good
> chance his mother was too. Since her picture shows she wasn't
> particularly pretty or pleasant, she might have been one of those weak
> ones that got Riddle's protection, and, if her protector was studying
> the Dark Arts, she might have too and taught them to her son. That
> might have been the cause of the violent argument that Snape
> remembered. His muggle father might not have minded his wife being a
> witch, but dabbling with dark magic and teaching it to their child
> might be another thing.
>
> I hope someone will join my conversation. It gets lonely talking to
> myself.
>
> RC

First, I hope your conjunctivitis is on the mend. Second, it's when
you start answering yourself that you have to worry!

Here's my take on the above:

IMO, even though Slytherin is composed of primarily purebloods (with
some exceptions..cough>Snape), I feel that it doesn't have as much
respectability in the wizarding world as the other four houses, and
wizards have a tendancy to cast aspersions on the students of the
house. Didn't Hagrid say something that there wasn't a witch or wizard
who went bad that wasn't in Slytherin?

Tom Riddle was intelligent, handsome, charming and charismatic, a
classic snake-oil salesman or meglomaniac. I'm sure it was very easy
for him to attract many students, but I think he hand-picked his
followers from the most promising students, particularly those who had
prominent family connections.

When the 2nd generation of his followers attended Hogwarts, I don't
think it was necessary to actively recruit them, they were already
ensconced by way of familial connection; similar to occupations and
organizations running in families. This new breed already established
their dominance in Slytherin and the task then fell to them to bring to
members into the fold. I am sure that some of the pureblood families
probably agreed with Riddle's original theology.

Shrewd and calculating Lucius Malfoy is about five years older than SS
(& I think Bella is one year older than he). I'm sure that he
approached new students with an eye to the future, making silky
overtures to those he thought would be most useful to TR/LV: those with
individual skills, prominent wealthy families or politically connected
families. Snape, IMO, fell into the first group. Since we don't know
anything about his background other than what Harry saw, I don't think
we can safely make any other assumptions. Take one student with an
early aptitude and interest for dark magic and add to the mix a dose of
insecurity and alienation, and you have a 100% candidate for a DE.

Sirius told Harry that Snape hung around with a gang of Slytherins who
turned out to be death eaters. However, looking at the dates, IMO,
Snape had this "gang" around to protect him only through perhaps his
fourth year. I think that when we saw the pensieve incident (and I'm
sure there were many others), Snape at that time was pretty much on his
own. Perhaps even in the beginning, it was Snape et al who started the
incidents and the Marauders felt that it was now payback time.

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245920 ]

So, 09 April 2006 23:04

John VanSickle

rc wrote:

> After a few more hours, I started answering myself. The Slytherin
> question is easy. Tom Riddle was a Slytherin so it stands to reason
> that most of his associates, who became his followers, were Slytherins.
>
> The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
> an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
> who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
> to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely.

On the contrary, parent's friends are often regarded as additional aunts
and/or uncles.

In any event, the "souls with sticker prices" are Voldemort's primary
recruiting ground. That sort tends to be found in Slytherin.

Regards,
John

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #245940 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 02:06

bdurrettccci

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246793 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 04:41

dicconf

In article <1144584083.451884.292280 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Jane Grey <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Richard Eney wrote:
><snip>
>> This is a bit of a stretch. I agree, although we have no hard evidence,
>> that Eileen Prince is likely to have been a Slytherin, especially as
>
>I was inclined to think she was Slytherin too but then, a Slytherin
>marry a muggle? Did Eileen change her opinions about muggles
>drastically since her sorting or what?

Eileen was highly competitive, shown by her being a Gobstones champion;
Slytherin is for the ambitious. Maybe it was being in Slytherin that
showed her what a lot of inbred idiots most of the purebloods of that
generation were, and she decided she'd rather marry a muggle.

>> Tobias Snape was a muggle so Snape's early magical training is likely
>> to have come from her or her friends. However, she need not have been
>> a DE or have known Voldemort. There were other dark wizards, not
>> all as deep in the dark arts as Tom Riddle, but he had to learn from
>> someone, and Grindelwald would have had associates too. There are
>> also books of dark magic, some even in the Hogwarts library.
>
>i get the impression that dark magic is passed down the generations in
>dark families and the Prince family could have been one of these. Maybe
>Snape was sent to stay with his grandparents alot and picked up stuff
>from them. I guess families could be into dark magic without being too
>into their pureblood pride thing...

At least an attitude toward it can be passed on by family training.

