| I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245203] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 15:56 |
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Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245204 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 17:27 |
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Tony Roma wrote:
> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
I would imagine the answer would lie in the Jedi's "knowledge" the Sith
had been wiped out. Sure they knew the Sith had existed, but they were
under the false belief the group wasn't around any longer. The Sith had
been keeping their tracks covered for so long, they essentially fell off
the radar. One thing that helped the Sith was their two-sith rule.
There could only be two Sith at any given time; one master and one
apprentice. With so few people, and a strong desire to go unnoticed,
the Sith were conceivably able to stay out of the Jedi's vision way long
enough for Palpatine to set up his plan without too much Jedi suspicion.
Obviously, once the ball starting really rolling, the Jedi council did
have suspicions of Palpatine and we see these suspicions played out in
the latter half of the prequels. Unfortunately for the Jedi, it was too
little, too late by this point.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245205 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 19:36 |
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_Tony Roma_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 9:56 AM:
> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
The Sith were not known to be alive for 1000 years; and so the Jedi
Order had become arrogant. The dark side clouded the Jedi' vision.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245206 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 19:41 |
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_Spencer Meffert_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 11:27 AM:
> One thing that helped the Sith was their two-sith rule.
> There could only be two Sith at any given time; one master and one
> apprentice.
AIUI, it's not a "rule" as in 'charter'. It's just the nature of the
Sith. Their individual greed for supremacy caused them to go after each
other.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245207 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 20:36 |
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Solon wrote:
> _Spencer Meffert_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 11:27 AM:
>> One thing that helped the Sith was their two-sith rule.
>> There could only be two Sith at any given time; one master and one
>> apprentice.
>
> AIUI, it's not a "rule" as in 'charter'. It's just the nature of the
> Sith. Their individual greed for supremacy caused them to go after each
> other.
I have read that it was a rule not just the natural course in which the
Sith have to exist.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245208 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 20:50 |
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_Spencer Meffert_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 2:36 PM:
> I have read that it was a rule not just the natural course in which the
> Sith have to exist.
Where?
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245211 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 01:39 |
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"Spencer Meffert" <smeffert [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:44367f2c$1_1 [at] newspeer2.tds.net...
> Obviously, once the ball starting really rolling, the Jedi council did
> have suspicions of Palpatine and we see these suspicions played out in the
> latter half of the prequels. Unfortunately for the Jedi, it was too
> little, too late by this point.
By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's inner
circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top suspects)
and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until Anakin
revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the scope of
the problem.
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http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html
Current Action Figure Count: 1327
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245212 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 01:47 |
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"Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:corc321j7psl2osapdo862u4k6659k64tm [at] 4ax.com...
> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
Okay, so the Dark Side was elusive for the Jedi and helped to hide the true
identity of Darth Sideous. I can buy that. Perhaps the Jedi refusal to get
close enough to the Dark Side to understand how it works and how to work
around it was their weakness. Maybe Palpatine's growing power and mastery
of the Dark Side even began to affect the Jedi ability to use the Light
Side. But what I don't understand is why it took 1000 years for the Sith to
make their move. Thirst for absolute power does not seem consistent with
millennia-long patience.
As for the power of Sith vs. Jedi, I'm sure someone will make the case that
the Dark Side is not more powerful, just quicker and easier. If that is the
case and we assume both sides of The Force are relatively equal, I'd argue
that the power of an individual Sith may indeed be more than that of the
typical Jedi. Of course, there are two Sith to the 10,000 Jedi.
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--K
http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html
Current Action Figure Count: 1327
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245214 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 02:46 |
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In article <BoidnYNCqYcyKavZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d [at] giganews.com>, Solon
<usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> _Spencer Meffert_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 2:36 PM:
> >
> > I have read that it was a rule not just the natural course in which the
> > Sith have to exist.
>
> Where?
It is a rule that was made by Darth Bane after the near extinction of
the Sith at the end of the Sith-Jedi Wars and their own in-fighting.
From the Star Wars Fact Files (page Characters: BAN4) ...
Armed and armoured, both physically and mentally,
Bane emerged from Nadd's tomb ready to create a new
Sith Order. No more would there by many Lords, all
fighting each other for superiority. Now, there
would be two - a Master and an Apprentice.
