| Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245535] |
Do, 06 April 2006 01:09 |
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OK, I understand that after that long debate concerning Ginny Weasley's
brown eyes and red hair last year, this may open up a can of worms.
Being a hopelessly compulsive fangrrrl, though, I just have to ask:
have the eye colours for any of the Weasleys besides Ron and Ginny been
mentioned (in an interview JKR said Ron had blue eyes). Since Ron has
blue eyes, both Molly and Arthur must carry at least on copy of the
allele for blue eyes, though not neccessarily be blue-eyed themselves.
Since Ginny has brown eyes, most likely at least oen of them are
brown-eyed (the allele for brown eyes is a dominant one). This get a
little tricky if one of them are green-eyed, because green eyes are a
bit unusual in that they are a melanin intermediate and one doesn't
need to be homozygous for the allele to have green eyes (unlike blue
eyes).
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245584 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 11:42 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> OK, I understand that after that long debate concerning Ginny Weasley's
> brown eyes and red hair last year, this may open up a can of worms.
> Being a hopelessly compulsive fangrrrl, though, I just have to ask...
This get a
> little tricky if one of them are green-eyed, because green eyes are a
> bit unusual in that they are a melanin intermediate and one doesn't
> need to be homozygous for the allele to have green eyes (unlike blue
> eyes).
Dude, you have outed yourself. "grrrlz" don't know shit from alleles.
And I like "The Bell Curve" also.
And that's the operative factor here. JKR isn't math girl, she isn't
science girl. (Recent developments on her site raise the possibility
that she may be fat girrl). She simply made a silly when she described
Ginny as having brown eyes.
Red hair (of the celtic persuasion) and blue eyes are highly linked.
ALL the Weasly's have red hair - that closely links them to that Celtic
gene pool. The chances of brown eyes popping out of that gene pool are
about the same as a Roman soldier wandering north of Hadrian's wall and
surviving the first night camp out. We're talking primitive stone
tools and major whump ass here...
The only rational explination for Ginny's brown eyes implicates the
postman. Whoa - I got a really bad imagery here with Errol and Molly.
If you think this is where JKR wants to go then I suggest you start
over.
Dave
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245599 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 17:27 |
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I thought I plonked you long ago, but I'm bored so I'll entertain
myself with your responses:
1) What hard, cannonical evidence is there that the Weasleys are pure
Celts besides red hair? While the Rep. of Ireland and countries in the
British Isles have the highest per capita percentage of red-heads in
the Caucasian population, the trait is still found in other European
groups whose modern admixture have diluted any Celtic heritage they may
have had. Also, if the Black family tree is any indication, the
Weasleys have bred with other wizarding families who were apparently
not purely Celtic.
2) There is some genetic linkage between red hair and green eyes, and
also blue eyes to a lower extent, but but the probablity of a redhead
having brown eyes isn't near impossible, as you seem to think (even for
a Celt).
3) Why do you harbor so much anger towards women?
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245633 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 00:29 |
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David Sueme wrote:
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> The only rational explination for Ginny's brown eyes implicates the
> postman. snip> Dave
But Molly claimed that the postman didn't even knew where they lived.
From Molly's letter GOF
"It would be best for Harry to send us your answer as quickly as possible in
the normal way, because the Muggle postman has never delivered to our house,
and I am not sure he even knows where it is.
Hoping to see Harry soon,
Yours sincerely,
Molly Weasley
P.S. I do hope we've put enough stamps on."
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245638 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 01:29 |
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David Sueme wrote:
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>>OK, I understand that after that long debate concerning Ginny Weasley's
>>brown eyes and red hair last year, this may open up a can of worms.
>>Being a hopelessly compulsive fangrrrl, though, I just have to ask...
>
>
> This get a
>
>>little tricky if one of them are green-eyed, because green eyes are a
>>bit unusual in that they are a melanin intermediate and one doesn't
>>need to be homozygous for the allele to have green eyes (unlike blue
>>eyes).
>
>
> Dude, you have outed yourself. "grrrlz" don't know shit from alleles.
> And I like "The Bell Curve" also.
>
> And that's the operative factor here. JKR isn't math girl, she isn't
> science girl. (Recent developments on her site raise the possibility
> that she may be fat girrl). She simply made a silly when she described
> Ginny as having brown eyes.
>
> Red hair (of the celtic persuasion) and blue eyes are highly linked.
> ALL the Weasly's have red hair - that closely links them to that Celtic
> gene pool.
I do not agree. My family is polish and the women on my mothers side
tend to have red hair and blue eyes if they are under 5' 2". Above that
height they have progressively darker hair - and brown eyes.
The chances of brown eyes popping out of that gene pool are
> about the same as a Roman soldier wandering north of Hadrian's wall and
> surviving the first night camp out. We're talking primitive stone
> tools and major whump ass here...
Blue eyes are recessive - requiring blue genes from both the mother and
father. Otherwise - only one gene need be "Other" than blue to be
dominant. The likelyhood of a brown eyed girl is higher than a blue (or
green) eyed one.
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245645 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 01:53 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com escribió:
> 3) Why do you harbor so much anger towards women?
Obviously, he has never been one...
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245650 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 02:28 |
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I would just like to point out that we're debating the possibility of a
character in a fictional book possessing a certain EYE color! I mean,
seriously, I get enough of this in Biology. Does it REALLY matter? This
is something people discuss when they've killed the HP books so often
there is no longer anything of interest. *ducks* don't hate me!
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245670 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 07:37 |
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In article <1144278552.876524.84630 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I understand that after that long debate concerning Ginny Weasley's
>brown eyes and red hair last year, this may open up a can of worms.