The main thing with dark magic seems to be a desire for power rather
than a desire to help others or just make a living. Some of the spells
given as the 'claim to fame' of certain wizard healers sound like rather
nasty attack spells if used to cause harm.

=Tamar

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246795 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 04:54

dicconf

In article <1144615398.010152.39430 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>

>Shrewd and calculating Lucius Malfoy is about five years older than
>SS (& I think Bella is one year older than he). I'm sure that he
>approached new students with an eye to the future, making silky
>overtures to those he thought would be most useful to TR/LV: those with
>individual skills, prominent wealthy families or politically connected
>families. Snape, IMO, fell into the first group. Since we don't know
>anything about his background other than what Harry saw, I don't think
>we can safely make any other assumptions. Take one student with an
>early aptitude and interest for dark magic and add to the mix a dose
>of insecurity and alienation, and you have a 100% candidate for a DE.
>
>Sirius told Harry that Snape hung around with a gang of Slytherins who
>turned out to be death eaters. However, looking at the dates, IMO,
>Snape had this "gang" around to protect him only through perhaps his
>fourth year. I think that when we saw the pensieve incident (and I'm
>sure there were many others), Snape at that time was pretty much on
>his own.

That's an interesting observation. I don't know of anything against
it, and it does explain why a kid who had a gang to hang around with
was alone.

=Tamar

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246799 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 05:19

Richard Eney wrote:

>
> It just occurred to me, maybe Snape started with potions at home
> because you don't need a wand to make a potion. A skinny kid who
> probably had to stay home a lot to avoid being beaten up by the
> local bullies would have wanted something to do.
> =Tamar

This makes a lot of sense and is probably closer to the character than
my idea.

RC

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246800 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 05:22

Jane Grey wrote:

>
> or Tobias could just have been generally bad tempered towards his wife
> and child, maybe steming from the fact that the Prince's made him feel
> an inadequate match for their pureblood daughter
>

> but would the muggle know the difference between what the wizarding
> world concidered dark magic and allowed magic? i think probably not.
> maybe Tobias was just a bully. Like father like son.
>
> --
> Jane Grey

Jane, you are probably right. If the abused becomes the abuser, Snape
was definately abused.

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246802 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 05:23

Jane Grey wrote:

> or Tobias could just have been generally bad tempered towards his wife
> and child, maybe steming from the fact that the Prince's made him feel
> an inadequate match for their pureblood daughter

> but would the muggle know the difference between what the wizarding
> world concidered dark magic and allowed magic? i think probably not.
> maybe Tobias was just a bully. Like father like son.
>
> --
> Jane Grey

Jane, you are probably right. If the abused becomes the abuser, Snape
was definately abused.

RC

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246803 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 05:33

Here in Minnesota wrote:

>
> This one I think you have reversed... I think that Riddle was in Slytherin
> because he was evil not that Slytherin is evil because of Tom Riddle.
>
> Ken

I never meant to imply Slytherin is evil. In SoS Professor McGonagall
tells the first years
" while you are here your house will be something like your family
within Hogwarts. You will have classes with the rest of your house,
sleep in your house dormitory, and spend fee time in your house common
room." Because he was a Slytherin, he associated with Slytherins more
than other houses and that's where he recruited his followers.

Looking at the larger picture though, there are only 40 to 50 Death
Eaters and that isn't a lot for two generations. They may be a
majority of Slytherins, but a small minority of the total students of
that house.

RC

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246804 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 05:40

John VanSickle wrote:
> > The next question was harder to answer. Children usually don't have
> > an in-depth relationship with their parent's friends. They may know
> > who they are and might have a friendly relationship with them, but as
> > to being their friends and followers, it is unlikely.
>
> On the contrary, parent's friends are often regarded as additional aunts
> and/or uncles.
.. > Regards,
> John

Sure parent's friends are often regarded as aunts and uncles. My
children have two honorary aunts. They are invited to family functions
and get Christmas cards, but they certainly don't hang out with them or
have the same interests. Besides, Riddle was gone for many years and
the only way the children of his followers could have had such high
regard for him was through their parents. Riddle must have made one
heck of an impression.

RC

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246808 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 09:55

Toon

On 9 Apr 2006 05:01:23 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Richard Eney wrote:
><snip>
>> This is a bit of a stretch. I agree, although we have no hard evidence,
>> that Eileen Prince is likely to have been a Slytherin, especially as
>
>I was inclined to think she was Slytherin too but then, a Slytherin
>marry a muggle? Did Eileen change her opinions about muggles
>drastically since her sorting or what?

Who said she ever hated Muggles? Muggle hating doesn't get you into
Slytherin.