The Sith Lords stick to this rule for self-preservation. They aren't
interested in just having the "Sith in power" ... they want THEMSELEVES
in power.
Now, that doesn't mean that there are only two "bad guys" since not all
"bad guys" are Sith.
Grievous, for example, is NOT a Sith Lord. He's simply a "bad guy
henchman" who was taught lightsaber skills by Count Dooku. The same
goes for the female that Count Dooku took under his wing in the CLone
Wars animated show.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245216 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 03:46 |
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:47:44 -0600, "Karrde"
<karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>news:corc321j7psl2osapdo862u4k6659k64tm [at] 4ax.com...
>> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
>> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
>> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
>> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
>> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
>Okay, so the Dark Side was elusive for the Jedi and helped to hide the true
>identity of Darth Sideous. I can buy that. Perhaps the Jedi refusal to get
>close enough to the Dark Side to understand how it works and how to work
>around it was their weakness. Maybe Palpatine's growing power and mastery
>of the Dark Side even began to affect the Jedi ability to use the Light
>Side. But what I don't understand is why it took 1000 years for the Sith to
>make their move. Thirst for absolute power does not seem consistent with
>millennia-long patience.
>
>As for the power of Sith vs. Jedi, I'm sure someone will make the case that
>the Dark Side is not more powerful, just quicker and easier. If that is the
>case and we assume both sides of The Force are relatively equal, I'd argue
>that the power of an individual Sith may indeed be more than that of the
>typical Jedi. Of course, there are two Sith to the 10,000 Jedi.
I dont know if I am convinced that the Sith are not stronger than the
jedi. Since 1 sith confused so many jedi masters and knights. Also, I
think it is safe to say that Darth Maul was indeed stronger than Qui
Gon and Obi-Won. I think it could be said that maul was perhaps tired
and over-confidant and that is why he lost to obi won.
He seemed to be handling the 2 of them just fine for a while!
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245218 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 06:28 |
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"Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4436f829_3 [at] x-privat.org...
> By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's inner
> circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top suspects)
> and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until Anakin
> revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the scope of
> the problem.
Indeed. In the book Mace Windu states that Palpatine himself is not a
suspect because he already controls the galaxy. How little the Jedi
understood the nature of the dark side and the enemy they were facing.
--
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
http://esnips.com/web/MyStarWarsToys
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245222 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 10:28 |
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>>Grievous, for example, is NOT a Sith Lord. He's simply a "bad guy
>>henchman" who was taught lightsaber skills by Count Dooku. The same
>>goes for the female that Count Dooku took under his wing in the CLone
>>Wars animated show.
BTW: what was the name of that female anyway?????
she kinda reminds me of Taun We
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245225 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 13:50 |
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"If Grievous had The Force......" <dethangel [at] slayerized.com> wrote in
message news:1144484901.952851.252870 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> BTW: what was the name of that female anyway?????
>
> she kinda reminds me of Taun We
Her name was Asajj Ventress.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245229 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 15:27 |
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:56:31 GMT, Tony Roma wrote:
> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
But then again, why couldn't Vader sense that Leia was his own daughter in
one of the first scenes of episode 4?
--
"Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving from
where you left them to where you can't find them."
RocinanteREMOVETHIS [at] gmail.com
4/8/2006 9:26:11 AM
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245230 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 15:35 |
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It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
asking why is it that way...
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245232 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 20:34 |
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_Karrde_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 7:47 PM:
> Okay, so the Dark Side was elusive for the Jedi and helped to hide the true
> identity of Darth Sideous. I can buy that. Perhaps the Jedi refusal to get
> close enough to the Dark Side to understand how it works and how to work
> around it was their weakness. Maybe Palpatine's growing power and mastery
> of the Dark Side even began to affect the Jedi ability to use the Light
> Side. But what I don't understand is why it took 1000 years for the Sith to
> make their move. Thirst for absolute power does not seem consistent with
> millennia-long patience.
Maybe it took 1000 years for the Jedi and Republic to become "not what
it once was."
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245234 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 20:43 |
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"Brett McConnie" <quadinaros [at] australiamail.com> wrote in message
news:0_GZf.1915$vy1.716 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> "Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4436f829_3 [at] x-privat.org...
>> By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's
>> inner circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top
>> suspects) and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until
>> Anakin revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the
>> scope of the problem.