>Being a hopelessly compulsive fangrrrl, though, I just have to ask:
>have the eye colours for any of the Weasleys besides Ron and Ginny been
>mentioned (in an interview JKR said Ron had blue eyes).
I don't think JKR has mentioned any other Weasley eye colors, and
she only put Ginny's in the book; as you say, Ron's was given only
in answer to a direct question.
But I think you need to use Google and reread that thread.
In that discussion, people who work with genetics for a living
reported that brown eyes are actually _more_ common with red hair
than blue eyes are. So I would estimate that several other Weasleys
have brown eyes. My guess would be that Bill and Charlie would have
brown eyes and Percy and the twins have blue eyes.
I doubt that any Weasleys have green eyes or even hazel eyes, because
that would dilute Harry's Potterverse uniqueness. Even though JKR
says it isn't the color that makes his eyes important, from the
standpoint of the color-coding stereotypes that she is using for
the most part (Hermione aside), when the hero's eyes are emphasized
for their unusual color, it is very rarely that anyone else will
casually be given the same color eyes.
>Since Ron has
>blue eyes, both Molly and Arthur must carry at least one copy of the
>allele for blue eyes, though not necessarily be blue-eyed themselves.
>Since Ginny has brown eyes, most likely at least one of them are
>brown-eyed (the allele for brown eyes is a dominant one).
Not always, according to what I read from people who work with
genetics it is perfectly possible for two blue-eyed people to
have a brown-eyed child. (The Mendelian diagram is hopelessly
inadequate to describe the complex interactions of eye genetics.)
> This get a little tricky if one of them are green-eyed, because
>green eyes are a bit unusual in that they are a melanin intermediate
>and one doesn't need to be homozygous for the allele to have green
>eyes (unlike blue eyes).
As I said above, I doubt that any of the Weasleys are green-eyed.
If any are, it ought to be the twins (or Mafalda-that-might-have-been).
=Tamar
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245691 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:20 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I thought I plonked you long ago
I was hoping so. I am old now - so old that the erectile dysfunction
commercials on the History Channel merely bore me. What are they
talking about? But being "plonked" by a moron - ah, ah, ah, AH!. This
is worth waking up and paying attention!
> 1) What hard, cannonical evidence is there that the Weasleys are pure
> Celts besides red hair?
Get real. With millions of galleons at stake, the movie casters found
a kid who's face looks like a map of Ireland - or, alternatively, a
potato with the blight. Or both.
> 2) There is some genetic linkage between red hair and green eyes, and
> also blue eyes to a lower extent, but but the probablity of a redhead
> having brown eyes isn't near impossible, as you seem to think (even for
> a Celt).
There are no such thing as green eyes - it's merely a metaphor. There
are blue eyes, brown eyes, and various blue/brown mixes.
> 3) Why do you harbor so much anger towards women?
Well, don't you think negroes and wetbacks deserve a break once in a
while?
Dave
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245696 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:26 |
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drusilla wrote:
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com escribi=F3:
>
> > 3) Why do you harbor so much anger towards women?
>
> Obviously, he has never been one...
Hey dru, are you acquainted with the English palabra "scribble"? Could
there be a reason why the Spanish word for "write" is so similar to the
English word that means "write without concern for quality"?
Dave
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245700 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:28 |
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Here in Minnesota wrote:
> David Sueme wrote:
> snip
> > The only rational explination for Ginny's brown eyes implicates the
> > postman. snip> Dave
>
> But Molly claimed that the postman didn't even knew where they lived.
Dude - there is an alternative post"man". Like I sed, it's a
frightening image - blood and feathers. Where is Rita Hayworth when
you need her?
Dave
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245702 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 10:33 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> Blue eyes are recessive - requiring blue genes from both the mother and
> father. Otherwise - only one gene need be "Other" than blue to be
> dominant. The likelyhood of a brown eyed girl is higher than a blue (or
> green) eyed one.
Red hair is also recessive. In fact, I imagine all - ok, most - of the
improvements that occured after Homo Sapiens escaped the hot house of
Africa are recessive.
Dave
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245712 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 14:42 |
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drusilla wrote:
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com escribió:
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>> 3) Why do you harbor so much anger towards women?
>
>
> Obviously, he has never been one...
>
Oh - I don't know about that. You don't need to have been a woman to
have had a bad relationship with one. THe connotation of "mother-inLaw"
- for instance - didn't get that way out of fiction. But even before
that - in childhood - there was the WIcked Witch of the west (ooops -
might be the same thing)
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245736 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 19:50 |
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Thank you, Tamar. This was precisely the response I was looking for!
Now hopefully this thread will die and not attract more trolls.
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #245762 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 23:57 |
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angelicallydemonic [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> I would just like to point out that we're debating the possibility of a
> character in a fictional book possessing a certain EYE color! I mean,
> seriously, I get enough of this in Biology. Does it REALLY matter? This
> is something people discuss when they've killed the HP books so often
> there is no longer anything of interest. *ducks* don't hate me!
>
Of course it matters - the future of the entire free world is dependent
on the course of eye color.
As far as DUCKS - how can you be so sure?
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| Re: Weasley Family and Eye Colour [message #246794 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 04:53 |
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"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:xfBZf.702557$qk4.345791 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> angelicallydemonic [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I would just like to point out that we're debating the possibility of a
>> character in a fictional book possessing a certain EYE color! I mean,
>> seriously, I get enough of this in Biology. Does it REALLY matter? This
>> is something people discuss when they've killed the HP books so often
>> there is no longer anything of interest. *ducks* don't hate me!
>>
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> Of course it matters - the future of the entire free world is dependent
> on the course of eye color.
>
> As far as DUCKS - how can you be so sure?
I think it was meant as an action, not emphasis on the water foul.
Then again, the response could be sarcasm, in which case I caught
it on the return trip.
TME
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