>i get the impression that dark magic is passed down the generations in
>dark families and the Prince family could have been one of these. Maybe
>Snape was sent to stay with his grandparents alot and picked up stuff
>from them. I guess families could be into dark magic without being too
>into their pureblood pride thing...

Juts because a lot of the purebloods do dark and vie versa doesn't
mean they all do.

>> Even if the statement is an exaggeration, Snape seems to have known
>> a lot of magic at least intellectually before he arrived in school.
>> Living in a wizard household, he may have been taught magic at home
>> but ordered to keep it totally secret so it would pass as parental
>> magic; we know he did some magic at home as a teenager, presumably
>> during the holidays when they aren't supposed to. (I'm not 100%
>> sure; the Decree apparently covers summer holidays, but does it
>> cover Christmas and Easter breaks? I assume it does.) Still, he
>> could have learned a lot from reading without ever practicing until
>> he arrived and was technically legal. Hermione memorized all her
>> school books before she arrived; I'm sure Snape did the same, and
>> probably every book he could get hold of.
>
>yeah, probably

Or he live din a Muggle/Wizzard community and it mattered not, as long
a she didn't specifically target the Muggles there.

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246809 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 09:56

Toon

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:41:56 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:

>In article <1144584083.451884.292280 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>Jane Grey <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>Richard Eney wrote:
>><snip>
>>> This is a bit of a stretch. I agree, although we have no hard evidence,
>>> that Eileen Prince is likely to have been a Slytherin, especially as
>>
>>I was inclined to think she was Slytherin too but then, a Slytherin
>>marry a muggle? Did Eileen change her opinions about muggles
>>drastically since her sorting or what?
>
>Eileen was highly competitive, shown by her being a Gobstones champion;
>Slytherin is for the ambitious. Maybe it was being in Slytherin that
>showed her what a lot of inbred idiots most of the purebloods of that
>generation were, and she decided she'd rather marry a muggle.
>
>>> Tobias Snape was a muggle so Snape's early magical training is likely
>>> to have come from her or her friends. However, she need not have been
>>> a DE or have known Voldemort. There were other dark wizards, not
>>> all as deep in the dark arts as Tom Riddle, but he had to learn from
>>> someone, and Grindelwald would have had associates too. There are
>>> also books of dark magic, some even in the Hogwarts library.
>>
>>i get the impression that dark magic is passed down the generations in
>>dark families and the Prince family could have been one of these. Maybe
>>Snape was sent to stay with his grandparents alot and picked up stuff
>>from them. I guess families could be into dark magic without being too
>>into their pureblood pride thing...
>
>At least an attitude toward it can be passed on by family training.
>
>The main thing with dark magic seems to be a desire for power rather
>than a desire to help others or just make a living. Some of the spells
>given as the 'claim to fame' of certain wizard healers sound like rather
>nasty attack spells if used to cause harm.
>
>=Tamar

Imagine Lockharts's Bone Removal sell being utilized as such on
purpose.

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246813 ]

Mo, 10 April 2006 10:16

dsueme

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #246856 ]

Di, 11 April 2006 01:25

John VanSickle

rc wrote:
>
> Besides, Riddle was gone for many years and
> the only way the children of his followers could have had such high
> regard for him was through their parents. Riddle must have made one
> heck of an impression.

"Have your children serve me, or I'll Crucio them."

"Er, uh, okay."

Regards,
John

Re: Death Eaters, Slytherin and Severus Snape [message #247565 ]

Mi, 12 April 2006 01:35

R Black

One should NOT imply that Snape is evil either. Snape might have killed
DD but I believe he did it on DD orders.

One must remember that Snape is playing his own game,
It itersected with DD's but it does NOT intersect with LV's
but LV does not or has not figured that out yet.

When push comes to shove, LV better watch out for Snape

One must now list the most powerful wizards in order.
1)Snape
2)LV

In the end, I beleve that Harry will Destroy what make
what make LV evil, (effectively killing LV), and leave a
shell of Tom Riddle hoplessly insane at St. Mungos.

I also believe that it will be Snape and Harry working
together to acommplish this.