>
> Indeed. In the book Mace Windu states that Palpatine himself is not a
> suspect because he already controls the galaxy. How little the Jedi
> understood the nature of the dark side and the enemy they were facing.
> --
> "Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
Too does Darth Sidious and evenYoda too I believe state that the dark side
blocks the Jedi vision.
Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245235 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 20:44 |
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"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:YdWdnamxBd_cPqvZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> _Tony Roma_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 9:56 AM:
>> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
>> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
>> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
>> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
>> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
> The Sith were not known to be alive for 1000 years; and so the Jedi
> Order had become arrogant. The dark side clouded the Jedi' vision.
But they knew there was a dark force user in TPM. They had ten years until
ROTS and still the Jedi without Anakin didn't know the Chancellor was the
dark lord of the sith.
Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245238 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 22:55 |
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In article <ru9f3aqe3eol.1c23ei492dvpu$.dlg [at] 40tude.net>, Rocinante
<RocinanteREMOVETHIS [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:56:31 GMT, Tony Roma wrote:
>
> > Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> > easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> > One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> > see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> > of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
> But then again, why couldn't Vader sense that Leia was his own daughter in
> one of the first scenes of episode 4?
Vader thought his child died 20 years earlier. He wasn't looking for
any child(ren). He may well have sensed "The Force was with her", but
paid it little attention since she couldn't have been trained because
"all" the Jedi were long dead.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245243 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 02:43 |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:43:05 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
<maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Brett McConnie" <quadinaros [at] australiamail.com> wrote in message
>news:0_GZf.1915$vy1.716 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4436f829_3 [at] x-privat.org...
>>> By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's
>>> inner circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top
>>> suspects) and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until
>>> Anakin revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the
>>> scope of the problem.
>>
>> Indeed. In the book Mace Windu states that Palpatine himself is not a
>> suspect because he already controls the galaxy. How little the Jedi
>> understood the nature of the dark side and the enemy they were facing.
>> --
>> "Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
>
>Too does Darth Sidious and evenYoda too I believe state that the dark side
>blocks the Jedi vision.
>
>Debbie Proctor
>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
>
By the same token, Palpatine was unable to sense certain things about
the Jedi. From RotJ:
"VADER
I have felt him, my Master.
EMPEROR
Strange, that I have not."
Todd
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245244 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 02:44 |
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"Todd" <twrexxnospam [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eklg325iv24f5si3io33njpr6urqhdveie [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:43:05 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
> <maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brett McConnie" <quadinaros [at] australiamail.com> wrote in message
>>news:0_GZf.1915$vy1.716 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> "Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4436f829_3 [at] x-privat.org...
>>>> By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's
>>>> inner circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top
>>>> suspects) and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until
>>>> Anakin revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the
>>>> scope of the problem.
>>>
>>> Indeed. In the book Mace Windu states that Palpatine himself is not a
>>> suspect because he already controls the galaxy. How little the Jedi
>>> understood the nature of the dark side and the enemy they were facing.
>>> --
>>> "Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
>>
>>Too does Darth Sidious and evenYoda too I believe state that the dark side
>>blocks the Jedi vision.
>>
>>Debbie Proctor
>>maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> By the same token, Palpatine was unable to sense certain things about
> the Jedi. From RotJ:
>
> "VADER
> I have felt him, my Master.
>
> EMPEROR
> Strange, that I have not."
>
> Todd
Maybe the reverse is also true. That dark force users can't sense the jedi
in the light?
Debbie Proctor
maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245250 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 16:17 |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:43:05 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
<maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Brett McConnie" <quadinaros [at] australiamail.com> wrote in message
>news:0_GZf.1915$vy1.716 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "Karrde" <karrde_smuggler_ [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4436f829_3 [at] x-privat.org...
>>> By the beginning of ROTS, they suspected that someone in Palpatine's
>>> inner circle was the Sith Lord (Mas Amedda and Sly Moore were the top
>>> suspects) and that Palpatine was under his influence. It was not until
>>> Anakin revealed Palpatine as Darth Sideous that the Jedi understood the
>>> scope of the problem.
>>
>> Indeed. In the book Mace Windu states that Palpatine himself is not a
>> suspect because he already controls the galaxy. How little the Jedi
>> understood the nature of the dark side and the enemy they were facing.