It just makes sense

Chip

rc wrote:
> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>
>
>>This one I think you have reversed... I think that Riddle was in Slytherin
>>because he was evil not that Slytherin is evil because of Tom Riddle.
>>
>>Ken
>
>
> I never meant to imply Slytherin is evil. In SoS Professor McGonagall
> tells the first years
> " while you are here your house will be something like your family
> within Hogwarts. You will have classes with the rest of your house,
> sleep in your house dormitory, and spend fee time in your house common
> room." Because he was a Slytherin, he associated with Slytherins more
> than other houses and that's where he recruited his followers.
>
> Looking at the larger picture though, there are only 40 to 50 Death
> Eaters and that isn't a lot for two generations. They may be a
> majority of Slytherins, but a small minority of the total students of
> that house.
>
> RC
>

Re: misuse of spells [message #247574 ]

Mi, 12 April 2006 08:11

dicconf

In article <et3k3218119havi7ogp879uk4o4bd89nqe [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:

>>The main thing with dark magic seems to be a desire for power rather
>>than a desire to help others or just make a living. Some of the spells
>>given as the 'claim to fame' of certain wizard healers sound like rather
>>nasty attack spells if used to cause harm.
>>
>>=Tamar
>
>Imagine Lockharts's Bone Removal spell being utilized as such on
>purpose.

Or the Entrail-Expelling Spell.

=Tamar

Re: misuse of spells [message #247586 ]

Mi, 12 April 2006 15:39

wadkin2000

Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <et3k3218119havi7ogp879uk4o4bd89nqe [at] 4ax.com>,
> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> > dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>
> >>The main thing with dark magic seems to be a desire for power rather
> >>than a desire to help others or just make a living. Some of the spells
> >>given as the 'claim to fame' of certain wizard healers sound like rather
> >>nasty attack spells if used to cause harm.
> >>
> >>=Tamar
> >
> >Imagine Lockharts's Bone Removal spell being utilized as such on
> >purpose.
>
> Or the Entrail-Expelling Spell.
>
> =Tamar

I wonder if dark magic requires more emotion behind it than "regular"
magic and if the caster derives more of a "high" from it.
LOL...(picturing wizards going to support groups or seeking medications
for their addiction to dark magic!

Re: misuse of spells [message #247643 ]

Do, 13 April 2006 09:42

Toon

On 12 Apr 2006 06:39:30 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Richard Eney wrote:
>> In article <et3k3218119havi7ogp879uk4o4bd89nqe [at] 4ax.com>,
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>> > dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>>
>> >>The main thing with dark magic seems to be a desire for power rather
>> >>than a desire to help others or just make a living. Some of the spells
>> >>given as the 'claim to fame' of certain wizard healers sound like rather
>> >>nasty attack spells if used to cause harm.
>> >>
>> >>=Tamar
>> >
>> >Imagine Lockharts's Bone Removal spell being utilized as such on
>> >purpose.
>>
>> Or the Entrail-Expelling Spell.
>>
>> =Tamar
>
>
>I wonder if dark magic requires more emotion behind it than "regular"
>magic and if the caster derives more of a "high" from it.
>LOL...(picturing wizards going to support groups or seeking medications
>for their addiction to dark magic!

Oh yeah, AK Anonymous. Hi, my name is Tom, and I like to kill people
with AK. Hi Tom!

Re: misuse of spells [message #247656 ]

Do, 13 April 2006 15:16

Philip Lewis

Toon <toon [at] toon.com> writes:
>Hi, my name is Tom, and I like to kill people with A[varda] K[edavra]
>Hi Tom!

Shouldn't the response be: "AAAARRRRGGG!" <thump>?
;-}

--
May no harm befall you,
flip
Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
Remove origin of the word spam from address to reply (leave "+")

Re: misuse of spells [message #247661 ]

Do, 13 April 2006 16:31

wadkin2000

Philip Lewis wrote:
> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> writes:
> >Hi, my name is Tom, and I like to kill people with A[varda] K[edavra]
> >Hi Tom!
>
> Shouldn't the response be: "AAAARRRRGGG!" <thump>?
> ;-}
>
> --
> May no harm befall you,
> flip
> Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
> Remove origin of the word spam from address to reply (leave "+")

ROTFL!!! I wonder what the twelve steps would be?

Re: misuse of spells [message #247684 ]

Fr, 14 April 2006 07:02

Toon

On 13 Apr 2006 07:31:58 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Philip Lewis wrote:
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> writes:
>> >Hi, my name is Tom, and I like to kill people with A[varda] K[edavra]
>> >Hi Tom!
>>
>> Shouldn't the response be: "AAAARRRRGGG!" <thump>?
>> ;-}
>>
>> --
>> May no harm befall you,
>> flip
>> Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
>> Remove origin of the word spam from address to reply (leave "+")
>
>
>ROTFL!!! I wonder what the twelve steps would be?

You got to go to the veil and apologize to everyone you killed. And
of course, no more killings.

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