>> --
>> "Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
>
>Too does Darth Sidious and evenYoda too I believe state that the dark side
>blocks the Jedi vision.
Hmmm well if this is true it seems like a major disadvantage to the
Jedi.
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So, 09 April 2006 16:18 |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:44:46 GMT, "Deborah A Proctor"
<maraskywalker [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:YdWdnamxBd_cPqvZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
>> _Tony Roma_ spoke thusly on 07/04/2006 9:56 AM:
>>> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
>>> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
>>> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
>>> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
>>> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>>
>> The Sith were not known to be alive for 1000 years; and so the Jedi
>> Order had become arrogant. The dark side clouded the Jedi' vision.
>
>But they knew there was a dark force user in TPM. They had ten years until
>ROTS and still the Jedi without Anakin didn't know the Chancellor was the
>dark lord of the sith.
My point exactly!
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So, 09 April 2006 16:20 |
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
>asking why is it that way...
>
There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
The word is "sense"
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So, 09 April 2006 21:48 |
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FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
"Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:u36i32ho3r1f72e2o7evq8nurpma19q7pc [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
> >asking why is it that way...
> >
>
> There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
> back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
> The word is "sense"
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So, 09 April 2006 22:29 |
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"Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
doesn't seem to be yours, either.
but if you want to make friends, don't pop onto a well-established Usenet
newsgroup to insult the netizens' intelligence. we all KNOW it's fiction.
*gruff*
fucking trolls.
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So, 09 April 2006 22:52 |
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Billy Gruff wrote:
> "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
>
> doesn't seem to be yours, either.
You seem to be confused, you piece of shit. He didn't say
"mother's tongue", yet your reply suggests that he did. You
need to hone those reading comprehension skills, buttplug.
> but if you want to make friends,
With friends like you, who needs asshole motherfuckers so
full of themselves, they should kill their parents for ever having
them?
> don't pop onto a well-established Usenet newsgroup
> to insult the netizens' intelligence.
Luckily, in your case there's no danger of that, you fucking
rainman son of a cunt.
> we all KNOW it's fiction.
Blah blah blah, fucker.
> fucking trolls.
Why do you think we care what you do with your parents
in your spare time?
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So, 09 April 2006 23:06 |
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In article <e1boet$96m$1 [at] ss405.t-com.hr>, "Shkope4"
<dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
> news:u36i32ho3r1f72e2o7evq8nurpma19q7pc [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
> > >asking why is it that way...
> >
> > There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
> > back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
> > The word is "sense"
>
> FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
I wouldn't worry about it. Most native "English" speakers can't spell
either for two reason:
- Americans are corrupting the language, the removal of
'u' in words like "colour" being the obvious example
and - schools no longer bother to actually teach spelling,
grammar, mathematics, etc. Theses days they're far
too worried about promoting "political correctness"
and "exercise" / sport (with no "winner" because that's
not "politically correct"). :-\
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So, 09 April 2006 23:52 |
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_Deborah A Proctor_ spoke thusly on 08/04/2006 8:44 PM:
> Maybe the reverse is also true. That dark force users can't sense the jedi
> in the light?
I think the ordeal of Vader and Luke sensing each other was more of a
'Vader/Luke thing', rather then a 'light side thing'. Luke was the only
one (besides Padme) that sensed good still in Anakin.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245262 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 23:55 |
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_Deborah A Proctor_ spoke thusly on 08/04/2006 2:44 PM:
> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YdWdnamxBd_cPqvZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
>> The Sith were not known to be alive for 1000 years; and so the Jedi
>> Order had become arrogant. The dark side clouded the Jedi' vision.
>
> But they knew there was a dark force user in TPM. They had ten years until
> ROTS and still the Jedi without Anakin didn't know the Chancellor was the
> dark lord of the sith.
The arrogance wasn't just about having killed off the Sith. It was about
being overconfident in their ability to use the force. It wasn't until
Obi-wan reported the clone army to Yoda and Mace, that they realized it.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245263 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 00:01 |
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_Shkope4_ spoke thusly on 08/04/2006 9:35 AM:
> It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
> asking why is it that way...
It's a newsgroup for discussing Star Wars, helloooo!!!
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245264 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 01:40 |
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Anybody wrote:
> In article <e1boet$96m$1 [at] ss405.t-com.hr>, "Shkope4"
> <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:u36i32ho3r1f72e2o7evq8nurpma19q7pc [at] 4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
> > > >asking why is it that way...
> > >
> > > There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
> > > back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
> > > The word is "sense"
> >
> > FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
>
> I wouldn't worry about it. Most native "English" speakers can't spell
> either for two reason:
>
> - Americans are corrupting the language, the removal of
> 'u' in words like "colour" being the obvious example
>
> and - schools no longer bother to actually teach spelling,
> grammar, mathematics, etc. Theses days they're far
> too worried about promoting "political correctness"
> and "exercise" / sport (with no "winner" because that's
> not "politically correct"). :-\
And then there are people like you, with uninformed opinions.
The problem with English spelling predates European immigration to the
Americas and has to due with the lack of rules for spelling. Those
rules didn't exist then and they don't exist now. And even were you to
take English as spoken on the British Isles as your standard, you'd
still have to account for discrepancies in spelling among people living
in England and the UK.
As for schools, well, there are plenty of schools where spelling is
taught, and taught quite thoroughly. You're over generalizing to make
a political point.
..
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #245265 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 02:00 |
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Anybody wrote:
> In article <e1boet$96m$1 [at] ss405.t-com.hr>, "Shkope4"
> <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:u36i32ho3r1f72e2o7evq8nurpma19q7pc [at] 4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
>>>> asking why is it that way...
>>> There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
>>> back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
>>> The word is "sense"
>> FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
>
> I wouldn't worry about it. Most native "English" speakers can't spell
> either for two reason:
>
> - Americans are corrupting the language, the removal of
> 'u' in words like "colour" being the obvious example
>
> and - schools no longer bother to actually teach spelling,
> grammar, mathematics, etc. Theses days they're far
> too worried about promoting "political correctness"
> and "exercise" / sport (with no "winner" because that's
> not "politically correct"). :-\
Anybody, you are not from the United States I assume? Please correct me
if I am wrong.
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Mo, 10 April 2006 06:14 |
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In article <4439b099$1_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Spencer Meffert
<smeffert [at] tds.net> wrote:
> Anybody wrote:
> > In article <e1boet$96m$1 [at] ss405.t-com.hr>, "Shkope4"
> > <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
> >> news:u36i32ho3r1f72e2o7evq8nurpma19q7pc [at] 4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:35:27 +0200, "Shkope4" <dede_loe2000 [at] yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's a movie , hellooo!!! Get back to real life!! there is no sence in
> >>>> asking why is it that way...
> >>> There is no "sence"???? You seem like the only one that needs to get
> >>> back into the real world and go to school and learn how to spell.
> >>> The word is "sense"
> >> FYI english is not my mother tounge!!!!
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about it. Most native "English" speakers can't spell
> > either for two reasons:
> >
> > - Americans are corrupting the language, the removal of
> > 'u' in words like "colour" being the obvious example
> >
> > and - schools no longer bother to actually teach spelling,
> > grammar, mathematics, etc. Theses days they're far
> > too worried about promoting "political correctness"
> > and "exercise" / sport (with no "winner" because that's
> > not "politically correct"). :-\
>
> Anybody, you are not from the United States I assume? Please correct me
> if I am wrong.
Nope, you're right, although those reasons should probably have been
the other way around if they were in order of importance / causing the
worst effect.
I also forgot the third reason - TXT / SMS messaging and personalised
license plates with silly short cuts like "C U L8R" and hacker / gamer
slang like "L33T".
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #246711 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 08:00 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>> > - Americans are corrupting the language, the removal of
>> > 'u' in words like "colour" being the obvious example
actually, i put the "u" back into words because i like the way they look
better. however, that is NOT an example of Americans corrupting the
language. as Darth Mura pointed out, the differences in standard spellings
between the two continents is because of the lack of a cohesive rule set
before you Europeans decided to migrate across the ocean and displace a
bunch of indigs.
>> > and - schools no longer bother to actually teach spelling,
>> > grammar, mathematics, etc. Theses days they're far
>> > too worried about promoting "political correctness"
>> > and "exercise" / sport (with no "winner" because that's
>> > not "politically correct"). :-\
>>
>> Anybody, you are not from the United States I assume? Please correct me
>> if I am wrong.
>
> Nope, you're right, although those reasons should probably have been
> the other way around if they were in order of importance / causing the
> worst effect.
no, they shouldn't have been there at all. your opinions ARE uninformed, and
vastly overgeneralizing. no school in the US is forcing political
correctness on kids. if they were, the country wouldn't have so many
problems now, would it? no, the reason most Americans can't spell is that
they just don't care. the American attitude that they're the best and always
will be the best pervades every nuance of their lifestyle.
> I also forgot the third reason - TXT / SMS messaging and personalised
> license plates with silly short cuts like "C U L8R" and hacker / gamer
> slang like "L33T".
1) txt and sms messaging forces some people to abbreviate because a) they
get billed per character and b) there's a limit to how many characters can
go into one message.
2) personalized license plates are FAR from the norm. i'd hazard a guess at
something like 30%, and most of those in Virginia (highest per capita vanity
plates).
3) the only people i know who actually use words like "l33t skillz" are
making fun of the way some idiots actually say things like that. those who
aren't are a microscopic minority.
*gruff*
JAC
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #246713 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 10:43 |
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Billy Gruff wrote:
>
>
> no, they shouldn't have been there at all. your opinions ARE uninformed, and
> vastly overgeneralizing. no school in the US is forcing political
> correctness on kids. if they were, the country wouldn't have so many
> problems now, would it? no, the reason most Americans can't spell is that
> they just don't care. the American attitude that they're the best and always
> will be the best pervades every nuance of their lifestyle.
One reason it might appear that fewer people are grammatically and
lexically equipped is the widespread dissemination of the internet,
which for the time being requires the ability to communicate in written
language. Previous to the internet, the average person's scribbles
weren't available for the world's inspection. Once we have the
software to input text orally, a lot of the spelling and grammatical
errors you see now in forums like this will disappear.
Of course, that won't help people like Anybody. His messages will
still be full of uninformed opinion.
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #246717 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 21:45 |
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If the power and abilities are balanced, the dark side was distributed
between 2 sith, while the loighter side was distributed more thinly.
It seems that Jedi had a certain degree of specialization in regard to
abilities, BUT it also seems there should have been at least 1 council
member with the responsibility of journeying down paths into the future to
help avoid conflicts before they occurred.
Perhaps the Jedi were simply arrogant and as a result clouded their own
vision...
"Tony Roma" <TonyRom [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:corc321j7psl2osapdo862u4k6659k64tm [at] 4ax.com...
> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
>
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #246718 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 21:53 |
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It seems they would still test for midichlorian counts and maybe even DNA
for specific individuals that proved elusive or had some value to keep them
alive...
Yeah, something should have popped up when she was being probed - no pun
intended!
"Rocinante" <RocinanteREMOVETHIS [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ru9f3aqe3eol.1c23ei492dvpu$.dlg [at] 40tude.net...
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:56:31 GMT, Tony Roma wrote:
>
>> Why was it so easy for the sith (Palpatine) to cover all his tracks so
>> easily and the jedi could not detect anything of substance?
>> One sith and sheesh how many jedi masters and together they could not
>> see what the sith were plotting? That makes me wonder about the power
>> of the sith vs jedi. Is it really equal???
>
> But then again, why couldn't Vader sense that Leia was his own daughter in
> one of the first scenes of episode 4?
>
> --
> "Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving from
> where you left them to where you can't find them."
>
> RocinanteREMOVETHIS [at] gmail.com
> 4/8/2006 9:26:11 AM
>
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| Re: I AM STILL PUZZLED BY THIS.... [message #246726 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 05:04 |
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:52:32 -0400, Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>_Deborah A Proctor_ spoke thusly on 08/04/2006 8:44 PM:
>> Maybe the reverse is also true. That dark force users can't sense the jedi
>> in the light?
>
>I think the ordeal of Vader and Luke sensing each other was more of a
>'Vader/Luke thing', rather then a 'light side thing'. Luke was the only
>one (besides Padme) that sensed good still in Anakin.
Corny as it sounds, love could be the factor that determines that
connection, which is why Palpatine couldn't detect Luke.
Todd
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Di, 11 April 2006 07:08 |
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_Todd_ spoke thusly on 10/04/2006 11:04 PM:
> Corny as it sounds, love could be the factor that determines that
> connection, which is why Palpatine couldn't detect Luke.
Cue "Power of Love" by Huey Lewis and the News.
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